Helwagen Chat: Oct. 27 Archive

Here are the excerpts of Steve Helwagen's Chat session from Thursday. Remember, Gary Housteau will Chat at 1 p.m. Friday and Duane Long will Chat on Monday.

bucknasty (Oct 27, 2005 1:17:26 PM)
Tickets are selling out for basketball this year.....what kind of season does matta have to have so he doesn't dissapoint?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:18:11 PM)
I had not heard about selling out. I think there has been some increased interest. Maybe some Big Ten games later on will sell out. Can't imagine sellouts for some of the early games. ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:19:20 PM)
They won 20 games last year and the roster should be improved this year, so let's start there. They also need to make the NCAA Tournament. Anything less than at least that would probably be a disappointment. They have some talent. If Dials stays healthy, they could be top three in Big Ten and a possible Sweet 16 team.

bucknasty (Oct 27, 2005 1:19:25 PM)
Well I am a student and split A sold out early....and I will assume split B will do the same

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:19:44 PM)
That's interesting.

DuluthBuckeye (Oct 27, 2005 1:20:12 PM)
I think minny will be tough early but if osu doesn't turn the ball over i think the bucks win going away. Your thoughts?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:22:07 PM)
I said 27-24 OSU. I agree with what you say. Minnesota needs to sustain it for 3-1/2 hours. My feeling is the Buckeyes will try and run at Minnesota and play keep away. The OSU defense faces a tough test. There will be a lot of third-and-2 situations where they need to stop Maroney. If they win a fair percentage of those, they'll be in good shape. If not, could be a rough game. I don't see going away unless OSU is able to break some type of big play. Those have been few and far between against good competition.

Seabus (Oct 27, 2005 1:25:12 PM)
Steve, because I believe two strengths such as OSU's run D and Minnesota's Run O usually end up cancelling each other out, how do you feel Minnesota's defense matches up against our offense?? Do they look to take the run away first or take Ginn and Holmes away?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:26:16 PM)
I think if you spread out Minnesota's defense, you can run on them. I imagine that's what OSU will try and do. Then, when you've set it up properly, they should be able to go over the top to Ginn and/or Holmes. They really need Holmes to have a big day (again).

bucknasty (Oct 27, 2005 1:26:22 PM)
Next year on Offense/Defense, where will we improve and get worse? Also, do you see any young players (chris wells) getting some playing time?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:28:01 PM)
On offense, they have the potential to improve. Chris Wells would add the power dimension. He wants to enroll early and go through spring ball. You have to think that Holmes will be gone, but Hall and Gonzalez will help out. Cordle would replace Mangold and they should have somebody to replace Sims at guard (maybe Datish moves there and Boone and Barton are the tackles). So I like everything about the offense ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:29:44 PM)
Now on defense, you lose Kudla and Green up front, all 3 LBs and at least Salley and Everett in the secondary. You have to hope that Richardson or some of the younger ends step up. I imagine Patterson will move inside full-time to replace Green. The LB positions are wide open. You have to hope D'Andrea stays healthy. Kerr, Hoobler, Freeman, Laurinaitis, maybe Terry and whoever else would be in the mix. That's a big drop off any way you cut it ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:30:36 PM)
In the secondary, Mitchell would likely replace Salley. Jenkins has already replaced Everett. Big question would be if Youboty leaves. Who plays that other corner? Nobody has stepped up yet, but you're looking at Amos, Brandon Underwood and a few others.

Guest (Oct 27, 2005 1:30:41 PM)
What's your prediction on the number of yards Maroney gets on our Rush D? In my eyes, he may get 100 but only if he carries the ball 40 times

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:30:53 PM)
buckeyeram asks for Maroney's final line for Sat ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:30:57 PM)
Oh geez ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:32:16 PM)
I bet he gets 25-30 carries and nets 100 or so yards. Hard to keep a good man down. Key is minimizing his impact and making Minnesota have to throw the ball. Could depend in how the game shakes out. If OSU somehow takes an early lead, Minnesota may have to throw it. Anything less than 28 carries would be a surprise. That's what they do. That's who they are.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:32:30 PM)
Then again, stopping the run -- that's what Ohio State does, that's who they are.

