Helwagen Chat: Oct. 7 Archive

Here are the archives from Thursday's Chat with Bucknuts.com managing editor Steve Helwagen. He conducts these Chat sessions each week for Bucknuts subscribers.

edbuck51 (Oct 7, 2004 1:12:38 PM)
Do you suspect we are going to see a different Buckeye team this week, or are the Badgers to strong for a turnaround?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:13:43 PM)
Yes, I expect Ohio State to regain that fire or spark it did not show at NW. Playing at home with a quality opponent, they should be up. Wisconsin looks great on paper, but I think they're 5 opponents are a combined 6-18. They should be 5-0. Don't get me wrong, they're good. But they ain't the 85 Bears.

scribeohio (Oct 7, 2004 1:13:56 PM)
What's the status of Marcel Frost (I hear scout team)? Shouldn't he at DE if Nicol is really #2 TE? I assume he's not injured any longer.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:15:09 PM)
That whole situation stinks. The kid came in and looked great at tight end for a couple of days, then he got hurt and now he's riding the pine as a scout team player. They can't get Hamby the ball, let alone Frost. I imagine he needs to get his base under him (conditioning and learning the offense), but he should have helped them this year.

RotGut (Oct 7, 2004 1:15:12 PM)
Do you think Haw redshirts at this point?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:16:05 PM)
Yep, there are 7 games left and, barring an injury to 2 of these 3 (Ross, Joe, Pittman), I see no reason to take his redshirt away. A year from now when he's doing well people will say, "He should have played last year." (ha ha)

edbuck51 (Oct 7, 2004 1:16:10 PM)
It seems like a lot of the great recruits still on the board are lining up visits. Are you expecting most of the big names to make their way to Columbus?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:17:14 PM)
Ohio State will get its fair share of good visitors, no question. With just 9 spots left to fill, we know from the Myers-White situation they are being extremely selective. That allows them to focus on, say, 20 key kids to fill these last 9 spots. I see a number of good to great players eventually making trips here.

scribeohio (Oct 7, 2004 1:17:16 PM)
Is B. Joe 100% and if so he should be starting.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:17:46 PM)
Yes, no question. He is not 100 percent yet, though. He can't be asked to play 50 plays yet. He's not ready. So they need to save him for situations.

edbuck51 (Oct 7, 2004 1:17:49 PM)
Are we going to see more of #25 this week? I'm betting against it.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:18:22 PM)
Against this tough UW defense? Hmmm. Sounds like Lydell first (again) and then Pittman as the game goes on, probably more when they have better field position than deep in their own end.

RotGut (Oct 7, 2004 1:18:27 PM)
Any inside info on who might commit next? With Wilson coming this weekend and having already been to Notre Dame, is there a chance he commits?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:19:17 PM)
No, I don't see Wilson committing this weekend. If anything, he sounds like an ND lean. OSU needs to knock his socks off this weekend. He would probably be next, but ND is where his family and maybe even he himself is leaning right now.

chappy (Oct 7, 2004 1:19:20 PM)
why cant the buckeyes run the ball

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:19:30 PM)
Oh, wow, an easy one (ha ha) ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:21:11 PM)
Bill Conley said it the other day -- the line is getting no surge. Watch the tape. They're getting stalemated by these D-lines. They can't push the DL back a yard. That's the first thing. Second, they don't seal the backside. LBs, DEs and safeties are crashing in from the backside and corraling the runner from behind all too often. That's not supposed to happen. Those two things take your standard 3-4 yard gains down to 0-1. And they aren't breaking any big plays, either.

Cville Buck (Oct 7, 2004 1:21:18 PM)
Has our OL gotten continually worse each of the last 4 years?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:22:09 PM)
Yep, sure seems like it. But remember, you have 3 new starters, 1 former walk-on. Doesn't look good that these are their hand-picked OL and they aren't getting the job done, at least with the run. They've done fair to middling on pass protection, I think.

edbuck51 (Oct 7, 2004 1:23:21 PM)
What's been your impression of Ted Ginn Jr. so far?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:24:24 PM)
Typical freshman, not asserting himself all that much, looking for ways to help out. Made a GREAT block on the Holmes punt return TD. In fact, Ted sprung Holmes, no question. Kid is a football player. He just needs some breaks where he can make a play. He hasn't had any yet.

