Helwagen Chat: Dec. 2 Archive

Here are excerpts from Friday's Chat session with Bucknuts.com managing editor Steve Helwagen. He conducts these Chat sessions each week for Bucknuts.com subscribers.

JimC (Dec 2, 2005 1:08:11 PM)
Hi Steve, Who is this new TE?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:13:51 PM)
He is Andy Miller from Washington Trinity HS, goes 6-7 and 255 pounds, looks like OSU has offered. He plans visits to Indiana, WVU and Ohio State over the next 2 weeks. Intriguing prospect, would be viewed as a blocker, had 11 catches this year.

PigMan (Dec 2, 2005 1:13:57 PM)
What's the word on Bowman? Is he a Buckeye?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:15:05 PM)
I can't get a proper read on that. I think he sees an opportunity to play right away at Ohio State. That works in OSU's favor. But nothing would surprise me when he announces next Thursday. I have no inside info to indicate where he is leaning. We shall see soon enough.

yo (Dec 2, 2005 1:15:19 PM)
i still concerned with number of recruits comeing in for offical visits. This is a big weekend but it filled with player already comitted or will commit like small rose and browning...i still do not understand it. This is Ohio State, why are we not gettign a list like USC has this weekend?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:16:38 PM)
A lot of factors in play, number of spots remaining, academic climate and, honestly, just the sheer volume of players being called. The numbers are down for some reason. But there aren't that many spots left, maybe just 10. Larimore and the Glenville 3 take that down to six. I think they'll be fine ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:17:22 PM)
Bowman, if he picks OSU, would make it five. Great to see Larimore, Hill, Adjepong and Thomas in this weekend.

PigMan (Dec 2, 2005 1:17:31 PM)
Steve, who are the last three recruits you have personally spoken with and what did they tell you that you are allowed to repeat?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:18:46 PM)
This week, I interviewed Henton, Homan and Small. I pretty much published everything they said. Henton and Homan are obviously already verbaled. I thought there were great stories there for those guys going for titles. Homan said he plans to enroll in January and dive right in. Henton said he can not enroll early because of classes he needs. ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:19:19 PM)
Small was originally going to visit 12/9, but they bumped it up to 12/2. He needs to still work on his test score, but I think he should be fine.

presblfc (Dec 2, 2005 1:19:31 PM)
Steve, does the hiring of nevadabuck signal a strong move towards even more free agent signings such as Bill Greene and cdiddy? lol

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:20:00 PM)
We already own the rights to Bill Greene. We are not in the running for cdiddy, though. He is a perpetual free agent.

edbuck51 (Dec 2, 2005 1:20:11 PM)
Are you predicting any upsets this weekend which would send the bowl committees in a tizzie? Do you think the bowl assignments are already decided if USC, Texas, LSU and VT win? I look for Georgia to put it on LSU.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:21:13 PM)
Earlier this week everything seemed to be locked in place. But then you hear rumblings from Junker that they may not be as enamored with a third OSU trip to Tempe and that the Orange might take OSU over PSU when it's time comes. I played out all of the scenarios in Buckeye Grove. ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:22:53 PM)
I think UCLA could give USC a great game, but the Trojans probably win their seventh in a row over the hated Bruins. No way Colorado or FSU win this weekend. They are both terrible. I picked LSU -- they humbled Ga. in this game 2 years ago I believe. But Georgia could certainly win it. ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:23:38 PM)
This is kind of like the question on Navorro Bowman. We've talked it out. The decision will be here in 2 days. Just hold on tight. I know a lot of people will be scrambling to change or cancel reservations if it ain't the Fiesta.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:23:47 PM)
And not to toot our horn, but ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:24:32 PM)
if it is OSU-ND at the Fiesta, you probably won't be able to piece together a trip any cheaper than the one we have already on sale. Airfare alone will be $500 or more. The routes have already been bought up, it seems.

