Is there any gut feeling about schoienhoft or sanchez, Id prefer schoenhoft since he is an ohio kid
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:05:27 PM)
I have never seen Sanchez throw a pass. He is real impressive to see him in person and to talk to him. I could not make that judgement. I think Insiders has Sanchez No. 1 QB nationally (and so does Brand X, I believe). Both great kids. Both have faced some great competition. Let's see how they do this fall, although RS is talking like he wants to decide before his season starts.
BuckeyeDave (Jul 2, 2004 1:05:32 PM)
We don't really have a legitimate shot at Sanchez, do we?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:05:41 PM)
Why do you say that?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:05:57 PM)
Not being mean, just asking if there was some new report I had not seen.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:06:59 PM)
He told me his top schools were Ohio State, USC, Notre Dame, Texas and some have added Nebraska in that mix, even though they got Harrison Beck. He told me his unofficial would put OSU at or near the very top of his list.
rbuck (Jul 2, 2004 1:07:07 PM)
Hi Steve, Are you disappointed with how things are shaking out around the football program?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:07:58 PM)
Don't know what you are alluding to regarding OSU football. They seem to be doing fine to me. Can you enlighten me on what I should or might be disappointed about, please.
buckeyenole (Jul 2, 2004 1:08:06 PM)
What's the status of the OL? I heard Brewster is definitely NOT going to get an interview. No one has yet to mention anything about Duane's mystery OL geer or greer. Are Wilson and Bemoll gonna pull the trigger? Has Hennis shot up the board? Do we take 3,4, or 5?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:10:04 PM)
I think they take at least 3, maybe 4. Don't write Brewster off just yet. He just didn't get one this past weekend. He needs to tone up and have a good senior year. He could still back door his way in. I know nothing about Geer or Greer (sorry). Would be great to get Wilson or Bemoll. HH thinks OSU is school to beat for Wilson. Bemoll comes in in a week or so. Maybe we'll know more then. If OSU had not offered him, they were very close to doing so. No, I don't see Hennis shooting up the board, either.
slimkid (Jul 2, 2004 1:10:11 PM)
The O-Zone put out a story yesterday on a new Football Parents Association, which has been started by Mangold's father. Have you heard of this? What's your take on it?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:11:12 PM)
Very positive support group for the parents. They can discuss team policies, academic support, preparing for pros, agents, travel to away games, team family functions, etc. I think the parents are excited to have their own group to share ideas on these important matters.
redondo (Jul 2, 2004 1:11:16 PM)
Hi Steve - Interesting take on the Buckeye Grove article on Bball coach recruiting. One element that surprised me a bit that was not addressed was a viewpoint on the search methodology. My belief is that had AG targeted a candidate (say, for example, the way UNC targeted Roy Williams) and pursued him, there would be a coach somewhere near the first tier of possibilities in place by now. I'm contrasting this with the seemingly endless parade of interviews, final interviews, etc. I think the protracted process as much as if not more so than the situation is going to result in a sub-optimal hire. Your take? Thank you.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:13:34 PM)
I agree 100 percent. Somebody said UNC didn't interview Roy. The Lakers really haven't interviewed Coach K. They just flew in and offered him the job. What was there to know or find out about Knight? You know he's an ass from the jump. It's this "we're Ohio State, kiss this ring" situation that we've seen time and time again. Granted, Geiger and Holbrook want somebody they can be comfortable with. Then THEY needed to get out there and make the contacts, not expect somebody with a great job to risk that by flying here.
Inter Pants (Jul 2, 2004 1:13:41 PM)
2nd question, it doesn't seem like we have as many RBs considering us as michigan does, if were more of a run oriented team, how come the insiders doesn't show that many backs interested?? Maybe im smoking crack and am wrong, but just a perception
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:14:46 PM)
No, I think you're right. Ohio State has put its eggs in Maurice Wells' basket it looks like. We know they also like Chris Wells for next year. But after Ross and Hall leave, they only have Pittman and Haw (and Kennedy, provided he makes the grades). They need 1-2 in this class.
buckeyenole (Jul 2, 2004 1:14:55 PM)
Steve, there was a poster from SC, who is pretty reliable, that said his top choices were SC and Tejas, but every other thing I've seen says Sanchez is up in the air between the first two I mentioned and OSU and ND.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:15:39 PM)
I don't mean to go Gary on you here, but who are you going to believe: Some poster from SC or me, who has talked directly to the kid and heard him practically elated by the fact he came out here to check it out.
