Helwagen Chat: Nov. 11 Archive

Here are excerpts from Friday's Chat session with Bucknuts.com managing editor Steve Helwagen. He conducts these Chat sessions each week for subscribers.

ihate13 (Nov 11, 2004 1:04:13 PM)
why would they offer a gray shirt to ringer when he has offers from other top schools to play right away

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:06:16 PM)
my feeling is they sense he can use 2005 to rehab the injury properly, then come in and either play or redshirt (if need be) in 2006. Kind of keeps their options open. Personally, I think they are getting a little grayshirt happy. I agree, he has offers from other schools. Why not sign him, bring him in as a redshirt next year (or if he's healthy, then he plays in 2005).

MBuck37 (Nov 11, 2004 1:06:23 PM)
good morning all

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:06:38 PM)
Good morning and good afternoon to all west of the Mississippi.

edbuck51 (Nov 11, 2004 1:06:42 PM)
How do you think the Buckeyes are going to react to all that's going on this Saturday?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:07:58 PM)
I don't think the players give a flip one bit. Forgive the coaches, I guess, for being a bit distracted. After all, the O'Brien situation proves this could be any of their jobs at a moment's notice. But I don't think it will factor on the field. Ted Ginn is still going to be fast regardless of what Reecie says ... and that's all that matters right now.

buckeyenole (Nov 11, 2004 1:08:15 PM)
Hi Steve. Thanks for joining us today. What's the situation with EJ Underwood? Is he gonna make it back into the line up and will he back next year, contrary to what HH has said?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:09:37 PM)
The secondary situation is in a state of flux. Underwood came through and played well last week when Fox had to move to safety. E.J. is not one of their top 2 choices at corner right now, but will be if injuries continue to prevail. He put himself into the dog house. I have no update on what his status may be beyond this year, other than the rumors that were spread.

edbuck51 (Nov 11, 2004 1:09:43 PM)
Do you expect the NCAA to reopen investigations in the Clarrett case?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:10:46 PM)
Probably not on what we've heard here. Clarett lied to them before, so his word is mud in the eyes of the NCAA. He has no documentation anybody did anything wrong. What he said should be taken seriously at its face and I'm sure OSU will do its own in-house probe. But unless there is more, I can't see the NCAA getting too involved.

redondo (Nov 11, 2004 1:11:00 PM)
Hi Steve - A couple of years ago Purdue had a kicker, i believe Travis Dorsch, who was the Nugent of that year. I don't think he made it in pros, did he? by any chance do you know what became of him? It seems like it's really tough to make it asa kicker in the NFL. There are only 30 or so jobs and not that many open up each year. Thank you.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:12:07 PM)
I don't know about Dorsch. I remember him being a good one. CBS SportsLine has a good search engine for what schools NFL players attended. We'll have to check that out when we get a sec. Hey, Nugent is 8 of 9 lifetime from 50 and beyond off the ground through NFL -width goalposts. He'll be a first day draft pick.

buckmark (Nov 11, 2004 1:12:16 PM)
Seems like the real story surrounding Clarett is how shabby the story was done, conflicting reports from Marco Cooper, LeAndre Boone, Maldonado, etc. Is there any way that someone at BN may do a story on the story behind the story?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:14:19 PM)
The story behind the story was Clarett came to them with his story, they tried to get OSU's side, were largely rebuffed and went with it. Then, they found every malcontent they could to pile on with more meaningless BS. In some of these cases, these guys should never have been brought to Ohio State. That's why some of the things are going on now with admissions, pulling offers, etc. This is a huge can of worms on all sides. I'd start to work on it, but there are only 24 hours in a day.

ihate13 (Nov 11, 2004 1:14:26 PM)
if tress offers ringer will he accept on the spot

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:15:03 PM)
That's the indication we seem to get. But OSU is going slow because of the injury. The Ringer camp says academics are not a big issue. OSU is going slow on everybody, not just Ringer, because of academics.