Seabus (Oct 27, 2005 1:32:45 PM)
Steve, say you are college football's king. Virginia Tech dominates Miami and Flordia State as well as the rest of it's schedule, USC wins out handily beating UCLA, and Texas wins out with blowouts the rest of the way. All other undefeated teams lose. Who do you, as king of college football, put in the final game?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:33:57 PM)
If I'm ABC, I want USC against Texas -- L.A. against the largest university in the world (or second, I dunno). I don't want Va. Tech from Blacksburg, Va. That's the point Tuberville was making when he said the ESPN guys have too much influence. He felt his little team from Auburn, Ala., didn't get treated fairly last year.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:35:03 PM)
I want to see Va. Tech tonight and get more of a feeling on them. I know they were dominant last Thursday night. BC has quietly put together a good year -- other than the home loss to FSU. Miami has quietly had a good year since the early loss to FSU as well. VT is not a lock to run the table. ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:35:29 PM)
I think Texas is in. But USC still has to go to Cal and play UCLA at the Coliseum. Those will be tough games.

osufan26 (Oct 27, 2005 1:35:46 PM)
Steve, I'm going to the Mass vs McKinley game this weekend. I was wondering what position Brian Gamble and Andrew Dailey might play in college and the same for Morgan Williams.. I'm really starting to believe he may be a better RB than Safety...Is he and the other two guys firmly on OSU's radar for next year?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:36:50 PM)
Gamble is 6-1, 180. He has the frame to pack on some weight. Duane thinks he will be a corner at the college level. Those are almost Chris Gamble's dimensions, by the way ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:37:34 PM)
Dailey is 6-3, 215 and Duane calls him a freak. He is probably an OLB when he gets to school at 6-4, 240. He has played some corner and safety. ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:38:48 PM)
Morgan Williams is 6-1, 190. Some say safety, some say RB. All 3, plus McKinley's Joe Morgan have been to at least one OSU game this year. They are well aware of all of them. OSU has not offered any juniors to my knowledge, though, yet.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:39:32 PM)
Enjoy the game. Should be an all-time classic ... and set the stage for the rematch in 3 weeks in the regional finals, probably at the Rubber Bowl. They may have to play that game at Cleveland Browns Stadium (ha ha).

bucknasty (Oct 27, 2005 1:39:45 PM)
When do we see Ginn take some plays on defense?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:40:35 PM)
You didn't see it last week, when I thought you might. You definitely won't see it this week unless a couple guys get hurt. Minnesota is going to run the ball and he isn't going to help there. Maybe for NW or UM. Or not at all.

MacAuley (Oct 27, 2005 1:40:43 PM)
Against MSU and Indiana, the Buckeye defense really started getting at the opposing QB after halftime. Do you see that happening this week or does it not matter given that Minnesota is predominantly a running team?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:42:35 PM)
Minnesota's offense is pretty good. They do a great job of setting up the pass with the play action and naked boots that Cupito runs. It will be important for the linemen and linebackers to play their assignments and not get sucked in. Cupito is dangerous if he has time. Now he is coming off a shoulder injury, so you know OSU will be bringing blitz pressure. The key will be if the blitz gets there because between the line and FB Justin Valentine they do a good job with pickup. It will be a real test if Cupito is on.

