Helwagen Chat: Feb. 6 Archive

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Here is the archive of Friday's Chat session with Bucknuts.com managing editor Steve Helwagen. He conducts these Chat sessions each Friday for Bucknuts.com subscribers.

tsteele316 (Feb 6, 2004 1:03:26 PM)
are any out of state guys coming to columbus this weekend?

TheMinnesotaBuckeye (Feb 6, 2004 1:03:45 PM)
Steve, great job by the entire staff covering recruiting. Go ahead and take a few days off!

yourmama (Feb 6, 2004 1:04:08 PM)
Yes wonderful job!

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:04:48 PM)
tsteele, as it said in the article, no names whatsoever on who may be here Sat. Just going to see what we can see, thanks everybody for kind words, no rest for the wicked ... er weary.

cb (Feb 6, 2004 1:04:59 PM)
dont know if this has been answered yet....who else do you like in the 2005 recruting class....

yourmama (Feb 6, 2004 1:06:31 PM)
Does anyone else here not like the fact that tOSU is a Clarett fall back plan and wish he would just go on to the NFL and stop bringing the University bad press?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:06:48 PM)
O'Neal and Boone are a great start. Probably 1-2 of the other OL. Let's see who develops, shows it at the camp. Haas is a possibility. I hear kid at Lancaster, Jim Cordle, may get a serious look. Obviously with Coach Carpenter there, OSU would lean on his judgement of whether he can play or not. Maybe WR Hartline from GlenOak would be nice (we know they wanted at least one more WR this year), then the 2 Glenville kids, Lenix and Smith seem obvious to me.

scribeohio (Feb 6, 2004 1:07:00 PM)
Steve, you may have heard that BSB Premium board is a disaster right now - now just flamming but 4 letter language is the standard. I feel for Mark. Bucknuts handled its board well. The article on Terry is outstanding.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:07:26 PM)
yourmama, I don't think you have to worry about Clarett coming back. They all but said he is gone last night. Good for him.

yourmama (Feb 6, 2004 1:07:34 PM)
Although i do hope he succeeds in the and proves everyone wrong who says he's not that good!!

Scott Bucknut (Feb 6, 2004 1:07:35 PM)
I don't understand why so many kids from Ohio end up going to that school up north. When I played football, it was always my dream to be a Buckeye!!

tsteele316 (Feb 6, 2004 1:07:56 PM)
with osu making the final 4 for justin king, although its early, what are your thoughts on him as a player , and his chacnes to come to osu.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:08:50 PM)
scribe, that's too bad for them. Somebody told me they gave everybody a snippet of the Terry story then said you have to wait and read the rest when the paper comes out (next week). Gary had it here yesterday. Not gloating or anything, but that is one small advantage we have that we don't have to stop to do a weekly newspaper each week. But I'm sure all those things even out, too.

ksb (Feb 6, 2004 1:09:02 PM)
Steve, Do you think next year would be the ideal year to go after a stud QB. I've read that the pickings in that dept. are slim in Ohio next year. Is there anyone OOS that catches your eye yet.

DublinKidWSign (Feb 6, 2004 1:10:41 PM)
Steve, Who is looking good for the 2 open coaching position with the football team. Any high school coaches from PA or FL?

TheMinnesotaBuckeye (Feb 6, 2004 1:10:47 PM)
Steve, I thought your staff made a great observation that the biggest news from 04 recruiting was OSU expanding its recruiting base to include Western Pa. I checked the 1973 roster and we had 16 guys from Western Pa, including eight starters. Reestablishing that region is a huge breakthrough. Now, if we could get back into Chicago...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:10:54 PM)
Scott, well Michigan provides some nice opps, too. This may sound blasphemous (my wife and mother-in-law would kill me if they read this), but if my son or daughter came to me and said "I want to go to (that place) for school" and he or she had a good reason, I would not stand in their way. I don't think it will ever happen. Hey, they pay their players, too, fellas (just kidding, take on what Vintaieri said in every interview he did after Super Bowl on kick block).

