Helwagen Chat: Nov. 23 Archive

Here are excerpts from Wednesday's Chat session on the Bucknuts.com web site. We conduct these Chat sessions each week for Bucknuts.com subscribers.

keato (Nov 23, 2005 1:13:36 PM)
Steve, I'm getting a little concerned with the BCS and where we end up. We all no the Pac10 griped all last year when Cal got shut out of the BCS now Oregon is in the same boat and if they listen this year OSU could be the team left out. So it aint so Steve!!!

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:13:53 PM)
Yeah, this sucks, Keato ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:14:41 PM)
They are going to try and politic all they can. It's bad that the Fiesta Bowl offices are in a Pac-10 city and they use a Pac-10 stadium. In a few years, they are moving to the new NFL stadium across town and none of this will matter. I would be concerned ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:15:37 PM)
But I think they are sensible enough to know OSU-ND is a once-a-generation show they can put on. ABC certainly understands it. They can look back at the ratings they did for OSU-ND in 1995 and who do they have in prime time this Sat.? ND. ABC needs to speak up for Ohio State.

Palmer (Nov 23, 2005 1:16:14 PM)
Steve, who of the glenville underclassmen do you see OSU getting? any chance with Hinds? heard he likes florida

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:17:28 PM)
Hines is from Georgia. I guess we'll have to wait and see. It would be natural for him to want to play closer to his real home, I guess. But you know, if he's as good as everybody says (and Gary likes him), then OSU will put on the Full-Court Ginn Press to get him. Glenville has really come up big for Ohio State, that is for sure.

Buckeye Boss (Nov 23, 2005 1:17:35 PM)
Do you think Michigan will fire Llyod Carr when UM looses next year to Ohio State?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:18:55 PM)
Oh, man. Bill Martin the AD is a straight shooter. I have no idea how many more years Carr has on his deal. Carr may want to get out before that happens. I had this conversation with somebody on my way home from Michigan ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:19:28 PM)
Which it was eerie because I stayed in the press box until 9:30 writing that Troy Smith story, so when I got back into Ohio after 11 there was no traffic on the road. Anyway ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:19:49 PM)
If this topic of Lloyd Carr's job security comes up, this is what you say ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:20:13 PM)
"Fire Lloyd Carr, well, geez, he won the national championship there. They couldn't possibly get rid of him, could they?"

Buckeye Boss (Nov 23, 2005 1:20:23 PM)
Lloyd Carr's class is priceless.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:20:50 PM)
Yeah, he is somewhat of a sore loser, I must say. But so was Woody and just about everybody else.

keato (Nov 23, 2005 1:20:57 PM)
Steve, that would be a great matchup OSU-ND and I hope it happens. Happy Thanksgining to you and your family...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:21:42 PM)
You, too, Keato. I am excited just thinking about. Quinn vs. his hometown team. You know everybody would be watching that one. Two teams on a downhill roll, somebody has to lose, could be a great one.

yo (Nov 23, 2005 1:21:51 PM)
Steve..staff was asleep at the wheel with joe thomas..now with the kicker wright ,it seems we have the same problem...what's your take on whats going on here?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:22:50 PM)
I think academics may have been involved in the slow trigger on Thomas over the summer. But I think, call me crazy, he is still in play for Ohio State. Just stay tuned and see if he makes an official visit one of these weekends. ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:23:52 PM)
On the kicker Wright, yes he made a 57-yarder and seems to be a can't-miss prospect. But as some on the boards have noted, OSU has Pettrey and walk-on Pretorius lined up. Huston said Pettrey is the real deal. I'd say just relax. Now if Wright makes a 50-yarder to beat tOSU ...

1buckeye (Nov 23, 2005 1:24:01 PM)
Steve, thanks for opening this up to us non-paying Bucknuts. If UCLA would beat USC, would they get the PAC 10 auto-bid and knock us out of BCS consideration?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:24:50 PM)
Yes, that is not a good scenario. Same would apply if the Big 12 North champ somehow upsets Texas. They would almost assuredly have to make room for Texas or USC if they would lose. You do not want to see that, obviously.

Palmer (Nov 23, 2005 1:24:58 PM)
Steve, a lot of people seem to like Andre Amos, how do you see him fitting in next year? Also, is Kurt Coleman enrolling early? and who else do you know of who might enroll early?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:26:30 PM)
I agree on Amos. If he has a nice spring, he and Jenkins could be in the lineup next year. Amos is a big, fast, athletic corner prospect. I think Coleman is enrolling early. In fact, I know it because Charles Babb did a story on him and Kurt could not be in a year-long program at Northmont because he'll be leaving at mid-year. Wells and Homan are also planning to enroll early. They are almost rendering the summer all-star games moot.

osupep (Nov 23, 2005 1:27:01 PM)
The coaches made it seem as if Maurice Wells was a "can't miss" prospect, but I have been less than impressed as it seems he is scared of contact, lacks vision, and can only get positive yards when there is a huge hole (i.e. the Td against Northwestern). What do you think?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:28:26 PM)
He needs to be used where he can be used. He is not a between the tackles back yet. He does not have enough lead in his pencil. This is like Darren Sproles trying to run inside against Darrion Scott and Will Smith -- not going to happen. He was pressed into service as a freshman. Would have been nice if he could have redshirted like Haw did, but they did not have that luxury. Don't give up on him yet.

