Comparing trey stross to mario manningham, Trey Stross amazing 41 inch vertical, 4.43 forty, 3.93 s.s. and 275 bench it seems as though he's faster, stronger, and better ball player than mario manningham. Trey Stross is ranked 2nd in FS and 3rd as WR. As a D1 receiver would you rather take Manningham, or Stross? and why?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:10:14 PM)
It seems to me they are 2 different kind of players, kind of like Trey is Michael Jenkins to MM is Holmes or Bam. I think Stross is starting to get some real attention from recruiters and experts. Duane had him tied for 25th on his Ohio list. Obviously, he can move up based on his offers and how he plays as a senior. As a split end prospect, he'd be up among Ohio's best. I think Duane prefers him to Greg Orton of Wayne, who is 20 pounds lighter. If the measurables you gave are correct, he would be potentially a great prospect. Manningham, to me, is a lethal guy like a Holmes or Childress. He's been doing it at a high level for the last 2 years, too (witness the title game as a soph).
HilliBuck (May 14, 2004 1:10:28 PM)
Steve, I have heard from a couple of sources that Irizary and Ira may be back with the team if they are not convicted. I think that is a mistake. Have you heard anything along those lines? (There should be no "I's" in our team)
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:13:22 PM)
That's a tough call. First of all, I want to know how they don't avoid some type of prosecution. The state has the kid who got beat up and a witness. They have whatever the cops ascertained as well. Looks like I and I got caught pretty much red-handed here. Not presuming guilt until the trial is complete, but it looks an awful lot like an open-and-shut case (unless there is much more we don't know about). If they aren't convicted, I think they'd have to prove to Tressel and Geiger they're serious (i.e. quit screwing around at 3 in the morning, toe the line, etc.). We'll see I guess. Jerry Rud said on our radio show those aren't the kind of guys you want on your team because you don't know if you'll be able to count on them in battle.
dave dlugosz (May 14, 2004 1:13:29 PM)
WIth De Andrea being at OSU i wouldnt be shocked if OSU comes to Avon Lake and offers Stross on the spot.
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:14:35 PM)
I suppose that could happen. This is May and the coaches are circulating far and wide looking for players. We've heard of some offers going out like Todd Denlinger and Alex Daniels so far this month. Maybe Stross will be in that group, too. We know how Avon Lake supports Ohio State, that much is for sure.
skeelo (May 14, 2004 1:14:46 PM)
hey steve a little birdie told me that you and a friend of mine was at nike give your thoughts on the stx q.b. i told rick p. that he reminded me of marino i know this may sound crazy but these offers are beginning to confirm my observations
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:16:40 PM)
I saw Schoenhoft there. I can understand why some may like him. He has that look at 6-5, 225 and showed a strong arm. He only completed about 37 percent of his passes last year. That kind of bothers me, if those stats are true. That may be why Tressel and Ohio State haven't offered. They may not offer an Ohio quarterback, period, or at least wait and see what Bauserman does first. Great for Schoenhoft that Michigan and others are taking notice.
Guest (May 14, 2004 1:16:49 PM)
Trey Stross was a starter as a freshmen on a team in the NCL conference which that conference has 2 states titles in St. Peter Chanel, and Lake Catholic, He's a play maker ever since then. Is most of this ranking who you know, and what school you go to? Cause from what i hear the exposure from stross would have gotten to him sooner if he'd gone to St. Eds or St. IGs. All thought number were correct in your guys magizine
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:19:31 PM)
I'm not sure if the question about the Stross ranking made the Chat or not. The questioner wanted to know if rankings were based on who you know and what school you go to. Let me say that is a ridiculous assertion. Duane Long has watched nearly every one of the top 100 players in the state on tape. He has spoken to most, if not all, of their coaches. He's 25th for 1 reason: That's where Duane legitimately believes he should be ranked. In a state with 700 schools and probably 35,000 kids playing the sport, that is no knock whatsoever.
Guest (May 14, 2004 1:19:53 PM)
who do you think was the best senior this past year , and this upcoming year??