Wizzle (Feb 6, 2004 1:11:24 PM)
i'm here

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:12:33 PM)
tsteele, I'll be honest, my knowledge of Justin King is just his name on a list. I saw he had 2,000 yards or something in Pa. as a junior. I guess I need to read up on him and make some calls. Would be great because I still think OSU needs 2 TBs next year's class. If OSU is in final four, I'd rate their chances at a firm 25 percent. (ha ha)

Wizzle (Feb 6, 2004 1:13:24 PM)
Alright, Steve, I don't know if you have had a chance to look at all the video on Freddie Lenix in the rivals.com network, but the past couple days I have been going over it and then over Marcus Freemans and Freddie hit just as hard, yet he seems like he is the fastest guy on the field

bucky13 (Feb 6, 2004 1:13:27 PM)
Any news on any walks or status of current walkons?

matty75 (Feb 6, 2004 1:13:43 PM)
Yesterday i asked the same question but I never saw the answer. What is your opinion on Tyler Horner. Will OSU offer?

Wizzle (Feb 6, 2004 1:13:53 PM)
I can't see how Freddie won't be a top 10 linebacker/safety next year

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:13:55 PM)
ksb, I have no great names to pass on yet. I think they actually need 2 if Bauserman falls through. Probably know more after the camp. For some reason, they did not click with Hoyer. He would have been a nice one, Duane and I both thought.

Wizzle (Feb 6, 2004 1:14:00 PM)
his video is aboslutely incredible

TURD (Feb 6, 2004 1:14:18 PM)
since i am a new premium member how do i view videos?

Wizzle (Feb 6, 2004 1:14:19 PM)
I don't know why Ohio State has not already offered him a scholarship

Kirk (Feb 6, 2004 1:14:29 PM)
Steve, do you want moderation on?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:14:38 PM)
Dublin Kid, no names on coaches. I heard one name weeks ago of an NAIA assistant from Ky., but doubt that happens. Yes, Kirk flip it on.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:15:50 PM)
TMB, yes, Pa. inroads have been a long time coming. They have been tracking kids over there for years. Agreed about Chicago. They used to go in there and get 1-2 kids a year. Hurts losing Spencer there, I guess.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:16:44 PM)
Wizzle, I think there may be some news on Lenix (i.e. offer, perhaps even verbal) by this time next week. He is the next one in the pipeline, no doubt.

cb (Feb 6, 2004 1:17:29 PM)
awesome news on lenix, steve..not holding you to anything though..besides the commitment part...lol

TURD (Feb 6, 2004 1:17:33 PM)
Do you think if this clarett decision stands that we will lose a player like ginn after a year or 2?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:18:58 PM)
bucky13, Tressel said he was expecting everybody back. Heard nothing about any walk-ons of note. If everybody is back (incl. Reecie), that's 84 scholarships and 2 grayshirts (Bauserman, Pettrey), so they had 1 spot and the oversigns left on signing day for Jarrett, Estopinan, Anderson and Bryant. (Maybe they did need that spot they cleared out .... hmmm)

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:19:02 PM)
matty75, tough call on Horner. Duane says he is Ohio's best. He probably needs to light them up at the camp. I agree with Duane they have to find a great one OOS first, then look at Ohio.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:19:47 PM)
Welcome aboard, TURD. I think there should be a link to the video down the left-hand nav bar on the home page. Neat thing is every time Kirk adds new stuff, he puts the whole menu up to choose from. Keep an eye out for that. I'll see if I can provide a link when we're done.

matty75 (Feb 6, 2004 1:20:21 PM)
I heard something about a long snapper from Clayton Northmont walking on. He is just a long snapper but his coach said he is so good he could be in the NFL right now.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:21:20 PM)
TURD, that's hard to say. On radio today they were talking that the guys who could leave before 3 years would be WRs and CBs. rest of the field needs that physical development to succeed.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:21:40 PM)
matty, haven't heard of any new LS. That's usually how they arrive, preferred walk-ons after impressing coaches at camp.

