Helwagen Chat: Dec. 9 Archive

Here are excerpts from Friday's Chat session with Bucknuts.com managing editor Steve Helwagen. He conducts these Chat sessions each week for Bucknuts.com subscribers. Recruiting editor Duane Long will host a Chat on Monday (time TBA).

ODOGG45 (Dec 9, 2005 2:10:46 PM)
Steve- what do you make of the success Paterno is having on the receuiting front? Is this something Tressel should be worried about and do you think Tressel is happy with the way recruiting is going? Why so few visits???

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:11:00 PM)
Great question out of the gate ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:11:27 PM)
Paterno's success in recruiting has been less and less about him these last few years. And maybe that's a misnomer ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:12:09 PM)
He has diffused the talk about his health and how long he has been there. I am sure he is honest in telling recruits he could retire or something worse at any time ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:13:11 PM)
But it's about the positive culture he has created on that campus over many decades, similar to what Jim Tressel is working so hard to create here. And now they're a winner again, so that helps. Kids want to be in a positive environment that is more than just about football, and that's what Paterno has created.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:14:41 PM)
Regarding the lack of visits for Ohio State, I agree there should be some concern. They've only had 8-10 uncommitted recruits on campus. For every spot you have you need to visit 2-3 players. It is a numbers game, particularly with the truly great players. I just don't see that volume. We didn't see it last year and it turned OK, though. They need to hit the gas pedal and get some players on campus ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:15:09 PM)
Only ones due in this weekend may be Ross Homan and Grant Schwartz. Andy Miller told me he backed his up to next weekend.

Hicks74 (Dec 9, 2005 2:15:12 PM)
Nervous on only 9 recruits. Any word on Larimore and the Glenville gents ?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:16:38 PM)
Larimore may be welcoming Tressel in-home sometime early next week, perhaps. Maybe we'll know something more at that point on him. I think no news is good news on the Glenville front. OSU wants/needs all 3 of those kids. They are all at need positions, IMHO. It just hasn't happened yet. Rose will verbal somewhere on the A-A game broadcast. Not sure if Small or Browning will do anything for at least a few more weeks.

Hicks74 (Dec 9, 2005 2:16:41 PM)
Steve - Is McCarthy likely to commit soon. Bowman is gone.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:18:06 PM)
McCarthy still has a visit to Miami scheduled next weekend. I imagine he will make that trip and then see if he is ready to pull the trigger. I think he likes Ohio State, but Miami could be tough to beat if they pull out all the stops. We'll see.

rbuck (Dec 9, 2005 2:18:14 PM)
Gary sounded like Bowman was going to commit yesterday, is this a case of a kid toying with people saying one thing and doing another?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:19:34 PM)
No, I don't think so. I think he was conflicted. He had two great choices. The vibe Dave Biddle got when he was on the phone with him was one of uncertainty. He may have told Tressel what he wanted to hear when he was in his house. But then Paterno may have trumped him. He's an 18-year-old kid and it's within his rights to change his mind.

buckeyeglory (Dec 9, 2005 2:19:42 PM)
what are the chances with gibson?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:20:38 PM)
It sounds like they have him backed up for a 1/13 visit. Maybe by then first semester grades will be posted and he will look more like a predictor. I think Ohio State has a great chance, provided his academics are in order. It is great on his part that he's waiting until Jan. to let the situation sort itself out.

rbuck (Dec 9, 2005 2:20:48 PM)
Steve, I talked to someone who claims a source close to the athletic department, that the basketball team is not going to be eligible for the tournament atleast this year. What do you know, and WHEN is the NCAA going to announce?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:21:58 PM)
It would only be speculation at this point. It is a messy situation when you have, as was reported, people like Geiger, O'Brien, Biancardi, Holbrook, Smith and maybe even Matta all going before the committee, potentially. That is anything but a united front, especially with O'Brien in litigation against the university. ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:23:07 PM)
Gene Smith, a former infractions committee member, walked in during the middle of this mess and is charged with cleaning it up. He was adamant in a speaking engagement months ago that it would be time served and maybe some past penalties (forfeits, return of money) and maybe some scholarship limits going forward ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:24:15 PM)
It would be pure speculation for me to say what I think will come down and we may not know until mid-January. Michigan got 2 years and then had to appeal it back down to one. As a worst case scenario, OSU could find itself in the same boat. I have no idea if an appeal could be expedited by early March to save this team's NCAA eligibility ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:24:24 PM)
You have to hope it doesn't come to that.