DuluthBuckeye (Oct 27, 2005 1:42:54 PM)
I think the 2006 defense will defined by the D-Line. There are a ton of players that need to step up next year that have been in the program for awhile. If they can dominate I don't think the defense will drop off that much. I see Freeman and D'andrea being able to provide pressure in the same manner as Hawk and Schlegal. IF youboty and whitner comeback i think the d-backfield will be as good or better than this year.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:43:17 PM)
Good because you want it to be good or good because you believe it will be (ha ha) ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:44:35 PM)
No, you make some valid points. They have an array of D-linemen like Joel Penton, Nader Abdallah, Vernon Gholston, Nader Abdallah, Lawrence Wilson, Doug Worthington, Alex Barrow and so on who need to stand up and be counted in 2006. I will grant you that. The numbers are there to believe they will get positive production. But none of them have hardly moved the needle this year so ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:45:19 PM)
Can't see the LBs being anywhere near this good next year. We don't know if D'Andrea will be able to go the route, for starters. The rest are completely untested. We'll know more after spring ball, that is for sure.

osufan26 (Oct 27, 2005 1:45:46 PM)
I bet they get 35,000 easily if McK and Mass meet again at the Rubber Bowl...

osufan26 (Oct 27, 2005 1:45:49 PM)
What is the latest on Ben Martin from LaSalle? Did he enjoy his ND trip? He and Joey D

osufan26 (Oct 27, 2005 1:45:54 PM)
I think Ben Martin and Joey D'Andrea are must have's on the D-Line..

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:47:24 PM)
Yeah, the impression I get is that ND leads for Ben Martin. OSU may be playing catch-up there. D'Andrea, at 6-3, 230 plays nose guard at UA, but probably projects as an end at the college level. Got to think OSU is the team to beat with a UA kid.

rbuck (Oct 27, 2005 1:47:33 PM)
Is Alex Daniels playing much? What position is he?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:48:15 PM)
Alex is the backup MLB. He's listed at 6-3, 230. He has 13 tackles in 7 games.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:48:22 PM)
He wears No. 6.

osufan26 (Oct 27, 2005 1:48:32 PM)
Is there any latest news on Fred Lenix or Thad Gibson?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:49:27 PM)
Nothing new on either count. We should double check on Lenix and make sure January is still the plan. May hinge on his coursework this fall at CCC, though. The word I had on Gibson was pretty definitive that OSU would not be able to take him. But we'll stay on that one, too.

Seabus (Oct 27, 2005 1:49:40 PM)
What about the Heisman? All of a sudden all people are talking about is Bush vs Vince Young. Yet Leinert has the same or better stats than last year. He has made the clutch plays. Is there a 'guiding hand' that directed people to Leinert last year and is directing people to Bush this year? Or am I too Oliver Stone on this?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:51:09 PM)
There is always that sentiment that they want to "spread it around." It is too bad there is only one award because all 3 guys really deserve it in my opinion. I think Young finishes third, though. That's where he will probably be on most ballots. Will come down to who gets the most first-place votes, Bush or Leinart. That race will be on through their game with UCLA. Leinart is still my No. 1.

JimC (Oct 27, 2005 1:51:24 PM)
Hi Steve. Any updates in recruiting?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:51:59 PM)
Mum is the word. Kids are hard to reach and there just doesn't seem to be much happening. Some visits are being set up slowly and surely. That's about the only news now.

edbuck51 (Oct 27, 2005 1:52:10 PM)
Of the recruits we know about with offers, or are being talked to, which three or five would be tops on your wish list?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:53:49 PM)
Probably Ray Small and Robert Rose, followed by A.J. Wallace, David Ausberry, Mark Johnson, Brian Thomas and Navorro Bowman. Maybe CB Ryan Hill if they can get him up for a visit. And, of course, Grant Schwartz. I think he will fit in nicely when/if he verbals.