BuckeyeDave (Jul 2, 2004 1:15:52 PM)
I can't imagine a top rated Ca kid going anywhere besides U$C, given how strong they are now.
buckeyenole (Jul 2, 2004 1:17:00 PM)
How do we look with Lymon out of Fort Wayne? Do we have a realistic shot?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:17:41 PM)
He says he liked Michigan as a kid. OSU, Wisconsin and Purdue are all right there, too. If they get him in for a visit, they have a legit shot. Sounds like he'd be a good one to come and visit in Nov. for The Game.
crazybuck15 (Jul 2, 2004 1:17:45 PM)
Steve, this might have already been asked but do you have any new news on Sanchez and Wells? Thanks.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:18:41 PM)
No, have not spoken to either of them in at least week or 10 days. There are so many guys on OSU's radar right now, it's hard to get them all called. Wells seems to be between Georgia Tech and OSU. Sanchez likes OSU, ND, Nebraska, Texas and USC.
rbuck (Jul 2, 2004 1:18:48 PM)
Brain fart, I meant to say the Basketball program, meaning the search for a head coach sorry for the confusion.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:20:43 PM)
I figured as much. I made some of my sentiments known in the Buckeye Grove. They tried this with Fred Taylor in 1973, going academic or whatever that was his last 3 years. This is a mess. I'm not saying you have to sacrifice standards to win games. That's ridiculous, too. But how about a happy medium? Get a coach who wins and graduates his players. There's somebody out there somewhere doing both, isn't there? They wanted a 19,000-seat building, then don't want to do the things they need to do to fill it. Make up your mind.
bucki (Jul 2, 2004 1:21:05 PM)
steve do you agree on this pecking order of qb's sanchez,scheoncroft,forcier,davis,stull?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:22:00 PM)
You slipped somebody named Davis in there on me. Otherwise, that sounds about right.
slimkid (Jul 2, 2004 1:22:08 PM)
"I don't mean to go Gary on you here," -- hilarious!
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:22:27 PM)
That is what he used to say when people would question his info ... ha ha.
buckeyenole (Jul 2, 2004 1:22:40 PM)
Stephen Gowland is a TE from GA (6-4 or 5 and 220, 4.59 40ydd) who seemed only interested in southern schools but on another buckeye sight posted on a board saying that he's opened things up and is seriously considering the buckeyes. He seems like the perfect TE prospect to me: he comes from a run oriented team, so he blocks a lot; he still managed to catch 20 balls last year I forget the yardage; he's a good student who's already qualified; his dad said he
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:24:34 PM)
Seems kind of like a Ryan Hamby type. I like him. He only has offers from Wake, Troy State and OSU. I bet Auburn, Florida and Georgia will probably bite, too, soon. When that happens, we'll see if OSU gets shuffled down the list.
MachoManVandySavage (Jul 2, 2004 1:24:44 PM)
What's the perception of Kevin Stallings in Buckeye Country? Where do you think he is in the coaching vacancy?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:27:37 PM)
Stallings gets high marks. Of the names that are left (Stallings, Wilson, Dunphy, Cleamons, Boyages), he may be the most attractive. His season this past year at Vandy was nothing to sneeze at. They did go Sweet 16 and they did beat Indiana, Michigan (nice prerequisites for this job) as well as the top 2 in the SEC in Ky-Ball and Miss.State. They beat N.C. State to get to the Sweet 16, some called it an upset but I had that one pegged all the way. I'd say he's the best of the current lot. I know Vandy fans kind of wanted him out before this past year, now they don't want to lose him. Gee runs hot and cold on athletics. I think they're gonna run real hot to try and keep him. Plus, Vandy should be good again this year. Tough call for him if he's offered the job.
edbuck51 (Jul 2, 2004 1:28:05 PM)
It seems the only offers to come out of camp were Hartline and Wilson. Does that sound right to you ? When would you guess the next round of offers will be coming, or are the Bucks basically going to focus on who they have already offered?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:31:07 PM)
Well they don't have an abundance of scholarships at their disposal. They probably offered 2 Wilsons (one from Fla. and one from SVSM). we'll keep digging to see if there were any others. I believe they intimated to Lenix he'll have one too and he's OSU if and when that happens. I don't see a lot of urgency to offer just for the sake of offering. They are in good shape on some really good players.
