Helwagen Chat: Aug. 27 Archive

We have excerpts from today's Chat session with Bucknuts.com managing editor Steve Helwagen. He conducts these Chat sessions each Friday for Bucknuts.com subscribers. Click here for the archive.

osubucks22 (Aug 27, 2004 1:06:22 PM)
Steve, I just read updates on Doug Worthington, Travis Beckum, and Selwyn Lymon and they will both be giving OSU an official. Worthington mentioned us first when asked about his leaders. What do you think our shots are with these three great athletes?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:07:32 PM)
I think they are in great shape with Worthington. I'd rate him their best choice of those 3. He's a real impact player, I think, at DE. Beckum, I don't hold out as much hope. I think they'd like to add a big WR and Lymon would be that guy. But they have 2 WRs already, now with Hartline and Amos. We'll have to see on him.

osubucks22 (Aug 27, 2004 1:07:36 PM)
Who will be the starting MLB?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:07:42 PM)
Man, that's a tough call ...

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:09:19 PM)
Schlegel started the scrimmage last week. Poor Luke Fickell has to work his butt off to keep those guys happy. Of course, the competition makes it easier for him to push those guys. My guess is they will both start their share of games this year. Maybe D'Andrea would start against UC if they expect Guidugli to pass. Maybe we'll know Tuesday or not until they send them on the field at 12:11 p.m. (one minute for the kick) next Sat.

DiHrdBucki (Aug 27, 2004 1:09:28 PM)
How's our chances with Ronnie WIlson. This guy sounds like the real deal. I read he lost some weight. What's your opinion on Amos (cb,wr) How does he compare to Hartline. Thanks!

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:10:30 PM)
Two H's thinks it's a done deal. He's usually not too far off with his radar. I like Amos, he's a great athlete, another good to great track guy, two-way player but I think offense is his thing. Hartline is 6-3, 180 and Amos is like 6-2, 175.

buckboy81 (Aug 27, 2004 1:10:36 PM)
Steve, with all of the commits we have already for this recruiting class are we going to have room for the top dawgs come January and beginning of Feb?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:10:56 PM)
I don't think they're worried about top dawgs ...

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:12:39 PM)
Now, don't get me wrong. They want the best players they can get their hands on. But they've got a strong pool of players they have made offers to. They are so deep now at nearly every position, they can withstand a recruiting loss or two. I think they will recruit the best players who commit first and not worry about it and start working on underclassmen. I don't see a Ginn or a D'Andrea here that everybody will commit suicide if they don't get them. They have so many good to great players in this class already with O'Neal and Boone topping the list, that it's almost downhill from here. Just my perspective.

BuckeyeDave (Aug 27, 2004 1:12:58 PM)
A couple of chats ago, somebody asked why there was so much excitement surrounding this season. I think its because there's no Clarett uncertainty this season. We know what we've got. We've got some untested players, but their all good.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:14:54 PM)
Yep, the stupid BS meter has certainly calmed down. The focus is on football (and everybody wants to know the depth chart to get that pecking order down). But that is refreshing, no doubt.

buckeyescott (Aug 27, 2004 1:15:01 PM)
How much playing time do you think the freshmen wide receivers - Lyons and Dukes will see??

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:16:17 PM)
Probably about like Hall and Holmes did early last year. Jordan being out takes somebody out of the mix. Man, it's too bad Hiley isn't around any more (at least for now), either. They'll come in in multi-WR sets and probably play mop-up early on. But Lyons just has that look. Gary calls him The Hope. He's a man already. Maybe it will be like Boston and by week 4 he's out there.

osugrad21 (Aug 27, 2004 1:16:21 PM)
Steve, How much do you see Smith playing if Zwick is doing the job...JT said both will play but I would hope he lets the starter get a rhythm

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:17:27 PM)
I agree, it's kind of hard to hit a few passes, then go watch 2 series and boom it's halftime and you're starting over cold in the second half. He can't jerk them around. It has to be done logically, and I think it will be. If there is a quick change where OSU gets the ball in the red zone, you might see Smith right at that moment. He excels down there.

buckboy81 (Aug 27, 2004 1:17:35 PM)
Overall, do you think this years defense will be as good/better than the last two years defense? What about the offense? Special Teams?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:19:02 PM)
The defense will be close. But the standard that was set will be hard to beat. The LBs are awesome, the CBs and safeties are good and the line is coming together quickly. By midseason they may be playing up toward that level. Only one way for the offense to go and that's up. So many play makers. Special teams? Nugent already very good, punting situation incredibly troubling, only one way for Teddy to take the return game (straight up).

browndawg (Aug 27, 2004 1:19:06 PM)
Hello Steve, I have two question. You have seen a good deal of our practices and I was wondering if our DL will be good at pass rushing this year and do you think our oline will produce better results than last year.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:19:23 PM)
No, only seen 2 practices and 1 scrimmage out of 17 days. Rest were closed. ...

