Helwagen Chat: June 16 Archive

During Thursday's Chat session, Bucknuts.com managing editor talked football, football recruiting, basketball recruiting and much more. Click here for more details.

buckgrad (Jun 16, 2005 2:11:46 PM)
Good Afternoon Steve, did we try to get the DE from SI (Ryan I think) that verballed to ND this week? Sounded like a good player, that we missed out on.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:12:48 PM)
No, Ohio State was only lukewarm, it seems, on Ryan. I think he has potential as a nice player. He's in that St. Ignatius machine that produces good TEs-DEs, etc. I don't think he ever mentioned he was coming to OSU's camp. I'm sure that's what the coaches wanted to see before thinking about an offer.

ODOGG45 (Jun 16, 2005 2:12:52 PM)
anything new about bball recruiting?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:14:07 PM)
No major movement. The prevailing thought is that Conley and Oden could announce sometime later this month or possibly in mid-July at ABCD camp, where they'd have a national platform with coverage by all the biggies. They have been running ragged with AAU events, the USA Basketball Festival and now this series with the Indiana seniors (lost last night and games next Tues and Thurs.) ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:14:25 PM)
Their school pulled out of OSU's team camp. I think the coach did not want to appear biased toward OSU.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:15:16 PM)
Just got a call that GlenOak junior-to-be Koustas Koufas was really coming on at a Nike event. OSU is really interested in him. His team is due at OSU this weekend. Not sure if he will be here, though, with that event.

JimC (Jun 16, 2005 2:15:35 PM)
Hi Steve, How offers/commits will come out of the Senior camp?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:16:41 PM)
In 2001, OSU probably offered 6-10 kids as a result of the camp and got a number of verbals fairly quickly with guys like Mangold, Sims, Richardson and others. They needed to sign a class of 25 that year. They only need 19 or so now, so it may not be that big of a group. ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:17:23 PM)
My guess is maybe 5-10 kids with offers already will be there out of the 400 at the advanced camp next week. Another 5-10 may get offers as a result of the camp.

buckeyeglory (Jun 16, 2005 2:17:28 PM)
Steve nate davis or mike hartline

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:19:43 PM)
Great question. I think Duane may give a slight nod to Hartline. I really like them both. I am sure the coaches are intrigued to see if something is there when they work with them up close and personal. The Hartline highlight tape is impressive, but ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:20:57 PM)
This outlines the importance of watching game tapes on not highlight tape. If you watched all 11 of Hartline's games from 2004 you'd find he threw 20 picks, hence the lukewarmedness from the OSU staff right now. Again, that may change after they work with him up close and there were other factors -- he pressed after his brother went down, etc. Great kid, same with Davis. I hope the best for both.

BuckeyeDave (Jun 16, 2005 2:21:25 PM)
Any guess on the Tyler Lee - Colerain game?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:23:05 PM)
It is a go. Organizers are calling it the Kirk Herbstreit Ohio vs. USA Challenge and Kirk must think he's going to be here Sept. 9 to see it. They will make the Ohio announcement Sat. before the game at Crew Stadium. Part of a DH with Westerville North vs. Westerville South at 6 p.m. and that game at 8 or 9 p.m., I believe. ESPN or ESPN2 are working on the coverage. May need OHSAA dispensation to show a Friday night game, though.

JimC (Jun 16, 2005 2:23:17 PM)
Steve, Any updates on Fred Davis? Do you think he'll transfer to OSU?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:24:16 PM)
Everything is still the same. As we reported, Fred is in a holding pattern until July 6-8 or so until his summer grades from USC are posted. At that point, he may or may have the option to pursue a transfer. We were told OSU would be high on his list if he decides to do that or he could stay at USC. Just stay tuned.

BuckeyeDave (Jun 16, 2005 2:24:23 PM)
Does Brian Hartline RS or does he get some PT this season? (How many days until Sept 3rd?)

