Lynn Dickey looked the part in his day - 6-foot-4, 213 pounds - like Josh Freeman fits the mold today - 6-6, 250.
Go ahead and argue about the best overall quarterback in Kansas State history, but the record book clearly defines Freeman and Dickey as the most prolific Wildcat passers.
In his 25-game career, Freeman has passed for 6,408 yards with 533 completions. As a starter he's 12-12.
Dickey's 1968-1970 career numbered 31 games. With a 15-16 record, he passed for 6,208 yards with 514 completions. His 994 attempts are still 82 more than Freeman.
Freeman, No. 1, has 36 touchdown passes, one short of the school record; Dickey, No. 11, threw for 29 scores.
On slipping to No. 2 on some of the all-time charts, the 59-year-old Dickey said, "I had no clue that they were still records. After nearly 40 years, I figured someone would have claimed them several years ago."
Laughing at the thought of being bothered by being replaced by Freeman, Dickey, the first-team QB on the all-time Big 8 team, "No, I'm sleeping very well. I haven't given it a thought."
And for that matter, neither has Freeman, who is only kept up to date on his statistical climb to the top by the media.
"I don't get into those things," said the Wildcat junior. "It's good to have records, but that's not my main focus right now. After the season I might take a look back at what I did, but right now I could care less."
Just like he could care less about still having passing records at Grandview High School.
"I'm sure I have some, but I have no ideas what they are," said the Wildcat junior.
The two quarterbacks say they've met, but that's about all. Freeman and KSU backup quarterback Carson Coffman are friends, and so are Dickey and Coffman's father, Paul, another former Wildcat.
"He seems like a nice young man, but really all we've said is hello," Dickey said of meeting Freeman.
What Dickey has seen on the field, however, has left him very impressed.
"He's out of a mold a little better than most anyone out there in terms of height, weight and arm strength," Dickey said. "He also has more mobility than people first thought. He has the whole package."
Dickey added, "If you look around the country, would you rather have Tim Tebow (Florida's 2007 Heisman Trophy winner) than Josh? I wouldn't say that at all."
Freeman is completing passes at a 65 percent clip, while Dickey was a 50 percent passer. "Playing in a spread offense with all those quick reads would have been fun," Dickey said. "With Vince (coach Gibson), we threw the ball down the field more. On most possessions, we'd throw it down the field at least once, so our percentage wasn't always real high. There weren't many five-yard passes where a receiver would try to weasel out of a tackle and gain 20 yards."
Dickey's favorite receiver was the 5-7, 175-pound Mack Herron, who had the speed (9.4 in the 100) to win the Kansas Relays and the national junior college track meet in the 100-yard-dash.
"Mack was the best player I ever played with at any level," said Dickey. "That's at any level. "He was a dynamic player. He had the speed, balance, hands and strength, and his size made his talents even more incredible," said Dickey, who passed for 23,000-yards during a 15-year professional career.
"I played with James Loftin (Green Bay) and Charlie Joiner (Houston) in the NFL, but Mack was the best."
While Freeman was on the field as an 18-year-old true-freshman, Dickey played in the era where freshmen were not eligible.
Would the Osawatomie High School product have been ready?
"That was a long time ago, but I can't imagine that I would have been ready," said Dickey. "What I learned that first year were basic drops and proper foot work. But really, the freshmen were just hamburger for the varsity. I was a quarterback, but Vince had me butting heads with offensive linemen. He didn't want anyone missing contact."
Oh, could Freeman see himself in the Joe Namath-type white shoes that Dickey played in? "No, that wouldn't be me," Freeman said.