rbuck (Jun 11, 2004 1:06:26 PM)
Am I right that your favorite is Thad Matta?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:07:22 PM)
Yes, I think he is my morning line favorite. His record speaks for itself -- one of 6 coaches in NCAA history to get to 100 wins in 4 years. He has 3 league titles, 3 league conference titles and got about as far as any A-10 team has in the NCAA tourney in recent memory this past year. Yep, he's my guy.
xhscoach (Jun 11, 2004 1:07:39 PM)
Steve, first thanks for all your work and effort; does it appear that. The bucks are content to take what we need from in state this year.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:09:06 PM)
No, there will be some out-of-state signees as this process unwinds. They have not offered an abundance of Ohio guys, though there are some that have or may be offered soon (AMW, Amos, Hartline, Daniels, maybe Robiskie, Lenix and Curtis Smith). But there will be room for 5-8 OOS guys at least as well, I think.
tsteele316 (Jun 11, 2004 1:09:11 PM)
lively bunch today
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:09:26 PM)
Yep, kind of quiet. I figured everybody would be inside due to the rain.
rbuck (Jun 11, 2004 1:09:40 PM)
Steve, 4 years ago were we saying the same things about Hall and Ross, as what's being said about Haw and Pittman?? I just hope it's not the same result.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:11:41 PM)
Probably. I think those 2 may have been rated higher nationally than Haw and Pittman. I'd have to check. But Haw and Pittman bring great measurables. I won't say as a tandem they'll be better than Hall and Ross, but it seems likely. Pittman showed some great things in the spring. I know Haw can play. He's 215 pounds of bad attitude and speed. I can't wait for those 2 and Ross to trample people in the fall. Disparage Ross if you like, but I think he could have a good year. He was at a different level (at least for himself) in the spring. He just needs to stay healthy.
tsteele316 (Jun 11, 2004 1:11:45 PM)
are there any in-state LB's coming to camp that you know of?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:13:24 PM)
Maybe you consider Daniels an LB. About the only others of note in the state are B.J. Travers from Westlake and Lance Phillips from Wellston. Maybe somebody else will surface. I think they need an LB or 2 in this class, certainly.
Guest (Jun 11, 2004 1:13:30 PM)
Steve do we use ohio guys as backups since our luck is down on oos guys.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:14:06 PM)
Oh, I don't know. This senior class is starting to grow on some people. We'll see what happens. OSU will be fine outside Ohio. Let the process play itself out.
buckcrazy (Jun 11, 2004 1:14:12 PM)
now that bauserman is in contract negotiations, who do you see us offering at the qb position for 05, and who do you see us getting?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:15:56 PM)
They've offered Schoenhoft it seems. I think Stull could still get a look and they may have an outside shot at Sanchez, Ryan Williams' teammate from Mission Viejo, Calif. I still wonder if they have their eyes set on next year with Miles Schlichter and Mike Hartline, two real good prospects.
Bellybuck (Jun 11, 2004 1:16:03 PM)
Hi Steve- Are you hearing anything about the new hoops coach? Do you have a hunch? Kyle seems to think that Bobby Knight is a legitimate candidate. Do you?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:18:14 PM)
Yes, I think until Knight signs that contract, he is still in play. Texas Tech's actions on Wednesday were almost out of desperation -- who announces a contract extension while the coach is on vacation? There was a Knight quote connected to it like "this is the only place I want to be." Makes you wonder if that had all been cooked up ahead of time, then used even though OSU came open while Knight was gone. We'll see when he gets back, I guess. I still say I want to see that warm hug between he and Mike Davis at Assembly Hall and the obligatory Knight standing there and talking to him for 30 seconds like they were long lost old buds.
BuckeyeDave (Jun 11, 2004 1:18:25 PM)
Where do see Maurice Hall next season? Maybe kick-off and punt returns?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:19:21 PM)
Hopefully on the field. He missed the spring and I think they'll make a decision on him before camp starts. You just hope the knee problems have not limited his mobility and shiftiness. We didn't see the real Mo Hall last year. I like him on kick returns.
rbuck (Jun 11, 2004 1:19:24 PM)
How soon do you look for a coach to be hired?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:20:07 PM)
Today is June 11. My guess/hope is by June 24. That would give the coach a week or 2 to glad hand everybody, get on a Kroger commercial (just kidding), get organized and get on the road by early July.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:20:36 PM)
If it goes beyond that, they either can't get who they want or they're really botching it.