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:25:30 PM)
He doesn't want to. Obviously, he is fully healthy. I think with the numbers game OSU has at receiver, it will be hard for any freshman to crack the 2-deep or get meaningful playing time. He is an athlete and a football player. My guess is he will redshirt unless they have some heavy duty injury problems. There arejust too many guys in front of him right now. Great story either way.

buckeyeglory (Jun 16, 2005 2:25:35 PM)
Who starts opposite Youboty?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:27:39 PM)
Great question ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:29:15 PM)
The field would be Everett, Welch, Lane, O'Neal and maybe Brandon Underwood. My guess is Everett, with so much game experience, gets the first call. Again, this is "just" for the boundary job Fox did the last 3 years. Read and react, close and make the tackle. I think that's perfect for Everett and what he has done most of his time as a safety at OSU. Interested to see O'Neal in action Sat. to see what he brings -- a big athlete who can RUN and hit. My guess Everett at the start, but maybe one of the young guys emerges at midseason.

buckgrad (Jun 16, 2005 2:29:21 PM)
Steve, what do you think about the recruiting class that Texas is putting together this year? 20 and counting already!

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:31:05 PM)
Mack Brown has a BCS Rose Bowl win to sell and he has locked down Texas. No intrusions from Oklahoma and A&M isn't a factor, despite having Franchione there. They have 5 top-100 caliber guys now. Usually the school with the top class ends up with 7-8 of those guys, so you have to say they are the leader in the clubhouse with 7 months left. (Wells is a top-100 guy, obviously, and so will be many of the Ohio top 10, so OSU, if it keeps everybody at home and can pluck 2-3 top names OOS would be right there.)

buckgrad (Jun 16, 2005 2:31:11 PM)
Any word on Haw? Any game supsensions?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:32:14 PM)
Doesn't seem like anything major will come of it. Tressel has the prerogative to play the player on the first offense like this. I read Haw got a $50 fine, so this truly was like a traffic ticket. He is in the drug program, though, and any other arrests or slipups would mandate a suspension. My guess is he won't start and may not play early in the opener, but could if need arises.

hondo (Jun 16, 2005 2:32:20 PM)
Steve, is EJ Underwood and Maupin still on the team, or have they been released?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:33:28 PM)
Technically, they are still on the team. But my sources indicate they would need some type of miracle this summer to be eligible to play. That's sad because E.J., with his experience, could have started and Maupin, with his size, could have been a beast. I will not be the one to close the door on either, but it's almost shut, it sounds like.

buckgrad (Jun 16, 2005 2:33:35 PM)
sounds like K.Coleman had a good time in Iowa, any inside scoop to believe hes still a buckeye?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:34:16 PM)
Duane maintains a source says Coleman is a lock. Coleman certainly debunked that in the interview he did with Chris Pool, so we'll see. We'll follow up with him after he visits.

Guest (Jun 16, 2005 2:34:20 PM)
Does scout still plan to have their rankings out the week of the 20th.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:34:39 PM)
browndawgsteve asks about Scout's rankings and when we might see them ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:35:13 PM)
Jamie Newberg was on the boards recently and said it would be sometime this month. They want video of all 100 guys before they release it. That could be the hangup. I dunno. Any day probly.

buckeyeglory (Jun 16, 2005 2:35:17 PM)
What do you know about David Ausberry?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:36:23 PM)
Good to great WR from Cali. Has family ties back here to Cols. Says he is coming for a day of camp, allegedly. Had OSU and USC as co-No. 1 choices. He should be a national top-25 pick. A big receiver at 6-4, 200 pounds, would wear well in the Big Ten, certainly.

hondo (Jun 16, 2005 2:36:31 PM)
Steve, who do you think will be the next commitment and when?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:37:17 PM)
That's hard to say because in the next 9 days they could offer somebody who lights them up and the player will verbal on the spot or the next day. You keep hearing that Connor Smith may pull the trigger at any time, so we'll stay tuned on that.

Mike (Jun 16, 2005 2:37:22 PM)
Steve, Thanks for the chat!!! Can we see dominating wins over Miami and SDSU to allow some young players (Worthington, O'Neal, Boone, Wells) to get some time and help develop depth at a lot of key positions? A nagging injury or two during the Big 10 and we could use the experience. Plus with Indiana and Illinois back to back, some veterans could rest and young players develop towards the end of the season. Thanks again!!

