Helwagen Chat: May 7 Archive

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Kurt (May 7, 2004 1:05:03 PM)
Can you explain in a bit of detail exactly why Malik is "lukewarm" on the Michigan coaching staff (or at least was)? I've read that several times over the past months, but have never heard why that is.

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:06:36 PM)
Well, I think he is more lukewarm over the personnel at Michigan. They are overstocked with backcourt players. Whose minutes would he take? My impression is that Amaker told him the truth: If he comes in and earns minutes, he'd have them. But Michigan should be good with or without him. They really only lost Bernard Robinson Jr. That Petway kid is a sky walker. And everybody knows Horton and Abrams can ball.

Susan (May 7, 2004 1:06:40 PM)
Hi Steve. Pretty funny but appropriate password.

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:07:34 PM)
Yeah, decide already, would you? My dinner is getting cold (ha ha). I've never ever seen a deal like this, especially involving six schools. That's the most mind numbing thing. Fans at six schools are sitting on the edge of their seat waiting on this.

Butkus51 (May 7, 2004 1:07:50 PM)
We are coming up on the Big 33 and Ohio All Star games, how does the OSU staff feel about their recruits participating in these games?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:10:32 PM)
I don't think they have a preference one way or another. They seem supportive of their signees getting to enjoy the experience of being "kids" one last time before they become part of the "business" of college football. The mission of the Big 33 is so amazing that they would have to be ashamed of themselves if they dissuaded kids from participating in that. Obviously, you don't want anybody to get hurt and impact their college career. At the same time, I think the doors are open for kids who want to enroll early (if spots are available, etc.).

daytonabuck (May 7, 2004 1:11:22 PM)
most drama since davis

russiabuck (May 7, 2004 1:11:40 PM)
I'm sorry I'm late, did you already hit the status of Malik?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:12:58 PM)
No new new news on him. Could be today or tomorrow.

osufan25 (May 7, 2004 1:13:19 PM)
Steve,how many scholies will be available next year with the departures of Guilford, Clarrett and Irizarry

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:14:18 PM)
My count when I did Buckeye Grove was 18. They had 81 on scholarship, were losing 14, which would give them 16. Then, they have 2 more open up, that's 18. I had never factored Clarett into my thinking because he figured to be gone after 2004 anyway.

osufan25 (May 7, 2004 1:14:24 PM)
Steve, what is the latest on Harrison, Lenix and Curt Smith? They seem to have cooled on OSU

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:16:26 PM)
I wouldn't say "cooled," per se. More likely they are just waiting patiently for Ohio State to get around to them. If and when Ohio State does offer (and I think they will on Harrison and Lenix at some point), they will take those offers very seriously.

riverwatchbucknut (May 7, 2004 1:16:38 PM)
why dont more people act like justin zwick did in recruiting more players to the school especially high caliber players like boone? If I was going to a college I would want the best of the best joining me

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:17:45 PM)
That's just not in some kids' nature. Their high school coaches probably hope those same kids will step up and be leaders on their own team, let alone put themselves out there to kids they don't even know halfway around the state (or country) to try and convince them to come to OSU. A lot of those friendships are built over visit weekends and at OSU games.

daytonabuck (May 7, 2004 1:17:54 PM)
Steve we just had 14 guys drafted by the nfl do we have enough left to continue on at the same level? or is that loss too big?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:20:19 PM)
Those losses do hurt, no question. But as I wrote in this week's Buckeye Grove, I think the defense is close to retooled. They need some of the young DL to come through. But I think they will be better overall at LB and maybe as good or better in the secondary. They have so many talented young CBs and safeties who all show they can play. Offensively, it hurts that you lost so many vets like Krenzel, Jenkins, Hartsock and the OL. Irizarry would have definitely helped at TE. The QB (or QBs) will have to come through. Not sure anybody will replace Jenkins. The good news is everybody they play lost guys, too. So you just hope it evens out and, by midseason, they're back at all cylinders clicking.

