Helwagen Chat: Nov. 10 Archive

Here are excerpts from Steve Helwagen's Chat session on Thursday. Gary Housteau will host a Chat at 11 a.m. Friday. We hope to have Chat sessions every day next week leading up to the Michigan game.

buckgrad (Nov 10, 2005 11:11:05 AM)
Steve, how you doing, what is the one thing that scares you the most about this Northwestern team?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:12:15 AM)
Just that they get really hot, kind of like Cupito did and they're able to score 28 or 30 points. That makes it a tight game. I don't think that will happen, though. They only had 14 pts. against Iowa last week with 2 mins. left. By that point, OSU should have the game firmly in hand.

buckicrazy (Nov 10, 2005 11:13:01 AM)
Hi Steve, I'm seeing more articles about Whitner possibly leaving early for the NFL. How many Jr's do see having the chance to leave compared to the ones you think will leave?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:14:47 AM)
I don't know about that. I expect him to return. I think the gist of Gary's article was that Whitner has worked his way into being an NFL-caliber player, not necessarily that he will be there next year. Maybe I should go back and read it (ha ha). I think Holmes is probably 60-40 in favor of going. Anybody else would be 50-50 or less in favor of returning. That would probably only be Youboty and Whitner. Not sure what other juniors would be in that spot.

keato (Nov 10, 2005 11:14:58 AM)
Steve- can you please explain to me why Bill Nagy has yet to be offered? He's a 4 star athlete 6-5/295/and can play on either side of the ball. Good student from a good school, I thought these are the type of kids Tress covets...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:16:54 AM)
Yeah, I'm kinda confused by that ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:18:23 AM)
Bill has some good offers -- BC, Illinois, Louisville, WVU, Wisconsin, Syracuse and Maryland. I guess when Aaron Brown went to VT, OSU's big move was to formalize the offer to Bryant Browning from Glenville. They must make a value judgment that he's better. I dunno. I think they honestly could take 4 OL this year to rebuild depth. And with Nagy being able to play OL and DL, he seems like he'd be a good one to have.

buckgrad (Nov 10, 2005 11:18:41 AM)
Steve, I asked this last week to Gary, assuming Santonio is gone, who is our #1 wideout? I feel TG is a solid #2 guy, but who is the guy that steps up and makes the tough catches the way Santonio does? Thanks

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:20:27 AM)
Anthony Gonzalez ain't all bad. Plus, you'd have Hall, Dukes, Robiskie, Lyons, Hartline and Chichester in that mix, too. I think they'll be OK.

leroydx15 (Nov 10, 2005 11:20:39 AM)
Steve, did you get a chance to read the article on Tyrell Sutton in the Akron Beacon yesterday? He said tOSU gave him nothing but letters and no phone calls, not one. Seems like he will carry a chip on his shoulder everytime he plays against tOSU. What can we expect of him Saturday and for the rest of his collegiate career?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:22:18 AM)
I understand why he's upset. This kid seems to be legit and he never got the time of day from Ohio State. ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:23:42 AM)
It is unfortunate, these things do happen from time to time. You wish they didn't. You wish they could take them all. Sutton just did not fit their profile size-wise. No way to dance around it. Coach Tressel mentioned timing, etc. That's somewhat of a misnomer. They knew how good Sutton was after his junior year and just took a pass. That's their prerogative. ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:24:59 AM)
As for how he'll do, does anybody ever gash this defense -- particularly a smaller back. No, of course not. I bring it out every time. The Amos Zereoue club. At the end of the day, he'll have his 20 carries, 75 yards. Other members -- McGahee, Morency, Maroney (though he did get the hunge), etc.

buckgrad (Nov 10, 2005 11:25:12 AM)
Steve, how many future Buckeyes do you see in this years Army All-American game?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:28:25 AM)
Rose, Connor Smith, Chris Wells probably. Ginn should be able to get Ray Small in if somebody can't make it, whatever. I'm not sure about any others. Haven't seen the full list yet.

