Helwagen Chat: Sept. 19 Archive

Get ready for today's game with Bowling Green by reading excerpts from Friday's Chat session with Bucknuts.com managing editor Steve Helwagen. He conducts these Chat sessions each week for Bucknuts.com subscribers.

Here are excerpts from Friday's Chat session for Bucknuts.com subscribers with managing editor Steve Helwagen. Steve and Gary Housteau conduct these Chat sessions each week for subscribers.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:00:01 PM)
Hey guys, late arriving crowd today, apparently!

sandtraps (Sep 19, 2003 1:00:31 PM)
Too busy looking at Mo Sue tOSU

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:01:13 PM)
Wow, how about that? I guess this just came down (or out) today. What a mess. I'm sure Geiger and everybody at OSU will go back into silent running now with litigation pending.

sandtraps (Sep 19, 2003 1:01:36 PM)
safe bet

bucknut13 (Sep 19, 2003 1:02:01 PM)
So can we presume that he won't be back next year now?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:02:51 PM)
No, I don't think we can assume anything. Only his attorneys know what the rationale is for this lawsuit. Is it to gain information to help their cause with the NCAA or NFL? I don't know.

sandtraps (Sep 19, 2003 1:05:07 PM)
Falcons look like a real challenge other than the #1 offense what do they run/ not an option like last week

hammer59 (Sep 19, 2003 1:05:47 PM)
Hey Steve, best of luck on the new gig, and what is your opinion of the OL play so far. Looks like a lot of hype, and not a lot of blocking to me.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:07:07 PM)
They have two nice backs with Pope and Stover to go with the great QB Harris and a nice group of receivers. Let's call a spade a spade, though, they built these nation's best numbers against 2 I-AA teams (E. Kentucky, Liberty). They will do well in the MAC, but let's see where they rank in about five or six weeks. Harris can stand in the pocket and throw, but, like Krenzel, he is dangerous when things break down. They call a lot of runs for him, too. The defense must be on its toes.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:08:39 PM)
hammer59, I agree. They haven't gotten the job done. They have done OK in pass blocking. I only found a pair of coverage sacks. I think, in some respects, they are being asked to do too much (5 guys blocking 7 or 8 isn't going to cut it). OSU misses Branden Joe at fullback, too. They need better play calls and better execution. Krenzel (or the QB) must make better audible calls to get them out of bad plays. Everybody connected is at fault.

worthabuck (Sep 19, 2003 1:10:31 PM)
Steve, do you get any feeling being around the team that they are concerned at all about Mc Mullan starting this week?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:12:02 PM)
worthabuck, no, Ben Hartsock and others are solidly behind Scotty Mac. The guy has put his time in and paid his dues. Anybody who saw spring ball knows he can throw and complete passes and move the chains. He just has never had a real (prolonged) chance to show what he could do. He had a so-so half against Illinois 2 years ago, Krenzel took over and that's all she wrote. I'm glad to see him get his day in the sun. Great kid and I think he will do just fine.

bucknut13 (Sep 19, 2003 1:10:42 PM)
Do you think they finally came to the realization that they need to call plays to fit their players, ie. sweeps for the current RB's we have vs. the RB we had last year who could run up the middle?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:13:53 PM)
bucknut13, I agree, they need to get outside better. The one they did hit for 30 yards, but came back because of the Hamby hold. There are no easy solutions. From rewatching the game, I saw that Clarke was about 50-50 on pull blocks. You aren't going to get any yardage outside, either, if all you have are the WRs blocking for the back. Everybody has speed on defense nowadays.

worthabuck (Sep 19, 2003 1:14:15 PM)
I am hoping that the OL decides that they have to pick it up to protect him, and have one of their better games. Take some of the pressure off of him. I think he will be fine. Although last week I thought we would run through the Wolfpack.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:15:05 PM)
worthabuck, I agree, they need to have their best game yet to protect McMullen. That would really help him if he isn't getting hit all the time.

worthabuck (Sep 19, 2003 1:16:25 PM)
Steve, I know I asked you this last week, but did you happen to find out how Jon Skinner is doing. I saw his team won.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:17:05 PM)
worthabuck, I have tried to reach his coach, but have been unable to. I think they remain unbeaten and, from what I know, he is healthy.