Kurt (May 7, 2004 1:20:45 PM)
When OSU decides on a starting QB, how much playing time to you see the guy who loses out on the starting job getting? Will the starter get almost all the snaps or is it likely to be a more even split?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:21:00 PM)

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:23:45 PM)
That is kind of a Catch-22. I think the starter will play until OSU has a comfortable lead. Then the backup will get a chance. That's my hunch. They may split time after that point to get each some reps. But I think Tressel would like to settle on one guy.

BuckeyeDave (May 7, 2004 1:23:52 PM)
I'm late to the chat. Sorry if this has been asked already...Does Hairston appear to a "one and done" type of player?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:25:15 PM)
No, I don't think so. He says he is too young (still just 17) to go to the NBA. I think 2 years as a minimum. Even at Ohio State, he would get a chance to probably play 30 minutes a game. But I don't see O'Brien "featuring him" in such a way to put him in the NBA next year. OSU, really, does have a pretty decent roster (though they surely did not show it).

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:25:25 PM)
Thunderstorm here, could go offline at any time.

osufan25 (May 7, 2004 1:25:36 PM)
Steve, Is there any OOS guys that you think will commit by the summer and what is the grade status of Antwon Hight.

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:25:59 PM)
You asked Gary about that yesterday, didn't you (ha ha), answer in a sec.

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:29:55 PM)
I got zapped by the lightning in the neighborhood. Please re-send any unanswered questions. Sorry, but I can't control electricity, too.

fball40 (May 7, 2004 1:31:15 PM)
are there any fullbacks that are being recruited and how many do you think osu will sign?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:33:08 PM)
Fullbacks? Mister Simpson of Cinti. Colerain may be the best in Ohio. Alex Daniels at 6-2, 215 now could grow into one, too. He looked great at Nike. Maybe Matt Schumaker (6-3, 235) from Delphos St. John's. He has been around a few times. Outisde the state, no idea. OSU will probably sign 1 with Joe leaving. That would leave 3 at OSU (White, Schnittker and Johnson).

daytonabuck (May 7, 2004 1:33:18 PM)
Steve? as an insider shouldnt you be able to control electricity and sign Malik by end of business today? hahaha

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:33:23 PM)
Yes, you would think.

osufan25 (May 7, 2004 1:33:28 PM)
Steve, will you be able to provide us witha list of players coming to summer camp?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:34:03 PM)
Yeah, keep in mind that is still 6-7 weeks away. Those decisions usually aren't firmed up until around time school ends. But we'll see what we can ascertain.

GoBucks25 (May 7, 2004 1:34:08 PM)
With an influx of game breaking talent such as Pittman, Haw, Lyons, Dukes, Holmes, maybe a Sutton, Ringer, or Wells, coupled with the pure passing ability of Zwick- could you see our offense becoming less conservative/ more potent just because the nature of these players even though Tressel loves defense and punting? (on a sidenote: our defense will be more than equipped to continue dominating for quite awhile, IMO we're stacked with stars just waiting for the lights to come on)!!!!

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:37:20 PM)
It is hard to read Coach Tressel's mind, but I think he feels slow and steady is the way to win the race. He does want to see his offense make big plays. But going for the big play and repeatedly missing on it aren't his idea of how to win. He always likes to point to Michael Jenkins having more receiving yards than any receiver in OSU history and that happened on "his watch." That's fine, except nobody else really caught anything of note for any appreciable yardage in the same stretch and the offense was 95th nationally last year with a senior at QB. They will remain conservative until the young players (i.e. the quarterbacks) prove they can be trusted.

scribeohio (May 7, 2004 1:37:27 PM)
Steve, your thoughts on Dick T and the RB's this spring and thoughts on coach Peterson and the OL. Thanks

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:38:52 PM)
I liked the running backs. Ross showed some fire and really did a nice job. Dick Tressel seemed to push some good buttons with him. Tony Pittman was just what the doctor ordered, a hedge just in case something happens with Ross. The fullbacks can play. Joe can also play TB if needed. White did a fine job, I thought, at FB as well. Nice collection of RBs, even the walk-ons like Roshawn Parker could help them in a pinch.

crazynuts (May 7, 2004 1:39:01 PM)
Hey Steve, Am I being too optimistic in thinking OSU's defense will once again be stout, and perhaps even talented enough to once again carry the team this season. The depth seems amazing.