buckeyenole (Nov 11, 2004 1:15:07 PM)
Do you think it's likely we hit the trifecta and end up with Gwaltney, Wells, AND Ringer? I hope so. I tend to think that the greyshirt idea is a good idea for Javon to rehab, but a redshirt will do the same. Are we gonna offer soon?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:15:52 PM)
No, absolutely not. They'll be lucky to get one of the first 2 and maybe Ringer. No indication an offer is imminent. He is coming over for the Michigan game, allegedly. We'll ask what he was told while he was here. That's all we can do.

edbuck51 (Nov 11, 2004 1:15:57 PM)
Rehring seemed to get less playing time versus MSU rather than more as was reported. Do you know why?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:16:38 PM)
He had a bad false start penalty and they yanked him. I did not chart plays on those guys, but I know he was pulled after a false start. That's the trade-off you get for playing green guys this deep into the year.

trolley (Nov 11, 2004 1:16:50 PM)
Have you had an opportunity to speak with an current OSU recruits or prospects on the MC situation? Will it have an impact.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:18:15 PM)
No, have not been in touch with any verbals. We will be working on getting in touch with 3 of the high profile ones in the next several days. Called 3 recruits with offers last night and they all sounded in the dark about it. It will have a major impact if there is more to it. If this is all there is, no, I don't see a major impact.

ihate13 (Nov 11, 2004 1:18:24 PM)
why does espn hate osu so much or is it geiger and tressel is it because of cooper he works for espn?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:19:35 PM)
Has nothing to do with Cooper. ESPN found a juicy story with this kid and went with it. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less. And just because you hate what they wrote and "it goes on everywhere," he's saying it happened here. None of us know for sure if it does or does not, do we?

MBuck37 (Nov 11, 2004 1:19:54 PM)
Good Afternoon Steve and Kirk! I'm going this Friday ti see Rico McCoy in a playoff Game against a pretty good School C.H Flowers. Will he be a Buckeye..I have a feeling that we have a good chance at getting D.Williams despite what public opinion says....Your thoughts..Thanks

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:20:47 PM)
They have a shot at McCoy, but he is also planning visits to at least Tennessee and Miami as well. No, I don't think they're in the running for Williams. Saw a recent report and OSU wasn't in his top six.

edbuck51 (Nov 11, 2004 1:20:55 PM)
The Buckeyes seem to have suffered more injuries this year than even last year. Do you think these guys will all mend and be ready to start '05 with a healthy slate?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:22:09 PM)
Tough call. This list is real long -- Kudla, Jordan, D'Andrea, Nicol, Whitner, Richardson, Salley and so on. I have heard that none of these are career threatening. Just get them back in the flow as soon as they can. That's all they can do.

TheMinnesotaBuckeye (Nov 11, 2004 1:22:16 PM)
How do you think the Smith/Zwick/Boeckman competition is going to play out in the next 2 years and three games?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:25:07 PM)
These 3 games are all Troy Smith, unless he throws a spate of INTs. Zwick may get some reps at some point in these 3 if OSU leads comfortably or if Smith falters. Boeckman, I feel, will not play any of these 3 games at this point, which is good. They will go into the spring dead even. They'll split the reps 3 ways and see who survives. I like Boeckman. He lacks game experience, but seems to be a real keeper. He could be real good by the time his "turn" arrives in 2007. In fact, his turn may arrive sooner than that. Should be a great competition. I would only be guessing if I declared a winner now for 2005, but I'd give Smith -- on the basis of wins -- the slight edge. If he can lead OSU to a win over Michigan, shut it down (just like Krenzel from 01 to 02).

redondo (Nov 11, 2004 1:25:19 PM)
Hi Steve - Looks like Coach Tressel is choosing to not man up the Purdue receivers. Tactical blunder or tactical stroke of genius (in light of Michigan's success in using man coverage against the Boilers)? Thank you.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:26:19 PM)
I don't know. We'll have to see. Tressel likes to keep plays in front of the defense than behind, which man can lead to. Plus, they are really dinged up in the secondary. Just make the best with what you have. I am concerned, especially if Orton can go.

MBuck37 (Nov 11, 2004 1:26:25 PM)
There's has been a lot of discussion about what RB's we will eventually get..J.Wells,M.Wells,Ringer,Gwaltney...Who will it be in your opinion.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:27:27 PM)
Just a guess, but this year I'll say Gwaltney and Ringer. Mo Wells may be hard to get away from down South. OSU definitely wants the junior, Chris Wells, next year, too. Doubt Stewart comes from the west coast.