RotGut (Oct 7, 2004 1:24:34 PM)
Do you think the BUCKS lack "fire in the belly"? Someone to kick them in the butts whether coach or player? Someone to get them rev'ed up?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:25:27 PM)
I don't know. That stuff can be overrated at times. It's hard to be up for an entire 3-1/2 hour football game with so many stoppages, etc. You need to be ready when your number is called upon, and OSU was not in way too many instances last Sat.

edbuck51 (Oct 7, 2004 1:25:32 PM)
What's JT's temperature these days? Is he a little PO'd about how things are going?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:26:13 PM)
Yep, little chippy. Got a little snide with the reporters Tuesday for asking touchy questions or repeating questions. Even asked if one of the reporters was asleep. Not like him to get personal like that.

Redshirt (Oct 7, 2004 1:26:22 PM)
Sorry if this has already been asked but is Marcel Frost ever gonna see the field? If not at tight end why not move him back to defensive end where he haven't got much production this year.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:27:02 PM)
Frost's status is a mystery. He had 2-3 great days at the beginning of camp, got hurt and was never heard from again. They could do worse than to put him out there once in a while. He's an athletic TE.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:27:17 PM)
But as I said, they've stopped even getting Hamby the ball, so go figure.

RotGut (Oct 7, 2004 1:27:22 PM)
Do think Bollman is the best OL coach we can do? Do you think we should look elsewhere and would Tress ever fire him?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:28:26 PM)
Bollman is the OL coach Tressel counts on and depends on, so you have to start there. I won't say they're joined at the hip, but it seems unlikely JT would fire him. Bollman left the NFL to come here. They finally have their guys in place. Let's see what develops with that unit the next 2 weeks.

chappy (Oct 7, 2004 1:28:35 PM)
yes they are getting worse and thats because they are getting smaller in size. look at our o lines in previous years we were huge bigger than most NFL o lines now we are smaller than some MAC schools

edbuck51 (Oct 7, 2004 1:28:41 PM)
Are our expectations realistic for this young team? Are a lot of our frustrations really just watching a young team grow up on the field which we haven't had to do for a few years?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:30:49 PM)
They probably were not realistic, in hindsight. The Big Ten does not have a USC or Oklahoma, but by golly they have a lot of real good teams that could compete with just about anybody. OSU is in that group, but is clearly the youngest of that group. I thought youth would cost them 2 games. When you go 14-0, you expect to do that every year (deep down, you know it isn't likely, but you at least hope you can). Fans are jaded nothing but 12-0 will suit them. They liked "sitting on top of the mountain with the people that they loved," like Tressel put it on 01/03/03.

RotGut (Oct 7, 2004 1:31:13 PM)
Regarding Bollman, how bad can the guy be with several recent players of his now in the NFL receiving significant playing time?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:32:03 PM)
Good question, those guys clearly had/have talent to be able to play in the pros. But this offense has been and really is no great shake. There is blame for all involved, I believe.

Cville Buck (Oct 7, 2004 1:32:10 PM)
You said you spoke to Stewart, anything interesting you can let us know about?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:33:22 PM)
I will post it after the Chat, likely. Nothing major. He doesn't know who it was but an OSU coach called him and congratulated him after his team's win last weekend. Sounds like Oregon, Washington State, Cal and maybe USC and Tennessee (all offered except tOSU) are the ones in the running.

goBucks8 (Oct 7, 2004 1:33:26 PM)
Any indication from practice this week that Brandon Joe will have a bigger role on offense this week ?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:33:46 PM)
They'll play him as much as they can, but I doubt his ankle is ready for 50 plays just yet.

scribeohio (Oct 7, 2004 1:34:00 PM)
Steve, if Conely knows what the OL is not doing then God help us if Bolman/Peterson don't know! I don't think we have a great line now and need the current/next frosh class to assume positions but I would like to see Pittman over several games/runs to check improvement.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:34:41 PM)
Duane had 1 or more freshmen playing this year. Doubt we'll see that at this late date, but .... Agree, Pittman needs the rock.

edbuck51 (Oct 7, 2004 1:34:47 PM)
Do you think Fox would have been a big help last week in getting the defense adjusted during the game?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:34:51 PM)
Oh my word ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:34:56 PM)
... no question ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:37:10 PM)
He's a veteran and he's seen it all. NW took OSU's athleticism and youth and turned it against them. Guys overran plays, etc. all night long. Fox would have been a huge help against the screens, etc. They missed him big time in my estimation. Not a slam against the guys who played. They're good and they did the best they could, but Fox's experience would have helped.

Redshirt (Oct 7, 2004 1:37:16 PM)
Besides the o-line and running back what position do you feel needs to be addressed most in this recruiting class?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:37:53 PM)
Obviously, defensive end. Another game of not getting there. They have a good start with Williams and Worthington. Maybe Wilson or one of the Wisconsin guys would slide in there.

goBucks8 (Oct 7, 2004 1:37:57 PM)
Is the plan for both Dukes an Lyons to redshirt this year ? Can't help but think Lyons could really help us out right now...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:38:32 PM)
Lyons is playing and he did get in on offense for the first time I can recall on Sat. Dukes seems to be redshirting. Lyons has played special teams in all 4 games.