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:40:36 PM)
The depth IS amazing. They have so many guys you're left scratching your head wondering how people like Cotton, Matthews, Kerr, D'Andrea, Mitchell and Youboty are going to see much time, but they would all probably start just about anywhere else. Mark Snyder is getting a loaded gun to work with from day one. And, other than Fox and Fraser, they should ALL be back in 2005. That's kind of scary.

osufan25 (May 7, 2004 1:41:00 PM)
How is Ohio's WR Class shaping up for this year and next? Will, OSU go after any of them. I've been hearing good things about Hartline, Robiskie, Stross, Sharps and Orton. I'm not really familiar with the soon to be juniors.

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:42:30 PM)
It is a good to great WR class, in my opinion. Duane likes Hartline the best and an offer could be imminent. Stross is a guy whose stock seems to be climbing. Orton is one I really like as well. David Lighty is the No. 2 overall junior-to-be. He's a WR from Cleveland VASJ. He'd probably be the top receiver prospect in the state, regardless of class right now.

BuckeyeDave (May 7, 2004 1:42:39 PM)
Isn't "The Insiders" network owned by Gino Toretta or some other ex-Miami QB?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:43:58 PM)
No, the Insiders network is "affiliated" in some way with Bernie Kosar and his family. They are part of the investment scheme, I believe. That is not my area of expertise. I work for the Bucknuts Media Network, which owned separately but still affiliated with the Insiders network.

crazynuts (May 7, 2004 1:44:04 PM)
Along the same lines, do you think we have some more playmakers (= more turnovers) in this years back 7

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:44:36 PM)
You hope so. Underwood and Youboty like to get their hands on the ball. The hard hitting by Salley, Whitner and Mitchell should also create some TOs.

Butkus51 (May 7, 2004 1:44:49 PM)
speaking of defense, do you see Pitcock leaving early?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:46:03 PM)
Oh, I don't know. He hasn't even started a game here yet. I would imagine he will try and play this year and next year and see where he is. He has 3 years of eligibility left. If he's a star the next 2 years and they tell him he could be a first-round pick, then I guess he should look at it. But that's a lot of games and a lot of consistency he will have to show over the next 26 games.

redondo (May 7, 2004 1:46:08 PM)
Hi Steve - thank you for chatting with us and responding. Is Kennedy forgotten at the RB mix at this point?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:47:38 PM)
No, I wouldn't say forgotten. With Guilford out (not that RB was his long-term position likely), they will give everybody a shot in the fall. Kennedy will be in that mix. HelpingHand swears by the kid, and he's seen some great ones in his day in South Fla. In my mind, though, he was kind of taken as an afterthought. It makes you believe -- at least in the back of your mind -- that he's kind of a down-the-line kind of guy.

Susan (May 7, 2004 1:47:47 PM)
I thought Bernie Kosar was an owner, BuckeyeDave

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:48:12 PM)
Bernie may own some shares. He and his brother Brian are involved, primarily with the publishing wing.

BuckeyeDave (May 7, 2004 1:48:57 PM)
Ohio St has seen what seems to be more than its share of players in some kind of legal trouble over the passed 5-7 years. Truthfully. are we that bad or are we pretty average, but we just get more press?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:52:47 PM)
My feeling is Ohio State has had more than it's fair share of incidents and publicity. But let's look at what we're talking about -- underage drinking, disorderly conduct etc. If you boil it down to DUI and above, that's Guilford and Irizarry (robbery), Irizarry (assault), Chattams (theft), Joe (DUI), Marco Cooper (drugs and weapons), Arden (DUI), Bellisari (DUI), Ross (providing false info to police) in 3-1/2 years. That's close to 3 serious offenses per year. Yeah, that seems like a lot to me.

osufan25 (May 7, 2004 1:53:03 PM)
Steve, thanks for taking all of my questions. I have one more though. Who will be the Curtis Terry of the 05 recruiting class. I think it may be Tim Hiller or Brandon Long.

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:54:58 PM)
Good question. I think it has to be a position of need. They should take a QB whether Bauserman stays or goes. Long is a nice looking athlete, maybe a bigger version of Dustin Fox. Hiller is a nice player, too. Maybe Alex Daniels could be that guy. He seems like such a great athlete.