yo (Nov 10, 2005 11:28:33 AM)
Steve, I am really scared about the future at linebacker. After this yr we will have freeman and dandrea who have had injury problems,hoobler who is untested and kerr who is undersized, and recruiting the lb position the last 2 yrs have been a problem. Homan is a nice addtion but where are the other lbs?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:30:01 AM)
I agree, there is something to be said for game experience and even D'Andrea doesn't have all that much of it. Kerr is OK. He'll be fine. You don't mention Freeman. He's a beast if he's healthy. He would have 3 years left, which is great. That injury was a blessing in disguise. Hoobler, I think, will be OK. But to expect any combo of these guys to play like All-Americans from the start is ridiculous.

Guest (Nov 10, 2005 11:30:10 AM)
Steve, the polls are showing OSU some love right now but if we were to finish with the same record as ND and the BCS can only take one - who goes?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:30:30 AM)
keato asks about the BCS and if OSU and ND finish 9-2 and there is one slot between them, who goes?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:30:33 AM)
That's easy ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:31:15 AM)
If ND finishes in the BCS top 12, the Irish would be in and OSU -- even with a higher ranking -- would be on the outside. The Fiesta wants ND so bad it can taste it. ND-PSU or ND-OSU out there would be huger than huge.

buckicrazy (Nov 10, 2005 11:31:25 AM)
Do we see more of Frost at TE this week?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:32:42 AM)
He has started the last 2 weeks. I suppose so. If they want to grind some meat. That's what November is about. Getting that 100 yards on the ground, keeping your defense on the sideline. They even went some two TEs with Brandon Smith and had one ill-fated short yardage set with two TEs and H-Back Stan White. But, yeah, Frost is the guy there for now.

buckgrad (Nov 10, 2005 11:32:46 AM)
Heres you weekly chat Gibson and Lenix update question, anything new?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:33:27 AM)
Nothing on either count. Gibson will visit UM next Sat. His team was knocked out of the playoffs by Glenville. Gary may actually be in touch with Lenix either today or Sat. to get an update on his status.

buckeyeD (Nov 10, 2005 11:34:51 AM)
Is Chris Wells going to start over Pittman next yr?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:36:26 AM)
I doubt it. Maybe they start together in some split back or spread sets in lieu of the FB. If Pittman keeps going as he is, he'll be the starter. Starter is so limited in scope. That's one play. They use 17-18 guys on offense any more, so everybody plays. The key will be number of carries. My guess is, as a freshman, they'll start Chris Wells off slow. Pittman will average 20 and Wells 10. The numbers will then be adjusted accordingly. That's a safe bet.

muskiebuck (Nov 10, 2005 11:36:35 AM)
Steve, do you think that Marcel Frost is working his way out of the Tressel dog house? He may be very valuable againt U of M if he becomes a weapon. Certainly, Hamby doesn't inspire my confidence at this point.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:37:47 AM)
Yeah, Frost made a great running catch last week and turned up the sideline. If he can make 2-3 of those style plays a week, he'll become an every down player pretty quickly. He just needs to deliver a quality rep on every play, whether it's blocking, running a great route or catching the ball. If he's able to do that, he'll play. He has almost prototype TE size and agility, I think.