DublinKidWSign (Feb 6, 2004 1:21:47 PM)
Steve, What's the next big market that OSU should tap into? Looks like Illinois always has a good group of high school seniors and is close by.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:23:12 PM)
Dublin, you're right. They need to hit Ill. hard. Illinois (the school) is going really bad right now and the state is wide open. They lost the top 5 guys in-state and NW isn't a factor, either. Easy pickings. Top 5 guys there this year went to MSU, Iowa, Okla., Mich. and Va.

matty75 (Feb 6, 2004 1:23:37 PM)
Steve, I have asked this questiona few times but have never heard the answer. What is your opinion of Tyler Horner and do you think OSU will offer?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:25:17 PM)
Look up about 3-4 answers. I will repeat it: Tough call on Horner. Duane says he is Ohio's best QB. He probably needs to light them up at the camp (to get an offer). I agree with Duane they have to find a great one OOS first, then look at Ohio. Does that answer it?

bruiser (Feb 6, 2004 1:25:44 PM)
Steve, will any of the Bucknuts staff be at the WHC on Saturday?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:26:52 PM)
No, not at the WHAC. We have done that before and nobody really has cared. But with the climate today (i.e. everybody is looking for something to get on somebody else), it's better to keep a distance. We'll be watching at the Schott when they walk on, likely.

TURD (Feb 6, 2004 1:27:09 PM)
do you think yesterday was a history making day in the NFL? or do you think that the appeal will go the NFLs way?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:29:14 PM)
Yes, history was made on Feb. 5, 2004. I do not see an appeals court overturning that ruling. It was on strong legal ground, without being a lawyer. It is going to ruin some kids' lives, though, who either get hurt from not being developed enough or just plain don't make a roster or get drafted because they weren't good enough or not ready. I don't think you'll see a groundswell of kids jump this year. Maybe a few will trickle in next year.

Guest (Feb 6, 2004 1:29:44 PM)
Any word on Javon Ringer?

cb (Feb 6, 2004 1:29:52 PM)
Do you know when you will have something on the 2005 kids...ie: updates, ratings, etc....news on junior day

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:31:35 PM)
We will be doing updates almost every day. Ratings is on the Insiders. I doubt they have anything definitive like a top 100 until March at the earliest. It just takes time to get all the names in. Anything they would publish today would be laughable because few in this industry (other than Duane) look at anybody but the seniors. We'll report stuff on Junior Day either Sat. or Sun., likely, if there is anything to report.

TheMinnesotaBuckeye (Feb 6, 2004 1:31:50 PM)
This team lost a lot of leaders to graduation this year. Who do you see emerging as the team leaders for 04 and 05?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:33:00 PM)
Team leaders in 2004: Ross, Joe, Fraser, Fox, Nugent. Team leaders in 2005: Clarett (ha ha), Hamby, Mangold, Sims, Kudla, Hawk, Salley.

CTBuck (Feb 6, 2004 1:33:29 PM)
With all Ohio St.'s success w/ WRs in the NFL (Galloway, Glenn, Jenkins, Boston) why is it like pulling teeth to get these kids to come to C'bus? All of the top wideouts that play in the system put up gaudy numbers w/ less then stellar QBs.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:35:15 PM)
Tressel addressed this pretty well on WKNR yesterday. He said some schools like USC or Miami (he didn't name them) have reps as passing schools. Some have reps as running schools (OSU). He said we provide the kids the stats on our run-pass ratio and we point out that MJ broke the receiving yardage records in the 3 years we were here, getting more yards than Carter, Glenn, Galloway, Boston, Warfield, etc.

slimkid (Feb 6, 2004 1:35:38 PM)
Sorry if this has already been asked and answered; I came to the chat late. If we will likely go out of state next year for a QB, who are the most likely targets?

tsteele316 (Feb 6, 2004 1:35:43 PM)
any oos qb's on osu's early radar?

CTBuck (Feb 6, 2004 1:35:46 PM)
Are there OOS QBs or RBs expressing serious interest in the Bucks?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:36:01 PM)
And I'll add they got 2 real good ones in Dukes and Lyons. The world hasn't come to an end.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:38:46 PM)
Sorry slimkid and everybody, out of state names just aren't plentiful at this point. I don't have anybody in this region even yet that I'm sure about. Those names will come in soon. Justin King from Pa. may be an RB possibility, but some like him better as a DB. There is a RB at Skokie, Ill., named Rashard Mendenhall, goes 5-11, 205, I believe.