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:38:47 PM)
You make a good point. Tressel has never been much about blowing people out. They try and win the surest way, shorten games with running the ball, etc. To him, a blowout is a 21-point win where "it was good to get some of the young guys in." What he isn't saying is those young guys only got in for the last 5-10 plays of the game and not a quarter. ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:40:57 PM)
I do not see them blowing Miami out. Miami has played some great schools, like Michigan and Iowa, tough the last few years. OSU may pull ahead late, but I don't see young guys factoring there as much as you might hope. This is not Kent. They should beat up on SDSU, but they haven't the last two times they played them. In fact, Aztecs outplayed OSU in 2003 and Bucks won on the Allen INT return almost solely. Get Indiana and lllinois now (especially Illini) because the new coaches will have them back around .500 in 2-3 years. But this year those games do fall at a good time, no doubt.

Mike (Jun 16, 2005 2:41:15 PM)
Steve, I left out some receivers names in there as well like Dukes, Hall some reps at TE, etc.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:41:47 PM)
I think they like Roy Hall

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:42:40 PM)
I think they like Roy Hall's versatility. He can play WR, the flex TE or TE or H-back. He can go a lot of different directions. He is not far from being an important contributor. I just think he needs to maintain confidence and that should help with his consistency ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:43:25 PM)
Everybody is raving about Dukes and how he is at the same stage Santonio Holmes was coming off the RS year, and we know how that has turned out. Consistency (not fumbling, handling his blocking, being precise, etc.) will be the watchword with him, too.

buckeyeglory (Jun 16, 2005 2:43:35 PM)
Give us an early guess on how this season unfolds.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:45:47 PM)
I have been saying 10-1. I thought the observation one of the mags made that OSU could very well sweep Texas, Iowa and Michigan and lose at PSU was very astute. I think they win the home games, but one of those road games could be the Waterloo. OSU is just 4-4 on the road in the Big Ten the last two years. I think 10-1, they win at least a Big Ten share and get edged out of the Rose but land in the Orange against the ACC champ or maybe Louisville from Big East. Hard to say.

hondo (Jun 16, 2005 2:45:52 PM)
Steve, is there anything new with Oden and/or Conley?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:47:35 PM)
No, we touched on this earlier. You can follow their exploits almost daily at the Indy News site. They had a reporter in San Diego last weekend for the festival and now they're at these exhibitions. They lost last night to the Indiana senior all-stars and will play again Tues in Indy and Thurs in Richmond. Their high school team canceled their appearance at OSU's team camp. The latest intel was they could announce later this month or possibly as late as mid-June at ABCD outside New York, where they'd have a national platform.

hondo (Jun 16, 2005 2:47:45 PM)
Steve, are the Buckeyes still making a push for Boren even though he was committed to Michigan, I mean has committed.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:48:40 PM)
I have heard nothing to that effect. If he would call and want tickets, I'm sure they might consider comping him. They did that for Quinn after he verbaled ND. ND and Michigan are 2 different animals, of course.

bucks4fun (Jun 16, 2005 2:48:50 PM)
Hi Steve, I know coaches use the camps to evaluate the players in person. Do they put that much stock in those camps that if a good recruit has a bad day he could potentially lose any chance of an offer.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:49:46 PM)
No, it's just one piece of the puzzle. They take the whole picture into account. But getting to see the guy up close and personal makes a huge difference, no question. You can't fudge your height or speed when the coaches, themselves, measure you.

Mike (Jun 16, 2005 2:49:56 PM)
Steve, How about a kick off return man, any news there. Any word on some Central Indiana players to keep an eye on. I heard J.B. Paxson went baseball, maybe why OSU didn't recruit him too hard.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:51:12 PM)
Kick returns are probably Ginn, Holmes, Pittman, Youboty on a rotating basis. Have not heard much out of Indiana, but I think you'll see OSU more involved there as time goes on.

marksgforce (Jun 16, 2005 2:52:24 PM)
What recruit in the Tressell era did have you considered "can't miss" but just hasn't made it and probably never will?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:53:06 PM)
I'm starting to think Mike D'Andrea. I heard they were doing speedwork a week or 2 ago and he was on the sidelines (again). He's just had a rough go of it. Hopefully he can get it flipped around this year or next.

marksgforce (Jun 16, 2005 2:53:23 PM)
Any word on how Houston is doing in his own workouts? Since he's suffered from leg-hip injuries in the past, should we be concerned that he won't make it through the season? Is the feeling that Pretorius is ready?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:54:07 PM)
Fine, as far as I know. He was much more consistent than I've ever seen from him in the spring. I think it is good that Pretorius is serviceable if something happens to him. Trapasso could also kick, I imagine, in a pinch.

