Talk about Drew Weatherford: Boy, I tell you that's something. A freshman playing like he's playing. It's just hard for me to believe. You know that little pass he threw back and got intercepted? That's the kind of play you expect a freshman to make. It wasn't a wise choice to run to your right and throw back to your left. You see a guy there but you don't see these other guys coming. That's a typical freshman mistake. But the few that he's made, he's made up for them by making a great play. He's done that all year.
You're down 10 points and then six points and both times he's got to make throws to get you back in it: Yeah. Thank goodness for Ernie – there is a case of a defense making a great play that set you up with a touchdown. Now the rest of them, the offense made driving a long ways for it. That's really an improvement there.
Have you noticed that he doesn't seem to make the same mistake twice? I think that's probably true. I haven't checked his mistakes to see if he's duplicating them, but I don't remember him doing it. He learns good. He follows Daryl's teachings pretty good as far as reading his coverages. Last night, he dumped off twice. Looked out there and couldn't find anybody open and here comes [Chris Davis] coming across the middle. First down. A lot of them can't do that. They'll get glued on down field and there will be seven guys down there and throw it right there to them. And our offensive line, they did a good job of protecting him. People use different kinds of blitzes on us. They'll overload here or overload there and they'll do this or that. Our offensive line is like putting a puzzle together picking those guys up. I think they got one sack last night. They have done a good job.
The other thing that was encouraging to me was when Ernie Sims intercepted that pass that we ran the ball every down to score. You don't want to throw. You've got the game won and you don't want to make a mistake. If you don't make a mistake and get on in there and make some points – even a field goal – it will make them have to score a touchdown to beat you. So just to take the ball and run it in there for a touchdown was encouraging to me.
John Frady didn't play the whole second half. Talk about how Cornelius Lewis played: Cornelius Lewis -- in his first year, Jackie Claude was ahead of Lewis so we played Claude as a freshman. We had to have somebody and we redshirted Lewis. So spring training came along and Claude was way ahead of Lewis. Then Lewis began to make progress right at the end. He really showed some promise and you really began to feel a whole lot better about him. So ever since that time he's just gotten better and better and better.
What is it that you like about this zone-blocking scheme? What is it that makes it attractive to you? It's not so much the scheme we're using that is different than last year. We're using more zone blocking, but we've used zone blocking ever since Charlie Ward was here. The year Charlie started for us as a junior, we tried going to zone blocking all the way. But we couldn't get our running game going so we went back to assignment football – you've got him, you've got him, you've got him and so on. We've used zone throughout the years but haven't featured it. Now we're featuring it and they're beginning to get more familiar with it. The main thing is not missing a lot of assignments.
Why did everybody go to zone blocking? That's easy. If I had a blackboard, I could really answer that one. When you play assignment football you say, 'You've got him and you've got him and you've got him.' So we've got a bonnet on everybody. Now when the ball is snapped, I've got him but he takes off over there. Now I've got to pick somebody else up. He screened me off and I can't get to my man. If they would sit there the whole time, you wouldn't need zone blocking. If they'd stay right where you line up, you wouldn't need zone blocking. Twists and stunts hurt assignment football. You go to zone, everybody just blocks. I block that area and whoever happens to be there is who I'm going to get. So when they twist, they twist right into your block if you do it correctly. If you don't do it correctly and you step the wrong way, someone is free. Or if you step too far away, someone is free. So you have to get your timing down and you have to do it over and over and over. We'll probably be much better at it next year and the next year than we are right now. We're still learning it.
Is there any relationship to how basketball teams use zones to cover up deficiencies? Can teams use that scheme when maybe they don't have the great athletes? Possibly. Probably. Zone is like pass defense. In pass defense, you use zone and you use man. When you play zone, you sit in an area and you try to take whoever comes in there. In man, you've got that guy wherever he goes. So there would be similarities in zone pass coverage and zone blocking and so forth.
It seemed like every time you went to that three-man front in pass defense they ate your lunch: I hadn't looked at that statistically.