Guest (Oct 27, 2005 1:54:10 PM)
What is the deal with Erik Haw? Is he that deep in the doghouse or is he just not performing in practice? I can't see how a guy with his size and speed couldn't at least contribute to special teams. I would like to see him return a kick.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:54:28 PM)
buckeyeram4 asks about Erik Haw and why he hasn't contributed ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:56:20 PM)
Yep, he was in the dog house. So was Troy Smith, but they magically let him out. I don't know and can't explain it. Maybe his play in practice is substandard. That TD run he had in the spring game when he shook Terry in the backfield, then beat him to the pylon was something special. I don't get it. On a team with very few options at RB, they have gone out of their way not to play him. He doesn't even go on the road trips. He really messed up and it may or may not be more than just the marijuana thing. Again, I don't honestly know. ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:56:52 PM)
You ask and they consistently say Brandon Schnittker and Maurice Wells are 2 and 3. Maybe they don't think they can rely on Erik yet. I don't know.

edbuck51 (Oct 27, 2005 1:56:56 PM)
Have you been impressed with Pittman so far? He seems to be improving as the season wears on.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:58:30 PM)
Oh my yes. He's finishing plays much better, falling forward. You think about what passed for TB play here the last two years and this isn't even a funny joke how much better this kid is than what they've had since Reecie left. He's averaged over 100 yards in the 4 Big Ten games. That says it all. He is coming into his own. Heck, he's even been a threat catching the ball, too. He's getting there. He and Chris Wells could be a thunder and lightning combo next year.

edbuck51 (Oct 27, 2005 1:58:38 PM)
Do you think Boston College has any chance against Va. Tech tonite?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 1:59:21 PM)
Sure, but Va. Tech is such a tough place for a visiting team to play. Ought to be a great game. If Vick stays away from the costly pick, VT should win. I think I picked them by 10.

rbuck (Oct 27, 2005 1:59:30 PM)
How does the BCS determine who goes to the bowl game if say OSU and Wisconsin are tied with 1 conference loss apiece?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:01:34 PM)
Because they did not play, it goes to better overall record. Wisconsin would be 10-1 (with nonconf wins over BG, UNC and Temple), while OSU would be 9-2. Basically, OSU has to win the Big Ten outright to get the BCS automatic bid. They would lose tiebreakers to PSU (head to head loss) and Wisconsin (overall record). Then, if that happens, they would have only a minute chance of getting a BCS at-large berth with so many potential one-loss teams and a possible 9-2 Notre Dame out there. If they don't win Big Ten outright, looks like Cap One in Orlando ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:02:21 PM)
Best scenario is OSU wins out, PSU beats Wisconsin at home 11/5 and MSU then beats PSU in East Lansing. OSU just needs to win out, though, and let the chips fall where they may. Beating Minnesota is Job One.

Seabus (Oct 27, 2005 2:02:27 PM)
Steve who do you see winning the Mr Ohio Football award this year? What about the ONN award? Do you have a midseason review on that?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:03:49 PM)
Mr. Football, I don't have a good clue. My three guys I look at would be Copley's Delone Carter (big rushing numbers), Garfield's Chris Wells (top prospect will likely finish shy of 2,000 on a .500 team) and Coldwater's Ross Homan (may be best two-way player in the state). We'll look at some other guys, but those are the three. If I had to vote today, it might be Homan. I dunno.

edbuck51 (Oct 27, 2005 2:04:01 PM)
When Laurinaitis is on the field, he seems to be around the ball most of the time. Is this a diamond in the rough? He seems like a storyline just waiting to happen.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:04:44 PM)
He's a football player. He had something like 180 tackles as a senior. I bet he's one of those kids that just jumps off a tape at you. I wonder if he may be the closest thing to Hawk OSU has. Hmmm.

edbuck51 (Oct 27, 2005 2:04:49 PM)
What are your thoughts on Cotton? Is he lacking in talent or effort or both, or is he just fighting a numbers game?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:05:22 PM)
Numbers game, yes, but I think Heacock would like to see Sian fight through some adversity on and off the field. That's the impression I get. We saw last spring he has some skill.

robobuck (Oct 27, 2005 2:05:27 PM)
Do you think there is any chance Haw will come back next year or is he going to transfer?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:05:46 PM)
He's a Columbus kid. My guess is he sticks it out.

rbuck (Oct 27, 2005 2:05:59 PM)
Steve, I know this is hard to say, but if say Adrian Peterson were at OSU... and he had the little problem with class attendance....I think at OU he played in the first series, but didn't start. Do you think he plays that game at all at OSU?? It just seems that JT disciplines a lot heavier than these coaches at other big time programs....and I have no problem with how he does it!