Guest (Oct 7, 2004 1:38:43 PM)
Who decides which running backs play? I remember Spencer saying while he was here that he wished he had played Jerry Westbrooks and Joe Mongomery more, and I always wondered if this was his decision or someone elses.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:38:55 PM)
Sphinxbuck asks who decides what RBs play.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:40:34 PM)
My feeling is the RBs coach, Doc Tressel, sets up an order and figures how many plays he wants to use each guy. He works with the head coach, Jim Tressel, on who would be good to use in what personnel groupings, etc. Then, as the game goes on, they'll sub a Pittman in as the regular TB for a series when Ross needs a blow, etc. They make changes from series to series and right down to play to play as needed, using all those variables (who's hot, who needs a rest, what is the play, etc.).

edbuck51 (Oct 7, 2004 1:40:47 PM)
It seems like Hamby was getting more looks when Zwick had more time. The TE is normally the primary reciever, and JZ hasn't had a lot of time to go through his progressions. When Hamby was the primary reciever, Zwick has either missed him or he dropped the ball. Do you think this is why his production is down?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:41:46 PM)
Teams also keyed on Hamby after he got off against UC, don't discount that. If he isn't open Zwick can't throw it to him. I'm not sure why Zwick has gone away from Hamby almost entirely. He would have had a TD against NCSU if the pass was on target early. But I would say this ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:41:56 PM)
They need to re-integrate him in the "attack."

scribeohio (Oct 7, 2004 1:42:18 PM)
Steve, sometimes I think we have too many young WR's in the game who don't run routes well (TG/Hall are 2) which makes it harder on JZ and NO RUN GAME. Shouldn't SH, Bam, Hollins and any other good route guy be in the 4/5 wide (shit I ran out of good route runners trying to list them).

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:42:27 PM)
Watch your adjectives (ha ha) ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:42:36 PM)
You make a valid point, no doubt ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:43:08 PM)
Something wasn't clicking with Hall and that's why he was sitting. But he showed what he is capable of with that Lynn Swann grab Sat. Ginn is also still learning ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:44:28 PM)
I have never understood why they go 5-wide with 2-3 WRs, TE, RBs, etc. They do it so the defense won't load it's nickel when they see 3 new WRs run on the field. But the trade-off is you have guys who don't run a lot of patterns from the flank out there trying to get open. Why not go 5-wide with 5 true wides once in a while just to see what might happen.

edbuck51 (Oct 7, 2004 1:44:44 PM)
It seems this defense doesn't make adjustments like we've seen the last couple of years. Do you think that is youth, coaching, or a combination of the two?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:45:55 PM)
Certainly a combination. I believe there may have been some communication issues as well. I was told the DL was doing one thing and the LBs something else on one of NW's best plays that hurt them. A great DL will erase a lot of scheme, coverage mistakes and they clearly are not there yet. Their next big play will be their first, unfortunately.

buckmark (Oct 7, 2004 1:46:07 PM)
a little late getting here, sorry if already asked....Does insiders really rate Lawrence Wilson as a one star recruit? Is that accurate?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:50:27 PM)
I guess so. They may not have any film on him. Duane has him No. 12 in Ohio. OSU had him in camp and so did ND. They both like him and offered him. Pitt was first to offer as part of their annual springtime blanket over the state of Akron (if you have a pulse and play at one of the Akron schools, Pitt will offer you).

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:50:43 PM)
We'll get some senior tape in and see if they can bump him up a bit.

bucks4fun (Oct 7, 2004 1:50:50 PM)
Steve, any truth to the Manningham rumor that he may be reconsidering his UM verbal?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:51:57 PM)
Manningham told GoBlueWolverine it was (nonsense ... I assume he used the real word for that ... ha ha). But our operatives in Warren and elsewhere are saying MM did make a wave or 2 about at least checking out the Columbus campus of tOSU. In the end, I think he sticks with UM.