Guest (Nov 11, 2004 1:27:33 PM)
Since John Kerr is not playing this year, will he have a red shirt or lose a year in eligibility?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:29:12 PM)
My contention is this is his sophomore year eligibility-wise and he'll be a junior next year. Shrouded in secrecy why he missed preseason and hasn't played. Team rules violation is what is always quoted. But he seems to be doing fine and should help them the next 2 years. Maybe they can petition to get a year back, provided both parties want it. Maybe he has a medical reason. I don't know because nobody will talk about it.

bucks4fun (Nov 11, 2004 1:29:22 PM)
Hi Steve, do you think our dline can actually put pressure on a qb this weekend given Purdues sudden deficiencies in pass protection.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:29:54 PM)
No, Purdue is famous for 3-step drop. If they are having protection problems, they'll just change the package back to quick release and negate the rush.

buckeyenole (Nov 11, 2004 1:30:01 PM)
Do you think that it will come down to an either or for Gwaltney and Wells. Or do you think that one will give up on us before it comes to that?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:30:54 PM)
OSU will take the first one that verbals. I do know that. Doubt they get them both. Wells doesn't seem to be in a hurry to decide. Gwaltney won't see WVU until Jan., either. Looks like nothing imminent.

iambucknute (Nov 11, 2004 1:31:02 PM)
Hello all...I heard Coach Tressel was not at practice today. Has anyone heard this & is there anything to it. Go Elks!!

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:31:31 PM)
Practice is held in the afternoon. His coach's show would have been from noon to 1, but I did not turn it on.

Guest (Nov 11, 2004 1:31:37 PM)
I've got a high school playoff question for you. With the injury to Jay Sharps, what's your opinion on the Westerville South vs. Hilliard Davidson game?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:32:38 PM)
Without J.Sharps, South could be in trouble. My sense is South is pretty good with Rocco Pentello at QB. But Davidson has been nearly dominant this year.

buckeyenole (Nov 11, 2004 1:33:07 PM)
What are your thoughts about the other LBs: Felder, Mathis, Beckum, and Daniels? What have you heard about Spitler? Have you heard about anything developing with the MLB from MN, Laurinaitis?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:34:16 PM)
Laurinatis may have an offer, I understand. Mathis from Pa. seems a possibility. Gary saw him live a week or 2 ago. Daniels will visit Okla. this weekend after his playoff game for the mugging with Nebraska. We'll know more if he comes back not a Sooner. Spitler sounds like a keep warm kid to me.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:34:27 PM)
Spitler has been to several games, though.

ihate13 (Nov 11, 2004 1:34:36 PM)
i've been searching the message boards like crazy for the last couple of days and came across a michigan comment about a gutirrez scandal do you know what happened to him?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:34:43 PM)
Sorry, no clue.

MBuck37 (Nov 11, 2004 1:34:50 PM)
I saw a recent report that WR Eric Sledge mentioned OSU on Count Down to Sigining Day as a School he would like to attend(top 5) do we have a legitimate shot to land him? Thanks Again.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:35:26 PM)
Yes, I talked to Eric several months ago and he was high on the Buckeyes then. I intend to get back in touch with him. If OSU has stayed with him, the Buckeyes could at least get a visit and go from there ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:35:32 PM)
Guys and gals, that's the big thing ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:36:23 PM)
Getting these kids to visit. We debate all these players. Until a visit is set, I only consider them partially interested in OSU. Once a visit is set, things heat up. If they visit, they could verbal at any time. That's the normal progression. Have to get that visit.

BuckeyeDave (Nov 11, 2004 1:36:32 PM)
Are there already plans to redshirt Schoenhoft?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:37:10 PM)
Yes, I would think. He needs a lot of work. Great kid, huge upside. But he needs to develop. Could be another really good one down the line.

