Helwagen Chat: May 19 Archive

Here is the archive of Thursday's Chat with Bucknuts.com managing editor Steve Helwagen. Gary Housteau will host a Chat at 1 p.m. Friday.

JimC (May 19, 2005 1:05:17 PM)
Hi Steve, Is Lee Tilley going to camp at OSU? Will he get an offer?

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:07:03 PM)
I don't know if Tilley will camp at OSU or not. There are some events coming up, including the Scout combine next Saturday, where we hope to touch base with so many of the state's top prospects and pin them down on their camp plans ...

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:08:20 PM)
Having said that, I'm not sure Tilley is high on their radar. I can't speak for the staff. But there must be something that has kept them from not following the suit of so many other schools over the last couple of months. The Boren verbal to Michigan did not send OSU scurrying down the list of OL (at least as far as I'm aware).

fotownbuckeye (May 19, 2005 1:08:25 PM)
What will happen with Haw? Other than a rehab class. Will the penelty be less because it was a campus police?

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:10:56 PM)
No, the campus police because OSU is a state institution are sworn law officers, just like Cols. police. He will face criminal charges in Franklin County Municipal Court. He will probably get probation and a fine from the court if he's a first time offender. In regards to OSU, Haw can look forward to counseling through the athletic dept., probably a one- or two-game suspension (as a first time offender) and a bushel barrel full of extra duty with one of the strength coaches. We've seen some previous offenders go through this stuff and it ain't pretty. Hard to believe between the team meetings and seeing their teammates suffer like this the message ain't getting through.

NEOLeo (May 19, 2005 1:10:59 PM)
What do you think of Troy Pascley out of Alliance? Will he eventually get an offer?

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:12:26 PM)
Bill Greene has an update coming on him that will be posted later today, I believe. Troy will spend one day of camp at OSU. He has offers from most of the MAC and Pittsburgh. He says Pitt and BG are his faves of the ones who have offered. He is an intriguing prospect, no doubt.

NEOLeo (May 19, 2005 1:12:45 PM)
I've always liked Bam Childress and I think he'd be perfect for the Arena League Destroyers. Have you heard anything on that front or do you think he'll give it a try?

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:13:31 PM)
I'm sure he'll give it a try if all else fails. No idea where he's at or what he's up to now. Not sure if Canada or Arena League is higher on the food chain.

redondo (May 19, 2005 1:13:36 PM)
I thought the password was going to be "crackpipe"

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:13:41 PM)
Nice.

redondo (May 19, 2005 1:13:45 PM)
Hi Steve - Still gonna' redshirt Wells? Thank you.

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:13:52 PM)
Even better ...

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:14:39 PM)
I didn't think he was going to redshirt from the start. You need more than 2 TBs to get through a season. Don't give up on Haw. He has a ton of potential, but his priorities are out of whack right now, I guess.

NEOLeo (May 19, 2005 1:14:47 PM)
Great work here at Bucknuts. One thing I would love to see is more features on former Buckeye players in the NFL. Is that a possibility, trying to track down some of the local guys when they're home in the offseason and getting an interview?

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:16:40 PM)
Yeah, we'll do what we can. When we survey people for what they want they usually say -- football, football recruiting and basketball recruiting. But we'll do what we can to bring you more info on those guys. The Hot News features includes some things, like something on Olivea right now.

osugrad21 (May 19, 2005 1:17:08 PM)
Steve, any word on Tilley? Are the OOS prospects getting the first shot at that spot or is the staff just not interested in him?

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:17:58 PM)
That was actually asked at the outset. I think they know about Tilley. I can't speak for the staff, but I don't get a strong vibe that he will be offered. Maybe I'm off-base. My spies say they'll be looking more out of state.

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:21:03 PM)
Stay tuned to the site. We will continue counting down Duane's top 105 over the next week or so. Plus, we have updates coming on Troy Pascley, Doug Worthington, Donald Washington, Ryan Williams, Lawrence Wilson, Rob Schoenhoft, Brandon Warren and much more.

NEOLeo (May 19, 2005 1:21:09 PM)
What do you think of Rob Paris out of St Ignatius? Does it essentially become a battle for one scholly between he and Pascley?

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:22:13 PM)
That could be. Both are great kids and great prospects. Maybe we'll have a verdict after the camp season in June.

osugrad21 (May 19, 2005 1:23:53 PM)
Are Miles Schlichter's combine performances dropping him off of the tOSU radar? Everyone expects Hartline to get the offer, but what is your assessment?