Hicks74 (Dec 9, 2005 2:24:28 PM)
Where is "sense of urgency" on OL. It seems we count on 2-3 of Smith, Boren and Brown but good second choices like Thomas and Tilley seem slighted and we lose them. Nagy also !

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:25:56 PM)
You call them good second choices. Somebody at the WHAC didn't see that way or they would have had Tilley and Nagy make visits. Thomas, I think, they want him and will quietly pursue that until he says stop. Maybe he already has said that, I don't know. We can only possibly report on a fraction of what REALLY happens with recruiting.

Head (Dec 9, 2005 2:26:04 PM)
Hey Steve #30 in your programs here. I'm in England and didn't get to see the Oden/Conley vs Cook game. Looks like Oden is the real deal. Didn't here much about Cook--how did he look? #1 in your hearts.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:26:46 PM)
The game had a slow start with lots of turnovers. I had Oden with 5 or 6 himself as he didn't deal with the triple team very well ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:27:59 PM)
But as the game wore on he was a beast. He blocked 9 shots. Comprehend that. That means your opponent gets precious few easy points in the paint (unlike OSU's first 3 opponents and the 2 exhibitions, where the shot chart looks like a jumbled mess around the basket). He had 21 points, 17 rebounds and the best thing was they would flip it back to him for easy finishes on the fast break ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:28:16 PM)
He made one reverse overhead shot that showed me he has the skills to be a scoring force inside ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:29:21 PM)
Cook had 11 points when Oden came down on his head with an elbow with 2:30 to go in the first half. He went down in a heap and went to the hospital with what was believed to be a concussion. He was on his way to a big night and Dunbar could have stolen that game, in my opinion, if he had played and stayed hot in the second half ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:29:59 PM)
Conley had a stomach virus, but once Dunbar got it down to 3 in the second half, he came alive and took over the game. Made some big shots, even had a steal and breakaway dunk. He is a great point guard.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:30:36 PM)
Great showing by all 3 and a very entertaining game, Dunbar deserves the gold star for cutting the lead from 12 down to 3 without Cook. They could be tough in Ohio this year.

spout (Dec 9, 2005 2:30:48 PM)
Steve ,do you see red-shirting Henton.If he can progress behind Troy,we can stay w/ this type offense. Other wise we go to a drop back kind of guy for a year or two and then transition again.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:30:53 PM)
Naturally ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:32:23 PM)
There is no need for him to play in 2006, particularly if Zwick, Boeckman and Schoenhoft are available to back up Smith. In the spring of 2007, the three younger QBs will have an even crack at it and Tressel and his staff will decide which one gives them the best shot at winning. Boeckman will have the clear experience advantage, but Schoenhoft had a great year they say on the scout team and Henton's last 2 games speak for themselves.

timbuck2 (Dec 9, 2005 2:32:27 PM)
Any word on how Derrell Johnson's grades are?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:33:20 PM)
I don't have the specifics in front of me. The best intel I have is he needs to keep working and he would have an outside shot at qualifying. It is much more likely he goes the prep school route for a year, from what I understand. A place like Fork Union could be the ticket.

rbuck (Dec 9, 2005 2:33:28 PM)
I just have a bad vibe on AJ Wallace, seems like Penn State is gaining steam and I could see him doing the same thing as Bowman.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:34:21 PM)
It's possible. I know he has enjoyed his 2 visits to Columbus (one in June and one for his official). I'm not sure what else Ohio State could do in this instance. They have worked him as hard as they can. The Derrick Williams/Md. pull may be too much, I dunno.

labsbeabmm (Dec 9, 2005 2:34:29 PM)
Although the quality of recruits to date are great, I'm nervous that we peaked early and the rest may be good but not great players.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:35:11 PM)
That was borne out a year ago with this strategy, although Robiskie -- one of the last to sign -- did see action as a freshman and has a great future in front of him. Just stay with it, I guess.