Guest (Jul 2, 2004 1:31:16 PM)
Steve seen any tape of W/R Amos out of middletown
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:31:57 PM)
No, as some of you know the coaching situation at that school was or still may be in a state of flux, so we haven't seen him (at least I haven't). He must be good for OSU to offer early like this.
bubba404040 (Jul 2, 2004 1:32:04 PM)
how scary will the punting be this year? after the punting performances in this year's special teams scrimmage, do you think most fans at the games will head to the restrooms on 4th down rather than seeing punt after punt blocked?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:34:19 PM)
Yeah, kind of scary. I don't think OSU will surrender a lot of punt blocks. That happened in the spring game because the team was split up and it's easier to line up and go get it, rather than set up a protection team on 2 days notice. My concern will be with who is punting. I wonder if Huston, Turano and Trapasso will battle inconsistency problems all year and it will be a revolving door, giving rise to the old comments like, "You would think at a school of 50,000 people they could find somebody capable of punting the ball."
redondo (Jul 2, 2004 1:34:26 PM)
Hi Steve - Do you think JT has a sense of urgency associated with the need to recruit one or more impact players on offense? If so, what tactical changes, if any, have you seen or would suggest to be more successful getting difference makers on the offenisve side of the ball? Thank you.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:36:22 PM)
No, I don't sense that. I think the change JT alluded to was toughness. They want mentally tough kids (i.e. opposite of a couple knuckleheads currently facing charges). I think they're doing fine. Haw and Pittman may be the best RB tandem recruited anywhere this year. If Dukes is better than Holmes (like they say), watch out. They're in on 2 of the top 5 QBs in the country with Sanchez and Schoenhoft, both great kids. I think they're OL recruiting has been about a 7 or 8 on a scale of 1-10, so they're doing the right things.
buckeyenole (Jul 2, 2004 1:36:30 PM)
the rest of Stephen Gowland (I hit return by accident), his dad says he's only lost 4 games of organized football and each loss has motivated him to get better. Have you heard anything about this kid, especially from the staff? Was he at the camp?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:36:52 PM)
Not sure if he was at camp or not. All I know is what I told you earlier from our database.
slimkid (Jul 2, 2004 1:36:56 PM)
If things do not pan out with Maurice Wells, what RBs are the second, third and fourth choices? With Ringer and Sutton apparently on the outs, who else is a target? Hinging everything on M. Wells seems like a risky move.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:39:17 PM)
Man, that is tough. Maybe Alex Daniels gets a look at RB, although he wants to play safety. Maybe Dennis Underwood from St. Thomas Aquinas in Louisville, O. That is a great question. There does not seem to be any type of backup plan.
madman (Jul 2, 2004 1:39:29 PM)
I'm late...Happy 4th
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:39:37 PM)
Happy 4th to you too.
bucki (Jul 2, 2004 1:40:28 PM)
steve i know you will not mention the kid that you saw at camp that will not get a offer reading between the line of gary's chat i think i know who it is any other ohio lineman you think could be offered?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:44:58 PM)
That's really hard to say. Maybe Cironi from Harding. I like him, but he needs to add some weight. I think Rick Ingold, Robert Brewster and Hennis are still possibilities. But there seems to be no urgency to early offer anybody else.
edbuck51 (Jul 2, 2004 1:45:04 PM)
Did you get to watch the OLs at camp? If yes, what was your impression of Wilson, and were you impressed with any others?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:45:38 PM)
Wilson and I never connected. He is 315-plus I understand, which would be kind of a departure for this staff to go after a big guy. He must have been impressive.
buckeyenole (Jul 2, 2004 1:46:04 PM)
Who's davis at QB? I don't recall hearing that name. What about Scherer from IN?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:46:42 PM)
You got me on both counts. I have vaguely heard mention of somebody names Scherer, but nothing rings a bell.
Guest (Jul 2, 2004 1:47:57 PM)
Greetings Steve! -- Hoops ??? -- Do you believe there is anything to the theory that AG was told there had to be a "process". That at least some of the names popping up are just part of the "process". And, that maybe a Crean or someone other then on the current radar will be brought in at the end of the "process" & named coach???????????