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:22:02 PM)
Same questioner wanted to know who I thought was the best senior this past year. That's easy Ted Ginn Jr. National defensive player of the year, and we didn't pick that. He was the state's best two-way (really three-way) player, hands down, over and out. Showed in the Army All-American game too. This coming year, probably a tight race between Jamario O'Neal (with transfer problems behind him you'll see what he's capable of), Alex Boone (one of nation's top OL prospects) and then maybe Todd Denlinger or Adam Myers-White (devastating hitter).
Florida Buck (May 14, 2004 1:22:12 PM)
With Irizarry's departure and the sudden "need" at TE, it makes me wonder what happened to Coleman. Wasn't he the top prospect out of WV a couple of years ago as a tight end?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:23:31 PM)
Coleman came in and was moved to OG. He came in around 260 and has added 20-25 pounds to get into the 285-290 range. I don't see him going back to tight end. That move was made because depth was so bad at OL and so good at TE.
OTC (May 14, 2004 1:23:34 PM)
I saw on your big board you had Patterson listed at d end, is that where he officially is going to be this upcoming year?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:24:40 PM)
Jim Heacock told me that Patterson will play some at both tackle and end. It seemed to me that he and Penton had kind of traded places. The depth chart, I guess, has him listed as a DT. Perhaps that is more accurate, but I think you'll see him backing guys up both inside and out.
edbuck51 (May 14, 2004 1:24:48 PM)
Skill players work together in the summer to get the routes down, develop timing, a build rapport. Do lineman strictly lift weights and run, or do they get together and work as a group?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:25:50 PM)
That is a good question. I honestly don't know if they get together and practice coming off the ball and taking the proper steps or whatever they do. I've never seen that kind of thing, but I imagine it's possible.
edbuck51 (May 14, 2004 1:25:57 PM)
Lot's of folks seem to look over Mike Kudla, and are looking for the next great defensive end at Ohio State. Don't you think Kudla is going to at least be an All-Big Ten player before he is done?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:27:01 PM)
I guess he could be an All-Big Ten player. I like Mike. I thought he was effective at times as a backup last year. He gets a chance to win a starting job this fall. Frost and Richardson looked real good in the spring. So if Mike doesn't get it done, there will be others waiting for their chance.
edbuck51 (May 14, 2004 1:27:48 PM)
Regarding Schlichter and Hartline. It seems the Buckeyes need to put another Elite 11 caliber QB on the roster. Do you think either of these guys will reach that level?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:29:40 PM)
Schlichter is getting that kind of buzz. He has grown a good bit in the last year or so. Duane now has him at 6-3, 195 with 2 years of high school left. Hartline is 6-5 1/2, 190. Both will add another 15-20 pounds over the next two years. I think Duane likes them both. I liked what I saw of Miles at Nike. Less informed on Hartline. We'll see, I guess.
edbuck51 (May 14, 2004 1:29:44 PM)
Do you think the BCS is doing the right thing by dropping strength of schedule, losses, and quality wins from the championship equation?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:33:04 PM)
They are streamlining the process so it will be more understandable, I guess. They are putting most of the power in the hands of the pollsters. The pollsters usually have the pulse on who should be 1-2. I always kind of thought SOS and computers were redundant because the computers are based in part on SOS. The losses and quality win deductions were fail-safes in place to protect unbeaten teams. Hard to think pollsters will downrate a major conference unbeaten for somebody with 1 loss, though, so I don't think that will have a major impact. The quality win deduction was so confusing for most people because, say you beat USC in week one, that deduction fluctuated all year until the final rankings. I think they want an outside mathematician to run these numbers and make sure this new format will produce the best results before they finalize it.
