Lamb Chat: May 12 Archive

Here is the archive of Thursday's Chat session with Bucknuts.com basketball correspondent Kyle Lamb.

BuckeyeHoops (May 12, 2005 3:09:19 PM)
Kyle, big fan of your stories and columns. Im here from Scotch Plains, NJ the home of Lance Thomas. I always knew him and Derrick Character had potential to be at a huge school for hoops. Whats the real possibility of Lance or maybe both being interested?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:09:49 PM)
Okay, well let's begin... and I will start with the Lance Thomas/ Caracter question...

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:10:27 PM)
I think Thomas is a legit possibility, especially as he seems to be wide open early. Right now, it seems like Arizona and Duke are the leaders for Thomas, but there's time for Ohio State to make progress...

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:11:04 PM)
Caracter, meanwhile, is probably less a fit for Ohio State than Thomas. I would imagine he would at least show interest if Ohio State wants him, simply because he really seems to like the idea of playing with the usual suspects, Conley and Oden

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:11:23 PM)
Okay, let the questions fire away

riverwatchbucknut (May 12, 2005 3:12:40 PM)
Kyle with Thomas now coming out of the woodwork is there any other top 50 types you see ohio state getting in on?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:13:59 PM)
I think you could still see Ohio State pop up with a few more guys, especially at the four. Ohio State seems to be turning their focus on to that position since the majority of the work with Conley and Oden is already done. Now it's just a matter of the kids making their decisions and announcing

riverwatchbucknut (May 12, 2005 3:14:04 PM)
What do you feel our chances are with Webster from Minnesota I believe sounds like a great piece to fit in with Oden and he can eventually be a replacement as well?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:14:40 PM)
The chances for Webster appears to be rather slim. Ohio State got there a little too late by all indications. I know that reportedly Ohio State has liked Webster a lot, but they were never able to get in, and when they did, it wasn't likely in time

drderm (May 12, 2005 3:14:49 PM)
Kyle, don't you also report for the Cincy scout site? What is the word on the street about what is going on with Huggins and their basketball program? That job is a plum now that they are Big East.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:15:38 PM)
I helped get the Bearcat Insider site off the ground, and I do still help now and then with reports and news coming from that way, but it has been mostly turned over to Dave Berk to run full time. The word about Huggins is that he could be in some trouble with the administration, and his days could be numbered.

capbuck77 (May 12, 2005 3:15:45 PM)
Hey Kyle. How do you see the class of 2006 shaping up for Ohio State? It seems like mostly everything will be decided by early July.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:16:51 PM)
I think it's a safe bet that probably four spots would be locked up by the time the camps roll around in July. Some of these options for PF (or more loosely referred to as the fifth spot), might go into the fall... for instance, Thaddeus Young, Lance Thomas, Raymar Morgan, Jamil Tucker, etc.

Schaumbuck (May 12, 2005 3:17:06 PM)
Since the probability of Oden and Conley becoming Buckeyes has risen higher lately, especially after the Cook commit, what was it like for you to be able to witness their ability firsthand at the Spiece tournament? Does it get you fired up for them to become part of Matta's Ohio State program?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:18:20 PM)
Having seen them before, I knew what they could do. I had not seen much of Conley previously, though, and I was very impressed with how solid he was in every facet of the game. He's not the explosive scorer/shooter that some guys at his position have been in recent memory, but he is the prototypical point guard. If Ohio State closes the deal on he and Greg Oden, it will be very big for the program

vocky (May 12, 2005 3:18:25 PM)
Kyle, have you heard anything more on the sanctions that might come down from the NCAA. And does the dismissal of this weeks legal case help us in anyway.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:19:57 PM)
Although it is true that the NCAA does it's own investigation, and this dismissal doesn't necessarily preclude further sanctions, I think it goes a long way into helping the case considering the NCAA holds no subpeona power, and it means nothing will drag on further. I think if anything does happen by way of the Roslovic/Salyeers angle, it will simply be retroactive as far as the program is concerned in removing banners and such

capbuck77 (May 12, 2005 3:20:11 PM)
So in your opnion Conley and Oden already a part of our class?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:21:46 PM)
Not yet. I would say Ohio State has a good beat on them, however. Illinois and North Carolina wanted them for visits, and they seem to be lukewarm about that idea. That leads me to believe they are happy choosing from Ohio State and Wake Forest. Oden will be in Bloomington this weekend for the Adidas May Classic (as I too will probably be there Sunday), and certainly they may meet with Mike Davis, but I don't think Indiana is a major factor

stone cold buckeye (May 12, 2005 3:21:53 PM)
Why are we now hearing that the Conley and Oden announcements could go into July? Is this bad for us or are they waiting to see what the NBA does???