buckeyeD (Nov 10, 2005 11:37:56 AM)
what is your prediciton of where OSU plays in the bowl games?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:38:02 AM)
Oh man ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:38:29 AM)
It's predicated on what they do and what PSU does vs. MSU, obviously.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:39:12 AM)
Also predicated on the exact picking order by the BCS bowls. Some say Fiesta would get first choice (if Rose has USC-Texas), some think they'd get first 2 picks ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:40:48 AM)
If OSU wins out and MSU upsets PSU, that puts OSU in BCS at either Fiesta or Orange. Fiesta will take ND with its first pick, no doubt. Orange then may snag OSU to play Miami, VT or FSU, whoever its host school may be. Or maybe Fiesta somehow grabs OSU (say ND loses or they get 2 picks). The Sugar (in Atlanta) is almost carved in stone as SEC winner vs. WVU. ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:41:19 AM)
OSU can also win out, get to 9-2 and get shut out if BCS at-larges go instead to 9-2 ND and 10-1 VT. That would put OSU in Cap One.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:42:15 AM)
A loss to Michigan could drop OSU to Outback or even the Alamo. Here's how: PSU to BCS with a win, Wisconsin to Cap One with win over Iowa, UM (8-3, same record as OSU with win over Buckeyes) to Outback and OSU to Alamo. Real dicey proposition here.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:42:46 AM)
I'm still saying win out and BCS. That ND-OSU Fiesta would be a dream sequence, no doubt. Fiesta could also go ND-PSU and have a winner, too.

buckeyeD (Nov 10, 2005 11:42:53 AM)
whats ur prediciton!

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:43:04 AM)
ND-OSU Fiesta

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:43:35 AM)
I think they find a way to get that done. That's an afternoon game, but that may draw as big a rating as Texas-USC.

buckeyeD (Nov 10, 2005 11:44:09 AM)

buckeyeD (Nov 10, 2005 11:44:12 AM)
thank you

22db (Nov 10, 2005 11:44:56 AM)
Would a C.Wells/Homan backfield ever be a possibility in shot-yardage situations?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:45:26 AM)
Might be. Homan is a tough kid, no doubt. Maybe they're thinking about him as a FB. Most of the talk has been LB, though.

buckgrad (Nov 10, 2005 11:45:38 AM)
Steve, do you think the short glimpse of TG at QB was just to give Michigan something look for? Seemed like a teaser to me.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:45:59 AM)
Yeah, they got that on tape against Illinois. Just something to give them a thought to prepare for.

buckgrad (Nov 10, 2005 11:46:01 AM)
Steve, it seemed to me that Illinois was playing a little dirty last week, a lot of extra pushes, seemed to piss off AJ a few times, did you see the same? Thanks

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:46:53 AM)
Yes, Hawk was mad because I think he thought he was clipped outside the tackle box. They called it on OSU twice at Indiana and OSU can't get one called on its opponents. He was really upset and it takes a lot to get him mad. He was yelling at the officials and at the Illini. Dirty play.

DantheMan (Nov 10, 2005 11:48:27 AM)
Yeah, Illinois was trying to act tough on defense, chippy. But I LOVED how Datish drove his man down the field, through the end zone and out of bounds onto his back: and then got up and told him about it some more: Illinois deserved it. :)

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:49:16 AM)

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:49:26 AM)
Good to see some fire from the big guys.

buckeyeD (Nov 10, 2005 11:51:35 AM)
what LB's do we eventually get?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:52:52 AM)
They are in on several. They have Homan and Moeller. Also in on Mark Johnson, A.J. Jones, Navorro Bowman, Colin McCarthy. McCarthy may be it. Bowman has visited. They need to get the others in for visits and go from there.

DantheMan (Nov 10, 2005 11:52:59 AM)
Yes, while we are on the subject: do you know which Big Ten school has the reputation for doing the most in-game trash talking?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:53:35 AM)
They say Northwestern is bad at it for some reason. Rob Sims said for some reason, the worst teams talk the most. He said everybody in the Big Ten talks.

22db (Nov 10, 2005 11:53:42 AM)
Do you see us going with some man coverage against NW ? Some people think zone coverage cost us the game last year.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:54:38 AM)
What cost them the game is they were unable to locate Basanez. But OSU did a number on Tate and Stanton this year. Moving Carpenter to end in nickel situations has done the trick. He has been banged up, but if he's healthy that should do it. I don't worry so much about the coverage. ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:54:54 AM)
Now if they start converting 8 or 9 third-and-8-or-longer situations again.

