Interview with Army's Defensive Coordinator's

During the 2011 season Army's defense was undersized even by academy standards and the result was disastrous. ArmySports.com's Jim Lawler spoke with USMA co-defensive coordinators Payam Saadat and Chris Smeland about progress made by the defense during recently completed spring drills. Look inside to see what this pair of defensive coaches had to say.

ArmySports.com spoke with co-defensive coordinators Payam Saadat and Chris Smeland recently. Saadat and Smeland enter this season trying to build a defense that was over-matched at times last fall. They had done a nice job in their first two seasons at West Point molding the talent they inherited into an effective unit that ranked 29th (2009) and 16th (2010) in the nation in total defense. Last season the upperclassmen defensive cupboard they inherited from Stan Brock's recruiting classes was rather bare. Army was forced to play underclassmen and a record number of freshmen for a Black Knight team. The Black Knights finished 43rd in the nation in total defense but in reality they weren't even close to being that good. Team defense is based on yardage. The Army offense led the nation in turnovers and the defense's opponents often faced a short field. The Black Knights finished ranked 100th in the nation in run defense and 98th in passing efficiency which are more reflective of their true season long struggles.

Coach Saadat felt last year was, "a little bit of the perfect storm of a lot of things that happened both on and off the field. It created a situation where we had to play some guys that were inexperienced, were young, and it created a very steep learning curve for us that didn't allow us to succeed." Smeland, who runs the back six defenders in the flex, feels the absence of leadership with the graduation of Mike linebacker Stephen Anderson, was a major factor in their struggles last fall. The youth in the secondary, after losing three seniors (Travis, Dixon, Trimble) and two others (Antuan Aaron, Richard King) made the secondary very inexperienced. As a result Smeland says, "We ended up behind the eight ball a little bit in the back row."

I asked Saadat about the alignment on the interior of the defensive line much of last season. Traditionally in the double eagle flex the nose guard is offset from the center and covers both A-gaps while the other tackle plays a three technique. With A.J. Mackey unable to effectively play two-gap at nose tackle (in my opinion) last fall, I asked about the defensive tackles playing more over the guards last year. Saadat said, "The unique thing about our defense is the fact that we can jump into a variety of different looks up front. The end results are the same. The gaps get canceled, the ball goes East and West rather than North and South and it allows guys to play faster and penetrate. That's something about our defense that our fans will understand about how we are structured and what it allows us to do." Saadat continued, "The second part of your question is valid. It is driven about what our guys do best. How can we make them the most successful, the most disruptive towards our opponent? It is determined by what our players do best and what we think our opponents will have the hardest time with."

After spring practice Saadat likes the fact that the underclassmen who are coming back have more experience, a greater understanding of the defensive scheme and the leadership void is starting to be filled. In this defense Saadat firmly believes everything starts up front with the defensive front generating pressure. The coaches felt the defensive line made some strides this spring. He thinks the players also realize they have come a long way since their struggles last fall. Coach Smeland thinks the playing time a number of players received will improve the competition and likewise the quality of their play in the secondary, rover and linebacker.

Saadat agrees with Smeland that competition is the key up front. He says that there is a core of players in the mix for starting jobs. He names them as senior quick end Zach Watts, junior defensive tackle Bobby Kough, sophomore defensive tackle Richard Glover, Holt Zalneraitis, who played tackle last year but played defensive end this spring, flex lineman Jacob Drozd and defensive end Corey Watts. Saadat states firmly that playing time will be earned and they're not going to designate eleven players as starters right now. He believes that there will be players both from the prep school and direct that are joining the program that can impact the depth chart as freshmen. Everyone was made to understand according to both coaches that they have to compete for their job.

I asked about sophomore Jacob Drozd who played as a 'flex' player who has been used at whip linebacker this spring. Jacob played defensive tackle last year. The flex players can play at either whip linebacker or at bandit tackle with their hand on the ground. Coach Saadat commented, "We're going to utilize his ability, his experience from having his hand down from last year, but also bring back some skill set he had at the prep school from playing on the edge at defensive line. What we are going to try to use Jacob in a variety of different ways because he is a very athletic, explosive kid. He ran down one of our faster guys in the spring game. There are a lot of quarterbacks that are running quarterbacks now. It's nice to have more than one player that can eyeball him [the QB] and run him down. That's how we see Jacob. He can do a couple of different things from a few different positions."