PigMan (Dec 2, 2005 1:24:38 PM)
I was reading about Carr's visit with Larimore and was interested in his dad's quote " Dexter held his ground about taking his last Official Visit to Ohio State. We leave Friday morning for that visit." Did you get the impression that Carr was on his knees pleading with Dexter not to go to Columbus?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:26:31 PM)
Yes, that's what it sounds like if that's what the dad said. I did not see that report. Chris Pool had it in Hot News, I guess. Carr gets his share of guys. His record as a recruiter is proven. But I think Dexter really likes Ohio State. I would not call him a done deal. We'll see what happens.

redondo (Dec 2, 2005 1:26:58 PM)
Hi Steve - More venting over TV coverage on the West Coost by me. Two weeks ago we had to have childrens programming at 10:00 a.m. instead of the ABC feed for the OSU-Mich game, or so we are told by ABC. Curiously, tomorrow's Big XII championship game at 10:00 a.m. is going to come thorugh on ABC just fine. I guess the perceived importance of the game must have something to do with just how much religion ABC has over its children's programming. Could you talk to your contacts at ABC and help them understand that we all know the children's programming excuse is a red herring and at least come up with something better next time? thank you.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:28:18 PM)
Ha ha. There are FCC rules about it. I just think they did not see OSU-UM having national cache to clear those 4 states. But they at least had the good sense to make it available on ESPN. They went so far that they sent different announcers to cover the game for those 4 states. That's amazing to me.

Jamie23 (Dec 2, 2005 1:28:32 PM)
Steve, what do you know about the DL we're looking at esp other than Larrimore? I've heard a lot of discussion on Larrimore and I hope we get him, but what about Dublin, Dekle, Paris, Adjepong, and Makenzie Matthews? BTW, is cdiddy the TO of the free agency mkt?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:30:22 PM)
On cdiddy first, he certainly makes that board interesting, huh ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:33:07 PM)
OK, my call list includes Dekle, Troutman (viisting PSU this weekend), Larimore, Adjepong (both at OSU this weekend), Rose (ditto), Bryant Miller, Matthews (Pitt this weekend), Dublin, Wesley and Paris. Those are probably the main names at this point. Dekle says he loves OSU but doesn't have a confirmed visit date yet -- at least one I know about. Ditto for Dublin, Miller and Troutman. Have to like their chances with Rose. Paris may not have an offer yet. He visits Ky. this weekend. If they can get Rose, Larimore and maybe one more impact end and/or an impact DT, I think they'll be in good shape.

BuckeyeGriz (Dec 2, 2005 1:33:18 PM)
Steve, to the subject of millions of BCS dollars, does the the Big Ten still divide $among all members? Does Notre Dame have any effect on those dollars? do any other conferences divide among their members?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:36:47 PM)
Yes, the Big Ten puts all of its bowl money in the pool. Each bowl team is allowed to deduct for reasonable bowl trip expenses (usually close to $1 million per team when travel, lodging, meals, etc. are factored in). BCS now has a provision where the second team from a conference in the BCS only gets about $5 million. The rest is evenly split elsewhere. ND will only get $5 million for BCS bids going forward. It gets the full $14 million this year. It means a lot to get that second team in there. No idea what other leagues do. I assume they share revenue in a similar way the Big Ten does.

eastcoastbuck (Dec 2, 2005 1:36:54 PM)
Steve, I appreciate the time and effort that you put into this site. Will Larimore wear Scarlet and Gray?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:37:47 PM)
That was our impression as the week began, but that Hot News with the Carr visit indicates UM is also in the running. If he visits OSU and it doesn't happen right away, then it may be a battle.

redondo (Dec 2, 2005 1:37:56 PM)
Hi Steve - Will there be someone from Bucknuts on the scene when Bowman announces? Could you help me understand the policy Bucknuts has about attending these announcements? Does in-state vs. out of state matter? Just so you understand where I'm coming from, I use your (Bucknuts) decision about attending as a rough indicator of the direction of the announcement, no attendance = not a good sign. Thank you.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:39:57 PM)
No, we will not be traveling to Maryland for that. I assume we'll just watch on TV, like everybody else, report what we know and what we see and follow up afterwards with our own interview if it's OSU. It's not cost effective to send somebody to Maryland for that. The farthest I've gone is Indy for the Oden-Conley announcement. We'll do them in Ohio for key prospects. We had people at Aaron Brown and Lee Tilley's announcement because we also cover them for JJHuddle.com. So don't read anything into where we're at because we've been there when guys commit elsewhere ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:40:50 PM)
Some kids will not divulge ahead of time where they're going. I believe Gary was tipped off on one or more of the PA kids whose announcements he attended a couple years ago. But that is rare. They don't want to risk that the news will get out. It involves trust.