Guest (Nov 10, 2005 11:55:00 AM)
Steve- how many teams from big10 go bowling and if you had to guess what teams end up where.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:55:13 AM)
Keato asks about Big Ten teams bowling and who ends up where ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:56:40 AM)
PSU and OSU in the BCS somewhere. Wisconsin Cap One, Michigan Outback, Iowa Alamo, Minnesota Sun, NW Music City and MSU (if they can skeeze a win over Minnesota or PSU) to Motor City.

buckgrad (Nov 10, 2005 11:56:52 AM)
Yeah, heres a smart one, what grade to OSU receive on that ridiculous report on minority hiring?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 11:57:46 AM)
I don't know. I didn't see it. Regarding coaches? Probably fair if assistants are factored. Administrators? The AD and two associate ADs are black.

hondo (Nov 10, 2005 11:57:54 AM)
Steve, I'm still pumped up about yesterdays signings. Whose class would you rather have ours or North Carolinas?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:00:15 PM)
Ohio State's, just because their needs were so severe and they also got the impact big man. UNC could have gotten by with 3-4 good players. Both are strong. OSU has 4 of the top 29 prospects, UNC has 4 of the top 22 and 3 of the top 8. You can make a case either way. I think rankings-wise, UNC deserves to be No. 1. OSU a tight second ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:00:41 PM)
The key as always with these things is who will get more mileage out of their respective class. That is the challenge each staff is facing now ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:01:07 PM)
As I've said, one national pundit predicts these 2 freshman classes to play for the 2007 national title. That would be something, huh?

Guest (Nov 10, 2005 12:01:13 PM)
What did Michigan do so right to stymie NW's offense?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:01:23 PM)
DantheMan asks how UM contained NW ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:01:42 PM)
The Wolverines played physical, got after Basanez and re-routed the NW receivers.

buckgrad (Nov 10, 2005 12:02:17 PM)
Kudla is having a great year, do you know how many sacks he has and do you think he is 1st team all big ten worthy as of now?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:03:16 PM)
Carpenter leads with 8 and Kudla and Hawk are next with 6.5. I know Tamba Hali would be one Al-Big Ten end. Maybe Kudla is the other. I plan on studying that for my next Buckeye Grove column and giving you my team. Kudla is playing great right now, though. I'd say yes (at least until I study it).

hondo (Nov 10, 2005 12:03:26 PM)
Steve, based on rumblings you may have heard, do you think anyone transfers after the bowl game?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:04:11 PM)
I have heard nothing to suggest that anybody is transferring. Zwick and Haw would be two of the lead candidates. But I'm not sure that is a big consideration for them.

buckgrad (Nov 10, 2005 12:04:24 PM)
On ESPN all they said was that Michigan received an A and Florida a D. I guess if OSU had received a low mark Im sure ESPN would have taken the opportunity to dog OSU on air.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:05:29 PM)
I dunno. UM does have Amaker as its basketball coach and had Ellerbe before that. I have no idea what criteria they used or what time frame they looked at.

buckeyeD (Nov 10, 2005 12:05:35 PM)
are we going to be better or worse next yr... do we have a legit shot at the NC in '06?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:06:44 PM)
The offense should keep humming, particularly if Holmes stays. They need new blood at center (likely Jimmy Cordle as an RS-Fr.). The OL should come into focus with Rehring or Datish at guard in place of Sims and Barton and Boone at the tackle spots. Frost and Nicol would replace Hamby at TE. ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:09:01 PM)
Defensively, they take a hit. They lose Kudla and Green up front, the 3 LBs, Salley and Everett. That is a lot to lose at one time. ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:09:45 PM)
My feeling is the game at Texas is a long shot. Within the Big Ten, they're probably OK and maybe favored in every game. Probably, just off the top of my head, looking at 10-2 and maybe 7-1.

buckeyeD (Nov 10, 2005 12:09:50 PM)
..and..who are some of the other NC candidates???