Cali8 (Sep 19, 2003 1:16:37 PM)
Does Clarett's new lawsuit against OSU signal the definitive end of his playing at OSU?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:17:36 PM)
cali8, no, I don't think we can assume anything just because he is suing them. This could go many directions.

irrelevant (Sep 19, 2003 1:17:08 PM)
Your analyzed the penalty situation pretty well. Do you get a sense that the coaching staff is committed to reducing the number of penalties?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:18:59 PM)
irrelevant, thanks, I asked Coach Tucker about the pass interference situation. He said they know they are taking a risk by playing the coverage they do. But they just come back and try and correct what they were doing wrong. I understand a reporter and another assistant had words over some of the late hits on the QB. The coach didn't see it as a problem, I guess. First downs by penalty must not be a big deal for some people.

stemmshady (Sep 19, 2003 1:19:00 PM)
? on the draft. Where do you think Gamble would be taken if he left early? What about Clarett if he does get to enter the draft? Also where to you project Will Smith, Craig Krenzel, Darrion Scott, Will Allen etc.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:20:57 PM)
stemmshady, Gamble would be a mid- first round draft choice, IMHO. He is just able to do too many things to help your football team and he will test off the charts. Clarett would go in the Randy Moss slot (No. 20 or so first round) or later. Smith probably mid-first. Krenzel mid-round (4th to 6th). Scott probably early to mid-first. Allen similar to Doss in late 2nd or so. Just my hunches today.

nat'l champs (Sep 19, 2003 1:19:48 PM)
Do you feel as though the visiting team gets a bunch of home calls when they have an officiating crew from their conference calling the game. Seems like we get called for alot of ticky-tack fouls.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:22:48 PM)
natl champs, I don't know if we can say definitively that the officiating was one-sided. Then again, OSU had 14 flags and 6 or 7 pass interference calls and NCSU had 6 flags and no pass interference penalties with an ACC crew. They did not bias against OSU on judgement calls, just penalties it would seem. Big ten crew will probably accompany OSU to Raleigh next year. It should not be this way. Every game should be called down the middle, but that's unfortunate.

TrueNorth (Sep 19, 2003 1:20:17 PM)
Steve, please clarify. Cali8 states that Clarett is suing OSU. Is this accurate? I'm only aware of Clarett's possible petition to the NFL for early entry.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:24:35 PM)
TrueNorth, Channel 4 in Columbus is reporting on its web site (nbc4columbus.com maybe) that his attorneys have filed a discovery suit to get sworn statements from OSU administrators. Not sure where it's headed because it just came down a few hours ago.

vinniepepperoni (Sep 19, 2003 1:21:06 PM)
Is Brandon Mitchell now winning the battle for the FS spot?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:27:08 PM)
vinniepepperoni, spoke with Coach Tucker yesterday and he didn't list a "leader" per se, he said both would continue to play and both still have things to work on. They're young guys who can run and hit. I think they're both keepers.

irrelevant (Sep 19, 2003 1:21:32 PM)
Offensive line recruiting continues to worry me. Now that Braxton has become a lower priority and Gallimore looks unlikely, what is the backup? Is Ryan Stanchek a possibility?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:28:08 PM)
irrelevant, I think they're still in good shape on Byers and Mitchum. Had not heard anything changed with Gallimore. I guess Ohio guys would come next. Not sure what their list looks like in that regard.

DesertBuckeye (Sep 19, 2003 1:22:45 PM)
How do you see the running back situation shaping up for next year? Can any of the recruits we have currently step up and play D1-A ball next year and be our main guy. I remain unconvinced that Hall or Ross can handle the load. I think of the two, Ross would be the guy, but can't seem to stay healthy long enough to get into form.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:30:00 PM)
DesertBuckeye, I agree, Hall is getting every chance now and isn't getting it done. Ross can't seem to stay healthy. Maybe Erik Haw will help solve this situation. I don't think Guilford is the answer. They need help. Pittman could also figure in. Let's face it, Clarett was a special back in the Smith, George mold. He made everybody around him better.,

topsy (Sep 19, 2003 1:23:17 PM)
Do you see us taking another RB in this class? What about D. Jones from NJ? I heard Tressel contacted him the other day. Do you think he gets an offer?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:31:47 PM)
topsy, yes, if they can get a great one they would take another RB in a heartbeat. You're talking about Dwayne Jones. I think Syracuse and Boston College will also be in that running for him. He goes 6-1, 233 and might help quite a bit.

stemmshady (Sep 19, 2003 1:23:52 PM)
Steve, in all my memories of the buckeyes, this has been the worst we have ever ran the ball. Do you think that this ineffectiveness is due to ineffective backs, ineffective blocking, both, or something else entirely.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:33:05 PM)
stemmshady, on some plays, the backs miss the hole. On other plays, the OL misses a key block or can't hold its position, at leats. And on others, the QB failed to audible out of a bad play or the bench sent in something they flat out weren't capable of executing against that defense. Everybody deserves equal blame.