edbuck51 (Dec 2, 2005 1:42:38 PM)
We all love cdiddy. He sure does bring a lot of interest. Do you think AJ will win the Lott Award? We live in Newport Beach and can't figure out how to get tickets. Any suggestions short of joining the Pacific Club?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:43:43 PM)
Steubenville just defeated DeSales by the way in D-III, looks like maybe 28-7, can't tell exactly, great game and great moment for the Big Red.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:44:33 PM)
OK, yes, I think Hawk has to win every award he's up for -- except the Walter Camp, obviously. That tells me a lot that he's in the running for the Camp (similar to Heisman). He should win every defensive award he's in on: Butkus, Lott and Lombardi.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:45:00 PM)
I have decided, barring something unforseen this weekend, he will be on my Heisman ballot.

edbuck51 (Dec 2, 2005 1:45:03 PM)
What's your take on Joe Thomas?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:46:12 PM)
You hear a lot of things. I think he has some definite interest in Ohio State. Why else would he visit? Now we'll see if Bollman, Tressel and the players can sway him. This would be a GREAT recovery after missing out on Boren and Brown. I saw tape of him against Glenville and Massillon and I think No. 54 can play. He moves well for a big guy.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:46:38 PM)
I'd say 60-40 in favor of Pitt, but you have to get guys on campus to have a chance and he'll be on campus later today.

Buckeye V (Dec 2, 2005 1:47:00 PM)
Steve, I was at my weekly bowling night meeting and of course sporting some Buckeye gear when a fellow dropped his nephews name on me. He said his nephew was considering coming here to go to USF;. He is a junior, 6'2" 190lb. 4.1 40 QB, with an excellent academic record. Sounds good eh? His name is Ralph Beachum of northern California. Couldn't pry the high school out the uncle, but still have 25 weeks of bowling. GO BUCKEYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:48:32 PM)
Great, we'll keep our eyes and ears out for him. If the 4.1 is true, that would be amazing. Fastest football player I've heard of was Galloway with a 4.19. I am always skeptical of any 40 time much below 4.4. Experts in the field say those are just few and far between.

keato (Dec 2, 2005 1:48:41 PM)
Steve, is Nagy out or is OSU still in touch. I have brought this up before but this is a 4 star kid with great size and can play on either side of the ball. Lets hope everything falls into place and they find a spot for him.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:50:28 PM)
I heard an OSU coach was in his school this week. He is taking some other visits. He goes BC, Syracuse and Wisconsin the next 3 weeks. He also has offers from Illinois, Louisville, Md. and WVU. Maybe OSU will come back in (a la Robiskie) in January and make a late offer. Stay tuned. Earlier in the Chat, I went through a list of 10 DL OSU is looking at (I assume DL is where OSU might want him).

jamie85718 (Dec 2, 2005 1:50:39 PM)
In Bball, who's your fav for the B10? I think IU with DJ White coming back has the strongest frontcourt with He and Marco Killingsworth and their backcourt isn't too shabby. I'm all for OSU doing it this year, but can Dials stay healty? He has to b/c we really don't have another athlete like him down low do we?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:52:19 PM)
Most impressive in the challenge was probably Michigan over Miami, Indiana in defeat against Duke (that building was freaking rocking), OSU over VT (forgetting the first 17 minutes of the second half), Illinois over UNC. MSU, Wisconsin and Iowa are also tough. Will be hard if one of those six doesn't make the NCAA, but Big Ten should get at least six in the field this year. Great year for the conference, even if it doesn't have a true power team.

edbuck51 (Dec 2, 2005 1:52:42 PM)
When do the Buckeyes start bowl practice?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:53:42 PM)
Next Thursday as exams taper off. The Buckeyes will wrap up exams next week, then practice Dec. 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17, 19, 20. The team will be off from Dec. 21-25 and would depart for a Jan. 2 game on Dec. 26, or Dec. 27 for a Jan. 3 game.