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:20:42 PM)
The DL will be done by committee. No one guy will make the impact Will Smith or Tim Anderson did last year (well Pitcock may approach what TA did inside). But they hope over time the rotation produces the same results. Keeping fresh guys in the game is Heacock's calling card. As drives wear on, he will replace all 4 DL. That is key.

osubucks22 (Aug 27, 2004 1:20:48 PM)
Were you surprised to see Everett beat out Whitner? Will this be a Nate Salley situation from last year, where Mitchell started early but they couldn't keep Salley off the field?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:22:30 PM)
Yes, extremely surprised, especially since Everett missed spring ball. Makes you wonder if Whitner did something over the summer to warrant the demotion. Hard to say. But Tucker said Everett has had a great camp and he makes things happen when he's in there. His ball skills may be better than Whitner's, perhaps. Nothing is permanent, of course, in answering your second question. The best guy over time will play, period. Tucker has so many guys to choose from, you know he's going to end up with the right combo by week 6.

redondo (Aug 27, 2004 1:22:34 PM)
Hi Steve - Two of the primary concerns I've seen expressed about JZ are throwing off hi back foot and continual check-down to more shallow receivers to apparently avoid mistakes in this offense. Based on what you saw at last Saturday's scrimmage, what's your take on the situation? Thank you (and thank you for all the content on the site the last month or so. Outstanding!!)

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:24:15 PM)
Yep, he throws off his back foot to this day. That's his calling card, I guess. His arm is strong enough to make those throws. And, yes, they checked down a lot last Sat. If they had checked down any further, the passes would have been heading backwards. Of the first 12 or 13 balls completed in the scrimmage, only one went to a WR (the first-drive 1-yard TD to Holmes). Troubling? I don't know. If the backs and TEs and White can keep the chains moving, then so be it.

osubucks22 (Aug 27, 2004 1:24:22 PM)
Javon Ringer just blew up last night!! I think that he will be a great one and hope it's for the Scarlet and Gray. Is everything in a holding pattern with him? Kinda waiting to see how his class work goes this season?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:25:44 PM)
Yep, the impression I get is Ohio State wants to see his first 9 weeks before making an official offer. I think it has been implied from OSU to Coach Place and on to Ringer that if he delivers the goods in the classroom, he'll have the offer and be a Buckeye. Problem is, other schools like Fla. have offered unconditionally (probably because they can over-sign with impunity). Will he wait? I think he will.

Guest (Aug 27, 2004 1:25:48 PM)
How much playing time do you see Dukes and Lyons getting? How have they looked in practice??

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:26:26 PM)
This was asked above. They both make plays, period. I think Lyons because of his body is slightly ahead of Dukes. I haven't seen Dukes take one to the house yet, but everybody says he has that kind of ability.

JulianBuck (Aug 27, 2004 1:26:31 PM)
Steve, we've heard all winter and spring that Richardson is ready to explode on the scene. Have you seen or heard anything that leads you to believe that he will be our next super DE.? Plus besides our inexperience in the middle of the DL, have we ever been so deep with talent in your opinion?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:28:39 PM)
Yes, he has long arms and great leverage on OTs. Richardson can be a star here now. Patterson said he graded out higher than anybody in the scrimmage. Between he, Green, Pitcock and Penton, the middle will be solid. Patterson will also rep some at end, too, he said. Ever been so deep with talent? Hmmm. Good question. I think the 96 and 98 teams were pretty good up front. They may have gone through a lull after that. Obviously, the starting 4 in 2002 is all in the NFL now. Plus, that team had Fraser and Thompson as lead backups. That was a pretty good 6-man group.

MUBuckeye (Aug 27, 2004 1:28:51 PM)
Everett starting over Whitner has shocked a lot of people.. I personally don't think you can keep him off the field because his combination of size, speed, and cover skills. Salley unseated Mitchell last year, will Donte do the same?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:29:31 PM)
I think whoever plays the best in the games will play. Maybe they will flip-flop between safety and nickel all year. The nickel figures to be on the field 50 percent of the time anyway.