Wizzle (Feb 6, 2004 1:39:44 PM)
Steve, do u think we should just offer the Glenville football program a TEAM SCHOLARSHIP?? haha

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:40:53 PM)
They could have 8 on scholarship if they add Lenix and Curtis Smith to O'Neal, Ginn and Terry, Hiley, Whitner and T Smith. They are doing something right there. Read the Terry story Gary wrote if you're still skeptical about what's happening there.

TURD (Feb 6, 2004 1:41:10 PM)
Steve do you sense and urgency from the coaches seeing their recent problem with WR like davis and jarrett?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:45:32 PM)
No, I really don't. Their urgency is finding kids who want to play here. Duane said his biggest disappointment was getting the "difference maker" at WR. I'm sorry but Jenkins and Gamble and Vance were not national top-50 kids when they came out of high school. They were nicely regarded players, just like Lyons and Dukes and even Holmes and Hall. You work with them, they develop in your system and you can still win games with them. Davis, to me, was not a loss. Sounds like sour grapes, but if I told Duane once I told him 100 times the kid didn't show me much at OSU's camp. He said you have to see the tape. I saw the tape and was impressed to some degree. But he just sent signals out at the camp that I'm a star. OSU doesn't need that. Good line yesterday, Roda said he'd like to see Ginn v. Davis in a title game match-up, Tressel said he's take Ginn in that one, me too

tsteele316 (Feb 6, 2004 1:45:52 PM)
does anyone know if clarett has a deadline to declare himself eligible for the draft? How does that deadline coincide with the potential NCAA reinstatement?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:48:21 PM)
Draft is in late April. We are on uncharted territory. He has a court order against the NFL. They have to let him in the draft, barring any further legal developments. The parties may need to mediate this and figure out what that drop dead date has to be. NCAA reinstatement is on an entirely different plane. OSU has said that process would not begin until mid-March (after winter quarter at the latest). They hope to have a decision from the NCAA by April 1 so he could begin spring ball with the team. However, I'm sure they are in "sleep mode" on that now, waiting for the other shoe to finally drop and have the kid go off to the NFL.

Guest (Feb 6, 2004 1:48:44 PM)
Steve, how much did our offensive line improve on February 4th? It would appear that we signed an offensive line class that is as good as anyones. Thanks...

DublinKidWSign (Feb 6, 2004 1:48:53 PM)
Steve, Is it true that the collective bargaining group can choose to not accept underclassmen as members in the NFL but the kids will still be able to play somehow?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:49:50 PM)
Follow-up on Clarett, OSU's stance, I'm sure today, is why spend one minute worrying about his reinstatement when it is clear he wants to go to the NFL. If that changes, somebody will go to work on it.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:51:43 PM)
Dublin, don't know about the players union. My experience with most unions is even if you don't join you still have union protection. Not sure why they'd want to keep a guy out. There was a high profile QB a few years back (may have been Fouts or Elway) who disdained the union and refused to pay dues because of some political fight. I think the team had to pay them for him so he could play. That's not even a factor for Clarett. he would be working for an NFL team. If the union doesn't want him in, they can't stop him from playing. He has a court order demanding entry.

bruiser (Feb 6, 2004 1:51:58 PM)
Do you feel JT will jump on the Ohio talent or because the class is so low in numbers, wait it out and see who else is out there. I think the latter

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:54:10 PM)
I think they go slow. My sources say they have their eye on 3-5 guys already they will be offereing, if not this weekend then very soon. From there, it is to their benefit to wait and go through the spring ball junior day, Nike Camp, OSU camp and even fall evaluations before over extending. They don't want to see any more players of Manningham's caliber get away, though. So I think the 3-5 Ohio kids (if there are even that many) in that class will get offers sooner rather than later. That has been my experience, plus we've heard that's what they are leaning toward doing.