Palmer (Nov 23, 2005 1:28:29 PM)
Steve, what juniors do you see getting offers after signing day?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:30:19 PM)
probably Ben Martin from LaSalle, Devon Torrence from Canton South, maybe Clay Belton the QB from Northmont (he was at almost every OSU game), Andrew Dailey from Massillon, Eugene Clifford from the Michigan pipeline at Colerain (or is that now an OSU pipeline?). Maybe Jermale Hines from Glenville and RB Morgan Williams from McKinley.

PigMan (Nov 23, 2005 1:30:27 PM)
Steve, did you happen to keep an eye on Chris Wells last Saturday? I was curious if he ever slipped and cheered for OSU even though he was a UM visitor.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:30:42 PM)
Chris was not there. Gary reported that he stayed home, where he should have been.

broch (Nov 23, 2005 1:30:49 PM)
Steve- We're now hearing people say Ginn will leave after next year, but I thought I remembered him or Ginn Sr. saying he will be here for four. What are your thoughts?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:32:37 PM)
That's one we're hearing more and more of, especially with word that Whitner may leave. Again, there is nothing concrete here. Tressel's "rule" is if you have a chance to be a first-round pick it makes sense. They pay the first rounders an inordinate amount of guaranteed money and you're essentially set for life. I'm not sure Whitner falls in that category. He may go like Fox did in Round 3 or so, maybe a smidge sooner. Don't get me wrong, he was GREAT this year. But the market is the market ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:33:55 PM)
As far as Ginn is concerned, if he can play all season like he has these last 5-6 games, he would be a first-round pick as a third receiver and return man right out of the box.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:34:07 PM)
He will have a tough decision to make.

PigMan (Nov 23, 2005 1:34:21 PM)
Steve, have you heard if last weekends win got us any closer to any recruits?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:35:00 PM)
I think kids were impressed with what they saw. This next 7-10 days will be huge. The coaches need to hit the road, press the flesh and schedule some visits. The clock is ticking.

PigMan (Nov 23, 2005 1:35:03 PM)
Any chance Justin Boren changes his mind?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:35:21 PM)
No, he's a Wolverine. Great kid, I wish him the best (except against one team).

PigMan (Nov 23, 2005 1:35:32 PM)
Realistically, which recruits will commit to OSU during the Army All-Star game?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:36:12 PM)
Probably Rob Rose and Ray Small (if he somehow snags a late invite). There are others to announce there like Wallace and Ausberry, but OSU only has a 30 percent chance at best against some other great schools.

Guest (Nov 23, 2005 1:36:16 PM)
How do you think next years game in Austin will fare?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:36:35 PM)
Buckeye Boss asks about next year's game in Austin ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:36:46 PM)
Just guessing today ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:37:06 PM)
If Vince Young plays, probably 31-24 Texas in a great shootout ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:37:25 PM)
If he leaves, Ohio State on the experience gained at UM, wins 27-24

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:39:46 PM)
One sec, sorry

redondo (Nov 23, 2005 1:39:49 PM)
Hi Steve - I think USC wins the tiebreaker if it loses to UCLA, however, I think the resutl is the same from the Buckeye point of view. The BCS would then almost have to make room for a 1-loss UCLA team that beat USC.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:41:34 PM)
Maybe in a three-way tie with Oregon, USC would prevail. Not sure if UCLA played Oregon (obviously they did not, because UCLA's loss was to Arizona). So the head to head win over USC would not be enough for UCLA. Maybe they go to better overall record or higher ranking or who's been there most recently. I don't know. Each conference is different. But making at-large space for USC and/or Texas would ace Ohio State out to the Cap One.