BuckeyeDave (Jun 11, 2004 1:20:42 PM)
Not Bobby Knight. Please not Bobby Knight. We don't need the hassles. He's like a older version of Maurice Clarett!
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:21:46 PM)
Knight would come with some baggage. But for an opportunity to come home to Ohio State and a chance to bash Indiana, you think he'd crawl back here. Money isn't an object for him. He moves product. Now the OSU blue hairs would all have to go buy a red sweater (like they all did at IU).
rbuck (Jun 11, 2004 1:21:52 PM)
Any updates on the basketball recruits and if they are still committed?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:22:55 PM)
We're working on that now. Published reports say Terwilliger is in as his Jackson-Wilson. Butler I expect to live up to his agreement, although he may be taking a wait-and-see approach. No word on Foster, who I don't think we've ever been able to reach. Gotta think he's still coming, too.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 1:23:08 PM)
What about George Karl? He seems an intriquing choice that I can't quite let go of. A lot of pro success. Good enough for North Carolina. What would be the down side?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:24:43 PM)
Karl's mouth sometimes gets him in trouble. He's just got that strange side of him that pops up every now and then. I don't think some like how he was the show when he moved from Seattle to Milwaukee and became the highest paid coach in the league, then didn't do squat with the Bucks and almost had a player revolt. Plus, as an NBA coach, he has no concept on recruiting or the rules. That works against him. Also, is this just a weigh station on his way back to the pros? Hmmm.
Inter_Pants (Jun 11, 2004 1:24:49 PM)
Maybe this was asked, but congratulations to Bauerman, what does this open up for getting a QB this year, and how good is this cinci guy and do you think Bill Stull will get an offer?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:26:22 PM)
I think Stull may get an offer, but probably not until camp or after they've sat down with Sanchez from Calif. to gauge whether he is truly interested. He's a potentially great one. As I said, they really only need 1 this year. Schoenhoft may be that guy, although he is also looking hard at MSU (with Smith there, who can blame him?). And I think Schlichter and Hartline next year also loom large for this program as well.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 1:26:32 PM)
What do you think of Jerry Francis? I don't know him much, and he wouldn't seem to be ready. Maybe Knight could come for a few years until he is ready. Knight would definitely be an entertaining trip. And would help fill the Schott.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:27:59 PM)
Francis was part of the Ayers regime that couldn't recruit and drove the thing right directly into the ground. Geiger remembers that. I like Francis personally and he may be doing some things at Prairie View. But he ain't coming back here any time soon. Knight would definitely be an entertaining trip and, yes, they'd fill the Schott for his antics.
Bellybuck (Jun 11, 2004 1:28:05 PM)
What are you hearing regarding the allegations against the program? In your opinion are we going to get hit hard-do you see us being banned from march madness or tv
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:29:57 PM)
I think it is way too soon to tell. The key thing is these are allegations. The NCAA will be speaking with all sides, I assume, to try and get to the bottom of it. If proven true, I think OSU could be headed for probation. But that is a big if. How can they (or this Salyers woman) prove much of what has been said? They don't ban you from TV any more, but they could miss the NCAA for a year or 2 over this. If I had to take a wild guess today, I'd say maybe a 30 percent chance of that happening. I don't think the O
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:30:15 PM)
O'Brien-Radojevic payment in and of itself is enough to warrant probation.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:30:28 PM)
Particularly since they have mitigated some damages by firing O'Brien.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 1:30:40 PM)
And what about Jim Cleamons? Is the thought to be head coach material? What is he thought to contribute to Phil Jackson's success? Is he a genius behind the scenes or just a hanger-on?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:32:36 PM)
Cleamons has grown up in this game. He was here with Gary Williams, then went to Youngstown State and I don't think that worked out very well. He has 8 NBA rings. He left Phil for a while and was the HC with the Mavs (that didn't go well, either), but Phil wanted him back. He'd be a great hire from the OSU and Columbus perspective as the hometown guy coming back. Not sure if he's a genius or a hanger-on. I've kind of viewed him always as the "soul" on Jackson's staffs, the guy who could relate to the MJs, Pippens and Kobes.
tsteele316 (Jun 11, 2004 1:32:59 PM)
has anybody speculated about what kind of possibly penalties the ncaa is thinking about? i know it is way too early, but there have been rumors floating around saying anywhere from a little overa slap on the wrist to border-line death penalty. have you heard anything tangible?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:34:02 PM)
Way too early to meaningfully speculate on any findings or penalties. No way this is death penalty. Could be a year or 2 of probation at most, from what I've seen. But all these claims have to be proven, too.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 1:34:13 PM)
but in Karl's case, we coudl probably afford for this to be a weigh station into the pro's. and perhaps he has had enough of the pro thing. but would he come (and stay) for a reasonable price? I don't know. but he would seem to be a different direction and a breath of fresh air.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:35:17 PM)
I agree. They would have nobody (other than maybe Knight) with as many games as a head coach under his belt. 16 years as an NBA HC is nothing to sneeze at. My number one thought is they need somebody competent, somebody clean and somebody we've all heard of. Is that too much to ask?