What's the strategy behind that three-man front? It's usually a third-down defense. Third and long. People are doing it on us, too. Everybody is going to that. The pros and everybody. You get more flexibility out of your linebackers. Who are your best athletes? Four down linemen and three linebackers? Or three down linemen and four linebackers? We're a lot more flexible with four linebackers. That's what a lot of teams are doing. Plus, these [linemen] are a lot harder to find. There aren't a lot of these great linemen. So if you've got a lot of great linebackers, use them. That's what everybody is doing. The pros are the same way. We had pro scouts visiting us last week and they were talking about how [linemen] are hard to find. A lot of people are going to three-man fronts because you get more flexibility. But all you have to do is step one of them up and you've got a four-man front. Step him up, step him up, step him up and step him up and you don't know where they are coming from. That's why everybody is doing it. What should have happened yesterday – and I don't know if it did – but our pass coverage should have been better out of the three-man front. But you don't get as good a rush. In a four-man front, you should get a better rush but you won't have as good a coverage because you don't have as many people back there. Now I don't know how that was working yesterday. It might not have been that way. They might have been doing better against that three-man front. Mickey knows.
It's been a while since Ernie Sims has had a game like that: We needed that. A lot of people haven't been directing a lot of stuff at him. Ernie's about half linebacker and half defensive back the way he's put together. He's just a very good athlete who can run. He's got good speed. He could probably play strong safety for you. A lot of times, he'll get coverage on your best inside receiver. Their tight end was a great tight end, by the way. He's probably the first guy taken in the draft as a tight end, I would think. The guy has great speed and size and he's physical and everything else. So they gave Ernie a lot of coverage on him the other night. He didn't have him on that one play. We might have been in zone.
Your corners haven't gotten an interception this year and now you've got injuries there: We've got work to do down there. Dadgumit, they got those long passes. We used to not give those things up.
Have you heard anything on Tony Carter? I haven't heard yet. I saw him after the game and he had it pretty wrapped up.
Some of your assistant coaches said they thought this would be one of the toughest tests of the year with their offense: Well, we thought it would be the best offense we've seen this year going into that game. Ralph Friedgen is really a brilliant offensive man. He was in the pros with Bobby Ross and I think he was his offensive coordinator. Then he was with Georgia Tech and gave us fits when he was the offensive coordinator. One of the biggest things he does, which most schools won't do – Southern Cal won't do it – is run the option. Most people that feature the pass will not run the option. You really have to work on the option plus you have to expose your quarterback to blows. But they run that option and they run a good option. We defense that option pretty good. When you see them run that option a couple of times, somebody gets the dive. Somebody gets the quarterback. Somebody gets the pitch. And if somebody doesn't do it, it's straight to the goal line. We stopped that pretty good, but that makes you stop doing so many things that you like to do. Half your blitzes, it knocks them out. Because if you play man-to-man and they run the option and that quarterback is coming down the line and everybody has their backs turned to him, he runs a long ways. So we did a good job of stopping the option but so many other things open up. And then No. 44 [Maryland tailback Lance Ball], the coaches told me last week – Mickey and them said the guy they are afraid of is No. 44. He hasn't been a starter, but they said that's the guy we're afraid of because he takes the ball downhill all the time. He did run good.
Is there anything you can point to on the defense the last four weeks? The only thing I can think of – and I don't know – are we substituting too much? You look to see who's chasing these guys and they aren't familiar numbers. Right there at the end last night when we had to hold them, we left our first unit in there. They didn't do too much. I don't know if maybe we don't have to look and see if some of these young guys are not able to make plays that are allowing these teams to get back in the game. That might not be it. But that's the only thing I can see. Just like that touchdown run that Wake Forest nailed us on when they broke that reverse. When it's breaking, I'm sitting there and seeing who's chasing and those aren't the numbers I won't to see out there. (laughing) I'm seeing numbers and I don't know who they are. (laughing) Instead of those first-teamers.
At the end of the game, Mickey said he had three healthy corners. So depth is playing a role: That's right. He played what five or six DBs at the end there.
Before the season, your defense was as big a question mark as the offense wasn't it? There's this myth out there that you had this great defense coming back, but you had some concerns there didn't you? You are exactly right. We did so well the first three games that people said, 'Boy, they are loaded on defense.' But I had the same feeling. I saw our offense only had five guys coming back. Look over there at defense and they ain't got but five. I think a lot of that was assumed after we did so darn good early. Like any season, as the season progresses you begin to expose yourself to your opponents. They begin to say, ‘Uh-oh, here's a guy we can work on. Here's a guy we can work on.' We do the same thing. We spot things on them and they spot things on us. To me, they are doing a lot better than I would have expected before the season. But it's not like they were 11 veterans out there. Who had nine returning starters against us? Miami had nine or 10 returning defensive starters. That's a veteran defensive football team.