russiabuck (May 14, 2004 1:33:10 PM)
Hi Steve, Back to Basketball, can the buckeyes make the NCAA tourney next year?? Other than bringing Scoonie along with him, how would you rate OB's recruiting?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:36:20 PM)
OB has done OK recruiting. The experts really liked the Dials, BFC, Sylvester class, but all 3 have been hurt. I think guys like Brown and Savovic were good to great signees (integral pieces on 2 Big Ten championship teams). Harris was a nice coup a year ago and this year's 4-man class is a top-25 class even without Hairston. If Butler pans out, the program is set up for a nice 3- or 4-year run. Like Penn, he could be the lead guard or the engine that makes the whole thing go. Now they need a big man, though. Yes, I think they're back in the NCAA this year. But if you read Buckeye Grove, you have to think Wisconsin (with or without Harris), Illinois, MSU and probably Michigan are going to be tough. A fifth-place finish would be no disgrace, plus it would give you that coveted first-round BTT bye.
tsteele316 (May 14, 2004 1:36:28 PM)
who do you thinkthe next 5 or so guys to get osu offers will be? will offers slow down until camps?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:37:57 PM)
Next 5 for offers? Have to think Lenix will have his number punched at some point. Not sure what the delay is on Brandon Harrison. His speed speaks for itself. I like Robert Brewster from Cinti. Wyoming. I think Brian Hartline is also due for a grant. There's 4 good names right there and Glenville's versatile Curts Smith would be five.
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:38:36 PM)
I think you'll see a steady stream of offers as the coaches gather more info this month. Maybe they'll wait until the camps on some of these guys, though.
skeelo (May 14, 2004 1:38:54 PM)
hey steve the footage of cordle was so impressive i would rank him the #2 prospect after oneal and put boone#3 that how impressive this kid is he is like a heat seeking missile your thoughts please
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:40:36 PM)
Cordle definitely shows the athletic ability you like to see. Boone is simply a gigantic, rangy kid. I view him as a prototype LT, 3-year starter at RT at worst. Those guys are very valuable. Cordle is likely a guard and there is no disgrace or dishonor in that. I just think Boone projects at a position you have to have an absolute stud, and that is what he seems to be. It's tight because I love Cordle, too. I could see both ways.
Florida Buck (May 14, 2004 1:40:50 PM)
Where are we at with the new weight room facility? I haven't heard any news or seen any pictures for a few months -- the nightly news in Jacksonville just doesn't provide the info I need!
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:41:57 PM)
They have raised about half the $15 million they need to do what they want to do. Construction will not start until all pledges have been made. Could be another year or so until they're full speed ahead on that.
OTC (May 14, 2004 1:42:04 PM)
What are your thoughts on Caldwell now having to play a major part in this offense, and do you think Nicol or Hoobler will be able to step in and be a factor?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:43:26 PM)
Caldwell showed in the spring he may actually be a contributor. He drops a few too many at times, but I think he's a good blocker and did make a couple nice grabs from time to time. Not to disparage him, but he isn't Louis Irizarry. I think Nicol and/or Hoobler will be given every opportunity to win some playing time if Louis is no longer around, as it seems he may not be.
edbuck51 (May 14, 2004 1:43:31 PM)
Have you met Coach Hazell yet? If yes, what kind of energy does he bring to the table?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:45:01 PM)
Yes, got to do an interview with him after his hiring. I think that was a strong hire. He brings that energy and enthusiasm, but he is a total professional, very polished and mature. He has the players' respect and already seems to have a rapport with his receivers.
redondo (May 14, 2004 1:45:10 PM)
Hi Steve - Thank you for taking my question. A report earlier this week had 1.4% of college football players admitted to having affected the outcome of a game becasue of gambling debts. Seems like that's about one player per team. Does that number seem high, low or about right to you (keeping in mind this includes all Divisions, so one could suppose that the number might have been higher in Division IA)?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:46:54 PM)
That's probably right. It has got to be disturbing to hear that kind of thing. I think Myles Brand expressed dismay, and rightfully so. All you can do is educate kids on the pitfalls of college athletics.
tsteele316 (May 14, 2004 1:47:24 PM)
what is your take on javon ringer? everyone seems to love him (myself included). it seems like his grades are in pretty good shape. Do you think he sees an offer soon?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:49:58 PM)
Two straight 2,000-yard seasons are nothing to sneeze at. He is 5-10, 190, but is extremely well built and is certainly impressive to watch. I still think OSU will look around a bit for backs that maybe fit the profile (i.e. 200-210 pounds). They do have an offer pending to another "small" back in Maurice Wells (who might be 175 pounds).
edbuck51 (May 14, 2004 1:50:09 PM)
After reading Bauserman's interview, I was pretty excited about his feelings regarding OSU. He sounds enthused, and is certainly an exciting player. He sounds more than 50% in the fold. What's your thoughts.