Hicks74 (Dec 9, 2005 2:35:17 PM)
Any other RB recruits a possibility to supplement Wells ? Wells only makes it 4 on scholarship unless the GA kid is in line. Jahmal Brown ?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:37:43 PM)
I have not heard of any other RBs on the horizon. Ohio is loaded with RB talent next year with Morgan Williams at McKinley and Brian Gamble at Massillon, Hosea Simpson at Winton Woods and others I'm not thinking of now. I think they take their chances with Pittman, Wells, Haw and Wells for next year. That's a pretty good group, in my book.

keato (Dec 9, 2005 2:37:52 PM)
Steve, where do you rank this recruiting class as of now? Looks like we need some good news from the Glenville trio and some help from OOS kids. How bout dem REDS!!!

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:38:17 PM)
Keato, the Reds finally moved Sean Casey ... Hallelujah! Great glove, great in the clubhouse, no power, 75 wins ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:39:09 PM)
OK, agreed on the need for a good finish. Nobody disputes the star power of Wells, Connor Smith or Homan. Those 3 are at the top of their game and among the best in the nation at their respective spots ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:40:16 PM)
But they need to build some depth. We're talking about them scratching to fill 20 spots. What happens if, God forbid, Youboty, Holmes and Whitner all leave (not that I think that will happen with all 3), but now you have 22-23 open spots. Where are the true difference makers coming from to fill all of those spots?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:40:55 PM)
Ohio is loaded next year, according to Duane Long, so keeping 1-2 spots back for next year may not be a bad idea. But they need to finish strong. The Glenville 3, Wallace and Larimore would help that cause.

ODOGG45 (Dec 9, 2005 2:41:03 PM)
Steve- I heard one of the recruits talking about watching the ground breaking of the new weight room. Where exactly is it being built and do you have any pic's or details of what it will look like

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:43:20 PM)
It was not a public event. I'm sure they will make an announcement when they're ready. I am hearing it now pushes $20 million. Not sure how much of that they have in place. But it's supposed to be state-of-the-art when it's done. I think Andy Katzenmoyer talked about how they told him they would have it ready by the time he was done (ha ha), so don't hold your breath.

labsbeabmm (Dec 9, 2005 2:43:51 PM)
We're so bad in Pittsburgh that we're glad to have Casey

buckeyeglory (Dec 9, 2005 2:43:54 PM)
Off topic but where did casey go?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:44:12 PM)
To the Buccos for a pitcher named Dave Williams I've never heard of ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:44:30 PM)
Believe he was 10-11 with a 4.20 ERA or something, must be an inning eater. OK, back to business.

Hicks74 (Dec 9, 2005 2:44:44 PM)
Whatever happened to Micah Johnson ? He is practically in our backyard ? There are so few DT's on the recruiting front !

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:45:30 PM)
I think he committed to Kentucky, if I'm not mistaken. Rich Brooks, I believe is still the coach there. UK is making some recruiting strides. Too bad OSU didn't do enough to get him to even visit. Only 100 miles down the road and a top-100 player.