Guest (Aug 27, 2004 1:29:38 PM)
Assuming moderate success against UC by Zwick, how much do you reasonably expect to see Troy Smith at QB?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:30:31 PM)
At least 2 or 3 series out of the 10 or 12 they will have. Just my guess. They will look for short fields, I think, where Troy can put his ability to best use. I don't see him throwing a lot off his own goal line just because of the TO risk (fumble, INT).

DiHrdBucki (Aug 27, 2004 1:30:42 PM)
I've always been a big Ross fan. However, he's been a victim of bad breaks (injuries) All reports state that he is in the best football shape ever and the other players have even commented. Do you believe Ross is going to have a break out year? And who do you see stepping up as the backup?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:32:16 PM)
Ross said yesterday he is ready. We'll see if the light is truly on. I think Pittman was sitting second chair with Hall also in the mix as a situational player, perhaps, when they want to throw the ball to the back in the flat. Haw is also in the mix. Those freshmen should push Ross all year. If he can give you a great 20-23 carries a game and the other guys can combine for 15-18 totes, they will be in great shape.

osubucks22 (Aug 27, 2004 1:32:40 PM)
Who's gonna be our RT? Does Schafer still hold the edge? Which freshman will log minutes on the line?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:34:41 PM)
Schafer has the edge, it seems. I'm not sure if any of the freshmen will play appreciably this year, barring injuries. They'd love to RS them. They kept those guys mostly with their own group and they did a great job blocking for Boeckman. Maybe 1 of them (Person or Mitchum) could get the call for a two-deep spot and even play some. But that does not seem to be an urgent need and you know they'd love to RS them if they could. When you think about it, they have Coleman to back up at guard and whoever loses the RT battle to back up at tackle along with McLaughlin.

riggi (Aug 27, 2004 1:34:49 PM)
Steve, have not heard much about Gonzo as of late. Is he still in the mix for PT this year?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:36:38 PM)
Definitely. He made a couple nice catches, I believe, (actually 3 for 23) in Sat. scrimmage. He's kind of like a Tim Dwight player if I had to categorize him. I like to watch him make running grabs and keep on going. He has some ability. Looks particularly good over the middle because of his toughness.

buckboy81 (Aug 27, 2004 1:36:43 PM)
What do you think about Tyler Everett beating out Donte Whitner for the starting job? Is he really doing that well?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:37:56 PM)
Yes, Tucker said Everett is having a great camp. Not sure why Whitner has fallen off the pace, but he has at least a little bit. Tucker believes Everett has his head in the game and he makes big plays (re: INTs against Wash State in 2002, MSU last year and in Saturday's scrimmage). Whitner is a great hitter, no doubt. But there must be more to it than that.

bucks4fun (Aug 27, 2004 1:38:03 PM)
Do think the offense will move away from play-action when it is 3rd and 8. I always thought that to be odd they would not let the QB get to the pocket while facing the LOS so that they could scope his receivers routes.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:40:20 PM)
Yeah, I think they'll go more gun when those situations arise and spread the field. It's all about pass protection, too. Things we can't see or pick up at first glance, I guess. But I have never understood the infatuation with play action passing. Those fakes only work when they truly think you're going to run. You never are on third-and-8. It was also suspect that they always had Bellisari run them when his field vision was not the greatest to begin with. It always seemed like he had to turn around and re-engage and find his receivers after the fake (not to bag on Steve at all; I didn't like how they used him).

DiHrdBucki (Aug 27, 2004 1:40:26 PM)
What's the status on B Joe? I believe him to be a vital part of our offense. He can run, block, and catch. Can schnitteker(sp?) or White pick up the slack? Is this a concern?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:42:13 PM)
Joe is out with a high ankle sprain. I don't look for him to play much against UC, maybe 15 plays if he's healthy by then. He won't practice until the middle of next week, I guess. White is a pretty good player. Haven't seen as much out of Schnittker this fall, but I think he is capable as well. It's a concern because the offense won't have the wrinkle they had against K-State in the Fiesta with the change-up back Joe, like we were told they would. Of course, they aren't playing K-State's defense, either.