BuckeyeBK (Sep 19, 2003 1:26:21 PM)
Steve, long-time subscriber to you at BSB, now a subscriber to Bucknuts.. great work and great get in Gary. I have a couple of questions: 1) Do you think this discovery suit erases any shot at Clarett returning to OSU? 2) What does your gut tell you about Hairston, is he going to be a Buckeye in the end?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:34:24 PM)
BuckeyeBK, one, let's not assume anything regarding Clarett's future. Two, I don't like that Hairston is visiting Kansas and may also look at Michigan State. Those are two deep NCAA fixtures. I think he likes O'Brien and LaMonta Stone a lot. But OSU is going to have to work hard to snag him.

nat'l champs (Sep 19, 2003 1:26:51 PM)
Steve, is our OL ineffectiveness due to them not being able to pickup on Coach Bollman's zone blocking scheme? If so, then why not go back to smash mouth and put a hat on a hat?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:36:31 PM)
natil champs, I can't pinpoint what the problem is. In the tape I saw, I saw too many N.C. State guys being turned loose. These guys on defense are too fast to allow so many to be unblocked. Then, when the point of attack gets blown up (which happened too often last week), the unblocked guys come free and make the play.

irrelevant (Sep 19, 2003 1:27:49 PM)
What is your assessment of Jim Bollman. The incompetence of this senior dominated line scares me. How bad will it be next year with much less experience? Also, do we need a real innovative offensive coordinator? Our offensive coaching just doenn't seem to be at the same level as the defensive coaching.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:38:12 PM)
irrelevant, I like Bollman as a line coach. They did a nice job last year, on the whole. I think the second part of the question (coordinator) is where the problem lies. It's really Jim Tressel's offense. He listens to suggestions then calls the play himself. I agree with your last statement.

worthabuck (Sep 19, 2003 1:29:16 PM)
On the penalty issue. Doesn't it seem strange to anyone that NCSt wasn't called for offensive holding, even though our line is so good and they passed 50 times. Seems very hard for me to believe. Rivers did make some three step drops, but come on.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:39:26 PM)
worthabuck, it wasn't strange, it was a bleeping travesty that N.C. State was not called for holding. They were tackling the OSU ends throughout the game. That's what I mean when I say I understand why Smith might get frustrated from time to time. That game was a joke.

polk (Sep 19, 2003 1:32:33 PM)
I heard Kerr, Franziger and Szep are practicing since last week. Is this correct?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:40:26 PM)
polk, I don't honestly know. I have a whole list of limbo guys to ask about (Arden, Chattams, Jordan, Kerr, Szep and others I can't think of) when I get the chance. Maybe on Tuesday.

SmellyCat (Sep 19, 2003 1:33:38 PM)
Steve: What's your assessment of the recruiting need for a QB? Bauserman does not seem likely to ever suit up. Boeckman may be OK but do you think we need a QB in this class and who may be the most likely? any chance we offer Hoyer?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:41:29 PM)
smellycat, not sure why Bauserman won't come here (baseball, I guess). I think they would still be looking. Not sure if they'll go back in on Hoyer. He seems solid on MSU and Smith is a good coach for a QB to play for.

hondo (Sep 19, 2003 1:35:14 PM)
Steve - How do you feel about McMullin if he starts Saturday?

topsy (Sep 19, 2003 1:36:25 PM)
Do you think Troy Smith or Justin Zwick will see any action Saturday?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:42:58 PM)
hondo, I'm OK with McMullen. He is a fifth-year senior. They aren't going to show him anything the OSU defense hasn't shown him a few hundred times in practice. I'm happy he is getting this shot to win a game. Yes, I think Smith and Zwick will both play. It may only be for 1 play here or there (or if it gets out of hand). But I think they will use this opportunity to see what they can do, too.

nevadabuck (Sep 19, 2003 1:36:27 PM)
Steve: Much was made about the leaner, meaner offensive line coming back this year---but despite that, we still seem to be running the same slow developing plays that the old, fatter line used to shackled to(ie..we can't run a sweep because our guys are too slow, or a screen, etc..)----How can this be?? Our offensive mind-trust HAS to see the same things that we do...don't they??