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:48:50 PM)
Well that would be fine if that's how they do it. A process all but ruled out Knight. There are rumors making the rounds that Crean is still in this thing. We shall see I guess. But I think your point is valid.
buckeyenole (Jul 2, 2004 1:48:56 PM)
Steve, I wasn't questioning your info on Sanchez. You asked why someone would not feel good about him and I just told you.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:49:40 PM)
I see, no problem. I was just joking. I honestly wasn't sure if there was some new report out there with quotes of the kid saying he wasn't looking at OSU quite as strongly.
buckeyenole (Jul 2, 2004 1:49:50 PM)
I've been Gary'ed!!!!! Smile.
Guest (Jul 2, 2004 1:49:55 PM)
What do you think of the commitment of Hartline and his abilities?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:51:35 PM)
Great kid, great athlete, national caliber hurdler in track, Kind of wiry. Should easily gain 10 pounds and be a nice contributor. Nice size at 6-3, 175. I bet he ends up 6-3 or 6-4 and around 190 or so and just has a nice career for OSU. Has kind of an infectious attitude for the game. He and the Glenville guys seem tight from track circuit.
Guest (Jul 2, 2004 1:53:15 PM)
whats the latest on the coaching situation
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:54:16 PM)
All's quiet on the western front. There are rumors they might try and slide Crean in. But then you hear rumors they don't like his "dictatorial" style (a la the Izz), Can't argue with the results. Doesn't seem like anything will happen before Monday now.
edbuck51 (Jul 2, 2004 1:54:27 PM)
Let's assume D.Williams and Rouse aren't coming to OSU. Then we are trying for Sylmon. How many do you think they want, and are they in on enough guys to fill the need?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:56:13 PM)
Well, they just took Hartline. There's a chance Ginn may be a WR at OSU. I think if they can get 1-2 more, that's all they will need. They have offers out there for Amos and Robiskie, it seems. I liked what I saw of J.Sharps from Westerville at the camp. Looks like Orton is on the back burner.
Guest (Jul 2, 2004 1:56:23 PM)
Steve, when is the Elite 11 camp? The reason I'm asking is that I heard from a good source that Sanchez may announce prior to or during camp? Have you heard anything?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:56:30 PM)
The camp is in late July.
Guest (Jul 2, 2004 1:56:36 PM)
Greetings Steve! -- Hoops ??? -- Surprise -- LOL -- What are thoughts on the following rumblings I have been hearing? AG was given instructions that there had to be a "process" for the coaching search. Some (not all - especially Stallings) of the names popping up are simply part of the "process". That a Crean or another name may well show up at the end of the "process" as the man. Thoughts???
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:56:59 PM)
That was asked and answered, I think, sorry for reposting.
buckeyenole (Jul 2, 2004 1:57:06 PM)
Gowland said he was recently offered by Auburn but doesn't like the system, depth chart and doesn't see the Tigers rolling out the "War Eagle" in a championship game anytime soon. Was asked about how he liked the fact that OSU sends so many players to the league and he said that was nice but he'd trade being in the NFL for a NC in college. From what I've heard UF and GA are the teams to beat, but I wonder if GA will.
Guest (Jul 2, 2004 1:57:27 PM)
Who do you see being a break out player this year?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 1:58:44 PM)
Breakout guys this year? From the freshman class, Ginn, Freeman (if healthy, there were indications he may have been dinged in the spring), Haw and Pittman. Overall, Carpenter, Whitner, Underwood, Richardson and/or Frost (they were TOUGH in the spring), Hollins.
buckeyenole (Jul 2, 2004 1:58:55 PM)
Have you heard anything about the PA group of Kids: Mathis (LB), King (CB/RB), Stull (QB), Bright (DT, maybe academics will keep him out), White (FB), and Simpson, (RB)?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:00:00 PM)
King was here for camp but did not participate. He and Lyons are tight. OSU probably has a 25 percent chance there. Seems like Stull is down the line for OSU at QB. Bright seems to be looking elsewhere. Mathis, White and Simpson, I haven't a clue.
buckeyenole (Jul 2, 2004 2:00:05 PM)
I'm less worried about blocks than 10 yd shank after shank.