Hicks74 (Dec 9, 2005 2:45:40 PM)
Everyone is the SEC offered Tilley. Not exactly a schmuck conference. Any word on the development of Skinner-Person and Mitchum. Who emerges first ?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:45:56 PM)
Good point on Tilley. Different strokes for different folks, I guess ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:47:20 PM)
I think Person and Mitchum may be a step ahead of Skinner. You just don't get many details because our access to assistants is virtually nil. Mitchum could factor in the center battle, perhaps. Person could get squeezed out if Datish replaces Sims at guard, so they can play Boone and Barton at the tackles. (Of course, that's how I see it, so that will never come to pass ... ha ha.)

dominus (Dec 9, 2005 2:47:27 PM)
After all the negativity on some of the boards regarding the Bowman "prediction", I just wanted to come here to support the staff and say how much I appreciate your insights and your information. Keep it coming. There is no question here.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:48:29 PM)
Dominus, I appreciate that show of support. I really do, and I'm sure our guys do as well. The fact is when you take a stand and put yourself out there like that, you run the risk of getting your butt shot off when things don't go according to plan. ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:50:22 PM)
Gary, himself, had a nice line when something similar happened internally not long ago. It went something like this (and I am adapting it): "In times of crisis, nobody seems to remember the good things we do here or how many of these things we do get right. They only choose to remember the bad."

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:50:28 PM)
I think that says it all.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:50:50 PM)
Memo from Ohio State about the NCAA hearing:

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:51:30 PM)
It looks like the hearing with the infractions committee will not wrap up until tomorrow morning, meaning Ohio State will have no public comment until Saturday morning. The plan now calls for Gene Smith to issue a brief statement. Gene will be the only spokesperson for the University regarding this matter.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:51:37 PM)
I guess that means stay tuned.

buckicrazy (Dec 9, 2005 2:51:43 PM)
I really like Oden's game Thursday. It looks like he might have a little nasty side to him on the offensive side of the court. I don't remember reading anything about him being aggressive on offense. Is this something he has been working on

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:53:02 PM)
Yes, I think his passive nature has worked against him at times. He had an all-business look last night. He was very aggressive. He was dinged with a few fouls and probably should have been called for 1-2 more than he had. That is great to see a 7-0 kid with good to great skills playing so hard. He hit a foul line J, too. That is what makes him so special.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:54:00 PM)
The Indy paper ran a quote from him saying he was nervous playing on national TV last year. So he reconciled it by telling himself the best way to overcome that nervousness was to just go out and play as hard as he could. You have to like it that he is sharp enough to figure that one out.

mackv (Dec 9, 2005 2:54:11 PM)
It was 30 in AZ this week. But ill take it.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:54:43 PM)
That's no good. I need 75 at gametime (and tee time ... ha ha).

buckicrazy (Dec 9, 2005 2:54:46 PM)
Do you see Henton starting before Beokman or Robbie?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:55:34 PM)
No, I think Boeckman is next. Tough part is that would be 2007, when they have to visit PSU and UM again and that will be a tough baptism. Could be a case where the backup -- who will not have played a lick by then -- looks better by comparison ... and here we go again.

Hicks74 (Dec 9, 2005 2:55:48 PM)
Looking to next year. What "doghouse" guy comes out ? Frost and Kerr seem to be ok now but what about Cotton, Haw, Welch ?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:56:58 PM)
They'll need all hands on deck if they want to repeat as the Big Ten champ and contend for the national title. But I think Frost, in particular, has a chance to be a star. He and Nicol can get them back to running some 2-tight end sets.

buckgrad (Dec 9, 2005 2:57:14 PM)
Steve, I read the posts for the first time in a long time yesterday, dont listen to the negative stuff people put on there. Its not the Bucknuts staff that Bowman didnt commit to OSU. But I do agree with the fact that the football staff should be worrying. We have maybe 3 "guarantees" and the rest could go either way. Not looking good

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:58:06 PM)
Agreed, they need to go out and really push it these next 7 weeks. It just seems like they have been behind out of state and with some key OL recruits from the start. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I see.