zorba (Feb 6, 2004 1:55:00 PM)
Steve, is there any reason why in the last few years we have not been able to recruit Cali kids? I realize that it is a tough sale pitch to get a kid to leave that weather/scene and come to Columbus, but Florida is a similar situation and we pull some out. Also, why not Texas (exception of Yaboughty)?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 1:59:37 PM)
Did they even have anybody from Calif. visit this year? I can't recall. USC's emergence hurts a bit, I think. With the Pac-10 finally winning a national title, interest in the conference will be back up. It's just so far away. Spencer did what he could to go out there and get guys. You end up spending a lot of time and money to no avail. Texas has 5-6 major D-I teams right there in the state with Texas, A&M, Tech, TCU and the rest. They are going to be hard to beat. Fla. is just where Tressel, Conley, Heacock and Snyder have been good at getting guys for years. They aren't going down and getting top-10 Fla. kids out of there (those are reserved for FSU and Miami and, maybe even Fla.). But they go down and get 2-3 top-50 kids most every year. Their top 50 is the same as Ohio's top20 if that makes sense. So even if a kid is 45th in Fla. (like a Gamble or Jenkins probably was), those guys can ball with the best of them. Yes, there is talent in Cali and Texas, but it ain't easy mining it.

DublinKidWSign (Feb 6, 2004 2:00:34 PM)
Steve, Do you think anyone will notice OBrien and staff wearing sneakers on Saturday in support of Coaches vs Cancer?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:01:31 PM)
That ??? gives me a thought to analyze where Tressel's 4 classes have come from. Hmmm. (Glenville and ,,, ha ha)

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:01:33 PM)
Hadn't heard about that. I'll ask them today at interviews.

bruiser (Feb 6, 2004 2:01:41 PM)
Steve - Do you see Center being a need for the class of 05. Who backs up Mangold?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:02:47 PM)
Sales pitch time: Anybody on a monthly or 6-month subscription needs to check out the Premium board for the reasons why you need to upgrade to annual TODAY. It's the last day to get on the mailing list for the March Recruiting Wrap-Up, plus you get the 2 Insiders national recruiting issues. Check it out. Now, like Bob Knight told that poor guy at the NCAA that time, back to the game ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:04:40 PM)
bruiser, right now Mangold is backing him up. Duane thinks that could be Person's job within a few years.

losu1 (Feb 6, 2004 2:04:43 PM)
steve, sorry if this was already asked, any names surfacing for the assistant coaches spots?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:05:31 PM)
sorry, I meant Datish is backing up Mangold.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:05:35 PM)
No, sorry, no names. I had a name of an NAIA assistant from Ky. who doubles as a coach in another sport, known as a real go getter, but I don't know if there is anything to it.

Guest (Feb 6, 2004 2:06:19 PM)
Steve, any chance of seeing Ted Ginn Sr. as a coach at tO.S.U.?

tsteele316 (Feb 6, 2004 2:06:27 PM)
how bad are hight's academic problems? is there any chance he will qualify?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:07:37 PM)
Duane says they are "pronounced". Obviously, he has 1-1/2 years to undo 2-1/2 not good years. He needs to get on it. Do not have exact marks, though. Duane's sources think it could hold him back from being able to sign next year unless things improve and fast.

Guest (Feb 6, 2004 2:07:56 PM)
Steve, do u think that with the entrance of Zwick and loss of Krenzel that the pass/run ratio will increase in the pass category this year, and also do you think if that does happen, WR recruits will see this and have more interest in O St.??

bucksboozer (Feb 6, 2004 2:08:05 PM)
hey steve. I think we should forget clarett until he is actually play with the team. With that I would like to worry about next season. Looking at the schedule I think we would be favorite to win every game next year. What is your opion?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:10:59 PM)
boozer, that has been my stance on Clarett most of the way. All of his developments have not been things I typically cover, so I've ignored most of it. I agree, I've said that several times, on paper OSU should be a spread fave in every game they play in 2004. We broke down the sked nicely in the Feb. Bucknuts The Mag with a look at each team. UC and Marshall will be great, interesting games, no doubt. N.C. State, Iowa and Purdue are all potential road losses. They have to win the 6 home games, incl. PSU and UM. I see 2 losses due to all of the inexperience (QB particularly and other spots). If they are the right 2 losses, you can still go to Pasadena (remember that place?).