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 1:35:34 PM)
What kind of NCAA punishment would typically come with a head coach actually paying a player (or his parents)? This could be bad. Would it be worse than Michigan's slap on the wrist for more of a booster-based violation?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:37:06 PM)
I have no idea, to be honest. Michigan got more than a slap on the wrist, I thought. Several years of no NCAA really hurts trying to recruit. They're just now coming out of it. That's 5 years they haven't been a factor.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 1:37:17 PM)
I remember Malik Hairston (or his dad) quoted as saying that their were programs with "a lot of money floating around." What chance is there that Ohio State was one of those programs?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:37:34 PM)
I have nothing to show me that O'Brien ever did anything like this before or since.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 1:37:44 PM)
you don't think the payment to Radojevic would be enough to warrant probation? How so? it seems like it certainly would- and a potentially big one. I can't recall a Head Coach ever being caught red-handed paying a player. maybe a booster or an assistant or a mystery envelope, but not the head man himself. Seems like they would make an example of this.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:38:20 PM)
But the circumstances surrounding it were almost pitiful. The kid had already signed, his dad was dead and OSU has fired O'Brien for his transgressions.
edbuck51 (Jun 11, 2004 1:38:30 PM)
Sorry I'm late, got caught up in President Reagan's funeral. Is it confirmed that Marc Sanchez is visiting next week?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:39:04 PM)
That's the rumor. We'll try and track him down. Not sure if he's serious (it is a long way out here) or if this is just a courtesy visit to come back to Ohio with his buddy.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 1:39:13 PM)
with the penalties being potentially severe, we may be victims of the old Woody Allen line where we wouldn't want any head coach that would want us (in this situation, anyway).
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:41:15 PM)
They will be hiring a coach without knowing the NCAA sanctions, if any. That tells me they are going to have to do two things -- up the ante to get a good one and give him one free year for every year OSU is on probation (a la Michigan and Amaker). Or, and I don't even want to think about this, they will let somebody have the job as a "caretaker" (see Ellerbe, Brian) until they sort out the mess. That doesn't get you anywhere. Kentucky did the right thing by going to Pitino when the mess broke. He cleaned it up within a year or 2 and they were back deep in the NCAAs in no time. That's what they need to do here.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:41:55 PM)
Of course, having Jamal Mashburn didn't hurt, either (ha ha).
ILBUCK (Jun 11, 2004 1:42:05 PM)
Steve, which QB's do we have confirmed for the Ohio State Summer camp? Could possibly be a very impressive group of QB's!
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:42:57 PM)
Schoenhoft, I assume. Beyond that, I don't have a list. The first camp session starts next Friday. The senior-only deal isn't until the following weekend. Between now and then we'll be calling to see who is coming.
Bellybuck (Jun 11, 2004 1:43:01 PM)
If Bobby Knight is hired I bet the first thing he does is convince Nick Dials to stay-he loved that kid when we played t-tech this year. I also like Thad Matta alot and think that Gary Waters would be a good choice. Do you like those 2 guys?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:44:45 PM)
I agree. Nick Dials may get his spot back as a result of all of this. Boyages kind of pooh-poohed that the other day. Nobody can explain to me why they were all set to give Hairston that slot for 2-3 years, but Dials can't have it for the same time. They still had at least 3 to use this year (with top Ohioans like Raymond and Hillesland already off the board) and 5 the next year. What was the urgency in having a fourth schollie this year when you were showing no aptitude at all to fill all of those spots?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:45:45 PM)
Regarding Matta, he's my top choice. Why he isn't up here already taking the tour is beyond me. Waters is also a good to great one with what he's done at Kent and Rutgers. I think some might believe his success is "small time," however.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 1:45:52 PM)
No way in hell we could have Steve Alford back- ah, never mind.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:46:07 PM)
No, doesn't look like he's in this derby.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 1:46:18 PM)
How much would the NCAA be moved by "humanitarian concerns?" Could you share with us that side of the story? If it really was "the right thing to do," would that matter? of course, why the heck did he try to get his money back from Alex? maybe that was the stupid move in this. O'Brien is loaded and maybe should not have tried to re-coop his assistance. if he hadn't , we may not be talking about this now.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:47:06 PM)
Good points all. NCAA is taking on a kinder, gentler approach. Whether that will apply to straight cash payments to players remains to be seen (ha ha, I know, it ain't that funny).