buckboy81 (Aug 27, 2004 1:42:23 PM)
I saw video of this kid from the state of Washington...Runningback...I forget his name, but I remember thinking that the kid redefined the term "Break tackle"...whats the news on this guy?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:45:36 PM)
That must be Jonathan Stewart, who goes 5-10 and 218 pounds. I'm unclear whether OSU has made an offer, but he is very interested in OSU as well as Washington, Oregon, Cal, Michigan, Florida State Texas and Nebraska. We'll see if he sets a visit date, I guess.

riggi (Aug 27, 2004 1:45:49 PM)
Steve, What is the reasoning why we are not going after the DE Paxton out of Indiana. I think he had us as a fav earlier in the year.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:46:31 PM)
I can't honestly say. Maybe they have some other guys like Worthington and Lawrence Wilson rated higher right now and they don't want to extend any more offers.

scribeohio (Aug 27, 2004 1:46:35 PM)
Steve, why do you think Troy is a better QB inside the 20 than outside it? Are you saying that?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:47:57 PM)
Maybe I am. He''s a witch in the red zone because he can throw for the score or run for it. He is hard to bring down in the open field because you rarely get a good hit on him. He's a special talent. I don't want to say he can't play on the other 80 yards of the field. I guess I'm just saying that he can be especially troublesome for a defense inside the final 20.

bucks4fun (Aug 27, 2004 1:48:11 PM)
You think JT will loosen his tie and try some "trick" plays with the personnel he has this season.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:48:56 PM)
Maybe. I haven't seen any. The bubble screen to Teddy (I know, that's not a trick play) is about as exotic as I've seen this camp. I think they save their best stuff for days when nobody is around.

osubucks22 (Aug 27, 2004 1:49:02 PM)
If you had to pick, who will be the last 9 in this recruiting class? Just from the names we know now... of course there will be some pop up later.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:51:30 PM)
I'll start with Adam Myers-White. That's pretty obvious. Then I'll add Doug Worthington, Ringer, Ronnie Wilson, lawrence Wilson, Alex Daniels (damn, it's getting good now) and whoever else they get at that point would be an added bonus.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:51:48 PM)
Maybe Oatis or Maurice Wells or Stewart as well.

osubucks22 (Aug 27, 2004 1:52:03 PM)
I think Joe sprained an ankle in the womb....

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:52:47 PM)
Good one. The litany of his time here is pretty long. When he hasn't been hurt, he's been in the doghouse. I hope he gets back healthy soon. Really is a good kid.

scribeohio (Aug 27, 2004 1:52:50 PM)
Steve, congrats on 1 yr with BN. The site has evolved and become very comprehensive, knowledgeable, and expert in HS, recruiting, talent eval, etc. What has been the best achievements, challenges, what's in the future?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:53:03 PM)
Thanks for the comments ...

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:55:52 PM)
The best achievements have been assembling the best staff available. Gary and Duane can not beat beaten on high school/recruiting developments. You should sit in this seat and when something happens, I invariably get 2 phone calls -- one from Gary and one from Duane. They're amazing. Then, you add in Kirk, Dave, Charles and Kyle, that's quite a group. (Plus, Mr. B, Bill Conley and Jerry Rud) Another big achievement has been the mags. We've taken BTM from 32 pages a month to 80. Ohio High has also gotten rave reviews and is very rewarding as well. The future we want to improve all the products. The fad with the Internet is multimedia, so we need more video and better video. We want to be the best college fan web site in the country.

redondo (Aug 27, 2004 1:56:03 PM)
Steve - Did the srimmage last week provide any read (I'm not sure of the scrimmage format) on the KO and punt return game? If so, did you see any improvement? Thank you.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:56:29 PM)
No, none at all, because it was strictly scrimmage plays. I assume they will deal with that today with the kick scrimmage, which is closed.

dcbuck (Aug 27, 2004 1:56:38 PM)
In the vain of know thy enemy, how is M. Gutierezz (sp?) looking at Michigan? It should be an easy transition with their recievers.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:57:40 PM)
Remember, the buzzards at Michigan campaigned and got special dispensation for an extra week of practice because Miami (Ohio) moved its first game up to this weekend. With a new QB, they don't miss a trick, do they. I hear he's doing well. Carr said it was an open race, but I think he's the man, clearly.

osubucks22 (Aug 27, 2004 1:57:44 PM)
If we get Ringer, I won't worry so much about Wells.... Ringer is awesome

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 1:59:14 PM)
I agree, but the flip side is he has to qualify. Hiley and reggie Smith (and others) prove that signing at-risk kids does come with a risk. Double-edged sword. People want to condemn OSU for making its standards higher than NCAA for admissions. But they want to avoid situations like these. Problem is it handcuffs the coaches a bit by withholding the chance to offer so early in the process.