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:23:06 PM)
It's certainly possible it could stretch out that long, but I will be very surprised if it does. My hunch is that it will be over with by the beginning of June. Right now, I think the parties involve figure it's best just to lower expectations and the pressure on them until they are ready. After all, if they came out and said a decision would be coming in three days... the phone calls and attention would skyrocket

MJ (May 12, 2005 3:23:13 PM)
Are there any new schools seriously trying to get involved with Conley and Oden?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:23:38 PM)
Certainly a number of schools have tried, but I think they stopped letting new schools in the process a while back

drderm (May 12, 2005 3:23:52 PM)
Is Mayes allowed to attend personal workouts with the staff if his year is over? Is Bell? I think freshman cannot, but I wonder if a JUCO can start right in. I would be curious to see how the staff will use Mayes.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:24:53 PM)
Yes. All incoming freshmen are allowed to join the team for activities in the summer provided they are adhering to all the normal NCAA rules. That means both Sylvester Mayes and Brayden Bell would be allowed to work out with the team

vocky (May 12, 2005 3:25:05 PM)
Kyle, if you were a big time recruit would you want to be part of a big time class with a lot of talent so your team could shine. Or would you want to be "the man" on another team, which would increase your likelihood of making it to the NBA.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:26:24 PM)
For me personally, I would like to be apart of a team concept and try to win a national title. Now, I know a lot of kids would like to be able to showcase their abilities and that's not necessarily always a bad thing. It depends from recruit to recruit. My concept is that playing with four other talented players will get you the attention you need to make it to the next level

BuckeyeHoops (May 12, 2005 3:26:35 PM)
Kyle, how much does the NBA's potential decision to require a minimum age help or hurt us in the future. More specifically, this whole class of 06 has potential to move into the NBA after 2 years of school at OSU, where does that leave is in 08 and further down the road if we can only hand out x-amount of scholarships, etc.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:28:26 PM)
It's kind of funny, but with Jim O'Brien as Ohio State's head coach, I think most people on Bucknuts would have almost been fine with the NBA rule NOT passing, as O'Brien certainly didn't go after those types of players anyhow. But with Thad Matta, it's obvious that he's holding nothing back in recruitng the best of the best. It makes sense then, that for the next several years, an NBA rule could only help Ohio State with Cook, Mullens, possibly Oden, and maybe even a Lauderdale, Gates, Gordon, or whoever down the line

rbuck (May 12, 2005 3:28:42 PM)
Lets say God looks down on us and they commit. Who do you think finishes off this class, if anyone at all?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:29:26 PM)
I assume "they" means Mike Conley and Greg Oden? If they commit to Ohio State, I would think that OSU would focus on one of the pool of players I mentioned (Young, Thomas, Tucker, Morgan, etc)

drderm (May 12, 2005 3:29:38 PM)
Which teammate of Lighty's are we targeting and do you think he would help us with him? Is it Dallas or Pogue?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:31:02 PM)
Ohio State likes Dallas Lauderdale a lot. He's Lighty's teammate on the Titans AAU team. DeJuan Pursley, a 6-8 PF from the 07 class is also another kid Ohio State likes early on. I think Aaron Pogue is someone that Ohio State will continue to keep an eye on, but Oden seems to be the first priority, followed by Lauderdale in the 07 class. Simply having room for Pogue could be the issue

MJ (May 12, 2005 3:31:27 PM)
Have you had a chance to contact D. Cook to get his opinion about the delay? How many games does he have let with Conley and Cook?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:32:22 PM)
I have not been talking to any of those kids now. I'm giving them their space until it all plays out. He still has several more tournaments with Oden and Conley, however. I think he would say the same... that they need time to relax and think about things before coming out with their decision.

vocky (May 12, 2005 3:32:38 PM)
Kyle, what does Thad Matta have that other coaches dont have in terms of recruiting. Is it that he is younger and can relate to them better. It seems that he only needed to be on a big time campus, for him to recruit the top athletes in the country.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:33:40 PM)
I think Matta is just always one step ahead. I think Skip Prosser, Tom Izzo, and guys like that are great recruiters, and I wouldn't say Matta is head and shoulders ahead of them, but he just seems to really relate well to the kids, and he seems to do well at making good impressions on them.