Palmer (Nov 23, 2005 1:41:43 PM)
Steve, if you can, talk about the progress some of the red shirts have made this year. Also, what is the status of D'Andrea's knee? and last, I heard shoenhoft has been tearing it up in practice, any thoughts, thanks

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:43:10 PM)
Progress of the redshirts ... we have not gotten many updates like that. We get almost no time with the assistants. We did hear the same that Schoenhoft has shown quite a bit. He has taken over the scout team and Boeckman rarely ventures down there. D'Andrea is out for now, not sure if he'll participate in bowl practice or the game. I'd say not. They may have decided he just needs to rest it until the spring and try and take a run then ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:43:53 PM)
I think he and OSU fans need to prepare for the very real possibility that he may never again be 100 percent. Really been a sad story for him.

redondo (Nov 23, 2005 1:44:03 PM)
Hi Steve - If you were Bobby Carpenter and could get clearance to play in the bowl game, would you?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:45:01 PM)
If I could be assured I can do no more damage, yeah, I'd like to get my face on national TV and have the announcers discuss what happened to me and boost my stock. But if they say, it needs repaired and rehabbed or you won't be ready for the combine, that decision is easy. He's given more than he needed to already, right?

Seabus (Nov 23, 2005 1:45:37 PM)
Steve, happy thanksgiving first of all. From the context of the latest win against Michigan, has there ever been a time in the modern age of The Game where Ohio State has enjoyed such success?? When Coach Carr does step down, who would you envision as potential replacements? Any hot coaches out there with Michigan ties?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:46:33 PM)
Probably Archie, when they were 3-0-1 from 72-75 ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:48:11 PM)
I am sure there would be somebody out there with some Michigan ties who'd be a good fit. Cam Cameron was a hot name until that disastrous Indiana run. I really don't follow it closely enough to say who they would look at next.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:48:32 PM)
Pat Hill at Fresno has to be on a lot of lists. He could go to K-State and take over the Big 12 North.

jsbuckeye (Nov 23, 2005 1:48:40 PM)
What do think about the post game snub Lloyd Carr seemed to give Tressel, never said a word just a quick hand shake...he seems like a poor loser.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:49:39 PM)
Yeah, lot of speculation about that. I think that's Carr still being mad at OSU and Tressel over the dogs the year before, his frustration of losing for the fourth time in five years, everything just added up. Just not a very classy move to not stop and shake the man's hand the proper way ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:49:56 PM)
Had to love Tressel smacking him on the butt as if to say, "Keep your head up, Babes."

PigMan (Nov 23, 2005 1:50:05 PM)
Any idea when a final decision will be made on Thaddeus Gibson? Is he definately out of the picture or will the coaches wait until his first semester grades are in?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:51:07 PM)
I think you may be on to something. The coaches will get out into the field in the next couple of weeks and check transcripts, talk to teachers and get the proper read on where things are heading academically with Gibson and other key prospects. Hopefully, he will wait for Ohio State to grant him admissions consideration. He may not want to wait around.

osupep (Nov 23, 2005 1:51:14 PM)
How does the Matthews receiver from FL qualify for scUM, but not OSU? It seems as if we are losing out on some great potential by always having to play the academic waiting game. This same scenario could come back to haunt us with Gibson as well. Is this policy being pushed down from Adolf Holbrook?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:52:30 PM)
Because OSU's standards for admissions are stricter than the NCAA minimums. They are looking for "more" (better class rank, etc.). I am not sure who or where dictated this. It has become more of an issue since her arrival. She has given admissions a blank check, it seems, to raise standards. I'm on the fence on this one ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:53:05 PM)
It's great to aspire to be as good as you can be. But I don't know how you can get a full appreciation of someone's worthiness from GPA, test score, class rank and whatever else they are using.

PigMan (Nov 23, 2005 1:53:11 PM)
Have you heard any rumors about coaches leaving this off season?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:53:57 PM)
Nope, no rumors to that effect. If somebody comes along and offers Hazell a chance to be a coordinator, maybe he bites. Ditto for Beckman. Others are here for good or they are OSU legacies (Fickell and Peterson) who may outlast Esco's record.

Seabus (Nov 23, 2005 1:54:08 PM)
Steve, I was at the Big House last weekend and was very impressed with Marcel Frost. Catching the ball but more from a blocking standpoint. He drove Alan Branch 10 yards back on multiple occasions and even pancaked him once. With his emergence, Rehring, Boone, Barton, etc do you envision the Buckeyes becoming a more run based offense next year?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:54:51 PM)
And they'll have the RBs to do it with Pittman, Wells, Haw and Wells. Yeah, I think they'll get back to the way they want to play. They will want to control clock and keep the ball away and protect their young defense.

wvbuckeye (Nov 23, 2005 1:54:59 PM)
Do you think Justin Zwick will wind up transferring?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:55:40 PM)
Tough question ... I think he likes being at Ohio State and everything that goes with it. But if he has serious aspirations of playing anywhere professionally, he needs to get out and get some live snaps somewhere.

broch (Nov 23, 2005 1:55:44 PM)
What are the chances Ginn goes both ways next year?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:56:03 PM)
Interesting, especially if Youboty jumps. No need if Youboty and Jenkins are back and healthy, though.

jsbuckeye (Nov 23, 2005 1:56:07 PM)
What do you think about Pittman only getting honorable mention in all big ten selections I thought he would at least get 2nd team.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:56:29 PM)
That's a freaking joke. He was snubbed for Albert Young and Tyrell Sutton. Absolutely ridiculous.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:56:34 PM)
It's more than a numbers race.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:57:07 PM)
He was as important as just about anybody in them winning the Big Ten. Can't say the same for Maroney, Calhoun, Sutton or Young. 'Nuff said.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:57:15 PM)
OSU did get a lot of love overall, tho.