slimkid (Feb 6, 2004 2:11:12 PM)
When will get word from the team about players who have decided to transfer or leave school or for whatever reason will not be part of the team next year?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:12:44 PM)
slimkid, I asked Coach T on Wed. if he had anybody not coming back. He said no, he expects everybody back. They are doing a great job of retention and that answer was not a surprise, really. That could change by spring ball. But it adds up because with the signees and players returning, I have 84 on scholarship and 2 grayshirts for next Jan. in Bauserman and Pettrey.

redondo (Feb 6, 2004 2:13:08 PM)
Hi Steve - Great work by everyone on the recruiting coverage!! Regarding JT on the radio addressing the "losses" at WR, I ddi not hear the broadcast, but from your summary, it seems to me like he left a piece out. If OSU is known as a running school, then he should be able to point to the comparable Davis/Jarrett caliber RB that is coming. With all due respect to the ones that are coming, I'm not hearing the accolades comparable to the WR class @ a U$C. The concern, I guess, I have is that right now we are neither fish nor fowl. Yes, I realize during recruiting Reecie was looming, but Mike Williams loomed bigger for U$C. Your thoughts?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:14:28 PM)
Number drops to 83 if and when Reecie leaves, answering Redondo's ?? next

crazynuts (Feb 6, 2004 2:14:52 PM)
Steve, great recruiting coverage... Any truth to the rumors that this is Holmes last year, and if so does that leave us with a shortage at WR?

Kirk (Feb 6, 2004 2:18:34 PM)
I messed up and am going to have to re-type the answer to crazynuts question, but in the meantime, here's the next ? for Steve:

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:18:48 PM)
crazynuts, I think that is what Holmes would like to do if his next 12 games are like his last 6. He does have a son in Fla. and some family concerns. But to expect it happening (great year and going pro) is completely premature. Let him play the season first, I say. It will be obvious what he should do in Dec.

Kirk (Feb 6, 2004 2:19:15 PM)
Oops, I meant the answer to Redondo's ?. It was a long answer, so give me a bit

Guest (Feb 6, 2004 2:19:35 PM)
Steve....everyone thinks we have a major problem at WR recruiting, which is crazy. Can you elaborate on Tressel's coaching style at YSU. Didnt he change his play calling on both sides of the ball tailored to the talent he had. If he has a QB that can throw 50 times a game, he will , if it is best for the team. If he has an option QB, he will utilize those abilities. Can you comment on his styles at YSU. Thanks.

TURD (Feb 6, 2004 2:19:40 PM)
since this is a premium chat my next question si who is your source? and did helpinghand single handedly get that kid from florida a scholarship or what?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:22:39 PM)
source for what? We have lots and lots of them. Even if I was e-mailing you personally I probably would not share that information. People who give us stuff know we'll be discreet and keep their name out of it. Their jobs could be in jeopardy otherwise and we'd lose good sources. HH did not get the kid the scholarship. He earned it himself. Whether HH placed any calls or anything to get him noticed, I can't speculate. He's just a good dude.

Kirk (Feb 6, 2004 2:23:02 PM)
Here's the answer to Redondo's Question: "You make a good point. Haw may be a sleeper (and really, so should be Pittman, 1600 yards with turf toe, ouch). Now both come from city league schools, so caliber of line play against them will be much better at this level. But, following your logic, they should sign a Reecie every year and they don’t. Not sure Darius Walker would have been the answer either, but would have been another good player in the mix, no doubt. I think they need to get back out there and get the best 1-2 they can next year. The truth is coming in 2006 in RB Chris Wells from Akron Garfield AND WR David Lighty from Cleve VASJ. These aren’t Duane’s words, but aside from O’Neal and maybe Boone or Manningham, they would have to be among the top 5 underclassmen in the state, in my opinion."

losu1 (Feb 6, 2004 2:23:26 PM)
steve, don't you think manningham did the osu coaches a favor by announcing right away for um. He saved them a lot of time and effort for what was probably an exercise in futility. I remember the wasted efforts put in for woodson and crable and personally, i appreciate manningham cutting through the bs and just doing it. Now we can move on to bigger fish.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:26:00 PM)
Agreed, both literally and figuratively. Gary loves MM and sees him as a difference maker. I guess that's possible. I know this, OSU will not sign a smaller fish than the 5-11, 160-pound Manningham. OSU has held its own against UM most of the time (except for maybe Crable and Burgess last year and Massey this year). Most of the Ohio guys they get weren't offered by OSU (Massey's brother was and before that you may have to go back Charles Heisman).