BuckeyeDave (Jul 2, 2004 2:00:13 PM)
One Hartline may lead to another? Now that Brian has verballed, do we get Mike? Can Mike cut it at Ohio St or will it be another Bellisari fiasco?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:01:20 PM)
Mike has 2 years of high school left. Their team really picked up when he replaced Brian at QB and Brian started catching balls instead of throwing them. Mike is a stick figure. He needs to gain 20 pounds, easy, over the next 2 years. But he has the frame and athletic ability and a pretty good arm. He will develop nicely at GlenOak.
buckeyenole (Jul 2, 2004 2:01:34 PM)
Do we ever employ the zone run blocking system that Minn and Iowa use? They've both given scUM a run for their money the last two years and I wonder if we could use it this year to take a little pressure off the newbies. Is it harder or easier to use? It's seems effective.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:04:05 PM)
OSU's biggest problem with run blocking was the opponent had no respect for OSU's passing game. 6 guys can't block 8 or 9. Not possible. If the Buckeyes have a threat of balance, with this line they will run the ball all day. Bollman will devise a sound blocking scheme. Last year it did not seem sound because they couldn't go anywhere on the ground. That is because the opponents had no respect for the passing game at all (plus, they knew they had to be more wary of the QB running the ball after the Miami game).
MachoManVandySavage (Jul 2, 2004 2:04:23 PM)
Actually, there might have been a few fans that wanted him gone, but most people realized that he had a young team the year before with no seniors. And as far as his overall record at VU, when he came here the basketball program was in shambles due to Jan Van Breda Kolff. It won't be a matter of money if he leaves VU. They are willing to shell out the dough. What makes the OSU job so attractive right now? Can't tOSU expect to see some kind of penalty from the NCAA? Why would a coach want to come there when that is going to occur and the fact that (from viewing message boards) Andy Geiger, the one who is hiring, might not make it out of this with a job? And it also looks like its a rebuilding job? Will the alums allow the next coach enough time to turn it around?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:06:30 PM)
Ohio State has its advantages. The money will be good. Columbus is a great city (of course, so is Nashville). The talent is in place to win 20 games. It is the Big Ten, so there is a ton of exposure (you'll note that the entire BT tournament is on national TV, only the SEC tourney title game merits national coverage). Plus, Ohio is about to produce 5-6 national top 100 players in the next 3 years.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:06:47 PM)
The high schools in Ohio are rife with talented bkb talent.
KBuck (Jul 2, 2004 2:06:58 PM)
Steve, I get nervous when players commit then say they're a "soft commit" then take other visits a la Jamario O'Neil. Do you think he's an absolute OSU lock?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:07:46 PM)
Yes, I think he's coming here. Put yourself in his shoes. He knows everybody wants him. Why not spend a weekend on their dime? Coach Ginn is like a dad to him and it will be Ohio State and only Ohio State for JON.
Seabus (Jul 2, 2004 2:07:50 PM)
Steve, just joining, not sure if you guys have touched on this, but what about this Miamisburg kid Bruton going to ND?? Is this a possible loss for the Buckeyes or did we get him in camp and just weren't interested in offering him? Any insights are appreciated.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:08:28 PM)
Not sure how they wouldn't be interested in him. He dominated the drills I saw on Sunday. He projects at safety. That could be the rub. They are pretty stacked at safety.
crazynuts (Jul 2, 2004 2:08:32 PM)
Steve great analysis in the Buckeye Grove about the state of coaching in the Big Ten
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:10:04 PM)
Thanks, it just dawned on me that this entire conference has failed (and in spectacular fashion) when it's come down to luring "big name coaches." Remember, Michigan floated Pitino's name. Louisville anted up (and it has paid off handsomely). These hires are just the nature of this league, very understated and very conservative. The whole conference is like a sleeping giant in basketball.
Savante (Jul 2, 2004 2:10:28 PM)
Do you think we offered Daniels as a S, or as a LB? Or just as a player? For that mater.. does whatever position we're recruiting him at affect his decision?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:11:43 PM)
I think OSU likes him as an LB or DE maybe down the line. He wants to play S. Yes, the position may impact that decision. Oklahoma has him slotted where he wants to be, at safety. The kid is changing high schools from M-F to Brookhaven this year, so he isn't afraid to take a leap (i.e. do something like shun the hometown school to go to Oklahoma if need be).
crazynuts (Jul 2, 2004 2:11:51 PM)
But OSU needs to hire someone with a great record if they are fishing in the Penn, Rice, and Vandy pond!!