PigMan (Nov 23, 2005 1:57:22 PM)
In your opinion, who is the next kid to commit and when will that be?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:58:17 PM)
Maybe Dexter Larimore on his OSU visit. I think Mooney's Derrell Johnson would like in as well. I think he would verbal when/if he is offered.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:59:03 PM)
For those enjoying the free trial, I do these every week. So does Gary Housteau. Bill Conley, Dave Biddle, Kyle Lamb and Duane Long also do Chats once or twice a month. Membership has its privileges ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 1:59:08 PM)
Now, on with the countdown ...

Palmer (Nov 23, 2005 1:59:11 PM)
Steve, who do you feel is in line to replace holmes? I like Dukes, your thoughts?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:00:04 PM)
The spring will determine that. Hazell and Tressel will select the receiver(s) who display the most consistency when it comes to route running, catching and blocking. I would think Roy Hall would get the first call at SE, then Dukes, Robiskie and whoever else.

brutustheoes (Nov 23, 2005 2:00:08 PM)
what do things look like for next year?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:00:12 PM)
Great question ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:00:43 PM)
Things stack up nicely with PSU and UM at home. If there is any justice, that PSU game would be at night. OSU hasn't hosted a night Big Ten game since NW in 2001 ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:01:21 PM)
The game at Texas is rough, especially if Young is the QB. The game at Iowa is also a toughie, perhaps. I'm saying 9-2 and 7-1 (where have I heard that) and probably the Rose Bowl.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:01:50 PM)
Far too many holes to fill on defense to expect an unbeaten season, but the offense could be lights out -- 35 points, 450 yards per game.

bump07 (Nov 23, 2005 2:01:58 PM)
Steve, suffering here on Tobacco Road for good insight. Probably covered already but do you see the win up north helping with some of the big OOS prospects?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:03:45 PM)
Yeah, I think this helps them with some of the key OOS guys they are recruiting like Ryan Hill, Dexter Larimore, David Ausberry, A.J. Wallace, Bryan Thomas, Navorro Bowman, etc. Would be great to see some new top-50 names creep on the list and take visits as well.

Palmer (Nov 23, 2005 2:03:58 PM)
Steve, do you see Laurinitas, freeman, and homan ever being as fast as carpentar and hawk? I think with the help of butch reynolds and the strength and conditioning coach they could be

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:04:58 PM)
Good point, the thing I hear in doing a story on Reynolds for an upcoming magazine is they want to see what impact he has starting in January. He came on board last May and only had 3 months to work with the guys. He has their attention. He has credibility. Ginn and others believe he has helped them.

TexasBuckeye (Nov 23, 2005 2:05:05 PM)
If indeed Mike D. is not able to make it back because of injury (and we definiteily hope he makes it back) talk a little bit about the linebacker situation for next year and replacing all three starters from this year.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:05:14 PM)
Yeah, it's scary, to be honest ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:05:55 PM)
There is some depth when you talk about Laurinaitis, Hoobler, Freeman, Terry, Spitler, Homan, Kerr and possibly D'Andrea, maybe Lenix. ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:07:35 PM)
My guess today would be Hoobler inside with Freeman and Laurinaitis outside and Kerr filling in as need be. Homan and Moeller will join in but I'd think they would RS if possible as freshmen.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:07:57 PM)
They need Freeman to be healthy and come through. He is an athlete with few peers.

Minnesota Buckeye II (Nov 23, 2005 2:08:01 PM)
Steve...this may have been covered...late to the party...any behind the scenes gossip on where the Buckeyes go bowling? Oregon's push for the Fiesta...could it happen? And does the Orange opt for PSU or OSU with their selection?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:09:44 PM)
The Big Ten and Gene Smith will push every bit as hard for that Fiesta Bowl as Oregon will. I think OSU has the edge. The Fiesta people know the power of OSU, so does the network. Oregon just does not have that cache. Sorry. Anything could happen, I guess. But the BCS was created to have one-of-a-kind match-ups. If Oregon wanted to be assured of a BCS bid, they needed to win all their games. Life ain't fair sometimes. ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:10:40 PM)
I think the Big Ten will encourage the Orange to take Penn State first over OSU. That is only fair and right. PSU will travel (I understand they have the same travel package we have and have sold several hundred already on spec) and that is a GREAT story with Paterno.