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:43:48 PM)
nevadabuck, yes, if they're watching they have to see the same garbage we're seeing over and over and over again.

SmellyCat (Sep 19, 2003 1:37:44 PM)
Seems like a our screen passes and some running plays are too slow to develop. We are swarmed before the play even starts.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:44:46 PM)
SmellyCat, compare those swing passes to N.C. State, where Rivers was leading those receivers perfectly. OSU's backs have to stop, adjust, catch, then try and move upfield. No gain.

bucks101 (Sep 19, 2003 1:38:30 PM)
Hey all... I am currently living down south here in GA for the last 2 years and all the talk on the sports radio shows here is that OSU should be dropped farther down in the polls and such. They seem to think it is appropriate ... what is the talk back up north about the lack of respect around the country with OSU?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:46:09 PM)
bucks101, I think that's a valid point. I think some poll voters will downgrade this year's team because of last year's "tainted" title (at least in their mind). OSU won't win any beauty pageants to break ties (3 unbeatens or one unbeaten and they're among 3 or 4 once-beatens) because they don't win pretty and some are holding a grudge. Just the facts.

BuckeyeDave (Sep 19, 2003 1:39:27 PM)
I'm late to the chat and maybe this has already been discussed but... Don't you think Coach Tressel should pick one RB and let use for more than just a few series? Let him run for a half or into the 3rd quarter. Let him get in rhythm, get warmed up and get in synch with the O-Line. I think this virtual platooning of RBs is hurting the running game.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:47:17 PM)
BuckeyeDave, I disagree, I want Lydell Ross to play as much as he can. He's the closest thing to a difference maker as they have with the offense in the state it is. Hall needs almost a perfect play, it seems, to get a big gain.

BuckeyeDave (Sep 19, 2003 1:41:37 PM)
Hey Steve, how 'bout Holmes' fumble that may not have been a fumble. I saw 2 replays on TV and both times it looked like the ground caused the fumble.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:48:21 PM)
BuckeyeDave, the fumble call on Holmes was terrible, but so was the INT for Mitchell. They weren't deliberately against OSU on such judgement calls. They just stunk on those, while also giving the appearance of preferential treatment toward N.C. State on penalty calls.

nat'l champs (Sep 19, 2003 1:43:36 PM)
When do you think Maurice Clarett will get Johnny Cochran into his legal entourage

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:49:18 PM)
natil champs, I guess Johnny Cochran is the next step. "If the cell phone bill hadn't have been paid, he could have stayed." (VBG)

BuckeyeDave (Sep 19, 2003 1:44:42 PM)
I'd love to see the Buckeyes forgo the passing game this week, and potentially next week and concentrate on the ground game. The next are very winnable and should be used to concentrate on weaknesses.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:50:36 PM)
BuckeyeDave, that's funny. I said the same thing about the Stevie B. offense (no pass) before the 2001 San Diego State game. They stunk the joint up before he finally got on track in the second half. But as for your scenario, don't worry: OSU will continue to run the ball about 65 percent of the time. That's JT's nature.

SmellyCat (Sep 19, 2003 1:47:40 PM)
I love Tress like a brother but I really feel a lot of our disfunctionality is play calling and scheme. So many podunk programs run really cool plays and I think, "why can't we do stuff like that

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:52:19 PM)
SmellyCat, he is set somewhat in his ways. He has 5 national titles to back him up. Great defense and great special teams and an offense that doesn't beat you is his recipe for winning. Look at what happened in the OT. Krenzel never really put the ball in harm's way. THose were all safe passes to reliable receivers. In low traffic areas, too, until the Jenkins TD between the 2 receivers. Is that guy a stud, or what?