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:07:32 PM)
Yeah, that is so touchy because I don't know what the full details are of what Peterson and/or Stoops did there. I assume it was a minor hiccup. Tressel would take whatever he thinks is the appropriate measure for the kid and the group. So don't assume a kid would miss a game if it's something minor. JT isn't going to cut his nose off to spite his face.

labsbeabmm (Oct 27, 2005 2:07:44 PM)
If we don't finish on an upnote in this year's recruiting and have a srong year next year we are in danger of a serious slide for a couple of years.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:08:56 PM)
It is easy to get discouraged. I think a lot of people, myself included, believed this team could be a national championship contender. You have to hope the recruits they have brought in in recent years will do what they're supposed to do and OSU can consistently threaten in the BCS and Big Ten. ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:09:59 PM)
I caught all holy hell for pointing out that next year you graduate your defense and go to Texas. In 2007, you have a new QB and go to Wash., PSU and UM. In 2008, you go to USC. In 2009, you have USC at home and are supposed to go to Wash. State, PSU and UM. Those are tall mountains to scale ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:10:28 PM)
But the flip side is they have recruited reasonably well (in the top 10 almost every year) to think they're gonna be all right. Just keep the faith ...

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:10:30 PM)
I guess.

edbuck51 (Oct 27, 2005 2:10:40 PM)
How bad is the field at the Metrodome? It seems like somebody gets hurt every time we play there. It seems like there should be some standard for surfaces these guys play on.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:11:22 PM)
There are no standards. That field used to be concrete. Now they have put in the same FieldTurf everybody else has and OSU uses on its practice field and indoor facility.

Seabus (Oct 27, 2005 2:11:30 PM)
Steve, where do you see the rest of the big ten season going? Will Penn State win out? Will Michigan get by Northwestern?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:13:28 PM)
The swing game for OSU is Michigan. If they win that game, they should be at least co-champs, and that is something when you think they've won exactly one Big Ten title in the last 6 years. PSU has another loss in them somewhere, either at home to UW or at MSU. NW beats Michigan 33-30, at least that's what I said in my picks. No matter what happens it can't be as good as that 54-51 classic in 2000.

edbuck51 (Oct 27, 2005 2:13:40 PM)
On the forum board, buckeyenole suggested a Big Ten Tie-Breaker game if co-champs didn't play during the regular season. That sounded like a pretty good idea to me. What do you think, and do you think the Big Ten muckity mucks would buy it?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:15:23 PM)
The NCAA only allows championship games for leagues with 12 teams or more. The Big Ten powers that be would gladly go that route if they could ever get ND to join and make their TV deals worth a bunch more money. But it is a wash to add Pitt or Louisville and add the playoff game. You'd have a slightly larger TV pie, but it would be divided 12 ways, not 11 -- no net gain of dollars. So why dilute the regular season and the OSU-Michigan game by making the winner play another game after that. It doesn't make sense.

osufan26 (Oct 27, 2005 2:15:50 PM)
Who is the top running back next year in Ohio? Some say Williams, some say Mabin, some say Simpson and some say Herron..Who is it?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:17:05 PM)
And there is also Devon Torrence at Canton South. It's a toss-up, maybe Brian Gamble from Massillon. We have the winter and spring camp season to sort that out.

Seabus (Oct 27, 2005 2:17:30 PM)
Steve what's your take on our lack of QB philosphy in recruiting? We have a mix of mobile QB's (Smith, Henton), strong armed pocket passers (Zwick, Schoenhoft), and somewhat inbetween (Boeckman). Those schools that are successful at developing QB's seem not to do this (USC, Michigan, Cal). Does this hurt the offensive continuity through the course of players careers?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:18:25 PM)
Possibly. I think they're just hedging their bets and this way they are able to go whatever direction works the best in a given year, given their personnel.