Buckeye V (Dec 2, 2005 1:54:01 PM)
Carpenter bowl ready?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:54:24 PM)
He's going to try. The bowl would be one month from today. We will not for sure until they get to the bowl site, probably.

mackv (Dec 2, 2005 1:54:29 PM)
Big weekend. Loooks like C Wells will be here in attempt to close other prospects. Do you like this idea?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:55:19 PM)
Oh yeah, particularly with the OL Joe Thomas and the Glenville kids (he seems to be tight with some of those guys). At the camp, Wells worked Henton and he committed right afterwards. He is that kind of kid, great personality.

edbuck51 (Dec 2, 2005 1:55:27 PM)
When is the deadline for players declaring for the draft? Are you in the Whitner stay or Whitner go camp?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:56:02 PM)
It's usually a week after the bowls. Whitner should stay. He's going to go higher than Fox, a third rounder who had coverage experience?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:56:10 PM)
Maybe, I dunno.

wwt (Dec 2, 2005 1:56:25 PM)
As far as the networks are concerned, which school has the reputation of having a bigger crowd following for a bowl - ND or Ohio State?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:57:16 PM)
Probably Notre Dame. They are a national school. But of everybody else, Ohio State would be in the next 2 or 3.

edbuck51 (Dec 2, 2005 1:57:23 PM)
How did JT pull A. Tyree out of his hat for Michigan? Is that coaching genious or what? What doesn't JT get more love from the media? Stoops, Carrol, Weis, Meyer, yadda, yadda, yadda, and barely a peep about our man.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 1:58:42 PM)
We had heard Tyree had been coming on in recent weeks. They moved him to TE when Hamby went down. They didn't need him against NW or Illinois. They saved that wrinkle for the big game. Wow, what a move. He was in on the first series, where they set the tone, and the Pittman TD, where they won it ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:00:16 PM)
I can't explain it on Tressel. Nationally, he still has to work (unfairly, perhaps) to overcome the stigma of Clarett-gate. Let some time go by and that, like Reecie (apparently), will be forgotten. Locally, Tressel does a decent job with the media. He likes to tweak people, he short circuits questions he doesn't want to answer from time to time, but he is abundantly fair. That's about all you can ask for.

mackv (Dec 2, 2005 2:00:35 PM)
My son runs a 3.6 40 and is 6'9"

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:00:40 PM)
Sign him up.

edbuck51 (Dec 2, 2005 2:02:14 PM)
What's the word on M.Hartline and M.Schlicter? Things sure have changed on those two since this time last year. Is Hartline going to be Big Ten?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:04:09 PM)
Chris Pool just did an update on Hartline. His top 3 seemed to be Kentucky, Wisconsin and Illinois. But Illinois has a QB or 2, Wisconsin is in the coaching transition and Ky. also has some options at QB already. Schlichter, I honestly don't know. I think he'd excel at the MAC level. Maybe he walks on at a Big Ten school (smile ... no inside info there, though).

redondo (Dec 2, 2005 2:04:14 PM)
Hi Steve - Who sets the matchups for the ACC-Big Ten challenge? Could you walk us through how that happens? Obviously, ESPN wants competitive matchups, so, with OSU's talent fortunes on the upswing, I was just wondering who calibrates next year whish matchup is "competitive" for OSU?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:06:39 PM)
I assume each conference has an assistant commissioner who works in concert with someone from ESPN on setting up the match-ups. They want to match teams that are expected to contend with like teams in the other conference. Remember, OSU got Duke in 2002, when the Buckeyes went on and won the conference. ESPN is well aware of Oden and Conley. ESPN2 televises their game with Dunbar and Cook this Thursday, so you know they will be pushed to the hilt ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:07:46 PM)
At the same time, they try and have teams alternate between home and home every year. OSU hosted this year and so did UNC, so one of them would have to break that pattern for them to play next year. UNC next year at the Schott? Dukie V: Are you kidding, me!? ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:08:19 PM)
They have also used neutral sites like Chicago, Indy, Greensboro, Richmond, etc. They did not use any of those this year, though. ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:09:01 PM)
They have run the gamut of match-ups with this rotation. They may need to "start over" and jumble the hosts next year to get fresh match-ups like UNC-OSU or whatever.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:09:40 PM)
I said ACC would win 7-4, but Illinois surprised me and it was 6-5 instead. Great, great series with some great games. The Big Ten has some teams that can play with anybody, tho maybe not a No. 1 or No. 2-caliber team.