BuckeyeDave (Sep 19, 2003 1:49:48 PM)
Isn't Hall faster? It seems to me that if he were allowed to carry the ball 25-30 times a game, he'd start getting consistent 3-5 yard gains, mixed with a few 7-12 yard gains and a few 15 yard plus gains. Before long you've got 100+ yds and a 4 +/- yd average.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:53:26 PM)
BuckeyeDave, OK, I grant you Hall is faster. But he is going down way too easy. Too many no gains and 1 and 2 yard gains. Somebody has to break a tackle and make a play at some point, and he hasn't done it yet.

BuckeyeDave (Sep 19, 2003 1:50:57 PM)
I thought the fumble call on Holmes was a payback for the INT. The TV announcers didn't bother to pull out the slo-mo and analyze that one much, did they?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:53:51 PM)
BuckeyeDave, no that Cunningham idiot hailed it as a great call. Wow was he bad.

irrelevant (Sep 19, 2003 1:51:00 PM)
Doesn't a short passing game with quick drops fit this team (and next year's team) like a glove. It takes pressure off the line and moves the sticks without overreliance on the running game.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:54:17 PM)
irrelevant, I agree, I'm not sure why we don't see more of that kind of stuff.

worthabuck (Sep 19, 2003 1:52:04 PM)
Last night in the Texas A &M - VTech game I watched T A&M put 7 and 8 in the box on one drive and VTech was able to move all the way down the field. Two differences stood out. The backs were finding the right places to run. VTech wasn't trying to force it inside....they started inside and bounced to the outside.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:55:00 PM)
worthabuck, great point. Of those running plays I reviewed that didn't work, all of them were between the tackles. You have to mix things up at some point.

BuckeyeDave (Sep 19, 2003 1:52:58 PM)
Steve, Running the ball 'bout 65% is fine, they just need to use the same guy most of the time. This constant substituting isn't allowing either RB to get into rhythm and isn't allowing him to get in synch with the O-Line.

SmellyCat (Sep 19, 2003 1:53:46 PM)
We all are wondering what all of a sudden started working with the passing game in OT? Why can't we do that more consistantly?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:56:05 PM)
SmellyCat, they were working on a short field. They weren't worried about making a mistake to set up a defensive score on their own end (which it looks like JT is concerned about 98 percent of the time they're inside their own 30).

DesertBuckeye (Sep 19, 2003 1:58:38 PM)
Is Tressel really this conservative or does he not believe that Krenzel is a good enough passer to put the game into his hands? I love Craig Krenzel's ability to find ways to win and pull out the clutch play, but his passing would never make me forget guys like Joe Germaine. Do you think Tressel would open it up a bit more with a more capable passer like Zwick?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 2:00:06 PM)
DesertBuckeye, no, I don't think Tressel has a reputation as a passing coach. His way of winning is to grind you down with great D and special teams and just an adequate offense. OSU used to get 400-500 yards routinely. Now they're lucky to get 325-350, yet they still win them all. It's called winning the surest way.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 1:58:43 PM)
I don't know about anybody else, but I think we have a fun entertaining game tomorrow. If the defense can come through and contain Harris, OSU should be in good shape. I predicted 38-17 early in the week (before CK injury news broke) and I'll stick with it. I think they're able to pull away late.

worthabuck (Sep 19, 2003 1:58:51 PM)
Steve, any new news on Ross. I would love to have him back and healthy. I think he could make a difference if healthy.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 2:01:21 PM)
worthabuck, Ross should be close to 100 percent. I want to see him get 15 carries and see where he's at then.

nat'l champs (Sep 19, 2003 2:00:27 PM)
Seems like we have alot of athletes at WR. We saw the spread during the UW game and it seems that if we go to that formation, the defense won't be able to load up the box on us

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 2:03:17 PM)
natil champs, I would look for more spread from OSU to try and mix things up. They must diversify in some respects. Of course, their idea of the spread is then for Krenzel to run it. Scott probably won't be doing as much of that this week.

worthabuck (Sep 19, 2003 2:01:56 PM)
Two things that have happened much more this year than last are turnovers and penalties. We have given the other team about 120 yards in the last two games. That affects field position, as does the turnovers. Seems to big something they can fix, which would help both the O and D a ton.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 2:04:14 PM)
worthabuck, I agree they won that game with 14 penalties and 5 turnovers (3 INts and Holmes and Schnittker fumbles). They should be counting their lucky stars.

bucks101 (Sep 19, 2003 2:03:33 PM)
I been waiting to see if someone would ask this (and it might have been asked earlier - I got here a little late ... if so, I will just read up about it when the chat transcription is posted), but what is the extent of Clarett's lawsuit against OSU that he filled yesterday? What is the general thinking going on about this?