hamiltuckbuck (Jun 16, 2005 2:54:24 PM)
Sorry if already asked. Why the big difference in opinions on the current crop of QB's. It seemed coming into the season there was a clear pecking order. Now it seems no two guru's can agree on a kids talent, let alone the pecking order of ability and class rankings. Thanks Steve.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:55:34 PM)
Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I like Hartline and Davis probly a half notch above the rest. Kirbus, to me, is a wild card. He is not in a strong passing offense at St. Ignatius. But he is a winner. Glass has been in a passing offense, but has not won big. I think things will be much clearer after the camp has come and gone.

marksgforce (Jun 16, 2005 2:55:38 PM)
How many punt returns for TD does TG get this year? Does he return kick offs?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:58:14 PM)
If he doesn't get 4 a-GInn he'll be slacking, so I'll say at least 4. ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 2:59:34 PM)
I think you will see him on some but not all kicks.

marksgforce (Jun 16, 2005 2:59:40 PM)
I know they had unbelievable freshman campaigns, but for some reason neither Henne nor Hart from up north wow me. I'm not saying this because their Michigan guys, but neither impressed me as more than competent and I didn't see upside. Am I crazy? Are these guys going to improve big time? If Henne moves forward, Michigan will be tough to beat.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:01:50 PM)
They shined because the rest of that offense (OL, TE, FB and Braylon) were so strong. Obviously, some of that cast has been peeled away. But they will be strong again offensively. Hart took quite a beating. If he can stay away from injuries, he could be special. He's almost like an Archie throwback as a small back who takes a beating and keeps on going. Henne showed quite a bit of moxie as a true freshman. He needs to take the next step to game winner, though, now. Starting the Rose as a freshman is quite a step.

osubuck1 (Jun 16, 2005 3:02:00 PM)
Who will the Buckeyes go after at quarterback. Will it be Henton? or Betsey or Jones? Neither Henton or Betsey seem that highly rated in their state. Why are we going after tham and not Hartline?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:03:38 PM)
They have offers out to those three you mention, apparently. I don't think the staff worries about rankings. I think they like who and what they like. Those guys fit the Troy Smith mold. OSU already has Boeckman and Schoenhoft in the Zwick mold. My guess, looking at who they have offered and who they haven't, is they want a Smith-mold QB first and then a Zwick-mold QB if they don't sign a Smith-mold or if a Zwick-mold wows them at camp or if more scholarships come open. Just my take on what we've seen to date.,

osubuck1 (Jun 16, 2005 3:03:47 PM)
If either Brown or Smith go elsewhere, who do we offer at offensive lineman? I hear that they were possibly looking to fill 4 positions? Why don't we get in on Lee Tilley?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:05:23 PM)
I think there are some obvious guys OSU could offer but can't or have not because of academics. Tilley may be one of those guys, I dunno. I'm not sure OL is as big a concern. They have 5-6 nice young OL in the pipeline already with Boone, Cordle, Mitchum, Skinner, Person, Rehring, Barton. I see this as a "complementary" year where if they can get 1-3 good to great ones they've filled their needs.

piquabuck (Jun 16, 2005 3:05:40 PM)
Steve, do you feel that our DL has matured to the point that they will be able to provide the LB's with free run along the LOS?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:06:37 PM)
They showed some real flashes in the spring. Barrow, Gholston, Richardson, Patterson all made nice plays in the spring game. Pitcock is a bear who can run. Green is a company man, as is Kudla. Yeah, I think the DL by committee will be an improvement over last year. By the end of last year, they were pretty good and all they're missing now is Fraser.

marksgforce (Jun 16, 2005 3:06:46 PM)
Hearing great things about Cordle. Fans can't wait to see big Alex. There's been some debate on whether either of those two see the field. If you were coach, would you want to red shirt Boone if he was only marginally better than one of the upper classmen. Or would you get him right on the field even though it wasn't a "huge" improvement?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:07:56 PM)
Boone wants to play. My feeling is he will be one of their 10 best and will merit it. So they'll put him out there as they see fit. I will not sit here and predict he'll be starting by the end of this year because I think their starting 5 right now is pretty good. But if somebody gets dinged up he could get a shot.