osubucks22 (Aug 27, 2004 1:59:47 PM)
What do you think about Chris Wells? I think after the most recent update, every one seems to be forgetting about his comment that the best athletes should stay in state.

osubucks22 (Aug 27, 2004 1:59:50 PM)
that was M. Wells of course

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:00:51 PM)
You've got me all twisted around here. Chris Wells, I like a lot. I'm sure he's sitting back and trying to see where will be the best fit for him in 2006. M. Wells, I have not heard a thing. Is he now saying he wants to play somewhere in Fla., because his top 3 for a long time have been OSU, GT and USC?

redondo (Aug 27, 2004 2:00:57 PM)
Hi Steve - Off Scribeohio's comment on the site, is Ramzy still affiliated? I always enjoyed his take and writing style. Thank you.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:01:59 PM)
Ramzy and I kind of passed each other on the way in/out. The way I understand it, he was taking up some kind of college studies that were going to limit his availability. I love his stuff as well. We'll see if we can't flush him out for a guest appearance every once in a while. I certainly did not "get rid of him."

scribeohio (Aug 27, 2004 2:02:15 PM)
Steve, given the limited practice time that you can witness, do you need to see the team on the field to get a good grasp of this team? or does the inside scuttle-butt help alot? Are holding back things until the season starts or is in progress?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:04:17 PM)
No, I think I can say categorically, the first-team defense is going to be tough as nails. They need the line to deliver the same production through use of fresh bodies, than usuing the same 4 guys most of the game. Offensively, they seem to want to run the ball between the tackles and also use the athletic ability of the new OL to get outside. The passing game leaves me wanting a bit, but that is understandable with the young QBs and untested WRs (other than Holmes). You have to walk before you can run. I see them winning games 21-7 and things like that, at least in the early going.

osubucks22 (Aug 27, 2004 2:04:20 PM)
M Wells was for the ringer quote Steve, sorry.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:04:52 PM)
Yes, I agree. If they can get Ringer, Wells would just be extra gravy. They desperately need a TB in this class, probably 2.

osubucks22 (Aug 27, 2004 2:07:00 PM)
Steve, You sticking with you predictions from the season preview (9-2 i believe)? or have you changed your mind since then?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:08:20 PM)
No, still going 9-2. As much as I like this team and I don't really see that many holes, I think the overall youth will work against them. They will not turn it over a lot, probably, but 1-2 costly turnovers in key situations could mean the difference between the Orange and the Rose, where I have them (believe it or not) facing Florida State. ...

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:09:48 PM)
My other BCS projections are USC (notwithstanding this ruling on Mike Williams) against Oklahoma in the Orange, Michigan-LSU in the Fiesta and Georgia-West Virginia in the Sugar.

Guest (Aug 27, 2004 2:09:53 PM)
Steve, thanks for all the hard work that you and the staff do. It's great to know all about the Buckeyes.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:10:00 PM)
I appreciate it ...

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:11:00 PM)
I have about 15-20 minutes left. If anybody has any more ???, I'll try and answer them. Remember, Bill Conley will be here at 3 p.m. Monday and we want to give him a rousing welcome. If you can't be with us, send any questions for him to my e-mail at shelwage@columbus.rr.com

scribeohio (Aug 27, 2004 2:11:05 PM)
Great captains this yr! JT got the very last few members of the 2001 class. What's your impression of his first 3 full classes (2002, 2003, 2004) and the changes to OSU that are most noteworthy over the past? Thanks

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:12:04 PM)
I agree. As I was walking in there yesterday, I predicted it would be Fraser, Fox, Nugent and Ross and it was. All fourth-year seniors from that first class in 2001. I think they

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:14:09 PM)
've done a phenomenal job in the 3 full classes they've built. They are tripping over talent at the WHAC. They've rebuilt the depth on OL with their kind of linemen. That's big. A little thin at TB, but they're working on it. Above average at WR. Loads of potential at TE. Great depth at DL, LB and DB. Where are they weak, I ask? And, they have a great start for 2005 with O'Neal, Boone, Denlinger, Cordle and Schoenhoft (will battle Boeckman to be the QB of the future). They are set up for a great run all the way through 2008 or '09.

scribeohio (Aug 27, 2004 2:14:19 PM)
Other than Arden comment, AG seems kinda of quiet and I'm sure he enjoys that. What's going on at OSU in terms of projects, admin, etc?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:16:36 PM)
Yes, I am sure he is glad to be out of the limelight after the stress he went through with that coaching search. That became a ridiculous circus by the end, complete with car chases. Mum has been the word. Athletics is gearing up for the WHAC expansion/renovation. They are quietly raising money for that. They just wrapped up the aquatics portion of the new rec center. But otherwise it's been quiet.

scribeohio (Aug 27, 2004 2:16:44 PM)
Steve, do you think Dantonio is the single biggest diff for UC vs. OSU? He knows our D and O well!