PigMan (Nov 23, 2005 2:10:49 PM)
I took Tressel's but smack to mean "Nice game Lloyd. Now get off my field!"

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:12:18 PM)
If you really want to enjoy yourself, go over to the Michigan boards. One fan said it made him sick to see OSU celebrating on their field and the OSU fans yipping and yelling after the game. One OSU guy, I guess, went to the top row after the game as people were filing out and yelled down to the UM fans, "Get out of here ... because we OWN this MF'er now!" How priceless is that.

Guest (Nov 23, 2005 2:12:32 PM)
is freeman the next great linebacker at osu?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:12:47 PM)
theybeat ... asks about Freeman being the next great LB at OSU ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:12:53 PM)
Yeah, if he stays healthy.

osupep (Nov 23, 2005 2:13:00 PM)
What position do you think Ballard ends up at? When do you think he will start to contribute?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:14:01 PM)
The only TEs they have are Frost, Nicol and Brandon Smith. My guess is he comes in there next year, but could develop into an OT. You don't want to see him fall into the R.J. Coleman trap of moving back and forth and never getting to play.

TBDBUCKEYEITL (Nov 23, 2005 2:16:14 PM)
Steve, What is Tressel's Current contract situation and relationship with AD Smith? Since hhe has a mastery over Michigan, Do you for see an extension anytime soon?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:16:42 PM)
He got his most recent renewal after the NC season in June 2003. It took him through the 2008 season. I think with Clarett-gate ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:18:04 PM)
They never wanted to go any farther until that all shook out. There is a clause in there that the parties can mutually agree on another 3 years by March 1, 2006, so look for those talks to heat up between now and then. Next chance we get, we will ask the coach where that stands. I think Gene Smith likes it that they just beat Michigan and are probably headed to a third BCS bowl in 4 years. Status quo looks good right now.

Palmer (Nov 23, 2005 2:18:19 PM)
Is Cordle as good as everyone is making him out to be? Playing the center position is more than just snapping and blocking, he has to beable to call out the blocking assignments. I hope he is that good

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:19:20 PM)
Good question, again, he must pass the test of time over 15 spring practices. If it doesn't work, the ready made solution is Rehring and Downing at guard, Barton and Boone at tackle and Datish at center. But they are excited about Cordle. He was going to play as a true freshman. They talked him out of RS before he got hurt,.

bump07 (Nov 23, 2005 2:19:35 PM)
Steve, OSU seems to have gained some ground with higher quality receiver prospects, if the Bucks go back to "4 yards and..." do we hurt ourselves with the Smalls an Ausberry's of the world?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:20:14 PM)
No, they'll be fine. Recruits will understand the whys and wherefors. The biggest thing is winning and putting dudes in the league. I think that's where Jenkins and Gamble are and where Holmes will be soon enough.

dyt (Nov 23, 2005 2:20:19 PM)
Was it me or was there not much of Jenkins out on the field against tsun? I missed the first half, but I don't remember seeing him at all.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:21:07 PM)
I think he was hurt the last 2 weeks. They didn't need him or want to risk it. I thought Everett played great. The PI call in the end zone on him was a freaking gift. The one on Youboty was obvious, though. Hey, I call them like I see them.

brutustheoes (Nov 23, 2005 2:21:10 PM)
Where does this last four year run rank in OSU history?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:22:06 PM)
Probably with the Kern 3-year run and Archie 4-year run and maybe with 1993-96 and 1995-98. Those are the ones that stand out. I have not crunched the numbers to see who had the higher winning percentage, more wins, more Big Tens. Hard to beat Archie with 4 Rose Bowls.

TBDBUCKEYEITL (Nov 23, 2005 2:22:16 PM)
Could you compare Chris Wells to Clarett in terms of running style. Do you think Wells can make the type of impact that Clarett did?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:23:59 PM)
Clarett has a lower center of gravity. Runs a little bit lower to the ground and can punish. He can hit top speed very quickly. I think Wells runs more straight up and is every bit as punishing. I think Clarett faced harder competition in high school. That may have prepared him better for OSU, but Wells has a Division I body straight out of the box. Great thing is he is not being seen as the savior any more with a 1200-yard rusher coming back in Pitt. He can learn and gradually take over.

PigMan (Nov 23, 2005 2:24:09 PM)
Speaking of Lenix, what is going on with him?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:24:47 PM)
Still at Tri-C. I assume when his session is over in Dec. he will submit new paperwork to OSU and they'll make a new call on admissions. Probably won't get a decision until Dec. 20 or so.