PDM (Feb 6, 2004 2:26:11 PM)
Steve, With MoC apparently gone....Can OSU get back to the business of running a top flight football program and academic institution with out all the nonsense that has been brought forth because of MoC?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:29:39 PM)
Well, as I used to say about my brother-in-law (who was constantly running afoul of his parents, even into his early 20's), "You certainly are a controversial figure, aren't you?" Let's examine: Spat with Spencer, spat with Lydell, his comments brought on the whole NYT/academic thing, took extra benefits, filed a false police report, lied to NCAA investigators. Three years ago, I sat in the audience this very day at the coaches clinic at Easton and heard JT say "There must be an absence of special privileges." The coach is a principled man, I hear, but he allowed this kid to trash that one. Time to move on.

Guest (Feb 6, 2004 2:30:04 PM)
Comparing O'Neal and Boone, which player do you believe will be a better player for the bucks? Are they solid commits?

KYBuck (Feb 6, 2004 2:30:17 PM)
I would think another reason for our recruiting success in FL would be the strong alumni presence. We would probably be there for more bowl games than TX or CA and basically have developed more of an OSU fan base over the last few years. Agree?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:31:54 PM)
Sure, OSU fans go down there to vacation and retire. OSU has played quite a few bowl games in Orlando and Tampa. (How 'bout Miami next year?) That would help them in south Fla. immensely to play a national title game at the Orange Bowl.

Susan (Feb 6, 2004 2:32:14 PM)
I know the coaches aren't allowed to talk about an athlete's medical issues, but have you heard how Olds is recovering from his surgery or any prognoisis as to whether or not it's projected he can participate in spring drills. I thought that was Adam's goal, to try and see how spring goes for him.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:33:49 PM)
Have heard no update, probably won't be determined until mid- to-late March probably. He had hip surgery and Bollman sounded at Fiesta Bowl about 60-40 or better he should be back, which would be great. Any available body or option can only help this OL situation. Duane is scared to death. I'm not as much, but to put 2-3 guys who have never played (and I mean, next to never played) out there is a little bit scary.

CTBuck (Feb 6, 2004 2:34:11 PM)
What is your take on the RB situation,is Ross the clear front runner (excluding MOC)?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:37:34 PM)
Oh yeah, it's Lydell's job. He had a fine second half. he had 585 yards and 5 TDs in his last 6 games. That includes 22 yards on 9 carries when he got hurt at UM. He needs to stay healthy, but I see him getting that elusive 1,000-yard season is he is able to stay upright and the OL does it's job. Key may the passing game to open up the run. You know teams will be sitting on Ross early until the QBs prove they can move the chains.

dcbuck (Feb 6, 2004 2:37:49 PM)
Not be beat a dead horse, but is Clarett still in classes at OSU? I imagine he's not, and that puts the exclamation mark on his intentions

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:39:00 PM)
Last I heard he was. I'm sure OSU would say that if he wasn't and end the speculation. Wonder if he jetted back from NYC for his 9 o'clock this morning. Hmmm.

tsteele316 (Feb 6, 2004 2:39:18 PM)
do you see the media paying an odd amount of attention on osu versus othe cfb programs that have had issues? ie marcus vick's potential statutory rape problem, or miami recruit willie williams' 10 arrests in 5 years. Yet those seem to be back page sports material versus anything happening at osu

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:42:05 PM)
Boy ESPN sure likes Maurice Clarett. OSU won a national title and is an easy target. On Outside the Lines, they even had a shot of Dellimuti (in his apron) coming outside his catering place to get the mail. How long do you think they had to have the camera trained to get that shot? That's freaking determination. Roda asked me about the timing of that Clarett report Wed. I said they put it on that day because it was signing day and they knew college fans would be buzzing already that day. ESPN just loves that kid. ESPN News carried his press conf nationally yesterday after their outfit tied him to the stake the day before. Milstein wasn't going to turn that coverage and a national forum, was he?