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 2:05:46 PM)
bucks101, I just learned about it today at 12:45 p.m. I have absolutely no idea where this is headed, as a fishing trip or serious legal matter.

SmellyCat (Sep 19, 2003 2:05:15 PM)
Winning the surest way or if you are the media, winning "ugly"!

worthabuck (Sep 19, 2003 2:05:46 PM)
As far as diversifying the offense, I thought that Tressel like to hold back some plays for the Big Ten season. Wants to get the basics down early, then bring in more as we go along. We might have to speed up that process this year, the way things are going.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 2:06:22 PM)
worthabuck, I agree, it's time to unveil what they've got before it gets to be too late (VBG).

bucks101 (Sep 19, 2003 2:06:31 PM)
Thanks Steve ... appreciate it ... I am sure we will find out soon enough and you will keep up posted! Thanks ...

bucks101 (Sep 19, 2003 2:06:39 PM)
us posted ...

DesertBuckeye (Sep 19, 2003 2:06:43 PM)
That last win shouldn't have been ugly. I'll never understand why we backed off the pressure on Rivers. Seemed to me that we were only rushing 3 men throughout the 4th quarter. It was no wonder Rivers got in a rhythm...he's a great quarterback and you can't give guys like that so much time.

SmellyCat (Sep 19, 2003 2:08:30 PM)
Tress always gets really really extra conservative when he gets a lead late in the game. Often it seems to let the other team back in. Sort of like playing not to lose.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 2:08:38 PM)
DesertBuckeye, N.C. State did a great job picking up the blitz (like on the TD to Williams underneath where he dragged Fox with him to goal line). OSU didn't get the heat it needed.

worthabuck (Sep 19, 2003 2:09:17 PM)
On that Williams play I would guess he was the receiver of last resort.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 2:10:11 PM)
worthabuck, and what does that say? He had 4 seconds to go through all of his options. When you're at the 6 yard line (or wherever they were) that's an eternity ... and a touchdown.

nat'l champs (Sep 19, 2003 2:11:22 PM)
Wouldn't it just be a shame if won all our games ugly (including scUM) and we would have to bore the nation again by being in the championship game.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 2:12:16 PM)
nat'l champs, it would be great, but with each passing day I think we have to accept that possibility is looking more and more remote.

nat'l champs (Sep 19, 2003 2:13:10 PM)
I don't suppose Robert Smith has any eligibility left

SmellyCat (Sep 19, 2003 2:13:20 PM)
I have no problem winning ugly. It's just hard on my aging body!

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 2:14:43 PM)
NC, none that I know of, and, SC, I can tell you my own heart was pounding from the moment Holmes fumbled that punt (or at least didn't hand the ball to the official).

worthabuck (Sep 19, 2003 2:14:13 PM)
On the positive side Steve, it is not how you start but how you finish. If they can get a few of these things strightened out. There will be alot of wild and crazy things happening throughout the season, and alot of upsets. There is just too much parity.

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 2:15:27 PM)
worthabuck, I agree. There is so much football to be played and so many games where top teams will eliminate each other. They have a fighting chance, but they have to get their house in order.

worthabuck (Sep 19, 2003 2:16:27 PM)
A couple of somewhat comfortable wins would be just what the doctor ordered, to get the confidence level up for the Big Ten season

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 2:16:56 PM)
agreed, starting tomorrow. But if they have 23 yards rushing at halftime and they're only up 13-7 ...

bucks101 (Sep 19, 2003 2:17:47 PM)
Don't go there Steve ... please ... atleast let us have 1 more day of positive thoughts! Thanks for hosting the chat ... this is best way to spend an hour or so at work.... thanks again...

nat'l champs (Sep 19, 2003 2:17:55 PM)
Could you imagine what Woody would be putting his offense through during the bye week if he was still coaching. Make the Junction Boys look like a cub scout retreat

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 2:18:10 PM)
NC, yeah, that would have been ugly.

SmellyCat (Sep 19, 2003 2:18:22 PM)
Thanks Steve. GO BUCKS!

SteveHelwagen (Sep 19, 2003 2:18:52 PM)
See you next week. For now, the schedule may be Gary on Thursday and me on Friday. We'll see how that works.

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