mackv (Dec 2, 2005 2:09:48 PM)
Did you see this tight end Miller from Pennsylvania? I hope we dont start offering lower level talent because of academics. Im all for admision standards but lets find a middle ground.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:10:02 PM)
That was the first question in this Chat exactly one hour ago (ha ha) ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:10:54 PM)
He goes 6-7 and 255 and must be a great blocker. Will visit IU, WVU and OSU over the next two weeks. Good for him. I don't know if I'd call that lower level talent.

mackv (Dec 2, 2005 2:11:59 PM)
The OOS guys are starting to materialize Hill, Bowman, Adjepong, Johnson, Larimore etc. Any educated guess on who we get from OOS?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:14:19 PM)
That would be a great 4 or 5, no doubt. I think Larimore looks good. A.J. Wallace may still be a good shot for them. I think we're still early with exactly 2 months to signing day. I have not heard a lot of guys say openly they favor OSU over others. So it would strictly be a guess. Bowman could start a nice finish for OSU this coming week. If they can get Rose and maybe Wallace or Ausberry at the A-A game that would be HUGE.

edbuck51 (Dec 2, 2005 2:14:39 PM)
Konrad Rueland seemed to just let OSU fall of his radar with no real reason given. Do you have a feel for why, or are we just to far away? Seems like R. Williams is poised to have a solid career here.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:17:04 PM)
It was not a good year for OSU to spotlight the TE. Hamby faltered early, then got hurt. Frost came on late. The 4-5 schools Reuland is looking at all have a better rep for spotlighting the TE. OSU's offense down the stretch was certainly an eye opener. But the other schools have a pedigree of using the TE over a series of years. Not a surprise to me that he dropped Ohio State, really, and not a knock on OSU, either. Agreed on Ryan Williams. With Kudla and Green gone and Pitcock leaving after next year, they need some impact DL to step up. Maybe Williams gets time though that progression.

Pavs38 (Dec 2, 2005 2:17:21 PM)
I know this is a sore subject.. but since Clarett has been cut from the Broncos.. where has he disappeared to? Is he going to pop up in the CFL or Arena Leagues?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:18:29 PM)
He has dropped off the radar. I heard he was training as a boxer. I honestly don't know. Sad, sad story. He could have won the Heisman maybe at OSU and named his price. But he could not play the game.

edbuck51 (Dec 2, 2005 2:18:42 PM)
All this excitement about M.Johnson just doesn't seem like it's going to materialize. Dorsey High School would be a tough place to prepare for the rigors of college academia. Los Angeles Unified School District has a 60% dropout rate. I'm not sure a 2.6 there is going to get you ready for big school.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:19:14 PM)
I think that's where Na'il Diggs was from. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not counting him out yet. Every case is different.

mackv (Dec 2, 2005 2:19:30 PM)
Do you like how ND has green jerseys? Duke has black? Lakers in white? Next year for the Mich. game OSU should break out a black jersey. Make it a night game. Sell a black t-shirt to fans and call it the black out. That would be ill. Money making machine, and recruits love stuff like that.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:19:34 PM)
Yeah ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:20:53 PM)
I know over the years there has been sentiment for OSU to wear an alternate jersey, maybe even black. But Ohio State has too much tradition with the scarlet at home to resort to a gimmick like that. There are things that schools like OSU and Michigan just won't do. Doubt you'll ever see OSU-Michigan as a night game, either.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:21:23 PM)
One associate AD didn't even like the hockey team breaking out black jerseys because it is not one of the school's colors.

edbuck51 (Dec 2, 2005 2:21:32 PM)
The LadyBucks are going to be in SoCal next Sunday against USC. Should I take the time to go see 'em?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:22:51 PM)
Yes, if you can. USC is 2-2 and ranked 25th. Ohio State is undefeated and No. 4. They have the potential to be awesome with Davenport and Merrill up front and Hoskins in the backcourt.