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:51:19 PM)
I think it's more than that. He could be 70-80 percent set. Two things have to happen: He has to be drafted high and then he has to get a contract offer he likes. Sometimes, those are 2 really high hurdles. I hope the (cheap) Reds draft him early and can't sign him (because they're cheap). Wouldn't be the first time, huh?
skeelo (May 14, 2004 1:51:39 PM)
i have not seen any footage on brewster what could you tell me about him the only thing i have heard about him is that he can dunk a basketball but i know you have mentioned his name often also do you see us aiming to sign 5 o.l.
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:52:51 PM)
Brewster looks good standing there. I think Duane gave me a tape to watch, but I have not seen it yet. Brewster is 6-5, 320. Maybe he'd be the RT if Boone is the LT. Hmmmm. I thought just 3 OL. But with Olds going by the wayside, maybe it becomes 4.
scribeohio (May 14, 2004 1:53:01 PM)
Steve, how many hours were put into covering Malik? Was the physical or emotional grind worst. By the way, great job to staff/Kyle - had to be a ball buster!
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:55:27 PM)
I didn't do nearly as much with it as Kyle. He was working the phones and the message boards like a madman. He did nine updates on him in the last 2 months. Kyle deserves all the credit. He covered it as well as just about anybody.
blitzer (May 14, 2004 1:55:36 PM)
Steve, What is your take on how this years recruiting class can end up? I feel pretty good with the verbals already and it sounds like we have a legit shot a couple more good ones soon. I know it is early to say, but atleast a top 10?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 1:59:05 PM)
With the numbers being slightly down (only going to be 17-18 high school seniors and 2 grayshirts in this class), it hurts the ranking a little bit. But so far, they have all quality and no reaches. That's good. I think they end up with Duane's top 6 in Ohio (still need Denlinger, Lenix and Myers-White) to do that. Then, if they can just go outside the state and get two or three more national top-100 players that would be great. Remember, they only had 4 national top-100 guys this past year and finished seventh in my consensus poll. They have two now with O'Neal and Boone. Two or three more should put them in the top 10.
EYEMEDTECHIE (May 14, 2004 1:59:16 PM)
I've appreciated these chat forums now for a few months but have never posted anything as of yet. I'm looking forward to the JT/Dantanio game this coming September. Of course Ohio State has superior athletes to that of Cincinnati but Dantonio will basically know the defensive playbook. Defensively, how will the OSU coaches be able to offset this aspect?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:01:32 PM)
They will use some more and different wrinkles, like dropping DL into coverage to disguise blitzes, etc. Just because Dantonio may know where the defense will attack from, his players still have to beat OSU on the field. I was actually thinking Dantonio's real advantage is in knowing what Tressel wants to do offensively (seemingly two things -- run off-tackle and throw short passes all day). I'm sure JT will have some tricks up his sleeve, too. Should be an intriguing game.
scribeohio (May 14, 2004 2:01:48 PM)
Steve, I'm a little surprised that RG/RT positions are in need as they are (
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:03:36 PM)
I don't know if your question was cut off. I wouldn't call it a dire need (well, Duane thinks it is). Doug Datish is solid at RG. The battle at RT was between Schafer and Downing. I'm not sure either has reached that standard yet. So look for more competition between them and involving others in the fall.