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:25:29 PM)
I know Duane, as he evaluated QBs, probably had Hartline, Nelson and Davis ahead of Schlichter. It could be size, arm strength, play making ability, I don't know. Miles is a great kid, from everybody's opinion. I think the expectations that even Mike Hartline may be offered could be off base. ...

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:28:19 PM)
If you look at the quarterback position, in 2006 they would have Smith and Zwick as seniors, Boeckman as a soph and Schoenhoft as a RS freshman. Obviously, Zwick, Boeckman and Schoenhoft are similar in size and mold. Nobody besides Smith fits that mold. If you go with the idea that they only want one QB and note the offers have already been made to Smith-mold QBs like Georgia's Antonio Henton and Illinois' Isiah Williams, then you see that may be the direction they're headed. ...

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:28:44 PM)
Then again, maybe Hartline or Davis or Schlichter or Nelson lights them up at the camp and they snap them up on the spot. We shall see.

MFTodd (May 19, 2005 1:28:51 PM)
Looks like are DB depth could be in good shape this fall if what Rev Underwood is saying holds to be true, what is your assessment after these recent statements?

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:28:58 PM)
Cautiously optimistic ...

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:31:27 PM)
E.J. Underwood needs to attend to his schoolwork and get ready to play for Ohio State this fall. If he can't do that, then he won't be able to help them. Brandon Underwood would be great to have in the mix as well.

bamabucknut (May 19, 2005 1:31:33 PM)
So, what are football team members going now...working out ? When does formal practice start again ?

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:33:32 PM)
They take some time away from football after spring practice ends. They taper back up at the end of spring quarter (mid-May to early June) with Phase One of the summer program (running and lifting). They then hit the Bottom Line after a week off after exams in late June and that runs through late July. They then take another week off and return Aug. 9 to start 3-1/2 weeks of preseason camp. Obviously, no pads or helmets again until fall camp starts. They will do 7 on 7 passing games over the summer as well.

grimes (May 19, 2005 1:33:47 PM)
sorry if it was asked earlier, wha twas Haw thinking? wasthis a recent arrest / I would think eventually these kids would get scarred straight and know you cannot just do certain things and play football !

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:36:12 PM)
I have no idea what Haw was thinking. He apparently went out in front of his dorm and lit up a joint. It gets me how an athlete on scholarship at OSU would even want to be seen on a street corner smoking a regular cigarette, let alone a joint. As I recall from my college days, joints give off a special odor -- apparent to all around what's going on. How he gets nabbed by a police officer out in the open like that speaks volumes, I feel, to the brazen nature of what he may have been thinking ...

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:37:26 PM)
And, yes, it is mind numbing. Donnie Nickey used to say "Yep, we had another meeting ... that's all we have are meetings." Every time one of his teammates would get arrested. tressel just had one last week when Skeete got nabbed. Now, yesterday, Haw just goes outside and smokes a joint on the sidewalk in broad daylight. Unbelievable.

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:37:50 PM)
The message isn't getting through. They don't seem to care what he says.

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:38:13 PM)
They are making him into somewhat of a laughingstock with their continued lawbreaking.

leftybuck (May 19, 2005 1:38:31 PM)
Steve, thanks to you and the staff for all your hard work. I was wondering who you thought would get the first shot at corner against Miami. Also if everyone is healthy who would you start at the middle linebacker spot. I understand there is a lot of talent, and a lot of guys will see the field.

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:38:38 PM)
Good questions ...

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:39:55 PM)
I still think, regardless of the spring, that Heacock thinks Everett is the best option they have at corner. Haynes and Beckman, obviously, have never worked with him yet. My guess is if he's healthy he will start on experience alone. Then it will be whoever gets the job done (a la Gamble in 2002). ...

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:41:16 PM)
At middle linebacker, I would go with Schlegel. He is a born leader, vocally and how he plays. He also played really well over those last 6 games last year. I know Tressel loves the way D'Andrea has battled through his various problems to keep coming back, and if he's healthy I think you will see him as well. No idea how that would break down. But Schlegel has been a great run stopper and really improved against the pass.