Pavs38 (Dec 2, 2005 2:22:59 PM)
Is there even a remote chance that we could end up playing PSU in a rematch? I would love to play them in a neutral field and stomp all over them

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:23:55 PM)
Doesn't seem likely. Only place it could be is the Fiesta because Orange and Sugar have anchor teams in place.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:24:20 PM)
OSU gets PSU in Cols. next year and all of the seniors from PSU will be gone then.

mackv (Dec 2, 2005 2:24:25 PM)
The schools/ teams i mentioned have as much if not more tradition than OSU. Times change.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:25:37 PM)
But the green has been a part of the ND lore over the years. They made that leap long ago. Times do change and I'm not necessarily against it. I just look at Ohio State and Michigan as these time-tested dinosaurs that rarely deviate from their tradition. They do things the same way every year, and that's how a majority of their fans seem to prefer it.

mackv (Dec 2, 2005 2:25:51 PM)
Celtics even wore those ugly alternate unis last week.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:26:20 PM)
Yep, some ideas aren't always good ones (ha ha).

mackv (Dec 2, 2005 2:26:24 PM)
Any chance Holmes pulls a Doss, sees the offensive talent and thinks they can win a National Champ and stays? Pipe dream i know.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:27:24 PM)
He is a leader in the same vein. He believes Ohio State is a big part of his identity, like Doss did. He is invested in what happens at OSU. This was not simply a weigh station on his way to the NFL. But he has given Ohio State 4 great years. Let him decide in peace, I say.

Heater (Dec 2, 2005 2:27:38 PM)
Gary told me to "save that question for the smart guys like Helwagen," so here it is: Our admissions standards for our football players seems to be higher than other schools in the conference. (We have passed on numerous 3-star, 4-star and 5-star recruits for grades.) I know that the NCAA is cracking down, but can you give an outline on how the soon-to-be new standards will effect schools that don't meet them? Also, any Big-10 schools you think might be in trouble with the new standards are in effect?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:29:49 PM)
I would agree with many who say ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:30:04 PM)
Ohio State was trying to be ahead of the curve with its decision to tighten admissions ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:31:10 PM)
I sense that they are trying to be more reasonable than many of us gave them credit for originally. These "increased standards" by OSU and its admissions position the school to never have to worry about whether it will meet the new NCAA APR standards ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:32:24 PM)
I think some of the foibles of the Cooper classes (like 99 when they had 6 non-qualifiers) and the initial set of APR rankings (where OSU looked bad) caused the "crackdown." But I think the recent spate of graduations and lack of academic casualties (I know they had Maupin and Underwood and maybe 1-2 others) looks better for OSU.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:32:47 PM)
No idea what other Big Ten schools will be impacted. I know PSU is regarded as one of the best in this area with a high published grad rate, etc.

wwt (Dec 2, 2005 2:32:57 PM)
On the black jersey subject - it has always amazed me that we where black anything. I think it should be a charcoal gray - no way BLACK. a charcoal gray would be different from the mainstream yet obviously fit right into the school colors. Don't know if you can find a question in there to answer - just my $.02 worth on black.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:34:58 PM)
I think your viewpoint is shared by many and it's indicative of my initial response. A lot of people and those in charge like the traditions as they are.

mackv (Dec 2, 2005 2:35:08 PM)
If this O can put up 35 a game next year OSU might be tough to beat. Even losing the LB,s. 11-1 next year?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:35:34 PM)
Yes, possibly. I'm still saying 9-2. Game at Texas is troublesome if Young returns.

mackv (Dec 2, 2005 2:36:04 PM)
I read a quote from N Bowman saying OSU was his favorite school growing up. How do you follow a school growing up, get a offer from that school and then go to another school?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:36:52 PM)
Good question, maybe that makes OSU the favorite, but he has also spoken well of PSU and VT, too. We'll see next Thursday.

mackv (Dec 2, 2005 2:36:56 PM)
12 games next year, no?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:37:14 PM)
Yes, my mistake. Make it 10-2 and another Big Ten title (ha ha).