mackv (Dec 9, 2005 2:58:20 PM)
Not that worried about not getting Bowman. There are already three linebackers in this class that are 6ft 195 with more speed. I would rather get a 6'2 - 6'4" 210 lb like Gibson or McCarthy or Johnson. More versatility.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 2:59:01 PM)
Oh, I agree 100 percent. One LB isn't going to sink the ship. They have options there. I think I'd like to see some impact guys at OL, DL and DB, in particular. Those are the 3 biggest areas.

mackv (Dec 9, 2005 2:59:12 PM)
The staff seems to be involved in Maryland, Georgia, and still Florida. I like that they are in these areas. Do you think this will pay off in the future?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:00:51 PM)
That's where the players are in the Eastern time zone. Those three states, PA and NJ as well as Ohio. Yes, it can't hurt to be in there and gain a foothold at some of the key stops. If they can get 2 good to great ones from Fla. and one from Ga/Atlanta every year, they're on the right track, in my mind. They got Stan White from Md. That can be a fertile ground as well, especially with Maryland kind of hitting a lull right now under Fridge.

Hicks74 (Dec 9, 2005 3:00:55 PM)
LB Starters next year out of Laurinaitis, Kerr, Lenix, Hoobler, Freeman, Spitler, Homan etc

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:01:44 PM)
You hope like heck for D'Andrea in the middle, but have to think Hoobler will be right there, too. Then, probably Freeman (I think he's fine now) and probably Laurinaitis outside.

TroySmith4Heisman (Dec 9, 2005 3:01:51 PM)
Steve, how much starting time will Chris Wells take from Pittman next year? Also, is there any chance he could completely supplant him as the starter? Thanks

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:04:11 PM)
I think Pittman will remain the starter as long as he is effective. If he pouts and reverts back to his 2004 form where he was woefully inconsistent, then somebody else will steal some carries. But I think Tressel believes he now has a winner in that spot, a guy who is battle tested, does not fumble and just gets it done. So I think his spot is safe for now. Chris Wells will have to come in and earn his time. What he did in the past is now immaterial as well. He'll be given every chance. My guess is if Pittman stays solid, doesn't fumble, moves the chains, he'll stay as the starter and Wells would likely be the backup. Haw and Mo Wells need to stay sharp, of course, because RBs have and do get banged up.

mackv (Dec 9, 2005 3:04:18 PM)
Conley mentioned Lenix in his chat as one of the starting LBs next year. Should we read anything into that?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:05:00 PM)
I just think that's Bill's opinion on Lenix as a great play maker, that if everything checks out academically and he has a good spring he could push his way into the lineup. I am still working on trying to get a Lenix update.

mackv (Dec 9, 2005 3:05:11 PM)
The Army All American game was a let down last year as far as commits. I hope we are not looking at the same thing this year.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:06:11 PM)
Well, the great news this year is that Rose should, by all rights, project a great image for Ohio State. If there is an injury or something, you know Ginn would love to get Small on that team, too. Beyond that, just go into it with an open mind. Could Youboty's status impact Wallace's decision? Hmmm.

TroySmith4Heisman (Dec 9, 2005 3:06:22 PM)
I know our o-line looks set and has pretty nice depth. However, with the loss of Sims & Mangold I am concerned that we keep losing Ohio blue chippers to other schools. Are we not recruiting o-line hard this year or are we just losing out on these guys?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:07:20 PM)
There was a disconnect somewhere in the Aaron Brown recruitment. They did not want him visiting Texas weekend after he played a game earlier in the day. They just could not present things the way they wanted. I think internally somebody just decided, "This is just not worth the trouble" and no tears were shed when he verbaled VT ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:08:28 PM)
Boren's dad played at Michigan. He said a lot of positive things about OSU. But when Bo was able to have his in-home (hey, give 'em credit, they pulled out EVERY stop ... I'd like to know how much Bo had kept in contact with the dad since he left the 2 A's), that turned it in Michigan's favor.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:09:48 PM)
Those two cases went awry and, in some ways, were beyond the staff's control. They have recovered nicely, I feel, with Browning. They must think they only need 2 OLs this year. Browning and Smith are the only 2 they've made a serious pitch for. Maybe I'm missing a name. I think they need to actually sign 4, but what do I know?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:10:21 PM)
They worked so hard to rebuild the depth there and they're kind of letting it erode, in my opinion. Maybe I'm an idiot. I dunno.