Guest (Oct 7, 2004 1:52:02 PM)
How much of an influence do you think a guy like Rob Schoenhoft has when he calls fellow recruits?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:52:19 PM)
Redshirt asked about the influence of Schoenhoft calling recruits.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:53:41 PM)
Probably a little, not a lot. Guys' egos are pretty big. They make on like they don't like the recruiting calls, but I know it feels good when people call and want to talk to you or want you to come to their school. Zwick did a lot of phone work for tOSU after his verbal. Now Schoenhoft sounds like he is doing his fair share as well. Everybody has a cell phone now, too, so we're all connected, it seems.

scribeohio (Oct 7, 2004 1:53:47 PM)
If NU was smart enough to use their experience against our youth/athleticism, then it follows the Wisky will use its experience on OL/DL to reap havoc on our OL/DL. Do you think our guys can deal with it?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:54:34 PM)
The lines have not played up to par yet. But this is more of Ohio State's game (or should be) ... brute force. There will be some sore bodies on Sunday after this 1 or 2 TD classic is over.

scribeohio (Oct 7, 2004 1:54:46 PM)
I agree, if Hall can fix whatever problem, he could really help the O. Do you think TG should be only on special teams and maybe a few short pass routes/long balls?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:55:18 PM)
No, I think Ginn can help them. The coaches watch practice every day. He must be among their best 3 WRs. They aren't going to play him as a gift.

edbuck51 (Oct 7, 2004 1:55:22 PM)
If you were the OC, whay changes would you make on first down? 2nd and 9 is killing this team.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:55:30 PM)
Throw the ball, Woody ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:57:02 PM)
On first and goal at the 4, actually, they needed to go Schnittker-Joe or Joe-Ross and pound the ball straight ahead. That's what they did at NCSU from the 3 and they scored on the first play. In overtime, they needed to run a play-action pass and get 6-8 yards and set up second-and-short. The OT was pretty much doomed after they got 2-3 on first down (and, well, when Holmes dropped the second down pass, too). It just wasn't their night.

Cville Buck (Oct 7, 2004 1:57:18 PM)
Do you believe Both the Offense and Defense lack leaders. I believe Fox may have been a leader and a Captain but im not sure . Whats your take?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:58:01 PM)
Yeah, it hurts when your chosen leaders aren't making plays. Kind of a rudder-less ship. Ross and Fraser have been ineffective. Nugent is the kicker and Fox is hurt.

getaback2 (Oct 7, 2004 1:58:11 PM)
last year atnthis time tosu had nalready scheduled a multitude of visits. this year we see only a handful total. Is this a change in strategy or are seeing budget cuts

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 1:58:17 PM)
Not budget cuts ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:00:03 PM)
The budget is not that tight. They only have 9 spots left to fill. They only need to visit 20 uncommitted players to fill those spots. They have 6-7 visits set. They'll get 6-8 more for December, then pluck off 7-10 more for January and that will be it. Kids from out of state (where they are recruiting almost exclusively except for Wilson and Daniels) won't come in during their season, so that means waiting until Dec. or Jan. Add all those factors up and you know why things seem slow in that regard. But they're on pace, in my mind, to do just fine.

buckmark (Oct 7, 2004 2:00:32 PM)
Some other new names on the recruiting front...Morley , Gwaltney, and Felder. What do you know about them. Also, I see Justin King doesn't list tOSU for a visit. Shut the door on that one?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:01:51 PM)
Gwaltney is a WVU verbal, but now he wants to visit OSU and USC. They do need an RB, so we'll see on that one. Perhaps that's Hazell's East Coast influence coming in, since he's from N.Y. Felder is the kid from Washington. We'll see if they can get him in. Ditto for King. They have no chance at all ... until they get him here for a visit. We shall see. Sounds like a UM-PSU battle royal right now.

buckmark (Oct 7, 2004 2:02:00 PM)
There is a lot of conversation about being too predictable when the reality is that we had a 60/40 run/pass ratio on first down last week (including a couple scrambles). I still believe it comes down to better execution and that the youth of the team is the main culprit.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:03:06 PM)
Yes, good point. The analysis from the players and coaches is it's a different breakdown on every play. A bad call, read, missed assignment, whatever that's blowing things up. And it's a different guy on every play, too.

RotGut (Oct 7, 2004 2:03:14 PM)
Jumping to BB, who do you think the last slot might be filled by? Do I understand correctly that will fill one of the two remaing spots and bank the lost one for next year?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:05:16 PM)
It seems like Michigan's Wilson Chandler could get the last spot, although a Michigan analyst reported he could be leaning to DePaul. Maybe they grab another JUCO or just bank the spot so they'd have 5-6 (pending Billings' status) for next year, when the state is phenomenal (Cook, Lighty, Semrau, Morgan, Dews, Graves, Chichester).