Heater (Dec 2, 2005 2:37:19 PM)
Next question...I've got a million of them: Everyone is trying to pigeon-hole A.J. Hawk and asking the question, "Is he the best ever LB at Ohio State?" (I personally have Hawk behind only Spielman and Gradishar.) But, I'd like to see you do that will two other players on the team instead: Troy Smith and the potential for Chris Wells (assuming a 4-year stay in C-bus).

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:38:40 PM)
Smith entered the rareified air of guys who have won 2 UM games and he can make it 3 next year. That alone makes him special. Germaine and Hoying did not get that done. Schlichter and Kern did. Greene, too. ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:39:43 PM)
Just like any position, that's a hard question because, like at LB, how does Hawk at OLB compare to Katzenmoyer at MLB. How does a run-pass guy like Smith compare to a record setting passer like a Germaine and Hoying. And I forgot Krenzel won 2 over UM, too.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:40:41 PM)
Wells would have to start running now to come anywhere close to what Archie Griffin did at Ohio State. Eddie George had 2 great years, Reecie had one. If Wells can have 2 years splitting duty with Pittman and 2 great years on his own, I think everybody will be happy.

spout (Dec 2, 2005 2:40:48 PM)
Steve,sorry if covered, seniors to be that get early offers? Martin,D. Johnson(grades),etc..

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:41:36 PM)
Martin I would think, maybe a QB like Clay Belton (was at a lot of games), maybe DBs like Torrence or Clifford or St. Ed's Nate Oliver. Lots of talent in that class. Duane is juiced up over them.

mackv (Dec 2, 2005 2:41:41 PM)
Ive seen C Wells ranked 1, 9, and 20 something in different prospect rankings. Where do you actually see him?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:42:43 PM)
That's not my area of expertise. I don't know how he compares to people outside Ohio. I don't watch those players. Scout had him No. 3 and, after he went for 2100 yards, they moved him to No. 1. Makes sense to me.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:42:49 PM)
Anything else today???

mackv (Dec 2, 2005 2:43:13 PM)
In 10 years does Reecie get invited to the National Championship reunion? I hope so. He is one of Ohios sons and even when you screw up your still one of us. That may be the best thing that ever happens to him in his life.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:43:30 PM)
Time heals all wounds ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:45:10 PM)
Cris Carter took money and lost his eligibility and is now years later treated almost like a favorite son.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:45:34 PM)
In the spring of 88 (after Carter sat out 87), they planted his Buckeye tree during the spring game. That said a lot to me.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:45:51 PM)
He was reviled when he left, much like Clarett.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:46:04 PM)
that 87 team was picked by some to possibly win it all.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:47:18 PM)
It's all on Clarett and how he conducts himself. He has said that he still considers himself an OSU fan and a Buckeye. I think the mending process has begun. Tressel said he sent Clarett an OSU sweatshirt for pro camp, like he does all the guys. He seems to not bear a grudge.

Heater (Dec 2, 2005 2:47:40 PM)
Did you ever find out what All-American team you have to be named to in order to get a Buckeye Grove tree?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:48:11 PM)
I think it's done for guys who are considered consensus All-Americans. They use 4-5 lists and if you make a majority of them, that's what they look at.

spout (Dec 2, 2005 2:48:22 PM)
re Heater and ranking Hawk. Think it's too hard to put a "rank" on someone without talking about players around them,opposition (Big10 much much speedier and pass oriented),etc...A.J. has the support,but feel he has more to contend w/ than Kat and especially Grad.IMHO.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:48:26 PM)
Good points.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:48:57 PM)
Guys if there is nothing else, I am going to scoot. It's been fun. Stay tuned Sunday for the announcement and recruiting coverage.

Heater (Dec 2, 2005 2:49:07 PM)
Next commitment? Prediction?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 2, 2005 2:49:14 PM)
Larimore, I guess.

Heater (Dec 2, 2005 2:49:18 PM)
Thanks Steve.

spout (Dec 2, 2005 2:49:20 PM)
Thanx Steve

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