osubuck1 (Jun 16, 2005 3:08:11 PM)
Will we go after more than one running back this year? Of are we happy just having Wells? How many commits do you think we'll have before the season starts?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:09:18 PM)
They have quietly offered some other backs OOS. I think that will be a hard sell once those backs probe the situation and see Chris Wells sitting there. More likely, they'll come back and ID who they think is No. 2 in Ohio and that guy will be happy to have a spot at OSU, whoever that may be (Brown, Carter, Elzy, etc.). Mabin next year is a smaller back, but is supposed to be dynamite.

marksgforce (Jun 16, 2005 3:09:27 PM)
Will Texas be the biggest non-conference game in the Shoe for the past decade (or more)? As big as Notre Dame in the 90s? I still remember Oklahoma from the 70s and this has that epic feel to me.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:10:55 PM)
In my life, there have been 2 biggies -- Oklahoma in 77 and Notre Dame in 95. This one would also be on that list. Both teams will be in the top 5 or 6 nationally on game day, so this one has title implications possibly. I was able to buy a ticket for ND for my wife and her grandma for $150 each. I don't think that will get you close to the stadium for this one -- and there are 10,000 more seats. So you tell me.

nuts4bucs (Jun 16, 2005 3:11:10 PM)
Do we have a good chance at landing some of the PA guys - Lyons, Dickerson, Pinkston?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:12:22 PM)
Probably best shot is Lyons because of the family connection. Dickerson, those who watched the video interview Gary did with him, said Michigan was his fave growing up. But if OSU makes a push to get he and Mabin, they're cousins, they may have a real shot. Hard to say. Not sure about Pinkston. No shot unless they get these guys to visit, obviously. That's when you're in the ball game.

marksgforce (Jun 16, 2005 3:12:32 PM)
Do you hear anything that makes you believe Smith and Zwick are still competing for starting position or is that history? Any rumors from players or staff? Is Zwick guaranteed to start against Miami?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:14:11 PM)
This is one man's call, Jim Tressel's. My sense is that most of the coaches and players believe they will go farther with Troy than with Justin. They have faith in Justin and he earned a lot of stripes by being the good soldier late in the year and gutting out the bowl game with the hamstring pull, etc. But his spring game was lackluster to say the least. The players jumped at the chance to draft Troy first, meaning they think he's "special" ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:15:37 PM)
But the truth of the matter is Ohio State needs Justin Zwick. To borrow a military term from an old Navy friend, Smith has shown "displayed unreliability" with what he did off the field. That's not to condemn Smith, because you hope he has learned from his actions. But OSU (desperately) needs Zwick to stand at the ready and be there if something happens to Troy again ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:16:53 PM)
I think it chafes Tressel to "so lightly" turn the reins over to Smith again after the Miami game. But he is also a football coach and must do what's best for the group -- not to mention what is best to win games, so Smith will get his shot at some point. Whether that's the second quarter against Texas or if they fall behind, I dunno. But you know at some point in there he'll get a shot ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:17:37 PM)
Yes, barring something unforeseen Zwick would start against Miami (Ohio). I don't know what Boeckman could do to wrest that away from him in 3 weeks of fall camp. They have said they will prepare Zwick to start that game already. ...

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:18:19 PM)
Regarding Texas, I imagine we'll read after that game that when Troy came into the game, it gave the stadium a lift. Imagine that crowd pop when he runs in there for the first time. Should be electric.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:20:41 PM)
Big Ten just announced some more TV games (all ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPN-Plus) for Sept. and Miami and SDSU weren't addressed. My feeling is Miami may be a regional game on ABC at noon or 3:30. It can't be noon on ESPN or ESPN2, those are now booked. Not sure about SDSU. Probly noon on ESPN2 or ESPN-Plus.

osubuck1 (Jun 16, 2005 3:21:24 PM)
What position do you see Jacob Ballard in with the buckeyes. Ive heard TE, Ive heard OT, I've also heard either end or tackle. Ive seen other buckeyes development slowed by not sticking to a position. I think Ballard makes a great OT, what do you think?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:22:40 PM)
You don't want R.J. Coleman all over again where they yo-yo a guy back and forth, body weight up, body weight down and he never makes the field because his body isn't right for where he is practicing. Having said that, I imagine they will bring him in and see where he fits best. Barton was not an experienced OL as much when he got here, I believe, and that's worked out well. His athletic ability is a plus. Ballard may be a clone of that plan.