Guest (Jul 2, 2004 2:11:59 PM)
I have read that the Bucks will be offering 2 QB's this class? How do you think this will go down?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:13:29 PM)
I think they will get either Schoenhoft or Sanchez. I can't say which, but I have a good vibe that one of those 2 outstanding QBs are coming this way. I really like Forcier as well. He may not want to be a consolation prize, though (i.e. viewed as the career backup). Really, one this year would be fine with Hartline and Schlichter possibly in the pipeline for '06.
DAYTONBUCK (Jul 2, 2004 2:13:37 PM)
Are there any top notch tight ends that we are after? The best one signed with Miami and it doesnt look like we are on the lists of any others. We play the 2 tight end and since we lost Louis, we could be in trouble at that position.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:15:44 PM)
DaytonBuck, good to see you. I have an update coming on Tim McAvoy from Illinois. I like him a lot. He was at the camp. Lot of talk about Stephen Gowland from Ga. and mayve Derek Hardman from W.Va. OSU has had some good luck with kids from W.Va-Ky. region lately.
KBuck (Jul 2, 2004 2:15:54 PM)
At this time I think it would be in the best long term interest of the basketball program to name Rick Boyages interim coach for this year, then re-evaluate the situation at the end of next year. That way the year of probation (likely) will be over and the timing to hire another coach will be much better. What do you think of this idea?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:17:41 PM)
I think it's a possibility and if Rick screws up and goes, say, 24-6, then he can have it and everybody would be happy. He is a great guy and a hard worker. The only knock is recruiting. He's probably only done that full-time for 5 years or so. Only thing is recruiting with this scenario. You have 9 schollies available over this year and next. I'd think it would be hard to fill those with such uncertainty.
DAYTONBUCK (Jul 2, 2004 2:17:55 PM)
What are our chances with getting Sanchez and Wells? They are tops at their respective positions and with the ones we already have I think we would be a top 5 class.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:18:46 PM)
Sanchez probably 30 percent and Wells sounds like 40-50 percent. I agree, this class has the potential to be dynamite if things fall the right way. There will be some setbacks along the way, but it could be really good.
gmoney (Jul 2, 2004 2:18:53 PM)
JT did not do a group scholly offer this year at camp similar to what he did with the OL recruits the lst year or two?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:18:59 PM)
No, haven't heard that.
Dr. Brutus (Jul 2, 2004 2:19:03 PM)
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:19:10 PM)
What's up with you?
scribeohio (Jul 2, 2004 2:19:16 PM)
OSU offered Ray ('Red') Herring (per Rivals), WR from Fla. Anyone know about him?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:19:32 PM)
that is a development if true. I have no info on him.
gmoney (Jul 2, 2004 2:19:52 PM)
What about Bill Stull?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:20:23 PM)
Didn't camp at OSU and that has to hurt his chances. Maybe he saw the handwriting on the wall. No excuse when they have camp for 10 days. Could have come any of those days.
buckeyenole (Jul 2, 2004 2:20:31 PM)
Is Underwood still gonna be under consideration if he doesn't get to play FB this HS season b/c he's too old? I heard he looked good at camp, would that pull him through?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:21:32 PM)
Yes, I don't think that factors into it. It would be just like he was injured for his senior year. McNutt missed his senior year and he still was offered and signed because everybody knew he could play.
scribeohio (Jul 2, 2004 2:21:42 PM)
Sanchez/dad are supposed to talk to Petey this week regarding the QB situation and dog Chow's long term status. W coast gurus seem to naturally think Mark's headed to USC/Tejas
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:22:51 PM)
Good for them. He told me OSU was at or near the very top of his list. OSU only has 3 QBs and, the way it sets up, Sanchez could be a starter for as long as 3 years here (07-09). That's a nice opportunity (and, no, not taking anything away from Boeckman, either).