TBDBUCKEYEITL (Nov 23, 2005 2:24:56 PM)
Im sure its been asked what do you think our chances are in the Feista or Orange Citrus???

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:25:48 PM)
If they're in the BCS, it should be Fiesta. I think OSU is about a 60 percent lock to play ND. They do not need any upsets by USC or Texas. That would knock OSU out. I am completely dismissing Oregon out of hand ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:25:55 PM)
I don't want to get off on a rant here ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:26:55 PM)
But if they take Oregon over Ohio State, they will be completely dismiss schedule strength and penalize OSU for playing Texas -- a game every true football fan from Miami to Seattle enjoyed. That would be heinous, IMHO. Oregon played Houston, Montana and Fresno State, for goodness sake. ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:27:46 PM)
I think 60 percent Fiesta, 25 percent Cap One, 15 percent Orange (fewer scenarios make that happen than Cap One, likely).

Palmer (Nov 23, 2005 2:27:52 PM)
you think McCoy is regretting his decision based on whats happened at Tennessee? What about pierre woods and crable at michigan?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:28:22 PM)
Yep, they messed up. Of course, I'm not sure who McCoy or Crable would play in front of at Ohio State. Woods could have been a star at DE-deprived OSU.

OSU93 (Nov 23, 2005 2:28:34 PM)
I had to laugh when I read that John Junker (President of Fiesta Bowl) was an Ohio native as well as the current chair of the Catholic Diocese of Phoenix Charitable Organization....this has to bode well for OSU/ND matchup.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:29:22 PM)
Yep, that has to help. Plus Gene Smith just came from ASU and knows everybody on the bowl committee by heart since they used his stadium to stage their game. His best bet is move back to Tempe for the next 2 weeks and just stake out their lobby.

bump07 (Nov 23, 2005 2:29:36 PM)
Steve, since OSU has scheduled "heavies" in the upcoming years instead of the acadamies like ND has, shouldn't that be a bigger recruiting tool? I don't hear alot of the prospects saying anything about wanting to be at OSU for those kinds of matchups.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:30:20 PM)
It's something that is mentioned but not so much that it is a "deciding factor." Hey, ND plays some great name schools every year, too. But, yes, OSU's future slates with Texas, Washington, USC, Miami, VT, Cal and others speak for themselves.

TBDBUCKEYEITL (Nov 23, 2005 2:30:32 PM)
I have not yet received my December issue of Bucknuts the Magazine? Will you have a large article and pictures over the Michigan game in January issue???

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:31:18 PM)
Everybody should have the Dec. issue (Dials and Davenport) on the cover. If you don't see it in next several days, call the Scout call center or shoot me an EZBox ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:32:29 PM)
I wish we had a chance to run a big spread on that game in the mag. The deadline was Nov. 15. We were able to hold one story for the issue as a season recap. No game coverage, really. That's not what the mag is about anyway. We have to turn it in 3-4 weeks before you see it, so it has to be all timeless material pretty much.

TBDBUCKEYEITL (Nov 23, 2005 2:32:43 PM)
How do you think the Buckeyes would respond in the Citrus Bowl against an SEC team if snubbed by the BCS? It would be nice to beat an SEC team.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:33:32 PM)
Agreed, could take some magic to get them back up to play an SEC team, even if it's Auburn, Alabama, Georgia or LSU. OSU is 0-fer against the SEC down in those Fla. bowls ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:33:40 PM)
Let's hope it does not come down to that.

TexasBuckeye (Nov 23, 2005 2:34:21 PM)
Can you talk a bit about the kicking and punting game with Huston leaving now. How do those facets of the game look in 06?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:34:58 PM)
Huston says Pettrey is the real deal. Pretorius matched Huston almost kick for kick in the preseason. I think they have options. Trapasso has 3 years left, he seems like a keeper to me.

spout (Nov 23, 2005 2:35:08 PM)
Steve, late to chat. Thanks for the time.Who will be red shirted this year? A.Russell,Hartline,Amos,Robiskie,etc...?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:36:14 PM)
The redshirts this year would be Schoenhoft, Hartline, Amos, Cordle, Worthington, Williams, Denlinger, Spitler, Russell, Washington and Pettrey. Plus, Freeman is RS and will be a soph again next year. I think that's it.

Palmer (Nov 23, 2005 2:36:31 PM)
Steve, what do you think about renaming Columbus to "Buckeye City?!" smile

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:36:43 PM)
Yep, people here are pretty excited about what's happened.

TBDBUCKEYEITL (Nov 23, 2005 2:36:45 PM)
Is the "new" admission policy becoming to strigent in the recruiting process, and costing tOSU on some good football and basketball talent?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:37:46 PM)
Well, 2 ways to look at it -- yeah, it may cost you 2-4 high end difference maker athletes (like ND experienced from about 1993 on). Or you just work harder and find the kids that meet the standards and can also play. They're out there you just have to find them. There are sweeping changes coming across the NCAA landscape ...