drderm (May 12, 2005 3:33:55 PM)
Kyle I take it you are withholding a new Schott column and recruiting chart update until after a Conley/Oden decision?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:34:56 PM)
Actually, i'm in the process of working on it now. It will feature comments from Thad Matta, assistant John Groce, and will focus on their Indiana roots in general and kind of how they got to Ohio State and what they think of the job so far. I'll have more information as always, but this next edition I believe people will enjoy a lot, and will be more feature driven

riverwatchbucknut (May 12, 2005 3:35:17 PM)
How do our chances compare with Young and Thomas? Which one do we seem to have a better shot at? And which one do you think is better for OSU?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:35:59 PM)
Right now, Thomas would seem to be more of a likely possibility, and I think he's also a better fit in that he's a true power forward. However, the OSU staff would probably love to land either one

drderm (May 12, 2005 3:36:05 PM)
Have you had a chance to see Delvon Roe play? He seems right for our system,although I know we dont do well with St E kids.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:36:48 PM)
He's a terrific basketball player, and I think he's got every bit as much potential as Gates or Mullens. Right now, i'm not sure Roe has gotten quite the attention from Ohio State early on as the other two, but that could certainly change

riverwatchbucknut (May 12, 2005 3:36:53 PM)
I saw a list in USA Today listing Chichester (sp?) in the top 40 nationally do you feel he is that good?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:37:26 PM)
I tend to think that's a little high for him, but he's not far off. I do know he has the potential to be that good. If he plays football, it may not matter.

drderm (May 12, 2005 3:37:37 PM)
With all the 2006 talk, I am still excited over this years team, it has been awhile since we have had a running athletic team, I think our PPG goes up a few.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:38:36 PM)
Jamar Butler is the key to this season's success. I think even with the same Butler Ohio State fans saw last year, Ohio State still wins 20-22 games this season. I fully expect his handle to be much improved this year, and I think you will see a much more confident Jamar Butler-- especially from the outside.

BuckeyeHoops (May 12, 2005 3:38:52 PM)
Speculation of course, but is Matta the next Coach K, chosing in 2012 to stay with the team that brings him fame, instead of the lucrative deals that the NBA will undoubtely offer him, especially because of OSU's size and ability to compete in salary?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:39:55 PM)
It's really hard to compare him to anyone just yet, as i'm sure even he would tell you. He has such ambitious goals for the program and I don't think he's come close to meeting them yet (i.e., a final four, national title, or even Big Ten titles). But certainly what he has done in five years is pretty impressive.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:40:37 PM)
Speaking of his first five years, one of the things I will be doing in the next Schott in the Arm column is kind of give you a little background into what he has accomplished so far in his career, and show you how it stacks up against some of the coaching legends.

capbuck77 (May 12, 2005 3:40:47 PM)
What other teams in the Big Ten are putting together good recruiting classes for 2005 or 2006?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:42:29 PM)
The Big Ten recruiting looks to be very solid, if not spectactular, especially for 2006. Michigan is putting together a very good class, which could feature Tory Jackson, Tom Herzog, and DeShawn Sims on top of K'Len Morris. Michigan State expects to sign a solid class. Illinois has a chance at Jon Scheyer still, while they lead for Sherron Collins and may even get Brian Carlwell, who I personally love a lot. Wisconsin is also in line for a great class. Purdue and Indiana could still bring in some talent. All in all, it's shaping out nicely for the Big Ten

vocky (May 12, 2005 3:42:37 PM)
Kyle, how much influence do you think these message boards and your chats have on these possible recruits. Do you think they read what other people are saying about them.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:43:44 PM)
If there's one thing everyone should know, it's that people are definitely watching. Coaches, parents, recruits, and reporters are always watching. The things that flow through public circles would stun the common poster. So yes, I think message boards can be very influential in kids' recruitments

riverwatchbucknut (May 12, 2005 3:44:05 PM)
When is the date for the early signing period? It would be nice to at least have these players signed as soon as possible.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:44:42 PM)
I will have to look up the exact date, but I believe it begins the second Wednesday in November. All of the kids we have talked about will probably sign during that time wherever they are committed to

vocky (May 12, 2005 3:44:50 PM)
Kyle, I am from Upper Sandusky, and I am sure you have seen Jon Diebler play. Have you heard anything about him wanting to come to tOSU, or do you think his committment to Valpo is pretty solid. It would be hard to believe if he was a big time recruit that he would want to play at Valpo with his brother.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:45:12 PM)
Right now he seems solid. Ohio State would be one of the schools he considers strongly if something changes. But for now, he's solid to Valpo

riverwatchbucknut (May 12, 2005 3:45:20 PM)
What are the chances Cook goes pro? Alot of the Wake fans seem to be using the case that if conley comes here he will be left alone since cook and oden might go pro? Obviously this doesnt matter if there is the age restriction

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:46:00 PM)
Cook very much wants to make it to the NBA, but the chances are more likely he ends up at Ohio State. Even if the NBA rule didn't pass, I think he would play at least a year at OSU if Conley and Oden came too.