Guest (Nov 11, 2004 1:37:22 PM)
Do you feel in your honest opinion that Smith is the type of quarterback to build a program around? I like is leadership in the huddle and the spark that he has provided to the team. Last week, it appeared he pulled the ball down and took off with it. Now I am sure there were several variables which created him for running, though is he uncomfortable in the pocket?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:39:14 PM)
My reply is he has gotten results, although they were against 3 teams with losing records (as of today, at least, with MSU). That's all that matters. They don't look at building their program around any one man. Tressel gets all kinds of QB questions thrown at him and he always says, "Yes, but we're concerned about right tackle, too with Kirk Barton and Tim Schafer ...."

ihate13 (Nov 11, 2004 1:39:30 PM)
don't you think the espn article is kinda hypocritical from the first sentence ? it says he got on a greyhound bus to go across country, is it just me or isn't the article about

ihate13 (Nov 11, 2004 1:39:32 PM)
cars and money that maurice had recieved? if so why is he going to la on a grey hound about 1 step from hitchhiking? seems odd.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:41:22 PM)
Yeah, the writer used his license to set the stage of this kid who was given everything because of who he was, then had it yanked away from him. It was well done from an artistic standpoint. And, as mad as it makes us to read it, I think any rational person has to ask themselves "Could any of this possibly be true?" Certainly, there is some truth in there somewhere. I have a lot of questions, though, myself and I'll bring them up in my Buckeye Grove column tomorrow.

buckmark (Nov 11, 2004 1:41:31 PM)
In spite of the three wins it is obvious that the offense is still a struggling unit. There has been a whole lot of conversation about why...execution, playcalling, lack of talent, etc. I'm believing it is a combination of all of them with the bulk of excuse on execution. If you can execute, then you can overcome the others.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:43:44 PM)
I agree. The offense has come to a point where they are waiting on some punt return or 50-yard catch-and-run to bail them out. It's great to have big play capability, but great defenses (OK, Michigan's is only really good) will eliminate those (see Andre Johnson and Willis McGahee, Ohio State vs. Miami, 2003 Fiesta Bowl). I like that Maurice Hall has sparked the running game a little bit. I like that Troy Smith gained confidence throwing off his own end zone in the fourth quarter and completing passes for the win in the 2-minute drill. All good signs. But there is still NO consistency here with this "attack." They need to start making wholesale changes beginning on Jan. 2 (or whenever they're done).

obuck (Nov 11, 2004 1:44:21 PM)
Will OSU take a fullback this year, and if so what are some recruits on their board

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:45:19 PM)
Maybe a kid like Conredge Collins from Fla., although he views himself as a TB. Dionte Johnson is now the starter as a true freshman, although we know injuries happen all the time at that position. They're OK for next year with Schnittker and White there to back him up.

ihate13 (Nov 11, 2004 1:45:24 PM)
he had the show i listened

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:45:31 PM)
Good, he's not missing in action.

TheMinnesotaBuckeye (Nov 11, 2004 1:45:40 PM)
Where is the extremely heavy emphasis on academics coming from and when did it start? I get the impression it's harder to get a player into OSU than anywhere else in the Big 10. Am I correct? Is this going to affect our competitiveness at some point?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:46:22 PM)
I have no way to compare what other schools are doing. Look at what these type of standards have done to Notre Dame. Other than the black athlete comment, Paul Hornung was dead on with what he said about ND and its admissions policies. OSU made these moves in the last 2-3 years after numerous academic black eyes (the 6 Prop 48s in the 1999 class -- Richard Hall and the rest). They needed to do something. What they're doing may be an overexaggeration ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:48:22 PM)
People want Ringer and Freddie Lenix in this class, but the football program has a very small credit line to draw on right now after marginals like Reggie Smith and Dareus Hiley just flunked out. Look big picture and you'll see the answer, even if you don't like it for individual cases ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:48:55 PM)
And with Ringer, there seems to be a difference of opinion. His side says he's good to go, while, obviously, somebody at OSU beyond the HC is putting their foot down.

buckmark (Nov 11, 2004 1:49:00 PM)
I heard Tress' show...he was there.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:49:03 PM)
Good.