Hicks74 (Dec 9, 2005 3:10:32 PM)
Steve, Who starts at LB next year out of Laurinaitis, Kerr, Lenix, Hoobler, Spitler, Freeman etc. Will the graduation of the big 3 force us to not redhshirt Homan and Moeller ?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:11:29 PM)
We covered the starters -- Freeman and Laurinaitis outside and D'Andrea and/or Hoobler in the middle. That's a damn good 4 guys for 3 spots. I think Homan, going through spring ball, can get on some special teams and help them in 06. Moeller had a great year. Let's see how he makes the jump.

mackv (Dec 9, 2005 3:11:35 PM)
The only good thing is that Mich isnt exactly setting the world on fire either. I think they have like 10 verbals. Actually the entire Big 10 is rather slow.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:13:12 PM)
It is kind of a blase year. Lot of programs in transition with Zook and Hoeppner going like heck, but still just getting entrenched. Smith and Carr have to fight over the scraps in Michigan and I'm not sure it's a great year there. Wisconsin has a messy coaching change, of sorts. Iowa has been great these last few years and will probly be OK.

spout (Dec 9, 2005 3:13:43 PM)
Steve , is the LB fom Clyde(Schwartz), getting serious looks from tOSU?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:13:56 PM)
No, I have not heard that. I think he was at a game or 2.

TroySmith4Heisman (Dec 9, 2005 3:14:00 PM)
Who is going to step up on the D-line next year. We lose our only pass rusher in Kudla. This actually has me more worried than losing our stud LB's. Are we in on any top DE prospects that could help fill the void?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:15:27 PM)
Great question, you lose Kudla and Green and designated pass rusher Carpenter. They probably played 40 percent of the plays with those guys lined up along with Pitcock up front. Huge holes to fill. You need Jay Richardson to step up and deliver. Also in that mix at end would be Gholston, Barrow, Wilson, Worthington and maybe Patterson. If an Abdallah or Cotton stepped up, that would be huge. Patterson may be needed inside.

mackv (Dec 9, 2005 3:15:40 PM)
I feel any recruit that stays in state is great for that kid weather its Cali to NY. I dont even have a problem with a kid going to his fav team growin up. But when a kid from Ohio goes to Mich thats a slap in the face. Any time you go to your states hated rival your a snake in my book.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:16:40 PM)
Yeah, Bill Conley made that point on Tuesday that Burgess, Crable, the Massey brothers and others there had the chance to wear Scarlet and Gray. Now they did when the last 2 Big Ten titles, but another loss to OSU may have them questioning themselves.

boulderbuck1 (Dec 9, 2005 3:16:48 PM)
not sure if posted already, but i heard sneaky pete had an in home with C. Wells, any news on that front?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:17:08 PM)
Nope, did not hear that. Wouldn't surprise me. He'd be crazy not to take one day and take a run at it.

buckicrazy (Dec 9, 2005 3:17:21 PM)
I like the depth that OSU has at QB for the future. Do you think they take any more in this class?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:18:06 PM)
No, I have heard of no other QB prospects on the horizon.

mackv (Dec 9, 2005 3:21:34 PM)
Putting a lot of eggs in the Latimore, Wallace basket. Thats scary.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:21:42 PM)
We'll see, I suppose.

Hicks74 (Dec 9, 2005 3:21:52 PM)
Who are the backup tackles next year to Barton and Boone - Seem thin there. Kind of why I am puzzled on Tilley. Don't say Schaefer and none of the Mitchum-Person-Skinner seem very big......need numbers there !!

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:22:06 PM)
Rehring and Datish could play there, obviously.