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:39:24 PM)
If you take a kid and he flunks out and can't be eligible, that can count against you and lead to loss of scholarships and bowl opps. The short-term idea is they can't take this great LB from Cleveland. The bigger picture is they are raising standards to match the school's profile for the future and to aid compliance with stricter NCAA guidelines tied to the APR, etc.

wvbuckeye (Nov 23, 2005 2:39:29 PM)
Do you think Notre Dame will contend most of the time for a national title with Charlie Weis there,and if so, will it be hard to keep ohio recruits in ohio?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:40:21 PM)
Yes, Weis will have them in the hunt. It's being shown that as long as he has a quality QB and adequate defense he will win football games. Not so sure they're going to "out-recruit" OSU in Ohio. The one guy they got that OSU wanted was the DB from Mooney last year.

redondo (Nov 23, 2005 2:40:31 PM)
Hi Steve - The "Kern" three year run in 1968 saw the Buckeyes lose twice. Once in '69 to UM and once in '70 (actually '71) in the Rose Bowl to Stanford. So two losses in three years, but don't forget, they played fewer games in those years. And, in 1969 they did not go to a bowl because there was a no-repeat rule in the Big Ten and there were far fewer bowl games to go to. Also, at the end of the '67 season, the Buckeyes won in Ann Arbor on the back of Jim Otis. So, there were wins against UM in three of four years in '67 through '70.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:40:53 PM)
Yep, that was a great period, no doubt.

TBDBUCKEYEITL (Nov 23, 2005 2:40:57 PM)
After the Texas and Pennst. games there was alot of people who wanted a new offensive coordinator. Did JT weather that storm, Do you see any changes in the current staff?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:41:16 PM)
Yes, they weathered that storm. Now they don't want to regress to start 2006 like they did to start 2005.

bump07 (Nov 23, 2005 2:41:25 PM)
Steve, Thanks alot for the chat today, as I mentioned earlier I'm here in Raleigh and of course basketball will always be king on Tobacco Road. It is great to see your chats and finally participate in one. You guys do a bang up job vs. the other national site. Please keep it up. Go BUCKS!

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:43:42 PM)
Well, we try. The difference is this is the focus of our business. The Internet is here and now. You want the news now, you demand it now. We may not always be first, but you know we will have something to say sooner rather than later. You can't say that about every college fan site. And our staff is pretty good with Dave Biddle, Gary Housteau, Duane Long, Bill Greene, Kyle Lamb, webmaster Kirk and the rest. We have a major announcement coming on Monday as well.

TBDBUCKEYEITL (Nov 23, 2005 2:43:47 PM)
Do you have any updates on the Bucknuts Website now that Fox Sports is a partner? What changes shpuld we look for?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:44:19 PM)
They are going real slow, especially with us. We want to know, too. Let's just say that. I don't think we're Fox's highest priority.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:44:36 PM)
But that's how big business goes sometimes.

TBDBUCKEYEITL (Nov 23, 2005 2:44:39 PM)
Any hints on the announce ment you alluded to earlier in the chat?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:44:48 PM)
Nope, it will be out on Monday if all goes well.

PigMan (Nov 23, 2005 2:44:53 PM)
Who will be OSU's #1 in state target for next year and what are our chances with him?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:45:48 PM)
Well, given their struggles getting to opposing QBs with the front 4 (Carpenter became the difference there), if they don't make LaSalle's Ben Martin one of their top targets, then we don't know what we're doing.

bucks8todd (Nov 23, 2005 2:45:53 PM)
Steve, can I have your job?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:46:03 PM)
On some days it is pretty cool ... like last Sat.

whistler (Nov 23, 2005 2:46:09 PM)
I came in late. Excuse me if this was asked. But if we can find a way to get freddie here. why can't we make the same sacrifices for Gibson. And also why aren't we pushing for marc johnson from cali. He seems very interested in us and playing some where oos.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:46:37 PM)
Things change once somebody enrolls at a college and shows they can handle college academic work. That's the difference between Lenix and Gibson.

TBDBUCKEYEITL (Nov 23, 2005 2:46:42 PM)
Steve how long do you think the incoming basketball class will stay together? Do you think Oden and Conley will be one and done at tOSU?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:46:57 PM)
My guesses: Oden 1 year, Cook 2 years, Lighty and Conley 3-4 years.

whistler (Nov 23, 2005 2:47:03 PM)
I'm one who is excited for c.wells to get here. But whose to say he'll be thrown right in the two deep spot. The staff obviously likes m.wells and Haw is more than capabile of being a go to guy. And maybe he'll be one after another year of being in the system and maturing with it.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:47:37 PM)
True, it helps that Chris Wells should enroll in April for spring ball. That will help his cause immensely to get on the field next fall. The best guys will play.