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:11:08 PM)
USC loses its backfield and probably has to regroup. Texas loses some key linemen, but would have to be factored in if Young returns. Beyond that, maybe VT with Vick, not sure about UGa. and Shockley, LSU, probably ND with Quinn, the usual suspects.

buckgrad (Nov 10, 2005 12:11:16 PM)
Steve, youre running a 4-3 defense, who are your starting 3 lbs for the OSU all time team?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:11:27 PM)
This begins with Chris Spielman ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:12:26 PM)
The candidates after that are Gradishar, Cousineau, Cobb, Marek, Pepper Johnson, Tovar, Katzenmoyer, Wilhelm, Hawk.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:14:01 PM)
That is so hard to answer. You can make a case for every one of those other guys. Hawk, I almost put him in Chris' league. It goes beyond tackling. He pressures QBs, he picked off Vince Young, for goodness sake. He'd have to be in there. Plus he is a two-time A-A and has to be a fave for the Butkus and maybe even the Lombardi.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:14:40 PM)
After that maybe Gradishar or Cousineau (he was the top overall pick in the NFL draft, after all). Katzenmoyer wasn't bad, either.

hondo (Nov 10, 2005 12:14:43 PM)
Do you think Holmes may stay another year? I just assumed he was leaving.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:15:10 PM)
Very slim possibility. He's at least 60-40 out the door. The guy has been a great, not good, but great Ohio State Buckeye.

buckgrad (Nov 10, 2005 12:15:20 PM)
...or maybe even tougher is, what are your 3 starting wrs on your all time team right now? I got to go with Carter, Glen and Boston

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:17:44 PM)
Glenn really only had the one great year in 95, though. He was pretty good in 94, Galloway and Chris Sanders were the starters in 94. On the TD rec list it goes Boston with 34, Carter with 27 and Holmes with 23. He can be No. 2 by the end of this year and would obliterate the 34 if he comes back.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:18:40 PM)
Galloway had a better OSU career than Glenn and Michael Jenkins needs to be in this discussion somewhere, too. He's the career rec yardage leader.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:19:23 PM)
You have the 3 you mentioned and the 3 I would add -- Galloway, Jenkins and Holmes -- and you have pretty good corps I would say.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:20:24 PM)
Remember, Gary at 11 tomorrow, Dave Biddle 9 p.m. Mon., Bill Conley 11 a.m. Tues., Michigan expert Wed., Steve and Gary next Thurs and Fri and Conley back at 1 p.m. on Mon. Nov. 21.

buckeyeD (Nov 10, 2005 12:20:27 PM)
what big time recruits, OOS, do we get?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:22:49 PM)
Your guess would be as good as mine. They need to get some of those players to visit campus. ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:25:25 PM)
We can assume 1 of 2 things -- Either the guys doing the Scout rankings don't know what they're talking about or they do and the OSU coaches aren't paying any attention to them. OSU is really only in on Ryan Hill (62), Ausberry (65), Mark Johnson (67), Ray Small (85), AJ Jones (89), AJ Wallace (90) and maybe Jason Adjepong (100). They don't appear able to get Gibson (46) into school, for whatever reason. ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:27:22 PM)
Of course, they already have Wells (3), Smith (22), Homan (57), Chichester (61), Ballard (71).

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:29:28 PM)
But you mentioned OOS guys. They're in on a few. Now they need to close on them.

buckgrad (Nov 10, 2005 12:29:39 PM)
will Chris Wells play in the spring game, I read where it was going to be close?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:30:25 PM)
I have not heard that ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 10, 2005 12:31:04 PM)
Gary reported he graduates 1/17 and enrolls spring quarter for spring ball. What is close? his grades or something?

hondo (Nov 10, 2005 12:31:13 PM)
Thanks Steve!

buckgrad (Nov 10, 2005 12:31:16 PM)
Thanks Steve, have a good weekend

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