KYBuck (Feb 6, 2004 2:42:29 PM)
I sense that the QB job is Zwick's to lose. Just how much of a chance do you think that Smith has of winning the job? I was disappointed that when Smith played last year he didn't get to throw one pass (that I recall). I hope he gets a legit shot as I really like his feet.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:43:32 PM)
It seems to be Zwick's to lose. Those 2 kids (and also Boeckman) will get more reps and opps than they know what to do with this spring. They may be the only 3 QBs in camp unless Trom

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:43:51 PM)
bitats (been hurt comes back). I agree, too bad Smith didn't get more chances last year. really, Zwick as well, too. Should be a great competition.

Kirk (Feb 6, 2004 2:44:13 PM)
Ok, we're going to let Steve go in a few min, so I'm going to post a few questions in a row and Steve can post quick answers:

losu1 (Feb 6, 2004 2:44:22 PM)
steve, is there anybody on the team who is not in his third year who might pull the trigger this year if given the opportunity to do so by the nfl. Would Holmes???

osufan (Feb 6, 2004 2:44:33 PM)
steve, is Javon Ringer going to get a look from OSU at RB or are his grades holding him back. If not Ringer then who else might OSU look at. What about King from PA?

bobby (Feb 6, 2004 2:44:58 PM)
I know Tressel likes to control the game and has been very successful in doing so, just the same do you think the staff is giving serious thought to perhaps trying to put away a few more teams. Padding of some of the stats would have to ease up the recruiting challenge. I recognize that we like the players we got , but It also must be recognized that were losing players that an OSU should not.Comments?

ouyiy (Feb 6, 2004 2:45:31 PM)
have we offered fred rouse from fla. and did signing his qb help us that much

cgbuck (Feb 6, 2004 2:45:41 PM)
Steve, Any concerns about losing top Ohio kids three years in a row? (Burgess, Davis, Manningham). These are top 1-2 recruits in Ohio in their respective years. I realize you can't get them all, but how often do we go into another state and pull out their top recruits?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:47:22 PM)
Nobody I see who could go early. Nobody else is established, in my opinion. Holmes may if his next 12 games are like his last 6. (That prorated over 12 games would be 58 for 994 and 14 TDs, ouch).

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:48:07 PM)
osufan, Duane says grades or size are holding most of the top Ohio RBs back. King may be the biggest name we've heard yet, but some like him better on defense.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:49:54 PM)
bobby, no, I don't see Tressel changing his style. The only way he might is if his defense isn't as good and he has to take some chances to win. But as long as that defense holds people to 10-14 points and he only needs 17 to win, he isn't going to take a lot of chances throwing the ball all over the lot.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:50:30 PM)
Haven't heard of an offer to Rouse. Would not be a surprise. He seems to be making the rounds on all of the national lists. Got to believe getting Bauserman on campus next Jan. would have a factor in his decision. Have to wait and see on that, but you know an OSU assistant has walked the halls at that school already a number of times that helps.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:52:23 PM)
Does that really matter if OSU goes into other states and "raids" them? They went into Pa. this year and got 3 of the top 10 plus a potential three-year OL starter in Skinner. Does that count? Burgess and MM were predisposed to go to UM. That Alfie Burch or whoever is brokering those kids for UM from Harding deserves a raise in his next pay envelope. Davis, I honestly think OSU is better off without his star syndrome. Been there, done that, got the (No. 13) T-shirt.

Kirk (Feb 6, 2004 2:53:44 PM)
Ok, Steve thanks for the chat! Thanks everyone for stopping by today and keep posted to the front page for the chat wrap and more.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 6, 2004 2:54:27 PM)
I think that is a Reynolds Wrap. If you are a monthly or 6-month subscriber, seriously, go and upgrade to annual. Over the course of the year, you spend no more money. And you get out 10 mags and the 2 Insiders recruiting yearbooks. Today is the last day to upgrade and get on the mailing list for our special March recruiting issue. Do it now! Thanks again and God bless.

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