edbuck51 (Oct 7, 2004 2:05:25 PM)
Does Purdue look like the team to beat in the Big Ten right now?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:06:45 PM)
No question. Their defense has retooled and, other than the Illinois game, looked dynamite. And Orton may be the hottest player in college football right now. Their passing scheme is head and shoulders above the rest and he is executing it at a high level. Both UM and OSU visit Purdue. They play Wisconsin next week, which is key.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:07:09 PM)
17 TDs and no INTs ... wow

edbuck51 (Oct 7, 2004 2:07:12 PM)
Speilman, Conley and Pete Johnson, et al., came down pretty hard after last week. Do you think these guys are justified in their criticisms, or do they need to exercise a little patience?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:07:27 PM)
This is still Ohio State, isn't it?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:08:18 PM)
You lose to Northwestern -- 1-3 Northwestern, I might add, a team that gave up 48 to TCU, 30 to Arizona State and 43 to Minnesota -- for the first time in 33 years. That's not supposed to happen at Ohio State. ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:08:29 PM)
That's the bottom line ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:09:01 PM)
In the whole Conley debate yesterday on the premium board, I read a post comparing the loss to the one Michigan had to NW in 2000 ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:10:06 PM)
Nope, sorry, not buying that. That NW won a SHARE of the Big Ten championship with Kustok and Anderson. That was a great NW team. This team was 1-3 with all kinds of problems and Ohio State, by virtue of a horrible first-half performance, let them live. That's not how it's supposed to be, people.

edbuck51 (Oct 7, 2004 2:10:10 PM)
You're right!!!!

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:10:25 PM)
And that's where Conley, Johnson and Spielman were coming from.

terrybuck (Oct 7, 2004 2:10:59 PM)
sorry im just coming in i dont know if this was covered but why doesnt ohio state give both the freshmen a a chance to play..they both need expierence for next year and lydell or mo hall have not got the job in two years. from what i hear erik haw has been impressive in practice

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:11:55 PM)
I have no idea what Haw has or hasn't shown in practice. I have to assume Pittman has shown more, and that's why he is playing.

RotGut (Oct 7, 2004 2:12:00 PM)
Have you heard the mentions of both Jarrett and Freddy Davis being unhappy at USC or was that just rumor and innuendo?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:12:26 PM)
There were rumors, but that's natural when kids (get hoodwinked and) go away from home for the first time (ha ha).

edbuck51 (Oct 7, 2004 2:12:29 PM)
Can Minnesota handle the trip to Ann Arbor?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:13:20 PM)
Yes, they can win there. The Minnesota defense has to play its best game and control Edwards and pressure Henne into some mistakes. Michigan's defense is not as strong as it was advertised. They need to buckle it up because the Gophers rushing machine is coming to town.

scribeohio (Oct 7, 2004 2:13:32 PM)
How long then will JT give the OL situation to fail like it has the past 2 years before doing something drastic?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:15:11 PM)
You need to ride it out the next few weeks and see where you're at. They have too much talent to blow this opportunity (this year and, now it seems, next year) because they either can't move the ball, can't block, can't run (whatever the problem is). Running the football is the foundation of this football program. Period. The end. If you can't run it, you can't beat Indiana. Don't even pass out the helmets and shoulder pads.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:15:38 PM)
Anything else before I bolt?

scribeohio (Oct 7, 2004 2:16:28 PM)
Given that McGlover wanted to leave Auburn and come to OSU (after rejecting us) I don't think JT would take FD/DJ or anyother kid who rejected us - 90% of life is how you react to things that happen to you.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:17:23 PM)
Yes, kids like that (kind of like Kerr, we see) come with some baggage. Tressel talked about how he had to deal with I-A dropdowns who were disgruntled at YSU and he hated it because those kids always said it was somebody else's fault for what was happening to them.

RotGut (Oct 7, 2004 2:17:29 PM)
Any other HOT recruiting tidbits? It's been SLOW!

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:18:26 PM)
Nothing I would call hot. I just think they're in a good position right now. They have most of their position needs covered and they can focus in on some key kids.

RotGut (Oct 7, 2004 2:18:30 PM)
I bet JT would give Jarrett or Freddy a shot if they wanted to transfer, don't you?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:18:42 PM)
Maybe. It depends on the situation, certainly.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:20:01 PM)
It's been fun (after a tough start ... ha ha). Anybody coming to the movie tonight, we'll see you there. Should be fun. Gary should be here tomorrow and Bill Conley Monday at 3.

scribeohio (Oct 7, 2004 2:20:05 PM)
Been dissappointed in safety play. What's your take?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:20:58 PM)
I'd agree. Salley was out of position, it seems, on 2 TD passes (Marshall and NCSU). Whitner had a real good game, always around the ball and hits like a ton of bricks. It's like Salley is playing tentative after being a bear most of last year.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 7, 2004 2:21:55 PM)
See you all later.

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