Geoff Bacon returns at Mike linebacker and they think he will be even better more consistent this fall.

In discussing the Mackey brothers they expect Jarrett Mackey to return and play either quick end or whip linebacker. They are currently happy with the play of Zach Watts and Holt Zalneraitis. When Jarrett returns, Saadat says, "if the worst problem we have is the fact that we have three guys that should be field and we're trying to decide how to do that, I much rather have that than, what we went through last year, when we were searching for an answer and couldn't put the pieces of the puzzle together." His brother, A.J. Mackey's, career with the Black Knights may be over. A.J. has been separated from the team before spring practice and he's no longer on the roster. A.J. still attends the academy but when I asked about his status I was told by Saadat he couldn't comment on it and referred me to head coach Rich Ellerson.

Smeland states that there are two candidates to replace last year's captain Steve Erzringer at rover. The two players are Justin Trimble and Thomas Holloway who's been moved from free safety. At field cornerback senior Josh Jackson had a good spring and is expected to be the starter for his third straight year. Behind him is sophomore Marques Avery who has 10.7 speed in the 100 meters but hasn't been able to stay healthy the last two years. Avery has a tremendous skill set but he injured his shoulder in his second game at USMAPS in 2010 and then hurt the other shoulder last summer causing him to miss his plebe year. Seniors Waverly Washington and Justin Allen are also in the mix for backup roles at both cornerback spots.

Junior Tyler Dickson has been moved from free safety to starting boundary cornerback. Smeland likes Dickson's hitting ability there over last year's starter Lamar Johnson-Harris. Johnson-Harris has been moved to field cornerback but missed time this spring with an injury and has fallen behind others previously mentioned. At strong safety sophomore Hayden Pierce returns as starter but junior Lyle Beloney has improved this spring according to Smeland. At free safety senior Ty Shrader had a great spring practice and is ahead currently over fellow senior Kyler Martin. Again, Smeland emphasized that these are very competitive position battles with no one guaranteed a starting spot.

Both coaches are very pleased with the quality of the recruiting the last few years. Unlike the offense, where Stan Brock recruited current starters like Trent Steelman, Frank Allen and Malcolm Brown that have had success, the defense lacks senior depth, Saadat believes that this year, like last fall, we will see some plebes and a handful of direct players compete for spots as plebes on the depth chart. The defense at the United States Military Academy Prep School was very good and has a number of players that can make an impact.

ArmySports.com will discuss these prep and direct players on our Incoming feature after R-day. Look for our in post spring practice depth chart reviews and analysis coming over the next few weeks.

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Coach Saadat felt last year was, \"a little bit of the perfect storm of a lot of things that happened both on and off the field. It created a situation where we had to play some guys that were inexperienced, were young, and it created a very steep learning curve for us that didn't allow us to succeed.\" Smeland, who runs the back six defenders in the flex, feels the absence of leadership with the graduation of Mike linebacker Stephen Anderson, was a major factor in their struggles last fall. The youth in the secondary, after losing three seniors (Travis, Dixon, Trimble) and two others (Antuan Aaron, Richard King) made the secondary very inexperienced. As a result Smeland says, \"We ended up behind the eight ball a little bit in the back row.\"

I asked Saadat about the alignment on the interior of the defensive line much of last season. Traditionally in the double eagle flex the nose guard is offset from the center and covers both A-gaps while the other tackle plays a three technique. With A.J. Mackey unable to effectively play two-gap at nose tackle (in my opinion) last fall, I asked about the defensive tackles playing more over the guards last year. Saadat said, \"The unique thing about our defense is the fact that we can jump into a variety of different looks up front. The end results are the same. The gaps get canceled, the ball goes East and West rather than North and South and it allows guys to play faster and penetrate. That's something about our defense that our fans will understand about how we are structured and what it allows us to do.\" Saadat continued, \"The second part of your question is valid. It is driven about what our guys do best. How can we make them the most successful, the most disruptive towards our opponent? It is determined by what our players do best and what we think our opponents will have the hardest time with.\"

After spring practice Saadat likes the fact that the underclassmen who are coming back have more experience, a greater understanding of the defensive scheme and the leadership void is starting to be filled. In this defense Saadat firmly believes everything starts up front with the defensive front generating pressure. The coaches felt the defensive line made some strides this spring. He thinks the players also realize they have come a long way since their struggles last fall. Coach Smeland thinks the playing time a number of players received will improve the competition and likewise the quality of their play in the secondary, rover and linebacker.