What's your biggest surprise of the season? Probably the two biggest have been your quarterback and No. 89 [Greg Carr]. That's the two biggest surprises. You didn't know what you had at quarterback. You knew you had talent, but you had talent that had never been exposed to I-A football. That has been the biggest surprise. And then Carr.
When did you decide he could do it? He didn't play in the first game: Well, in the spring he began to make plays but we've had spring-time wonders before. We've had guys have great springs and in the fall it didn't happen. He began to make things happen once he started playing. Was it The Citadel when he caught his first one? He's just earned more playing time.
With him, is it a case of where you have to wait for the right situation? Well, yes. Other teams are aware of him, too. A lot of times they will double him. They'll line up with four-deep back there and he's over here. They'll have a corner, safety, safety and corner. And when that ball is snapped, they'll have the corner come here and take it short and then the safety rolls up behind him and takes away the short-deep. You might get him coming across [the middle]. Now, when they do that it leaves someone else vulnerable. You can't roll up on everybody. You might be able to roll up on two people, but you've got four wideouts so somebody has to be free. Now your quarterback has to find that guy. That's where our quarterbacks have done a good job of finding that guy. Now you're not going to see a whole lot of single coverage on Carr, I don't think.
Maryland did leave him in single coverage late in the game, didn't they? Well, once you get down in the red zone they have to start bringing more pressure which forces some one-on-ones. That's why we start throwing to him down the sidelines on one-on-ones. We got two penalties off that. About the only way to get him is push him out of bounds, which is illegal.
If they call it, right? (laughing) That's right. Maryland does a great job on that. We figured that out last year. They are very tough on that.
Carr caught that four-yard touchdown and then a two-point conversion earlier in the year. Is he just as dangerous down close? Well, he has been. He caught a long one yesterday, too.
You seem to like Joslin Shaw a lot. When he came in the interview room last night, you singled him out: Well, here's a guy who wasn't in our plans early in the year. Shaw was a running back in high school. We wanted another receiver that year and we said let's just sign him as a receiver because we couldn't find what we were looking for in a receiver. So we brought him in there not knowing how well he could catch the ball. And he struggled catching the ball. He'd catch one, drop one, catch one, drop one, catch one, drop one. It didn't look like it would work. We considered moving him to corner. We considered moving him back to running back. But he stayed out there and this year he began to break through. I was watching him in practice and it didn't look like he was dropping balls. So he's a guy who has earned his way in there. When we play four-wides, he's a starter on our team and he's really done a good job. He's had several key blocks the last two games as well as catching the ball and running with it afterwards. You can see his running ability after he catches the ball. He's made a couple of nice little runs. He's earned his way up in to the rotation.
After the game, you said this was one of your top wins in terms of being excited. It seems like there is more of a sense of accomplishment after winning a game in this league than there ever has been: No doubt about it. The thing that impressed me yesterday was Maryland came in here looking like a ballclub. They didn't come in here looking like Maryland did 12 years ago where they weren't a very good looking club. This is a good looking bunch of guys out there. They've got a 6-foot-7, 330-pound offensive lineman over there. Some other big guys. A linebacker that many rate as the best in the country. A good, aggressive secondary. Just a good looking club that played good, you know? And to come back and win that game – you lost to Virginia the same way you won this one. If you played like this at Virginia, you probably win that game. Then we had the same kind of comeback that we had at Boston College. So those kinds of games are probably more gratifying than the ones where you got ahead and stayed ahead.
Is this still a learning process for your players and maybe even your fans? People have to wake up to the fact that the ACC has gotten better. They're learning. Time will make you learn that. This league has gotten pretty tough. You play Maryland and Florida State and that used to be, 'They ain't got a chance. It's Florida State.' Now you see what happens. Like yesterday, they looked about as good as anybody that's come in here. That's kind of the way it is nowadays.