Guest (Nov 11, 2004 1:49:08 PM)
Hello Steve, will OSU recruit Phillip Pollard of South? I have seen him throw the discus and he is very athletic...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:50:21 PM)
I think he was in OSU's camp and they took a pass on him then. I saw a report from the Pitt Scout.com site that he said he dominated Todd Denlinger from Troy last week. Maybe the coaches will subpoeana that tape and see if he's for real.

BuckeyeDave (Nov 11, 2004 1:50:28 PM)
I'm glad this hasn't turned into a Maurice Clarett free-for-all!

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:50:31 PM)
Me too

Guest (Nov 11, 2004 1:50:36 PM)
I heard him on the coach's show. Someone asked him if the offense would try to not sit on the lead in the future and he evaded the question by saying "When you're up 17-0 you want to make sure it doesn't become 17-7 and our defense didn't do that." That's pretty frustrating. Steve, as a journalist, how do you feel when Coach "Tressels" you like that?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:52:26 PM)
Typical Tressel, not to deflect blame from himself, but just always takes it and turns it so you view things differently. He just thinks he's coaching every play as its own entity. He doesn't believe he's sitting on a lead ... even when he may be.

ihate13 (Nov 11, 2004 1:52:37 PM)
is gameday comming down for the game?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:52:48 PM)
Have not heard that. I'm sure somewhere there's a big game that week like Wisconsin-Iowa. They may want to go there, since it's on ESPN and could mean 11-0 for the Badgers.

5starbuck (Nov 11, 2004 1:54:33 PM)
Hi Steve... Are you pretty much convinced D Williams and J King are out of the picture with the Bucks? What about M Aleaze... think we have any shot?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:56:27 PM)
Yes, Williams and King and also Doering all seem to be pipe dreams at this point. Alaeze, I spoke to him about 6 weeks ago. ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:57:33 PM)
He says he still plans to visit here as well as Miami and FSU, but Maryland and Va. Tech are 1 and 1A for him now.

edbuck51 (Nov 11, 2004 1:57:37 PM)
Speaking of visits, Doering came a couple of times on his own, now we are just out of it. Do you think this is because we are getting Boone?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:58:07 PM)
No, I don't think that's entirely it. I just think all along it's been Iowa or ND for him. I know he is looking at some other places. We'll see.

5starbuck (Nov 11, 2004 1:58:27 PM)
Steve.. also curious if you are getting any feedback on the development of E Haw...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 1:59:14 PM)
I think he's coming along well, from what I've heard. Again, practices are closed, so it;'s hard to say in any definitive nature. Too bad he didn't get to play. Hope that decision pays dividends down the line.

edbuck51 (Nov 11, 2004 1:59:34 PM)
I heard on the boards how Smith's feet were a great asset. I haven't seen that to date. He's got decent mobility, but doesn't run as well as Krenzel IMO. Does he have more running skill than he's shown, or am I not realizing his running skill?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:00:10 PM)
We remarked that Sat. when he ran the option there wasn't much explosion there. I think he's above average but would not say he has remarkable speed.

bucks4fun (Nov 11, 2004 2:00:16 PM)
Will we see more of M. Hall and A. Pittman and less of Ross and Joe this Saturday.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:00:44 PM)
No, if anything they will ease Pittman back in. pecking order probably is Hall, Joe, Ross, Pittman, in my mind.

edbuck51 (Nov 11, 2004 2:00:54 PM)
It's hard to imaging MoC having a "buddy" in Hollywood, when he doesn't even seem to have buddies in his own hometown.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:01:02 PM)
Who knows with this cat.

yooperbuck (Nov 11, 2004 2:01:11 PM)
If Woody was still here, what do you think he would do to cure this anemic offense?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:02:31 PM)
That is hard to say. Keep them there for 3 hours every day until they got it right. If Woody was a big sweep guy, he may add that to repertoire because their next one will be the first, it seems/