Saadat agrees with Smeland that competition is the key up front. He says that there is a core of players in the mix for starting jobs. He names them as senior quick end Zach Watts, junior defensive tackle Bobby Kough, sophomore defensive tackle Richard Glover, Holt Zalneraitis, who played tackle last year but played defensive end this spring, flex lineman Jacob Drozd and defensive end Corey Watts. Saadat states firmly that playing time will be earned and they're not going to designate eleven players as starters right now. He believes that there will be players both from the prep school and direct that are joining the program that can impact the depth chart as freshmen. Everyone was made to understand according to both coaches that they have to compete for their job.

I asked about sophomore Jacob Drozd who played as a 'flex' player who has been used at whip linebacker this spring. Jacob played defensive tackle last year. The flex players can play at either whip linebacker or at bandit tackle with their hand on the ground. Coach Saadat commented, \"We're going to utilize his ability, his experience from having his hand down from last year, but also bring back some skill set he had at the prep school from playing on the edge at defensive line. What we are going to try to use Jacob in a variety of different ways because he is a very athletic, explosive kid. He ran down one of our faster guys in the spring game. There are a lot of quarterbacks that are running quarterbacks now. It's nice to have more than one player that can eyeball him [the QB] and run him down. That's how we see Jacob. He can do a couple of different things from a few different positions.\"

Geoff Bacon returns at Mike linebacker and they think he will be even better more consistent this fall.

In discussing the Mackey brothers they expect Jarrett Mackey to return and play either quick end or whip linebacker. They are currently happy with the play of Zach Watts and Holt Zalneraitis. When Jarrett returns, Saadat says, \"if the worst problem we have is the fact that we have three guys that should be field and we're trying to decide how to do that, I much rather have that than, what we went through last year, when we were searching for an answer and couldn't put the pieces of the puzzle together.\" His brother, A.J. Mackey's, career with the Black Knights may be over. A.J. has been separated from the team before spring practice and he's no longer on the roster. A.J. still attends the academy but when I asked about his status I was told by Saadat he couldn't comment on it and referred me to head coach Rich Ellerson.

Smeland states that there are two candidates to replace last year's captain Steve Erzringer at rover. The two players are Justin Trimble and Thomas Holloway who's been moved from free safety. At field cornerback senior Josh Jackson had a good spring and is expected to be the starter for his third straight year. Behind him is sophomore Marques Avery who has 10.7 speed in the 100 meters but hasn't been able to stay healthy the last two years. Avery has a tremendous skill set but he injured his shoulder in his second game at USMAPS in 2010 and then hurt the other shoulder last summer causing him to miss his plebe year. Seniors Waverly Washington and Justin Allen are also in the mix for backup roles at both cornerback spots.

Junior Tyler Dickson has been moved from free safety to starting boundary cornerback. Smeland likes Dickson's hitting ability there over last year's starter Lamar Johnson-Harris. Johnson-Harris has been moved to field cornerback but missed time this spring with an injury and has fallen behind others previously mentioned. At strong safety sophomore Hayden Pierce returns as starter but junior Lyle Beloney has improved this spring according to Smeland. At free safety senior Ty Shrader had a great spring practice and is ahead currently over fellow senior Kyler Martin. Again, Smeland emphasized that these are very competitive position battles with no one guaranteed a starting spot.

Both coaches are very pleased with the quality of the recruiting the last few years. Unlike the offense, where Stan Brock recruited current starters like Trent Steelman, Frank Allen and Malcolm Brown that have had success, the defense lacks senior depth, Saadat believes that this year, like last fall, we will see some plebes and a handful of direct players compete for spots as plebes on the depth chart. The defense at the United States Military Academy Prep School was very good and has a number of players that can make an impact.

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