With Weatherford, is there any one thing that surprises you more about him than anything else? Not really. He's just doing everything you want him to do. You know? The big thing is he's not making critical errors. You saw what happened yesterday when he made a critical error. What were his two interceptions? The one where he ran to his right and threw it left. And the other one was that screen where it was bobbled, right? I didn't see that. I hate those kind – those bobbled passes. They always seem to end up in someone else's hands. You have to credit Maryland for out-executing us. If a back can't catch the ball, knock the darn thing down. Don't let it hang up in the air. I don't think you can blame him for that interception, can you? I'll have to see it.
Was that the thing that just drove you crazy the last four years with so many of the same mistakes being made over and over? A lot of it, yes.
Is Drew's learning curve ahead of typical freshmen? His liability is not great. It's very seldom that he makes a mistake. So far.
Wyatt Sexton said he's coming back to practice this week. Have you talked to him about it? I have not talked to him about it. I talked to Daryl about it and Daryl wants to get him out there and get him active. We've got to do everything according to what the doctor says. What they're going to allow him to do, I'm not sure right now.
How good was it to have him back out there? I think it was good. I think it was helpful to the team. I think everybody enjoyed having him back out there and I think everyone enjoyed seeing him out there. What he's got to do is try to wean himself back in there.
He's been around some, hasn't he? Some. He's come out to practice at times. He's probably sat in some meetings at times.
Is he in school? Yes, but I'm not sure if he's taking a full load.
Is Leon Washington okay? He didn't seem to touch the ball a whole lot in the fourth quarter: He hurt his ankle or something. I hadn't talked to him. They said he hurt his ankle in the third quarter. I think he was back in there after that, but Booker was in there the whole last drive.
Have you seen much of N.C. State? I haven't looked at one play on them yet.
Did you see them on TV earlier in the year? I saw them against Clemson. I saw that. I know this – they had the No. 1 defense in the nation last year. And then this year a lot of that defense is back and they must be playing pretty good defensively right now. A lot of it this time of the year it boils down to who have you got hurt.
Have you been talking to Chuck each week? I have been.
What has he told you about the problems they're having this year? Just not making the plays they've got to make. They're stopping people pretty good. I think when they played Virginia Tech that Virginia Tech didn't get much yardage on them. I don't think. They probably intercepted a pass and went for a touchdown. He lost two weeks ago and I think he was winning and they threw two interceptions for touchdowns. I think that's what happened.
Has he talked to you about the heat he's been catching this year? A little bit.
How tough is it? A couple of years ago, he was the hot new coach but when you lose a couple of games it seems to snowball for a coach. Is that how it goes? My answer to that is 'what's new?' That's true everywhere. I'll never forget when I was at West Virginia. Tony Constatine was a writer up in West Virginia and he died last year. He was 97. And he was born on West Virginia football. So when I became the head coach at West Virginia in 1970, Tony would write an editorial every now and then and that's all he did. Tony was probably 70-something by that time. I'll never forget when we got beat up there and ol' Tony said, ‘It's what you've done lately. It's what you have done lately. What you've done in the past? Forget it.' That's the first time I had ever heard that. You win and everybody is happy. Then you lose and everybody turns. It's true everywhere. You just have to accept that as fact. Tommy knows that. When Tommy went into it, he knew that. When Terry went into it, he knew that. When Jeffrey went into it, he knew that. They've seen their daddy go through it. That's part of it.
Chuck's kids have always loved him but he's never seemed to have a real good feel on how to deal with the media. That's the area where he's been killed because it doesn't seem like he's built much goodwill up there. Those writers are killing him up there: No comment. (laughing) No comment.
Doesn't it illustrate the importance of the quarterback, though? He had Philip Rivers and they were riding high. You guys have a new quarterback and the same offensive coaching staff for the most part: Does that show you how important the quarterback is? Hey, look at the people who are winning right now. Look at that great quarterback Texas has. Look at that great quarterback Southern Cal has got. Look at that great quarterback that Virginia Tech has got. Boy, they are valuable. They are so valuable.
You mentioned that Ernie is half defensive back. You lose both your safeties next year. Would you consider playing him at safety? I doubt it because he probably plays better closer to the line of scrimmage. He's so valuable blitzing and picking up those short guys in the flat and all that. You'd hate to give him up there.
Is he likely to be like Michael Boulware who moved to safety in the NFL? No. Uh-uh. I think he'd be like Derrick Brooks. You know, Derrick Brooks came here with the idea of being a safety but he liked going forward. He didn't like backing up. So we said we'll just put you here. This guy is very much the same way. I don't think he'd like back-pedaling. He wants to get up there and go after that ball. If you had him back there, he'd get in trouble all the time.