BuckeyeDave (Nov 11, 2004 2:02:36 PM)
What changes do you propose for the offense on Jan 2nd? What do you think they will actually do?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:03:37 PM)
They need to study everything from design to personnel to execution. Offensive mind-set. Defenses are on to whatever it is that Tressel is trying to do, whatever has worked (reasonably) well for him in the past. People are on to it. They know what's coming before they run it. ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:04:57 PM)
The reverse to Ginn was so well set up by the option play by Smith just before it. That type of set-up has been lacking all year -- a wrinkle off something they've done already to beat you. Nothing Ohio State does ever leads back to anything, like good teams seem to do. Find out who's moving the ball on offense, sequester their videotapes and take some freaking notes.

zman (Nov 11, 2004 2:05:15 PM)
Regarding the whole Clarett fiasco: I know for a fact that Mo Clarett had a membership to the Westerville Athletic Club. From what I remember, those were in excess of $1000. First, why would any member of the football team need a membership at a club when they have one of the nicest facilities in the country? Second, if he were to ever assert that JT "set this up" as well, I wouldn't believe it because of the same reasoning. I think Mo took all he could on his own because he wanted all he could get. Makes me think of the "One & Done" article and all of his other antics. The selfish and immature pattern is well established. Personally, I'm in the "consider the source" camp and try to not let it bother me much.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:06:47 PM)
My feeling is Mo got perks like that on his own. Places like that let athletes come in and test the facilities. A high profile kid like that is a great drawing card for a gym like that. Maybe they gave him a discount rate, I don't know. I know Clarett was on again, off again about working out at OSU. Yep, I agree, consider the source.

edbuck51 (Nov 11, 2004 2:06:59 PM)
Are football recruits being accepted by the same academic standards as regular students?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:07:25 PM)
Yeah, and that's the problem because a lot of these football kids don't have what they need to match up to what the "new" admissions standards are.

ihate13 (Nov 11, 2004 2:07:37 PM)
you know what sucks about this mo c scandal is now i a real hardcore fan now has a huge doubt about a man who i thought was really as close to perfect as a football coach could be this all sucks

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:08:20 PM)
Yep, Tressel seems (or seemed) like the guy who could be here 20 years. Woody had some similar issues early in his career, but got it all straightened out and lasted 28 years. So don't give up hope just yet.

edbuck51 (Nov 11, 2004 2:08:24 PM)
Does the team fly or take a bus to West Lafayette?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:10:05 PM)
On trips like this, they bus over and fly back. That is also the case this week. That is Big Ten policy on all trips under 4 hours, I believe. So under that thinking, they would bus to IU, PU, UM and MSU and fly to and from the rest. Keeps the costs reasonable.

trolley (Nov 11, 2004 2:10:20 PM)
Looking ahead 9 days -- what are the keys for us to beat UM?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:11:25 PM)
Youboty must match up with Braylon. That's first and foremost. Then, OSU must contain Hart and pressure Henne. Those are the big things. Offensively, they need to continue to make some progress and not turn it over. Two kick returns from Ted that day would also be welcome (ha ha).

Guest (Nov 11, 2004 2:11:37 PM)
Steve - sorry to be late, but what's your take on the O-line play against MSU?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:13:29 PM)
They did not play exceptionally well, although it was hard to get any continuity with the constant lineup changes. The good thing is they now have 7-8 guys they think can play some with Rehring, Barton and Downing joining the original 5 in the rotation. Too many silent possessions. No sustained drives. They won on big plays, which obviously the OL contributed on. But you can't count on those alone to beat good teams.

Guest (Nov 11, 2004 2:13:41 PM)
Steve, what happen to that 3 game prediction thread - "Question of the Day" I think it was called. Are you saving it, and showing the results after the bowl game? FWIW, I still think we win out...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:16:42 PM)
I got booted, but I jotted down several of the questions.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:17:00 PM)
First regarding the Question of the Day thread and the predictions ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:17:29 PM)
I recapped that in Buckeye Grove last week. We had 29 people predict records. nine said 3-0, 11 said 2-1, 4 said 1-2 and 5 said 0-3 (sorry losers). People then gave the games they thought OSU would win. 22 of 26 predicted an MSU win (nice job), 13 of 26 said Purdue and 15 of 26 said Michigan. Interesting results. Maybe we'll revisit that after the UM game, Good idea.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:18:29 PM)
As I said, I jotted some of the pending questions down ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:18:40 PM)
Next one was about more evidence from ESPN ....