MFTodd (May 19, 2005 1:42:37 PM)
Looking at the next few years in the ohio basketball pipeline, do you think OSU basketball could become as big as the football program? Considering the potential for the 2006 recruiting class

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:46:55 PM)
Yes, potentially, Ohio State basketball can join the football program on center stage. Even in the years when O'Brien had it going on, it seemed like it was still a well kept secret until Feb. or March. But Matta brings so much energy. He's a born leader and he can mobilize this state over the next 5-7 years into something huge. Ohio State can be THE preeminent basketball program in the Big Ten and a fixture at 2-3 Final Fours maybe over the next 7-10 years. That's kind of hard to comprehend. If he can do that, you will see a lot of casual fans become fervent OSU basketball fans. Fans here are just getting a glimpse of the week-to-week rigors of the AAU circuit. Fans at Kentucky, UNC, Kansas and Indiana have followed this stuff for years. Basketball can be a year-round sport to follow.

buckipilot (May 19, 2005 1:47:06 PM)
I am sure it has been talked about it, but I am so pissed. Every time it looks like we get it all cleaned up you have another player doing something stupid. I live away from Ohio and wear my pride on me sleeve but it sure make for a target everytime we have something like Eric Haw pop up.

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:50:00 PM)
Agreed and I understand where you're coming from. That's why when things happen like Tuesday (Buckeye nation coming down on ESPN and Dan Patrick), I just cringe. Like Don Henley said, "The wolf is always at your door." You are one day away from the next embarrassing incident. Andy Geiger learned this with his comments about Clarett/ESPN/colossal failures last fall, then his starting QB and hero of the Michigan win gets dinged. We need to recognize these are the actions of 18- to 23-year-old kids/men. They are going to find trouble from time to time (or time and time again, in this case). So getting sanctimonious about it isn't going to change it or help the situation.

buckipilot (May 19, 2005 1:50:08 PM)
I am sure we are not the only school that these things happen at, but seems like ours all make the national news

marksgforce (May 19, 2005 1:50:16 PM)
Does the Haw situation guarantee that Russell Anderson at least starts the year at tailback?

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:51:36 PM)
Possibly. Lenix, being a grayshirt, also exacerbates this situation. The kid from GA is Anderson Russell. Don't feel bad, I called him Anderson Cooper (a talk show host) one time on a Channel 6 pregame show.

buckipilot (May 19, 2005 1:51:43 PM)
did anyone read the usa today article? seems to have a strong slant against us. seems like that writter doesn't want to believe the NCAA really investigated us. If you were not a fan of Ohio State it would seem to you that we are dirty and just got away with it.

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:52:58 PM)
Take away your OSU bias for a second. The fact that the NCAA was unable to question Clarett and investigate all of his claims means they had to drop some charges without sufficient evidence. You did not really get full disclosure. Even the most ardent OSU fans must see that ...

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:54:16 PM)
Now is it possible that everything Clarett said was a lie and that's why he didn't want to have to retrace those steps? Uh, maybe. Plus, the NCAA had investigated some of his original problems/claims the year before. ...

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:54:37 PM)
To say Ohio State was "exonerated" I'm not sure that's really what happened.

texbucknut (May 19, 2005 1:54:57 PM)
Steve, When does JT start to send the message and tossing players one by one.

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:57:35 PM)
Clear back when I was at Buckeye Sports Bulletin, I remember writing a column about this. In Tressel's first year, 8 or 9 guys got arrested. Chris Spielman was on the radio then and he said, "I said this 2 guys ago, but somebody has got to go." He said essentially the same thing today. Again, what Haw did was not an Irizarry-level violent offense. It was a crime against society (or whoever was walking down that sidewalk). My feeling is he'll enter the rehab program, serve his team penalties, pay his fine to the court and be back on the team in full standing at some point this year. He needs to keep his nose clean, I know that.

redondo (May 19, 2005 1:57:41 PM)
Hi Steve - Does AD Smith start to reel in Coach JT's leash a bit now? Thank you.

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 1:58:49 PM)
The AD must be wondering what he walked into. That is for sure. Yeah, I think he needs to take control of the situation. I know President Holbrook became very distressed about athletics last year. It's been on the front page of the paper too much lately. It's time to regain some control, somehow. How do you do that?

marksgforce (May 19, 2005 1:58:53 PM)
Steve -- what's the possibility of a bucknuts article that puts our football program student-athlete woes (arrests and citations) in context and comparison of other programs? I know most of us would like the info just to argue with fans from other schools. But it would be good to know, period. I assume JT isn't a laughingstock and is doing reasonably well in comparison. Would be good to actually know he needs to do more or is doing the best that can be expected.