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:04:04 PM)
Great to see so many people here. Any more ???
buckeyenole (May 14, 2004 2:04:30 PM)
Steve, just joined late (so I'm sorry if this has been asked), have you heard about OOS recruits? How aggressively is the staff going after the OOS guys, especially some of the OL that seem to be interested in us?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:07:16 PM)
They will be all over the OOS guys. I know in the Big Board I mentiooned a couple of OL names like Craig Roark (probably going to instate Oklahoma) and Brian Roche from New Jersey. DE Doug Worthington of New York would be a huge get. They may wait on some instate WR until they see what Fred Rouse and Derrick Williams do, but I think both are long shots here.
dantheman (May 14, 2004 2:07:30 PM)
I think Mark Dantonio will have an advantage on September 4: he knows our defense's strengths and weaknesses; as well as our offense's weaknesses and weaknesses. :)
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:09:05 PM)
And the other thing that bothers me is Guidugli will be a senior QB. That offense, if Dantonio retains it (and I think he will for one year because Guidugli is a senior and comfortable in it), is like facing a root canal. Richard Hall (there's a blast from the past) is also coming into his own. They were 5-7 last year, but they lost some tough games. It will be a very competitive game, as will the Marshall game and certainly N.C. State
scribeohio (May 14, 2004 2:09:35 PM)
Good interviews with AG. He seems a little short fused lately and don't know that I blame him - LI/IG situation. JT says they're gone 2004/AG says gone! Do you think anger stuck its head out before reason?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:12:12 PM)
I sense that Geiger has been through the ringer because of Clarett and then this thing falls in his lap. He's fed up with it. My sense is, if convicted, Irizarry for sure will be gone. he may be expelled from the university and it would be out of athletics' hands. Guilford may get a second chance as a first-time offender, but he was already on thin ice because of (presumably) his grades. No, I don't think anger stuck its head out before reason. If the facts, as presented, are true -- they beat up a fellow student on the campus proper at 3 in the morning and stole his wallet -- they should be gone.
tsteele316 (May 14, 2004 2:12:23 PM)
steve, have you heard much about wr talonnie russell from mich? it seems he is genuinely interested in osu, and may not receive a mich. offer. is osu interested in him, or is he primarily a fallback option?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:14:02 PM)
He seems like a good to great one with reported offers from Miami (Fla.), Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue and Wisconsin. Maybe the numbers crunch is holding OSU back. I'm not sure.
buckeyenole (May 14, 2004 2:14:21 PM)
Do you have a feel if the staff is going go after another QB if Bauserman goes to Baseball? If so, out of Forcier, the QB from IL that listing us, Delle Donne or Stull who do you think the staff likes the best? BTW, I left out Schoenhoft b/c I've gotten the impression that neither party is particularly interested.
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:15:50 PM)
I think they need to sign another one either way. Just my opinion, although I saw one poster make the case that if they think Schlichter is the real deal and are sure he would be here, they might hold off a year. I liked Forcier. He just had that look about him as a Cali kid. Stull also looked good to me, too. Haven't seen the Ill. kid or Delle Donne live.
tsteele316 (May 14, 2004 2:15:55 PM)
couldnt it also be said that osu will know what dantonio will try to do defensively and plan accordingly on offense?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:16:27 PM)
Yes, I think you can assume he will try and do what worked so well here. But does he have the personnel (great corners, great DL) to pull it off?
edbuck51 (May 14, 2004 2:16:35 PM)
Did you see the end to the Spurs vs. Lakers last night?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:17:44 PM)
No, I was flying home from our convention. Saw the highlights on ESPN this morning. Great shot by Duncan. I saw only a snippet of Fisher's shot. Did he get that off in under four-tenths. I know the replay showed the light didn't come on until the ball was in the air. But did it start on time?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:18:30 PM)
What a great ending, though, two off-balance circus shots in the final second and the Lakes get through again.
edbuck51 (May 14, 2004 2:18:36 PM)
It was out of his hand by a foot before the light came on.
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:19:54 PM)
Yeah, but my question is did the clock start when he caught it, or was there a tiny delay. That's the kind of thing where the video people would almost have to use their own clock and slow it down to frame by frame to get the actual duration he held it. if he held it for 0.39 of a second, it's a legal play. Any more than that, no goal.
labsbeabmm (May 14, 2004 2:20:00 PM)
its tough being a buckeye in pittsburgh. can we get another blue chipper or two from here this year?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:23:10 PM)
How about King???? He'd be a great get, especially with the schools all over him. Look for Daniels to work his magic and get a visit. He's listing offers from FSU, Georgia, Michigan, ND, PSU, Pitt and So Cal.