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 1:47:18 PM)
good point about Ellerbe and Pitino. That being the case, maybe Karl would be the right move. and we could hook him up with a veteran assistant, perhaps former head coach type as a chief assistant. get don donaher or somebody out of mothballs.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:47:39 PM)
yep, good ideas, somebody to be the overseer and steer Karl the right way within college circles.
edbuck51 (Jun 11, 2004 1:47:49 PM)
The forums seemed pretty excited that Maurice Wells is leaning towards the Bucks. Wishful thinking?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:48:30 PM)
No, I think Ohio State has a legit shot at this kid. The family lives here in town. Legend has it Bill Conley was at the school, saw the tape and called back and said, "We have to offer today." He must be pretty good.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 1:48:36 PM)
Could we/ would we want to get Skip Prosser away from Wake? And how much should we be looking to a minority candidate? it would be great if we coudl find the right one.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:50:15 PM)
Prosser is an interesting name, certainly, with Ohio ties at Xavier. Cincinnati is loaded with talent and he'd be a good one to come in and mine (well, he or Matta). Minorities? Certainly Cleamons would fill that bill. Stan Heath, formerly of Kent now at Arkansas would also be a possibility. Would Hewitt leave Ga. Tech after a title game berth, especially with most everybody back? No, likely not.
ILBUCK (Jun 11, 2004 1:50:24 PM)
Steve, any early word on how the new RC is doing for us? Have recruits been as receptive with him as they were with Conley? What is the word from recruits at this point?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:50:58 PM)
Have not heard a peep about what's going on with Peterson. The May period just ended. I need to get an update from his perspective on how that went.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 1:51:08 PM)
Who do you think the top two or three guys that Geiger would realistically but idealistically have on his list?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:54:27 PM)
If Matta isn't at the top of the list, they aren't paying attention. So let's start there. Everybody initially said Sendek, but I don't see that (or want it, either). He suffered through 3-4 years at N.C. State (as you might expect in the ACC), just to get up to respectable in the last year or 2. I think Cleamons, as a former player, deserves some run. If Knight calls, Andy will answer. Where it goes from there would be anybody's guess. I do not want them to settle. I liked O'Brien. But his inability to get blue chip players in here -- guys that would have played at Ky. or UNC or Kansas -- kind of doomed Ohio State to always being around 20 wins. That's fine. What's wrong with flirting with 25 or 30? They have a golden opportunity to have a topflight basketball program with this hire. Go get the guy to make that happen or suffer the consequences of people continuing to say "It's just a football school."
redondo (Jun 11, 2004 1:55:04 PM)
Hi Steve - Sorry to read about your recent misfortune. Hang in there!!! Regarding Cleamons (don't get me wrong, I love Jim. I go back to the days of the salad days of the side-saddled free throw shooting he used to do at OSU), doesn't he have many of the same deficiencies you noted about Karl? namely, questions about recruiting skills and knowledge of the rules? And, can he relate to today's kids, meaning does he have the star power and charisma to offset the generational span? Thank you.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:56:53 PM)
We're hanging in. Now I know why we paid insurance premiums all these years. Cleamons would do fine in the recruiting wars. he would show off one of his 8 NBA rings and tell old Jordan and Kobe stories. He'd charm the socks off people ... and yet he's also got that Fred Taylor instilled him as well. He'd be a good fit as long as he is willing to work the college game (nonstop recruiting, conforming to the rules, etc.).
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 1:57:13 PM)
what kind of kid was boban? i have no idea. was he the kind of kid that would get involved in the wrong thing?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 1:58:18 PM)
Boban was a fun loving guy, from my perspective. He was always cutting up. I don't get the sense there was anything sinister about it, but he was a mischievous kid. He knew how to work the system to get what he needed, that was my take on him then (and obviously now).