Willie Reid and Chris Davis are two players whose careers have been limited by injuries until now. How satisfying is it to see these guys on the field and making these kinds of plays? When you sign them, you see that. You say, ‘This potential here is what we're looking for.' Then they get here and they get a shoulder knocked out. Then they get an ankle sprain. Then they get a knee hurt. And you just get nothing out of them. All of the sudden, they are injury free. Now they are beginning to do the things you saw in high school that you were hoping they would do. That is really encouraging. We've had that happen so many times. One of the greatest examples is Corey Simon. We signed Corey Simon and everybody was after Corey. He was probably one of the hottest defensive line prospects in the country. He comes in here and hurts – I don't remember what he hurt. Maybe it was his knee. So we redshirt him. Next year, he hurts his shoulder. So he doesn't do anything. Now he's finally a redshirt sophomore and he's ready to do something and he hurts his shoulder again. So he's been here three years and nothing's happened. So his next year, he starts off as the second-team defensive tackle. We're playing Texas A&M up there in the Meadowlands and [Larry] Smith gets hurt about the fourth play. Corey goes in and leads our team in tackles. He's kind of our most valuable player. When Smith comes back, he can't beat him out. He makes first-team All-American without our recommendations. Who expects to make first-team All-American without starting? He makes All-American the next two years and he has a great career. But for three years, you're thinking this poor kid will never be able to play.
Were you worried with Willie Reid that he might not get to show you what he had? You remember his first year we tried to run him at tailback and wide receiver. We got hurt at tailback and we moved him there and he did pretty dog-gone good. And then against Miami that year when they beat us so bad in the rain, he made a great leaping catch for a touchdown. They had some great corners, too. That showed you his determination. Then he gets hurt again. This year, he's stayed healthy. Boy, he's very important to us.
You're still having problems with penalties: We had, what, nine yesterday? How many did they have?
Four: They're just better coaches than we are. That's all I can say.
Is Fred Rouse going to see the field again this year? Yeah, if we can work it out. It was one of those games where you just couldn't get people in the game. Like Antone, we put him in there and nothing really happened. We just felt like it was too tight a ballgame.
Rouse isn't in the doghouse? No, he's not in the doghouse. We just got behind.
Will you get De'Cody Fagg back this week? Could be, but I'm not sure.
You can clinch your division this week with a win. Safe to assume you'd rather do it this week at home than have to go to Clemson and do it? No doubt about it. No doubt about it. You better get it done on your field. You don't know what will happen on that other field. This is a big game this week.
With these injuries you've got, do you look at these last three games as survival? That's what happens. One reason I've never liked the playoffs and some coaches may feel this way, too. Football is survival of the fittest. It's a game where injuries are prevalent. You start off in good shape and then you start getting guys hurt. When you get down to the end, it's kind of not who has the best club but who has anybody left? Who has anybody left standing? We've got three more games and two in the conference. You just hope you don't get any more hurt. But the other teams are hoping the same thing. Again, you get in a playoff system and you have to play four more games. Sometimes the best teams don't win because everybody is hurt.
Does not having a playoff system hurt a team like Georgia, who didn't have their starting quarterback yesterday? True. That's the other side of the coin.
Does survival seem more prevalent because the ACC is as strong as it is? I think so. I think there is more risk now in our conference than there has ever been.
With the 12-game schedule, would you rather play another league game or another non-league game? I'd rather play four non-conference games.
So you can get a guaranteed win in there? Well, you need to bring someone in that you'll be favored over. You need to bring somebody in that you'll be heavily favored over. (laughing) That ain't Alabama.
That hasn't always been your philosophy, has it? I think with our background of an independent, you think of money games. In a conference, you don't have to do that as much.
How well have you gotten to know Carr? What can you tell us about him? He seems like the most dangerous player on your offense right now? Yeah, if I was trying to stop Florida State one of the first things I'd look at is see what they are going to do with that No. 89. Where is he going to play? What do we have to take away from him? I remember recruiting to him and going down to his home one Sunday afternoon and there were a million people in his living room. Aunts, uncles, neighbors – everybody. Just wonderful people. He is very quiet. Doesn't say a lot. Very polite. One of those ‘yes sir, no sir' guys. It's not like it goes to his head. He's very humble. Gosh, he's so athletic. The catches he makes – that long catch he made, the guy is just nipping at his feet and he's about to fall and he still concentrates on the ball and makes the catch.