BuckeyeDave (May 7, 2004 1:55:03 PM)
Whats your opinion on Colorado's Jeremy Bloom vs the NCAA case?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:57:07 PM)
Well, they let guys play pro baseball and still play college basketball. But when you cross into endorsements, that's a different deal. My feeling is the endorsements are a result of him being a great skiier and not because he also plays football. If they can show that, he should be allowed to have them. If he could at least show the NCAA, "Here is what similarly talented skiiers make on endorsements" it should be cool. But they don't seem to want to budge. It kind of sucks because stars help the game, in my opinion.

GoBucks25 (May 7, 2004 1:57:38 PM)
With Irizarry gone, how important is Stan White Jr. as the H-back.. His role has to be expanded, because you can't count on Hoobler or Nicol to contribute right away after a month of practice.. right?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 1:59:55 PM)
White will have to shuttle between FB and TE, I guess. He is smart enough to handle whatever needs done. Caldwell also comes into play, but he simply has not played and seems mostly a blocking TE to me (not a fair trade with Irizarry). This hurts, guys. It really hurts. Hamby probably played 30 percent of the plays behind Hartsock. But Hartsock was the clear starter. This year, Louis probably would have played that same 30 percent as the second tight end but also some plays as the lead tight end too because he and Hamby are pretty close in ability. We're talking about a guy who would have played about half the time and had the ability to change a game on 1 or 2 catches. Ouch.

redondo (May 7, 2004 2:00:00 PM)
Hi Steve - Ross provided false information to police? I thought that was MoC. Am i mistaken?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:00:22 PM)
That was Derek Ross way back when when he was pulled over speeding. He got 30 days in jail for that.

crazynuts (May 7, 2004 2:00:29 PM)
I usually don't have any feeling about preseason polls. But I was a little steamed when i saw Ivan Maisel had OSU ranked behind Maryland and Utah. (I had to double check that it wasn't a basketball poll!) Is Ivan crazy, or are Maryland and Utah going to live up to the hype?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:02:03 PM)
I think he, like a lot of people, is caught up in the number of players who left Ohio State. I have not studied Maryland or Utah at all to know if they will or will not be top-15 caliber. Some other polls look better. I think Dodd at CBS has them sixth or seventh and Michigan 10th (as it should be ... ha ha). In my mind, OSU and Michigan are so close. You almost have to give the edge to OSU because that game will be here in Cols.

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:02:33 PM)
I think I'm caught up. Does anybody have a ???

scribeohio (May 7, 2004 2:03:00 PM)
Not that it will happen but Marcel Frost is a really good TE that Duane has always liked. I think he stays at DE.

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:04:28 PM)
Yeah, I don't think you need to do anything drastic like that. Let the situation play out and go from there. If something happens to Hamby, maybe Arden moves back there or White goes there full-time. Frost is too good as a rush DE. He could help them in a big way this year as a RS freshman. He and Richardson looked good this spring. I have to think they're the backups for Fraser and Kudla now.

crazynuts (May 7, 2004 2:04:31 PM)
ok, i didn't want to be that guy, but i missed the begining what is up with Malik?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:04:55 PM)
No news is no news on Malik. Just in a (perpetual) holding pattern.

GoBucks25 (May 7, 2004 2:04:59 PM)
Can you get me a sideline pass to any games this year:)?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:05:25 PM)
That would be cool, wouldn't it. It's a whole different world down there on the sideline. Those guys do some real serious hitting.

BuckeyeDave (May 7, 2004 2:05:31 PM)
Is there anybody on the non-conference schedule that has a realistic shot at beating the Buckeyes? Like Cinti almost did last year.