ILBUCK (Jun 11, 2004 1:58:34 PM)
Steve, id be more interested in hearing from a recruits perspective on how it went. How to they like Peterson vs Conley or other coaches recruiting them. Being personable and organized is your first step to getting in the door with these recruits.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 2:00:31 PM)
The focus on Ohio State football recruiting is not on the coordinator. It's on Jim Tressel. It's his ship. That may be why Conley is no longer around. Yes, he does rely on the coordinator to do the nuts and bolts and each player still has a lead recruiter. But I sense more and more that key prospects have as many as 3 assistants assigned to them (location and position and maybe a coordinator for the good ones) and all have a Tressel story to tell (didn't have that same hands-on approach, perhaps, under Cooper).
edbuck51 (Jun 11, 2004 2:00:52 PM)
Do you really think Knight could work for Geiger? Those egos may not mix well.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 2:02:20 PM)
Geiger has said he may be done when his deal runs out in 2 years, although I bet Holbrook begs him to stay on (unless they feel it's finally Archie's turn). They are well acquainted (Knight and Geiger). Geiger has asked BK's advice on any number of things (tournament, last coaching switch, etc.). I think Knight would crawl back here and do and say all the right things to get this job.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 2:02:49 PM)
Maybe crawl isn't the right word, because we know he won't do that. But in his own way, I'm sure feelers have been put out.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 2:02:53 PM)
despite his record, what qualities do you think Matta has that makes him such a good choice?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 2:03:56 PM)
The record is a reflection, I believe. He's a hard worker. We've seen he can recruit (although Prosser certainly left a loaded gun with Sato, West and Chalmers). He is an effective program manager, the exact words Geiger used when he hired O'Brien.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 2:04:01 PM)
maybe Glenn Mason would take the job. : )
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 2:04:47 PM)
That joke has been making the rounds. Speaking of Mason, one magazine has them finishing in the top 10 in the country this year. Egads. With those RBs and improved defense, they may not be far off. Good thing they aren't on the sked this year, huh?
BuckeyeDave (Jun 11, 2004 2:04:55 PM)
Sure BK would "do and say all the right things" to get the job, but could he continue to do and say them to keep his job? We don't need to lose another coach 5 years down the road.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 2:05:30 PM)
You make a good point, He is 63, so how many more years can or will he go. Then again, Paterno is 78 going on 58, so maybe a while longer.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 2:05:39 PM)
Bobby Knight ending his career at Ohio State would be a poetic story. It would make sense- provided he wouldn't get fired for smacking some high school salad bar attendant. Him getting Dean Smithj
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 2:06:41 PM)
I know what you were going to say: Him getting Dean Smith's record while coaching for OSU would be a tremendous feat. He's had a love-hate relationship with the people here. Think about all of the things he's done -- good and bad. He's got quite a legacy.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 2:06:44 PM)
Him getting dean smith's record at OSU would be quite a story. and his legacy shouldn't end in Lubbock, Texas- for god's sake.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 2:09:05 PM)
A Knight story: In 1993, the Big Ten had its preseason basketball press meetings at IUPUI. The hospital was right across the street from the hotel. A woman walked up to Knight in the lobby and said her husband was across the street having heart surgery. Knight summoned his lackey for a copy of his book. He asked what his name was, personalized an autograph, handed the woman the book and walked out the door. She took one look at it and went combustible right into hysterics she was crying over such a gesture. That was the regard those people held that man in that state.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 2:09:28 PM)
maybe he coudl get it against Indiana!!
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 2:09:33 PM)
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 2:09:57 PM)
Yeah, on Feb. 20, 2006, at Assembly Hall on CBS. Sounds good to me. Let's go.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 2:10:06 PM)
although realistically, Knight is a transition coach who would likely coach a 20-ish win, first or second round tournament team. his 1976 days are over. we would soon have to identify the next guy.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 2:10:12 PM)
or iowa and alford
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 2:10:38 PM)
Yep, you make a good point. He wouldn't be here 10 years, that is probably true. Does that mean Pat Knight would be next?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 2:10:58 PM)
I wonder if staying at Texas Tech is a way for Bob to hand off to Pat in 3-4 years.
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 2:11:01 PM)
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 2:11:08 PM)
Anything else today?
fountainhead (Jun 11, 2004 2:12:01 PM)
did you make a final prediction on who would get the job?
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 2:12:39 PM)
No, I can't see that far into the future. My pick is Thad Matta. Everybody picked Huggins last time and he didn't even get a sniff. But this guy comes with no baggage.
Guest (Jun 11, 2004 2:12:42 PM)
BuckeyeDave (Jun 11, 2004 2:12:45 PM)
Gotta go. Thanks for the chat! Have a great weekend.
SteveHelwagen (Jun 11, 2004 2:13:06 PM)
Thanks again everybody. We'll see you next time.