Dr. Brutus (Jul 2, 2004 2:23:14 PM)
Sorry, I came here a little late. I don't know if it's been discussed, but who do you feel is the best QB prospect for 2006? Even though we are interested in Hartline and Schlichter, will these two be top QB prospects nationally?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:25:15 PM)
I can't speculate about where they would rank nationally. I think Duane gives Schlichter a slight edge. He is special, let me say that. Great kid, carries himself well, has a great arm, tad bit undersized, athletic (like his uncle). Looks like a winner. I want to watch Miami Trace closely this year and see how he progresses. Hartline I have discussed. has the size at 6-5. Needs to fill out, but could be dynamite a year from now. This one is probably too close to call. Remember, they have 2 years of prep ball left.
Savante (Jul 2, 2004 2:25:43 PM)
Apologize if this has already been asked, but who do you think is our next commit, and when Just kind of curious, I love watching our recruiting class fill out.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:25:56 PM)
Man, that's tough ....
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:27:25 PM)
Maybe Bemoll if he comes here and likes it. Maybe DL Lawrence Wilson from SVSM. Maybe Lenix if they come through with the written offer. Maybe Daniels if they do likewise. Maybe Myers-White, although he wants to take some visits. Ohio is about tapped out and the OOS kids usually want to make an official before they verbal sight unseen.
Dr. Brutus (Jul 2, 2004 2:27:37 PM)
I did see a quote on Buckeyesports.com by his teammate in CA, and he said "Sanchez's top choice is OSU"
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:27:52 PM)
That is good news if it's true.
gmoney (Jul 2, 2004 2:27:56 PM)
Who is the best out of Orton, Robiskie, Lyman, Russell, and Amos?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:28:24 PM)
Probably Robiskie, Lyman and Amos. That's who the OSU coaches have apparently targeted for offers.
gmoney (Jul 2, 2004 2:29:02 PM)
Did Irrizary go to YSU?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:29:32 PM)
That is what has been alleged. Good place for him to sort it out and take a year away from football. That's what I am hearing he will do.
Dr. Buckeye (Jul 2, 2004 2:29:45 PM)
There seems to be a paucity of choice WR commits to OSU in the past couple of years (except Hartline, of course). What does Ohio have coming down the pike in terms of WR talent in the next 3 yrs. Do you think if Zwick is successful, we will see a change in the offense? It seems that the "scuttlebutt" among the recruits is that OSU is not the place for a prime WR...
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:31:56 PM)
David Lighty would be one of the nation's best if he plays football. Some say he will only play basketball and some say he favors Michigan anyway. Hey, they got Lyons and Dukes, who some like better than Holmes. They'll get a good one to go with Hartline, mark my words.
Kizzer (Jul 2, 2004 2:32:02 PM)
How intererested are big ten schools in small school kids such as Schumacker from Delphos St. Johns and Magg from Columbus Grove?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:32:47 PM)
Shumaker looked good as a possible FB candidate. I bet he goes Big Ten or, at worst, high end MAC like BG or Toledo. Not sure about Maag. I think he may have been at the camp but I didn't see him.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:33:17 PM)
I have 10 questions left and we're 90 minutes in. Any last ??? send now.
Guest (Jul 2, 2004 2:34:03 PM)
Did Daniels look fast at camp? I wasn't sure how fast he was watching his video.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:34:44 PM)
I heard his 40 was in the 4.5 range, I believe. Not bad for a guy his size (215-220, I believe). He is a specimen, no doubt.
gmoney (Jul 2, 2004 2:34:49 PM)
Is academics overshadowing our search for the next coach. Penn, Rice, Vandy are all excellent schools academically.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:36:48 PM)
Yes, it seems to be. But, come on, that's not the worst aim in the world. Everybody wants a program that goes to the Final Four every 3-4 years and wins the Big Ten every other year. But as long as they can get into the NCAA 3 of every 4 years, I think you have a nice program. You can't get to the Final Four if you aren't in the tournament. Baby steps, I guess.
Guest (Jul 2, 2004 2:36:51 PM)
Will the coaches be able to talk to Kevin Bemoll when he visits in July?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:37:05 PM)
Yes, if he comes for an unofficial and comes to them, they can talk to him.