Schaumbuck (May 12, 2005 3:46:13 PM)
Adding to drderm's Q above, in what type of physical shape do you expect Terrence Dials to come into next season in? I know Matta wants even more out of him in that aspect than he had to contribute last season. Are there strong indications Terrence is going to go for it in a big way in that area during the off season?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:47:04 PM)
I think you will see Dials more trim and agile, as you saw last year. O'Brien wanted to bulk him up a bit, but when Matta came in, he tried to get him leaner and quicker. That trend will probably continue. They want him strong, but they want him to be able to run the floor as well.

Guest (May 12, 2005 3:47:09 PM)
Where does the 2005 OSU recruiting class (Lewis, Bell, and Mayes) rank in the Big 10?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:48:07 PM)
For MJ, the OSU recruiting class from 2005 probably stacks up around third, fourth, or fifth against the other Big Ten classes. I think Lewis and Mayes are as good as instant newcomers as there are in the league, however.

nuts4bucs (May 12, 2005 3:48:22 PM)
Since the pw for this chat is Oden, I'll be the first to ask - What's the word on the street, in the halls or just your gut feeling - tOSU, WF or NBA?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:49:37 PM)
Well, I have no problems in answering that the chances of him at OSU or WF is far greater in my honest opinion than the NBA. Now as far as the other two, it could go either way, and Indiana is still lingering. But Ohio State is in a good position, at least.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:50:08 PM)
We are all caught up on questions, at the moment if there are any others you would like to ask

drderm (May 12, 2005 3:51:14 PM)
Does the new staff recuit up in MI at all or is that state ignored with the new staff?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:52:41 PM)
Michigan will be treated by this staff as most other states in the area. They will recruit particular guys that fit their criteria if they come along. I don't think it will be ignored, but I think Ohio and Indiana will be scoured upon as the "home base" for the most part. They want to definitely keep the top Ohio talent in state, and also cash in on their many relationships throughout the state of Indiana first and foremost.

nuts4bucs (May 12, 2005 3:52:49 PM)
It seems like all of a sudden there's info on Mayo, such as who has offered, who his favorites are and such. Any love being given or received from/to the Buckeyes?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:54:17 PM)
No one, honestly, has really been recruiting Mayo very actively, including Ohio State. Any particular school list from him so to speak is mostly just his preferences (although I believe his Florida A&M inclusion was in jest). That being said, Ohio State has mildly kept up with him as others have done, and if for some reason his interests in college become evident, i'm sure Ohio State will look more into it.

BuckeyeHoops (May 12, 2005 3:54:38 PM)
How often do you get out of the mid-west to check up on these other recruits now coming from the east and the west sides of the country, and how do you maintain such an open line of communication above so many others?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:56:03 PM)
Well, given that previously there had not been too much reason to keep an eye on some of the national recruits, I have not done so very much. With so much attention being given to top recruits, I will begin to get out to many of the top AAU events on the circuit, and that will help as I get to see many more top players. As far as the other question, it's just a matter of having built up solid relationships with people and it usually opens doors for others.

drderm (May 12, 2005 3:56:11 PM)
I see Lighty referred to as a SF in some print and internet stuff. Is he more of a SG or SF on the wing? Also what is the accurate height for him?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:56:59 PM)
He's about 6'5 legitimately. As far as his true position, I would say he's a wing in college, but he will be a two-guard at the next level if he gets there. For Thad Matta's offense, a two and three are interchangeable.

drderm (May 12, 2005 3:57:05 PM)
I wonder how Malik Hairstons mindset is now that Oregon had a poor season and he could be poised for greatness as a Buckeye should he have stayed and the current regime stayed.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:58:11 PM)
Really tough to say. He liked Ohio State for Jim O'Brien and Lamonta Stone. Even if he had been at Ohio State, you have to wonder if he would have regretted his decision until Matta actually got to Columbus. I'm sure he would have adapted. Either way, I doubt Hairston regrets anything.