Hicks74 (Dec 9, 2005 3:22:22 PM)
Prediction on Fiesta ? How does ND running game and Walker stack up vs Hart and Michigan and Maroney at Minny. Hart is running scared by now and I don't see that improving. Brady was stuffed too !

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:23:14 PM)
They are not on the same level. But the thing is Quinn is so good they may open some running lanes because you have to respect the pass. But Walker is a nice back. He and Pittman are almost carbon copies of one another. I don't think he gets 100. If he does, ND should win.

mackv (Dec 9, 2005 3:23:19 PM)
I dont remember a HS kid throwing the long ball as well as Henton. Its beautiful. Rain drops.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:24:07 PM)
Yep, he has some ability. A friend made the point that his tape shows him on the field with high school kids, so we all need to relax. He is going to jump off the page at you there. Will be fun to see how he grows and develops. ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:24:26 PM)
Scott Kennedy handles SE for Scout. He has upgraded Henton and likes him a lot. That says a lot to me.

Hicks74 (Dec 9, 2005 3:24:32 PM)
Next commit if you were a betting man....which you are not...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:24:55 PM)
I've said Larimore for a while. Some undercurrent about Ray Small, though, which would be huge.

TroySmith4Heisman (Dec 9, 2005 3:25:00 PM)
Speaking of Marcel Frost, why don't we use him more? He made some really great plays against SCum. He adds a new dimension that Hamby doesn't seem to have.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:25:39 PM)
He's just learning the ropes. The offense is about trust, too. Troy trusts Holmes, Ginn and Gonzo. He needs to work Hall and Frost in there too and also dump off to the backs. What a great problem to have!

Minnesota Buckeye II (Dec 9, 2005 3:25:55 PM)
Hey Steve....two different questions...first...we do we get USC...isn't it in 2008 or 2009...so wouldn't this class have a real impact on those games (to some degree)? And second...I was speaking with someone who is on the ND football staff (grad asst)...whether it's smoke or not...the early gameplan is to have Quinn go right at our corners/secondary...they think they have height advantage with their receivers...and that they saw what Cupito did to us at Minnesota...Tress and co gotta know this...any thoughts to how we defend them if that is there intent? And our success?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:27:17 PM)
OSU plays at USC in 2008 (9/13 to be exact, make your plans now) and at home with Trojans in 2009. The current freshmen would be seniors then, so, yes, the guys they are bringing in now would be in the mix for both those games ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:29:23 PM)
That plan makes sense for ND. They saw what Minnesota and, to a degree, what Michigan were able to do vs. OSU. The key will be safety support from a 6-3 guy like Nate Salley or heavy hitters like Whitner and Mitchell. If their receivers have a corner battling them for the ball and then get their block knocked off by a safety, they won't be catching a lot of balls. The safeties must step up in coverage. Blown assignments have hurt OSU before and must be kept to a minimum because Weis will program Quinn to bury OSU if they blow a read.

Hicks74 (Dec 9, 2005 3:29:38 PM)
Best redshirt returning for next year ?? Freeman ? Rehring ? Does Rehring go back to OT with the lack of numbers there ?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:30:14 PM)
Those would be two of the better ones. heard a lot about Schoenhoft and Anderson Russell as well. Maybe Cordle at center, though he was lost for the year with injury. Could legitimately start next year.

buckicrazy (Dec 9, 2005 3:30:23 PM)
With the lack of depth at DT in this recruiting class do you see Worthington or one of the other yound DE adding weight and moving inside. Worthington seems to have the frame to add weight and not lose speed.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:30:38 PM)
That is possible. They need help inside if Abdallah and Cotton fail to finally step up.

MDbuck (Dec 9, 2005 3:30:46 PM)
I must say I am really curious about Homan. He sounds like an animal, I know he played in a smaller division but so did Greenway of Iowa (North Dakatoa football) What is your impressions of him

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:31:45 PM)
Great kid, first and foremost, from a great family. You will not be looking around in 4 years wondering what happened to Ross Homan. Winner. Kid only lost 2 games in 3 years, I believe, at Coldwater (maybe it was 3). Good football player. Decent speed, works hard, always around the ball. ....