marksgforce (Jun 16, 2005 3:23:03 PM)
If Troy Smith plays at a relatively +/- level with his Michigan game, is he a legitimate NFL prospect at QB?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:24:47 PM)
I dunno. He's only 6-1. Daunte Culpepper is 6-4. Not sure about McNabb and McNair or Vick, but they're all taller. Hey, he had a day none of us will ever forget with that Michigan game. You don't want it to be Germaine 1996 Rose Bowl, though, where he never really duplicates that again (at least that "last drive" aspect was never duplicated). You want him to be at or near that level for most of the next 2 years. That is his challenge. We'll see how he does with it.

osubuck1 (Jun 16, 2005 3:25:10 PM)
It seems the past couple years 2003 and 2004 we have been going more out of state. Why do you feel that is?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:27:21 PM)
It is something to note. Everybody (myself included) carried on that Tressel would "build the fence" blah, blah, blah. But in my analysis after 5 classes, he has the almost the same number of Ohio top-15 kids as Coop had in his last 5 years here. OSU also had strong OOS recruiters like Conley, Tucker, etc. to take them places down south and get some guys like Salley, Holmes, Mitchell, etc. I know Ohio was strong in 2002 and looks good again this year. Not so sure about 2001, 2003 and 2004. That may be a factor, too.

osubuck1 (Jun 16, 2005 3:28:43 PM)
Why was Cabroni Mixon rated so low? He has several offers. Was he injured last year? I didn't even see Zachary Meahager in the rankings at all? Others like him, any reason? Also when will the complete rankings be available?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:30:10 PM)
I think he was injured somewhat last year. He didn't play in the first quarter of the title game. He shined in quarters 2-3 and then sat in the fourth when they were ahead like 43-10 on CMK. No idea on Meagher. Remember, this is still early for guys to emerge and move up and down. It's only June. Complete rankings, I assume you mean Scout's? Jamie said sometime this month.

piquabuck (Jun 16, 2005 3:30:23 PM)
Steve, is OSU aware of the Brandon Saine kid from Piqua? Having recently won the 100 and 400 at the D-1 state meet do the Bucks watch him closely for the next two years? Is he going to be good enough to tote the rock for the scarlet and gray?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:31:48 PM)
Yep, I'm sure they are aware of him now. Piqua plays Troy, where Denlinger is from so I'm sure they have an idea about him. I have never seen him play, but to win two events like that he has some speed, no doubt.

osubuck1 (Jun 16, 2005 3:31:59 PM)
How many kids will we get from Glenville this year?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:32:35 PM)
Could be three. I think most believe Small and Rose will ultimately sign. My guess is another Tarblooder will distinguish himself at camp or otherwise and get an offer. Not sure who that would be.

marksgforce (Jun 16, 2005 3:32:48 PM)
If Maurice Wells just blows it up this season and siezes the starting job ala another Maurice a few years back, any chance that could affect another Wells' commitment to the Buckeyes?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:33:15 PM)
No, they're two different backs. This is Pittman's job anyway right now. I think Chris Wells is solid to OSU.

nuts4bucs (Jun 16, 2005 3:33:22 PM)
Do you think MoW (Maurice Wells) will get a substantial number of carries this year, and with what results?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:34:53 PM)
If Haw would flame out (bad choice of words) further, perhaps he'd be No. 2. Right now, I see him as a situational player. He could carve a nitch as a pass catcher out of the backfield on designed screens to get him in open field, etc. He is a small back but with great speed. Is he any better or worse than Maurice Hall was when he got here? I don't know. Same kind of MO, though.

marksgforce (Jun 16, 2005 3:35:05 PM)
I'm sure media guys have personal preferences, feelings, impressions of coaches beyond their professional capacity. Since JT is so close to the sweater-vest with his public comments, do some of the Ohio media dislike him, or feel some level of disdain (it seems the national guys do)? Does he make your job too hard?!