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 2:08:42 PM)
One questioner asked about whether 16 arrests in 4-plus years was above or below the norm ...

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 2:12:52 PM)
Yes, 16 in 4-plus years is too many. I don't know how that compares to Tennessee or USC or Michigan or other places. But it just sounds like way too many on the surface.

MFTodd (May 19, 2005 2:14:15 PM)
question regarding the baseball program and spending the first month on the road. any chance for a later start for the season?

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 2:15:41 PM)
Bob Todd has fought that for years to no avail. They should start later and end later. Of course, it also butts up against the MLB amateur draft and those guys want to be able to go on and start their pro careers, too. I see no change. I'd just take being best in the Big Ten again. No reason why Ohio State has given that distinction away these last few years.

Buckeye4u (May 19, 2005 2:16:58 PM)
Steve, in your opinion, what should JT have done to make sure things doesn't happen again?

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 2:20:57 PM)
It's a damn hard question. The thing is you have a kid like Louis Irizarry who may be dying to get back in. This doesn't help his cause, obviously, that people just keep breaking the law. On one hand, you say give them a second chance. They've done that time and again, and it's worked out with people like B-Joe and others. I don't think kicking people off the team is the final answer. Every case is different.

marksgforce (May 19, 2005 2:21:03 PM)
Any commitments coming up for 2006 recruiting? Should we just expect to wait until the end of June?

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 2:21:56 PM)
Looks like they're in a holding pattern until the camp. I don't see anything coming down any time soon.

Buckeye4u (May 19, 2005 2:22:54 PM)
What is OSU football's weakest link?

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 2:23:03 PM)
Players continually breaking the law ...

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 2:23:41 PM)
No, seriously, probably the pass rush affecting the QB, the open corner spot and, now, suddenly, depth at tailback. They would be in a world of hurt if something happened to Pittman and let me say ...

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 2:24:56 PM)
I'm not sure what the exact OSU policy is for offenses of this nature. The first one may be up to the coach to decide. It could be a case where Haw dresses and doesn't play and they count it as the game he misses. Or he dresses and they use him only in an emergency "for the good of the group."

TheKaiser21 (May 19, 2005 2:25:13 PM)
Will ODEN and or Conley sign with the citings against the BBall program coming out. If the NCAA drags its feet with further penalties this does not bode well for OSU.

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 2:25:55 PM)
The news coming out of Indy News site today is Mike Conley Sr. said they recognize these sanctions should not impact their decision. Any sanctions would happen before they arrive. Doubt OSU gets a 2-year ban, let alone 3.

redondo (May 19, 2005 2:26:00 PM)
Hi Steve - would you let LI back in to OSU and back on the team?

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 2:28:56 PM)
Oh man, I don't have all the data (what happened originally, how he's responded to it, where he stands class-wise). Man, it's intriguing I'll say that. A few days ago, I would have said maybe. Now, I'm not so sure. This has to make them gunshy, no doubt. I want the best for Louis, I'll say that. He has so much potential as a person, let alone as a football player.

TheKaiser21 (May 19, 2005 2:29:10 PM)
What did you make of the Underwood story and will either contribute this year. and What kind of spring did Hoobler have. Everyone was raving about his switch to linebacker but little post spring talk.

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 2:32:54 PM)
Their dad certainly sees them in the mix as 2 of the team's top 3 corners with Youboty. I think that may be a little overly optimistic and looks past the possibility that, say, Everett, Welch, Lane or O'Neal could be that guy, too. What do you expect a dad to say, though? (Not a knock against him, we appreciated his insight into where they stand.) E.J., to me, needs to clear some hurdles. His track record is not the greatest in this regard. This looks like his last chance to make an impact at OSU. Maybe he'll come through. Brandon U. was hurt. The surgery hopefully corrected the trick shoulder ...

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 2:35:37 PM)
Hoobler had a great spring. He is the MLB for 06 (unless D'Andrea gets fifth year and maybe even if he does).

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 2:35:48 PM)
rbuck asked about sanctions in basketball this year ...

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 2:36:40 PM)
I take Gene Smith's statement that they will fight hard for the current team and players as a sign that they will not take any more postseason bans lying down. Michigan successfully appealed the second year of their ban. I doubt you'll see that again. OSU has made all the right moves.

Buckeye4u (May 19, 2005 2:37:49 PM)
Thanks Steve for chat!

SteveHelwagen (May 19, 2005 2:37:56 PM)
Thank you and take care!

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