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:19:17 PM)
There is a nasty rumor that maybe something else is out there. I have not seen the mag, so I don't know if there is more in the mag that what was online and on TV. We'll see I guess.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:19:30 PM)
Somebody asked about Jonathan Stewart ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:20:03 PM)
OSU needs to get him here on a trip. He is booking visits now and OSU is among 4 schools vying for his last 2 trips. Looking less likely with each passing day, I'd say.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:20:19 PM)
Someone asked about Hawk and Nugent as All-Americans ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:20:43 PM)
Would have to think that's going to happen, at least on some of the teams. How about that? Two guys from the same high school and college. Wow.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:21:02 PM)
Someone asked if I think the recruiting class will fizzle as a result of all of this ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:22:57 PM)
Great question. Worthington is now saying he wants to take 5 visits. That is potentially devastating. Gary saw him and loves him. really hurts now that Lawrence Wilson is going to ND. The OSU coaches need to stay on Worthington. Joe Daniels is recruiting him. You always hear the Boone and O'Neal rumors. We shall see.

BuckeyeDave (Nov 11, 2004 2:23:03 PM)
How about Hawk and Mangold as All-americans next season?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:23:47 PM)
Yep, their both from Centerville ... but will they both be A-A next year? Not unless this offense gets in gear. Nobody on that unit deserves All-Big Ten first team, IMO.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:24:55 PM)
Next week in Grove I will share my All-Big Ten picks, should be fun.

edbuck51 (Nov 11, 2004 2:25:02 PM)
Coach Conley said that besides J.Stewart, JT called Henne personally. On the boards, we never seemed to think there was ever a chance of getting him. Do you think the Bucks ever had a shot at him?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:25:44 PM)
No, I never thought OSU had a shot at Henne. That's great that Tressel thinks some recruits are important enough for him to call them personally. That really helps when the head coach is a point person.

edbuck51 (Nov 11, 2004 2:27:12 PM)
Do you think the Wolfpack can handle Bobby's boys in Raliegh tonight?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:28:31 PM)
Nope, I said FSU 27-24, a loss that will deny that great N.C. State juggernaut a bowl bid for the first time since 1999, I believe.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:28:43 PM)
Is there anything else today?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:29:41 PM)
Be sure to check out Kyle Lamb's latest "Schott In The Arm" column on the premium basketball board. My picks are on the Buckeye Grove board and I'll have another Grove column tomorrow. Gary should be here Friday.

Guest (Nov 11, 2004 2:29:46 PM)
Thanks a lot Steve.

BuckeyeDave (Nov 11, 2004 2:30:13 PM)
GO Bucks! Thanks Steve. See you at Purdue!

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:30:20 PM)
We'll be there.

ihate13 (Nov 11, 2004 2:30:40 PM)
predict um osu

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:30:57 PM)
Leaning toward UM, but let's see how everybody does this weekend.

BuckeyeDave (Nov 11, 2004 2:31:01 PM)
Section 19A!

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:31:14 PM)
Great! These teams always play classics, don't they?

ihate13 (Nov 11, 2004 2:33:08 PM)
thx steve i appreciate all you do

BuckeyeDave (Nov 11, 2004 2:33:14 PM)
I was there for 4th and 1 1/2 too! Who rotates on and off next season? Wisc is off. Thatas too bad. Think Coach Tressel will ever agree to a night game there again?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:33:22 PM)
thanks

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:33:36 PM)
Purdue and Wisconsin rotate off for Illinois and Minnesota

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:35:19 PM)
The schedule next year is Miami(O), Texas (think ABC night game), San Diego State (think another 16-13 stinkfest), Iowa, at PSU, MSU, at Indiana, at Minnesota, Illinois, NW, at Michigan. If they get by Texas and win the home games, that's a potential NC caliber schedule.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:38:20 PM)
A great road sked with at PSU (great place to visit, hard to get to), at IU (not a great place to visit and can be hard to get to), Minnesota (great place to visit for the city) and UM (The Game).

SteveHelwagen (Nov 11, 2004 2:38:27 PM)
Gotta go. See you later.

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