Can you talk about the growing confidence your team seems to have in Weatherford? That comes with time and it also comes with success. It comes with his teammates seeing him take some licks and taking some punishment and not withering and not griping and not pointing fingers. He's doing a marvelous job of that and they have responded by protecting him the best they can. The kids on both sides of the ball have commented on the play of the quarterback.
You said earlier in the year that he had big eyes – or you said something similar about him being very eager: It's very noticeable. The thing I've noticed when I'm up there in my tower is there might be a group of 50 of them over here and when they're supposed to go over there then he's first. He ain't the fastest guy out there but he's first. When I blow the whistle to call them together, he's right there. It's just his nature to be front row, looking you in the eyes. He just does that.
You probably have to be that way in a family as big as his: (laughing) What's he got, eight brothers? Last night after the game, there was a prospect there from his home. I can't talk about prospects. And I said, ‘Who's your buddy here?' He said, ‘This is Drew's brother.' I've eaten supper with them before but there's eight of them and I can't memorize them all. (laughing) I can tell you what I ate. I can tell you what it tasted like. (laughing) So anyway, I shook his hand and said, ‘Who is this?' This is his other brother. (laughing) ‘I remember you?' Now, who is this? ‘This is his other brother.' (laughing) Three of them.
You could end up with 8-10 years of Weatherfords at quarterback? I know it. Isn't that something? There is such a heritage of quarterback in their family. His daddy played at SMU and his grand-daddy played at SMU.
When your former quarterback was a freshman, you used the term "natural born leader." What's the difference? Is Drew more of a guy that people follow? I think you have to earn it. I think you have to earn it. I think Drew has earned it up to this point. He'd have to fall apart to lose it at this point. But the kids believe in him. I can tell the way they are talking to y'all. They believe in him.
What does this mean for Xavier? Xavier has plenty of time if he remains patient. You can see potential all over Xavier. I just wish we could get him in games more. We'll continue to try. If we could ever hold on to a 14-point lead, we can get more of these guys in the darn game. You've got a 14-point lead and you're wanting to sub and next thing you know you are behind 17-14 or 21-14. So in a game that tight, you can't try a guy out. You just hope he plays his role and be ready to go. I remember when we had Casey and Brad and Casey got hurt against LSU and Brad started the next game against Lousiville. Brad had a great game and we won. Then Casey came back. You have to have that, kind of like a bullpen. When you go through a year, that guy is liable to go down at any time. Lee will continue to compete and with that athletic ability you don't know what's going to happen.
Can you see him being the same as Drew is now? I can see him eventually doing the same thing. Some develop quicker than others. That's true all the way down the line. But the thing is you see the potential that Lee has.
On that touchdown run, it seems like he has that ability to run. Do you have to encourage them to run when it's open? Daryl doesn't like them running. He doesn't encourage the running at all. What will happen is when they get back there to pass, if they get any heat they just take off. Well, we might have a guy who is just about to break open. He wants them to sit in there until the last moment and this guy will do it. This guy will sit there and take a shot to get that ball off. Some quarterbacks will run at the drop of the hat. Say the play hasn't even developed yet and he's taking off. Daryl wants them back there and looking everything over and then throwing it away if nothing breaks open. But you do want them running at the right time. If a great opportunity presents itself like yesterday, you sure hope they spot it and take advantage of it.
With Graham Gano handling kickoffs, did you get what you hoped for there? Well, I think the more he does it he'll get more confidence and start kicking it out more. They are so intent on kicking the ball right where they want it. We give them a spot and say we want the ball right there. We give them an area about this size and they try to get in that area. They get so intent on that that they hook it or put it over yonder or hit a bad kick. He got some good experience. We'll see if he develops. Remember, he's right out of high school. I'll never forget when Bentley came in from Denver and kicked for the first time. He'd already been on the cover of Sports Illustrated as our savior because we'd missed so many field goals against Miami. The first game he kicks off against Kansas he nearly whiffed it. You'd have thought it was an on-sides kick. But that's a freshman for you. I'm sure Gano went through some of that. But, boy, we've got to get better in that area.