Seabus (Oct 27, 2005 2:18:28 PM)
You forgot Brandon Saine in 2007 RB's, he could easily be the best with his speed and production.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:18:42 PM)
Yep, you're right. Next year may be the year of the RB.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:19:00 PM)
Few more then I'd gotta go to Schottenstein Center to see the pretty new colors.

edbuck51 (Oct 27, 2005 2:19:06 PM)
Does it seem like Coach Peterson is settling into the RC position, and that he is being successful? It's not overtly obvious on the outside how that is progressing. Do you think Coach Hazel might be more dynamic in that role?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:20:09 PM)
Peterson knows everybody in Ohio. He's coached in the state for 10 years now. I guess I'd like to see them be a little more pro-active, but it's a tough job. They also have to coach the current team. They will put everything they have into recruiting as soon as the season ends.

MacAuley (Oct 27, 2005 2:20:12 PM)
Do you think Heacock and the defense will be able to contain Basenez and the NW offense?

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:20:59 PM)
Yeah, I do. The Iowa game was a great hurdle to show them they can do it. Basanez hurt them much the same way Tate did a year ago. They will get after him. That could be for a piece of the title if things shake out a certain way between now and then.

edbuck51 (Oct 27, 2005 2:21:02 PM)
Who gave you HH and why for those factual observations? Especially for a team that becomes Cooperesk on the road. Why does JT convince himself and everybody else that road games are ridiculously difficult. He should embrace that challenge like he does the Michigan challenge. I don't get that one. It's worse that Tiger playing at Pebble Beach.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:22:01 PM)
Just goodnatured OSU fans who always want the positive outlook. They got on me for being too dang negative (another Cooperism). Agreed on the road game thing. I have some numbers to share in Buckeye Grove later today.

rbuck (Oct 27, 2005 2:22:04 PM)
What about a lifetime contract for Thad Matta, we had a similar coach to him in Gary Williams and lost him. Granted it was to his alma mater, but keeping Thad is a must. I really think he is going to prove himself as one of the top 10 coaches in america.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:22:52 PM)
Agreed, he seems to be the hottest young coach in college basketball. If he starts hanging Big Ten and Final Four banners, they will lock him up. There is too much at stake and too many seats to fill in VCA not to.

edbuck51 (Oct 27, 2005 2:23:05 PM)
Nobody around here seems to be thinking much about Northwestern. From what I've seen this year, they are the best team left on OSU's schedule. Do you think Michigan and Minnesota are better the NU, or do you think it's the fear of playing on the road thing. One thing for sure, the Buckeye players will be keyed up for the Wildcats, which is essential.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:24:23 PM)
Yes, playing the two UM's on the road puts those two games on par with NU. They got absolutely drubbed at ASU, I believe. Gave up 600-700 yards offense in that game. There isn't a perfect team in the Big Ten this year. You'd hope they would be up for NU, but they will have played something like 17 games between then and that loss a year ago. Will they truly remember?

osufan26 (Oct 27, 2005 2:24:27 PM)
I forgot about Saine and Torrence...I dont' know how I could have forgotten either of these guys..I thought Torrence was being looked at as a CB? He's a hell of an athlete and his brother may be just as good..

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:24:31 PM)
Yep, sure is.

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:24:48 PM)
Hey, gotta run. Gary tomorrow at 1and Duane at some point on Monday,

SteveHelwagen (Oct 27, 2005 2:24:57 PM)
Tip your bartenders and servers.

Seabus (Oct 27, 2005 2:25:00 PM)
Thanks Steve

edbuck51 (Oct 27, 2005 2:25:37 PM)
Adios Steve.

MacAuley (Oct 27, 2005 2:25:57 PM)
Thanks Steve!!!

MacAuley (Oct 27, 2005 2:26:10 PM)
O - H !!!

Seabus (Oct 27, 2005 2:28:15 PM)

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