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:37:22 PM)
No, Coach can be very disarming and charming when he wants to be. There are also times, like any of us, when he can be obtuse. He is working as hard as possible to be accommodating. I think they are seeing that going into a shell when trouble hits is not the answer and they need to confront it. I think we've got a good rapport with Coach Tressel and the staff. There are some reporters who will roll their eyes or scoff when he goes into some of his "pre-planned responses" like when he was asked if there was a drug problem and he went back to the old "How would you define a drug problem ..." card before admitting that if one guy had a problem then the team has a problem.

Guest (Jun 16, 2005 3:37:49 PM)
sorry to be late, when will connor, gibson or brown committ?

osubuck1 (Jun 16, 2005 3:38:08 PM)
Vick is 6-1

osubuck1 (Jun 16, 2005 3:38:11 PM)
Jeff Blake was 6-0

osubuck1 (Jun 16, 2005 3:38:18 PM)
Who do we have at running back this year, is Pittman and Mo Wells it?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:38:23 PM)
And Erik Haw.

nuts4bucs (Jun 16, 2005 3:38:32 PM)
Why are there so few scholarship offers out there when compared to other schools?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:38:59 PM)
They only have 19 spots. They have probably offered 25-30 guys. That's not bad for this early in the process, I think.

osubuck1 (Jun 16, 2005 3:39:04 PM)
What are your realistic expectations for this year Steve? When do you think we make our next title run?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:39:53 PM)
I say 10-1. I'd consider that in contention for the title, obviously. On paper, this could/should be one of those years. Next year, too, with Smith and Ginn back and UM at home would be one, although you must rebuild on defense. This is their 2-year window.

hamiltuckbuck (Jun 16, 2005 3:40:17 PM)
Tressel new nationally, Conley leaving, staff turnover have kept OSU from being as big oos as it will become, in the near future. The Bucks are setting up to become a big player, on the national level. True or false Steve?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:41:24 PM)
True, if they work at it and maintain some continuity in the coaching staff. You get kids like Gamble and Holmes by being in that school and working their coach for 3-4 years. Not showing up sight unseen and wearing an OSU golf shirt. Doesn't work that way. They need continuity to rev up the recruiting machinery. Only 3 assistants remain from the first staff in 2001.

nuts4bucs (Jun 16, 2005 3:41:46 PM)
Which of the four big games scare you the most - Texas, Iowa, PSU, Michigan?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:43:06 PM)
Probably Michigan, Iowa, Texas and PSU. But that PSU game is a losable game, no question. Their talent may not be on par, but the circumstances of the game (2 week layoff after possible wins over Texas and Iowa and also at night in Happy Valley ... could be ugly).

oakwood (Jun 16, 2005 3:43:20 PM)
is purdue as good as the mags say?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:45:38 PM)
Some of the mags have them instead of Iowa in the top 3. Purdue has 7 starters back on offense and 10 on defense. Kirsch takes over at QB for Orton. Purdue just never seems to get over that hump, though. They always lose the tight ones, it seems (well, except for 2 against OSU). They get Iowa at home, and that could be the key game.

osubuck1 (Jun 16, 2005 3:46:01 PM)
If you were to pick a loss, would it be Texas? Early in the season?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:46:42 PM)
No, I think they win that game. OSU is unbeaten at night (6-0) at the Shoe and won its last 14 against Big 12 foes dating to 77 Oklahoma. The loss could be Iowa, PSU or Michigan, if it happens.

oakwood (Jun 16, 2005 3:46:51 PM)
will we get all three of connor, brown and gibson?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:47:19 PM)
I think they're in great shape with Connor Smith and good shape with Gibson and Brown. Two of those three would be a huge get.

oakwood (Jun 16, 2005 3:47:22 PM)
will we get the kid, i forget his name, who scored amazing #'s at the scout trials?

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:48:06 PM)
That's Jeff Cumberland. Probably his academic profile will decide that. Brookhaven has become the Minnesota pipeline, so even if he checks out academically he is tight with several new Gophers like Alex Daniels, so it's not a lock.

SteveHelwagen (Jun 16, 2005 3:48:37 PM)
Guys, that's one hour and 42 minutes of pure fun. But I gotta run. I'm sure we will have plenty to talk about next week after the all-star game, etc.

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