MooneyRB (Jul 2, 2004 2:37:11 PM)
Steve, any clue what's going on with Lenix out of Glenville, rumor starting to spread is that he has an offer?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:38:10 PM)
Sounds like Tucker/Tressel are offering him verbally right now. Maybe he needs to clean up some academics. They know he's their's when they pull the trigger. They're just keeping him on the line and making sure he stays pointed forward (a favor to Papa Ginn, probably, as much as anything).
buckeyenole (Jul 2, 2004 2:38:16 PM)
Have you heard anything about Worthington? Are we the team to beat for his services?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:38:55 PM)
Have not heard that myself. He'd be a great one to get. Has a flock of great offers.
crazynuts (Jul 2, 2004 2:39:02 PM)
I agree with KBuck, I find this basketball situation really frustrating. They need to hire a guy who can turn this around. OSU hoops is so down I can barely find any friends who know anything about the program anymore.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:39:34 PM)
Yes, it's kind of like the Eldon years all over again. They went from a 1 in intensity with Eldon to a 9 with Gary Williams.
Guest (Jul 2, 2004 2:39:45 PM)
What are your feelings about the o-lineman from KY (Zorley/Corely)?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:41:36 PM)
Cory Zirbel from Murray is like 6-5, 290. He says OSU, Miami and Michigan are his top 3. He camped at OSU. He'd be a great get, obviously.
Kizzer (Jul 2, 2004 2:41:42 PM)
Why didn't tressel show any love to Mister Simpson and the rest of southwest ohio?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:44:02 PM)
No idea why they didn't pursue Simpson. He may be undersized to play FB, so he'll go to Michigan and just be the next B.J. Askew, I guess. They offered AMW out of Hamilton and 2 Underwoods, didn't they? They haven't offered the C-J kids Harrison and Ringer and must have valid reasons. Brewster isn't out of the picture yet. He just needs to tone it down. Believe me, if the state's top player was from Cincinnati, he'd have an offer.
BuckeyeDave (Jul 2, 2004 2:44:15 PM)
Doesn't Pete Craaoll have a rep for offering the world and then not delivering?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:45:01 PM)
The thing you hear is how they told Jarrett, Davis and other WRs "You are our number one guy at receiver." That's how the game is played though ... until each kid is quoted as saying it on the Internet and the coach gets egg on his face.
scribeohio (Jul 2, 2004 2:45:18 PM)
Sorry, Steve. I cut off. Sanchez is also trying to visit Tejas. He/dad seem to want to get to the bottom of things which may suggest a summer decision. Hope that helps us.
buckeyenole (Jul 2, 2004 2:45:25 PM)
Do you know who Robiskie prefers us or miami?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:45:38 PM)
I need to contact him. Obviously good he was at camp,
Kizzer (Jul 2, 2004 2:45:42 PM)
I've been hearing talk about a punter/kicker from Hardin Northern coming in this fall as a Grayshirt. Heard anything?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:46:00 PM)
Wouldn't surprise me. Vaguely recall seeing such a kid at a game last fall.
buckeyenole (Jul 2, 2004 2:46:04 PM)
What about Greg Keys? Does he play B10 football?
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:46:27 PM)
Keys is a great athlete, no doubt. I know Duane likes him a lot. Not sure where his college choices are right now.
crazynuts (Jul 2, 2004 2:46:34 PM)
Steve, please let's include my Miami in the list of high end MAC schools!!
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:46:39 PM)
Yes, my apologies.
Dr. Buckeye (Jul 2, 2004 2:46:44 PM)
About BB, just wanted to make a comment. What makes a University great is EXCELLENCE. What Gee and Holbrook fail to realize is that we all have unique God-given talents, each different, but all make this planet a more interesting place. Jordan, Bryant, and Scoonie Penn didn't take graduate level math courses, but they still have enriched my life. If Holbrook wants to make OSU a better place, she needs to make each individual department better, based on their individual talents. Does it make sense to give a physics scholarship to a candidate who can bench less than 200lbs and a 40 time better than 6 seconds? We all can contribute.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:47:11 PM)
gmoney (Jul 2, 2004 2:47:27 PM)
Any other Ohio OL worthy of offers??
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:47:50 PM)
Maybe Cironi, Ingold, Brewster or Hennis, but it may take overwhelming game tape to get it.
SteveHelwagen (Jul 2, 2004 2:48:57 PM)
If there is nothing else, I am clocking out to begin the holiday weekend. Thanks to everybody who participated. For the first timers, we do this every Friday. Also, those who are not subscribers can get a taste of this week's Buckeye Grove on the free Hoops Board as part of the Insiders free trial holiday weekend.