Guest (May 14, 2004 2:23:54 PM)
My wife is a USC grad. We went to a booster banquet Wednesday, and Carrol was the guest speaker. In the Q&A session, he was asked what four teams would be in contention for the BCS this year. He said Miami, OSU, and Georgia. I think he didn't put a lot of thought into it, but he said those were the programs who were hot right now. It's a good time to be a Buckeye. How can anyone tell when someone turned on the clock? Do you think Popovich was watching to see that the clock started at exactly the same time the ball touched Fischer's hand. No way can that be determined, but the three officials, and an NBA timekeeper all start the clock, with the one hitting the button first setting time in motion. Bottom line, Lakers pulled out a game they deserved to win anyway.
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:25:40 PM)
I'm not sure if you could see what was just posted. But edbuck51 says he was at a USC booster banquet Wed with his wife, who is a USC grad. Pete Carroll spoke and said Miami, OSU and Georgia would be BCS contenders this year. Interesting answer, to say the least.
EYEMEDTECHIE (May 14, 2004 2:25:50 PM)
How good are Javon Ringer from my hometown of Dayton and then Denlinger out of Troy? Is Ringer going to be able to compete at OSU? I will definately need to catch the CJ and Kettering Alter game.
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:27:17 PM)
Ringer has 2 straight 2,000 yard seasons. If his academics are squared away, he will get some nice offers. He is built like a power plant at 5-11, 190 or so.Denlinger has an offer. He's a 265-pound guy playing LB. With 20 more pounds, he projects as a DT or maybe an end. OSU offered. I think they're the team to beat.
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:28:23 PM)
He also has offers from Wisconsin, Pitt, Maryland, West Virginia, BC, NW, Tennessee, Purdue and Stanford. Denlinger that is.
buckeyenole (May 14, 2004 2:28:31 PM)
Yes, I'd love King too, but everyone on the prem. board seems to think he's not interested in us. Have you heard differently or do you feel the staff would be able to win him over if they got a visit?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:29:48 PM)
He isn't even listed as an OSU possibility in the Insiders database, which probably says a lot. But the Buckeyes have offered and Daniels did a great job in Pa. last year. We'll see. Uphill battle, certainly. The guy wanted a Pa. name and I went for one of the best (ha ha).
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:30:07 PM)
Anything else before we close up shop?
buckeyenole (May 14, 2004 2:30:22 PM)
With the speed he showed in his highlight tape, do you think Denlinger would be a better fit at the DE spot opposite the "LEO" spot ala Fraser/Scott?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:31:19 PM)
I think it depends on his weight and speed. If he's able to maintain that speed and stay at the 270 range, then maybe he is an end. But you know he is going to continue to develop and mature and add at least 10-15 pounds in the next 2-3 years, right?
tsteele316 (May 14, 2004 2:31:39 PM)
osu is recruiting king as a rb, where as he has stated he wants to play cb. isnt that odd, especially with his size?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:32:45 PM)
These could just be recruiting expert guesses. OSU is recruiting athletes, most times regardless of position. A year ago, they liked Lyons as a DB. Now he's slotted as a WR. I don't read too much into "what position they're recruiting at" until around decision time, when it becomes one of the big factors.
buckeyenole (May 14, 2004 2:32:57 PM)
Does he not have the hips for cb?
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:33:10 PM)
Good question. I don't know.
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:34:04 PM)
buckeyenole (May 14, 2004 2:34:12 PM)
Thanks Steve for a great chat!!! I had a lot of fun and hope to now have more free time to join in rather than just read the transcript!!!
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:34:27 PM)
Good deal. Thanks to everybody who submitted ???
SteveHelwagen (May 14, 2004 2:34:35 PM)
See you next time.
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