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:18:16 PM)
Yes, I think his knowledge of both sides will keep that game maybe a little bit tighter than most might think. To me, the key is Guidugli. If Dantonio takes the wraps off and lets him throw and the kid gets hot and stays hot, it could be a long day (time-wise and OSU-wise). Somehow, I see the defense getting the job done, though. I'm leaning on a 10- or 14-point win, at least, for the home team.

scribeohio (Aug 27, 2004 2:18:38 PM)
What's the JJHud chat icon here? Do we have to join? $?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:20:15 PM)
JJHuddle is our sister site. They do not have a Chat capability like this for that site, so we let them "borrow" ours. It is a premium site, so just like this site, their subscribers have access to a premium story that gives them the password and they can enter that premium Chat room. In answer to your question, you would need to subscribe to JJ to get into their Chats.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:21:38 PM)
This Chat experience, to me, and I've tried message board Chats when I was at BSB is so advanced, it's not even funny. We're talking pretty much in real time (unless I fall behind). It also archives automatically. That's why we're letting them borrow it. Theoretically,they could have a Chat simultaneous to ours.

scribeohio (Aug 27, 2004 2:22:41 PM)
Any 2005 recruits that don't have OSU at the top who if they visit OSU may get there heads turned our way? Also, if our O is more productive will that help?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:24:43 PM)
Good question. I don't have anybody on the top of my head like that, I guess. It may sound weird, but I think most of the heavy lifting in this class has been done with O'Neal, Boone and Schoenhoft. They filled a lot of their needs right there. The more productive O will help recruiting argument is lost on me, sorry. Tressel sells the whole Ohio State experience. If that wasn't for Fred Davis, fine, he'll just take a Devon Lyons, who will probably be just as good. No sweat.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:25:05 PM)
OK, my turn, I need records, bowl berths for OSU from everybody (and be honest ... ha ha).

scribeohio (Aug 27, 2004 2:25:52 PM)
For ex. Doering. I read he likes the tradition at ND, staff/midwest/B10 at Iowa, and Neb. Sound like he'd love OSU but maybe he just doesn't know it yet.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:26:21 PM)
Yeah, I think OSU is a long shot for Doering. I think Wilson will probably be the 4th and final OL in this class, if I had to guess.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:27:30 PM)
Nobody wants to go on the record with their record for this year?

dcbuck (Aug 27, 2004 2:28:05 PM)
I think 9-2, but that will probably on get us to the Outback bowl or some other non-bcs game

scribeohio (Aug 27, 2004 2:28:18 PM)
1 loss and the Rose!

scribeohio (Aug 27, 2004 2:29:49 PM)
Is Gary having fun? How does he keep the day job?!!!

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:30:31 PM)
He does not sleep. He's amazing. He went to Akron last night. I think he's at Mentor-Glenville tonight and then he and I are going to Cinti. for that all day thing at UC tomorrow. He's amazing.

BuckeyeJoe (Aug 27, 2004 2:30:39 PM)
I like a year like this one. We have great hopes, but lots of questions. Better than having sky high hopes and then a let down.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:31:03 PM)
Yep, I see where you're coming from ...

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:31:15 PM)
Save the sky high hopes for next year.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 27, 2004 2:32:25 PM)
Hey guys (and at least one gal), I've gotta run. It's been fun. Check in Monday at 3 p.m. for Bill Conley's debut. I should be here next Friday as well.

BuckeyeJoe (Aug 27, 2004 2:32:39 PM)
I was in the Kern's class. It would be nice to see another yound team do it.

scribeohio (Aug 27, 2004 2:33:53 PM)
Elite 11 counselors voted RS most likely to play for an NC! OSU of course and the probability that he starts at QB down the line vs Sanchez (USC), Christenson (Iowa) Perriloux (Tex). Go Bucks

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