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:07:57 PM)
All 3 teams on that schedule could do it. Obviously, it would take some serious balls bouncing the wrong (or right) way for Cincinnati or Marshall to do it. But Marshall did go to Kansas State and won last year and K-State was heavily favored over OSU in the bowl game, if you'll recall. Cincy has a senior QB and a coach who knows OSU inside out. N.C. State will be a hornet's nest. They have 17 starters back (though no Rivers) who will be out for blood after the way last year's game ended. In order of toughness it's N.C. State, Marshall (Pruett's best team?) and Cincinnati. It's nice that the Buckeyes can build up to the toughest game of the 3. But none of them are a pushover by any means.

scribeohio (May 7, 2004 2:08:05 PM)
Steve, how will the coaches deploy for recruiting with Peterson/without Conley?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:09:26 PM)
Have to think Peterson will start out in Ohio and establish himself as the lead OSU contact. I think Hazell, Snyder and Tucker will take the ball in fertile South Fla. Honestly, they didn't even know how they would carve up the pie at the end of spring ball. I imagine they sat down and have it figured out now, though, during this evaluation period.

ToledoBUCKnutty (May 7, 2004 2:09:30 PM)
I saw that Brandon Harrison has no interest in O-State. What gives? Is that simply because they have not yet offered?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:09:42 PM)
Yes, simply because they have not offered. But I think they will.

russiabuck (May 7, 2004 2:09:46 PM)
Gut feeling on Malik?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:10:18 PM)
You want to say Ohio State as the compromise candidate. But then you wonder why it hasn't happened yet. Ohio State ... but NOTHING would surprise me.

BuckeyeDave (May 7, 2004 2:10:22 PM)
I'm with GoBucks25. I'll be at Nwestern, Purdue and Iowa. Are you going to be involved with any of the radio remotes? Any freebies? (Might be a good publicity giveaway for the magazine!)

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:11:07 PM)
We'll see. Doubt we'll be doing any radio remotes at away games. Hard to say.

Kurt (May 7, 2004 2:11:18 PM)
Where will NC State be ranked to begin the year?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:12:37 PM)
I was wrong. It was CNNSI's Mandel who had OSU seventh. N.C. State isn't in that poll right now. I guess, because Rivers is gone. they would be unranked. But they will be dangerous.

osufan25 (May 7, 2004 2:12:44 PM)
Steve, what part of the country do you think OSU will have the most success this recruiting year. I think it will be in florida or the SW with Aaron Lewis, Matt Clapp and Udofia all showing interest in OSU.

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:13:34 PM)
With a small class (17-18 right now), Ohio will be the backbone with 10-11 signees. Florida should be good for 2-3, then you'll probably see one kid from several other states.

eastcoastbuck (May 7, 2004 2:13:37 PM)
Is Morris living up to the hype?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:14:09 PM)
I honestly did not hear how he or N.C. State ended the spring. I guess if he's eligible he'll be in the lineup. I haven't heard that he has flamed out or anything yet.

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:16:08 PM)
Nope, that name doesn't ring any bells, sorry.

scribeohio (May 7, 2004 2:16:16 PM)
Steve, I believe JT hand wrote a letter to ILL QB, Jake Christensen of Lockport (D8 champs). Haven't seen any interest in OSU or feedback. Heard anything?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:16:29 PM)
That answer above applies to that question (rookie mistake).

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:16:43 PM)
Anything else before I head on?

Buckeye4u (May 7, 2004 2:17:11 PM)
which player do you rave about and would like to be signed by tOSU right away?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:17:21 PM)
Malik Hairston ... ha ha. No seriously ...

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:18:56 PM)
Adam Myers-White looks good on tape. Same for Todd Denlinger. Not sure what the holdup is on Brandon Harrison. Guys who run a 4.3 or better are pretty scarce. Duane likes Hartline. I liked Cinti. Wyoming OL Robert Brewster, just a huge kid, maybe a prototype LT like Sims. That may be it for now. Daniels is an up-and-comer it seems.

scribeohio (May 7, 2004 2:19:11 PM)
How's Pataskla?

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:19:29 PM)
Very wet. We can't seem to go more than a day or so without a heavy rain like this.

SteveHelwagen (May 7, 2004 2:19:36 PM)
Thanks everybody!

Guest (May 7, 2004 2:19:41 PM)
thanks, Steve

BuckeyeDave (May 7, 2004 2:19:44 PM)
Thanks for the info.

BuckeyeDave (May 7, 2004 2:19:50 PM)
Go Bucks!

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