Minnesota Buckeye II (Nov 23, 2005 2:47:50 PM)
Steve...one last thought regarding the Bowls...if the Fiesta takes PSU first (unlikely but possible)...and the Orange takes ND...doesn't that pretty much put us out of the BCS Bowl picture? Because the Fiesta will not pick us to play PSU (again)...but likely have to opt for Oregon.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:48:09 PM)
Yeah, that isn't going to happen. The Fiesta covets ND. They're hot as a firecracker right now.

Palmer (Nov 23, 2005 2:48:19 PM)
Steve, we look pretty thin at the safety position, your thoughts?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:48:54 PM)
If Whitner stays, you have Whitner, Mitchell, Lukens, Nick patterson, Russell, Washington and O'Neal, plus they're adding Schwartz.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:49:00 PM)
I think they're fine there.

bucks8todd (Nov 23, 2005 2:49:11 PM)
I am hearing we are done at OL. This was supposed to be the year of OL recruits in Oh. Why suddenly the change of plans. Is it just because we lost some of the ones we wanted

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:49:36 PM)
Oh, I think they still take Browning and will take one more push at Joe Thomas. That may mean what they say when they're done at OL.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:49:43 PM)
After those 2 guys, they're done.

NYCBucks (Nov 23, 2005 2:49:50 PM)
Got here late...I am a huge Bucks fan but do not understand why everyone thinks Youboty is in the same class as past OSU DBs. He has gotten beat deep in every big game we have played this year. Do you think he is still considering leaving early. I just don't see it.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:50:55 PM)
He had rough days against Minnesota and Michigan. But even in those games he made great plays that prevented even more points. Plus, he is a good to great run support player. You're going to get beat from time to time. I think he needs one more year, though.

spout (Nov 23, 2005 2:51:01 PM)
Steve,We don't JUCO hardly ever-if ever. Admissions?Program?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:51:09 PM)
May be a coaching preference, I dunno.

TBDBUCKEYEITL (Nov 23, 2005 2:51:15 PM)
Do you think football is still king at ohio state amongst the Bucknuts fans? Do you see basketball at ohio state growoing in terms of populartiy and will it ever match that of football?

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:52:08 PM)
No, it's a football school. If OSU is consistently in the running for the Big Ten and the Final Four in men's bkb, it will take on a fever pitch. It did in 1999, I know that. But they need to sustain it. It's a football school, but there can be success in both, no question.

bucks8todd (Nov 23, 2005 2:52:20 PM)
Is this Moeller kid the real deal? What have you heard about this kid.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:52:42 PM)
Great athlete, runs well, need to see what direction his body takes over the next 2 years to see where he fits in.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:53:00 PM)
One hour and 45 minutes later, the last question/observation ...

whistler (Nov 23, 2005 2:53:03 PM)
with the speed m. wells has and pittman's running ability and c.wells entering the picture. Why don't we us maurice more like a reggie bush. Put him out in the slot, throw quick passes and get him in space or motion him from the slot to a two back pro-set with pittman in. I believe as a coaching staff you have to find more creative unique ways to utilize your players talent and get all the threats on the field at the same time.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:53:34 PM)
Agreed, especially this year, Mo wells needed to get his feet wet making plays on the perimeter, screens, etc. He wasn't going to get anything done inside.

bucks8todd (Nov 23, 2005 2:53:38 PM)
Is ginn overrated? Is ray small on the same talent level as the rest of the Tarblooders

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:54:07 PM)
No, Ginn is not overrated. Small had at least 12 TDs as a senior. He is a difference maker. The OSU coaches had him in camp and Hazell, I believe, loves him.

NYCBucks (Nov 23, 2005 2:54:10 PM)
Interesting that ESPN came out with their All-Freshman offense today. Boone made it one the O Line! But the QB from W. Michigan and Sutton also made it. Frustrating to see talent succeed anywhere other than in their home state school.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:54:34 PM)
Good for Boone. Great that they recognized him. He played well while he was in there.

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:54:38 PM)
Gotta run!

SteveHelwagen (Nov 23, 2005 2:55:12 PM)
For the first timers, like I said, we do this every week. Membership has its privileges. Plus, Gary usually does it every week and Duane, Kyle, Bill Conley and others are sporadic.

Guest (Nov 23, 2005 2:55:15 PM)
Thanks for the time!

broch (Nov 23, 2005 2:55:17 PM)
thanks Steve

NYCBucks (Nov 23, 2005 2:55:20 PM)
Thanks Steve

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