vocky (May 12, 2005 3:58:22 PM)
Kyle, in your opinion what will our record be next year, and how far will we make it in the tourney.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 3:59:03 PM)
I see next year's team finishing with about 22 wins, possibly up to 24 or 25. I see them around third to fifth in the Big Ten. I think they have the potential to contend, and I think they could be a Sweet Sixteen team if things go well.

muskiebuck (May 12, 2005 3:59:33 PM)
How well do you see our PF/C from Cincinnati and Braydon Bell playing this year in support of our starting

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 4:00:24 PM)
I assume you mean Matt Terwilliger? Terwilliger I think will be a solid back-up to Dials this season at center. I think he will give Ohio State quality minutes. Bell, in my opinion, only will see a lot of minutes this season if he can be a little tougher than Sylvester or Harris.

vocky (May 12, 2005 4:00:32 PM)
Who is going to be the key man, that has to back up Dials this year when he gets into foul trouble.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 4:01:02 PM)
That would be Terwilliger. Based on the progress he reportedly made in practice at the end of this last season, I think the staff is confident he can give those valuable minutes.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 4:01:40 PM)
We have about five more minutes for any last questions

muskiebuck (May 12, 2005 4:01:51 PM)
Is Terwilliger bulking up any? Sorry-did not see him play this year. Will he be able to face up or will he need to posy his man to to be effective-i.e. will he get in our center's way?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 4:02:47 PM)
I have not seen him since the end of the season to answer your first question. But, I know they wanted to put a little more muscle on him. They want him to be able to face up some, but at the end of the day, he will need to be able to post up on the block, and get strong with the ball.

BuckeyeHoops (May 12, 2005 4:03:02 PM)
Will the Class of 06 (speculating that Oden, Conley, and Lighty/Thomas finish out the class) be seeing a huge amount of playing time as freshman, and how many people can we concievably recruit to place behind them given there unbelievable talent?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 4:04:00 PM)
The first answer is yes, they would see a lot of playing time immediately. The second answer is that a couple of those guys (Cook and Oden) would probably only be there two years at the most, so by the time the 2007 class got to Columbus, they would (in some cases) only have to spend one year as a backup. I think Eric Gordon is a good example of that.

nuts4bucs (May 12, 2005 4:04:07 PM)
His name escapes me, but do the BUCS have a legitimate shot at the kid from Memphis (his team plays against the Spiece this coming weekend)? If so, what a class of 2006 could end up being!!!

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 4:04:43 PM)
I think there's a shot. I keep hearing North Carolina, Memphis, Kansas, and Ohio State as the teams for Thaddeus Young. He will be a tough pry for Ohio State, but they are in the mix.

vocky (May 12, 2005 4:04:55 PM)
Kyle, i was wondering how recruits who average a lot of points in high school, ie 30ppg, dont seem to have it at the next level, ala Butler and especially Brandon Fuss.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 4:05:52 PM)
Sometimes it's mentality, sometimes it's competition, sometimes it's just not ever being able to adjust to a new speed, a new level of play. WIth Fuss-Cheatham, the injuries really slowed his progress, and he just never developed his jump shot.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 4:06:14 PM)
As far as Butler, I really think it's way too early to write him off. I know he's a much better shooter than what he showed last year.

nuts4bucs (May 12, 2005 4:06:40 PM)
Do you see Chichester verballing for football and walking on the bb team - hopefully at tOSU?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 4:07:02 PM)
It's too early to say where, but yes, I do believe Chichester will now decide to sign for football and walk-on for hoops.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 4:07:31 PM)
Illinois, Notre Dame, Purdue, and Ohio State seem to be the top candidates thus far for Chichester, might I add.

nuts4bucs (May 12, 2005 4:08:21 PM)
Could Lawrence Wilson do the same for our teams this coming year - play and contribute for both sports?

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 4:08:47 PM)
I don't see him contributing in basketball, but he would be a great practice player.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 4:09:06 PM)
I have time for maybe one or two more questions!

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 4:11:16 PM)
Okay guys, well I am going to take off. It was great chatting with everyone! I might be heading over to Bloomington this weekend (or at least, on Sunday) to watch Spiece, Thaddeus' Memphis team, and a few others. I will have a lot of reports coming if I do!

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 4:11:34 PM)
So thanks for coming today, and take care!

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 4:11:59 PM)
Goodbye folks

ToMac (May 12, 2005 4:12:17 PM)
Thanks Kyle.

Kyle S. Lamb (May 12, 2005 4:12:29 PM)
Later, thanks to you too


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