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:32:19 PM)
Gary made the comment at halftime last week that he didn't see Homan dominate the game. He came out in the third quarter and was everywhere on defense, then ripped off a big TD run on offense.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:32:24 PM)
I can't say enough about Ross.

redondo (Dec 9, 2005 3:32:40 PM)
Hi Steve - Do you think the coaching staff senses the urgency that permeates the Board, this chat and Conley's observations? The read I get from Nevada's posts are that things are humming along according to plan. Seems like a BIG disconnect to me.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:33:16 PM)
Well, they know what they have better than I do. The thought was they had Bowman, though, so take that for what it's worth. Somebody isn't looking at things clearly. Maybe it's me.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:34:48 PM)
Uh oh ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:35:06 PM)
Just got this from Ohio State and I don't know what it means, but it does not sound good:

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:35:31 PM)
STATEMENT OF THE DIVISION I COMMITTEE ON INFRACTIONS: Earlier today, the Committee on Infractions heard motions and argument from the parties to the Ohio State case regarding procedural matters associated with the hearing. Having considered the presentation of counsel and representatives of the institution, the committee determined to continue the proceedings and reschedule the time of the hearing. The committee wishes to be very clear that the basis of the continuance has nothing to do with an assessment of the merits of the case.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:36:25 PM)
It looks like they are pushing the hearing back. We have no indication when that may be. Wow.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:36:33 PM)
OSU remains in a state of limbo.

TroySmith4Heisman (Dec 9, 2005 3:36:45 PM)
I think Santonio Holmes has been one of the best big play WR's in the country the last 3 years. He always gets TD's in our biggest games. Even with our great WR depth, losing him has me very worried. What are our chances of getting him for one more year and if he bolts to the NFL who steps up as THE guy next year?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:37:22 PM)
I agree. When they needed a play, he made it. Maybe the catch at Michigan is Gonzalez's way of saying "I am ready to take that torch now, thank you."

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:38:44 PM)
I hate to say it, but I think No. 4 is gone. He has two small kids. He's been here for 4 seasons. If he is indeed a first-round pick (Scout has him No. 2 on the board at WR behind Michigan's Jason Avant), then he probably should go.

rbuck (Dec 9, 2005 3:38:51 PM)
Do you think this Fiesta Bowl is HUGE in regards to recruiting over the next 4 years. With the dominamtion over scUM of late, and a big win against the Domers, I'd say this would all go a long way.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:40:01 PM)
Yes, to end your year with 7 straight wins and the last 2 over Michigan and ND would say it all. Granted they did lose to PSU, so they can't claim total Midwestern dominance. But that means a lot. Those two games will be replayed for recruits and highlighted for the whole year to come.

spout (Dec 9, 2005 3:40:10 PM)
Steve,can't recall a specific need for it, but does Tress have many fake punts/field goals in his past play calling?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:41:10 PM)
They faked a punt with Donnie Nickey, I think, one time and he got a big gainer with it. Not sure what the circumstance was. They faked a FG with Nugent in the national championship game and it went horribly awry. Tressel said he felt they needed TDs to win that game not FGs. They are in there. ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:41:44 PM)
I liked the fake FG Coop ran one time when Eddie George was on a wing and he circled around in motion and took a pitch. I thought that was pretty ingenius.

TroySmith4Heisman (Dec 9, 2005 3:41:53 PM)
Do you really believe the hype about Quinn being this good? I have looked at their competition and almost all the defenses they have played have been terrible. I seriously doubt he does anything versus the OSU D.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:42:53 PM)
Believe the hype? Look at his numbers, jeez. 3600 yards and like 32 TDs against 7 picks. You tell me. Yes, their competition was largely crap. You could make a case, though, that the signature win for both of these teams was at Michigan and that was about it. ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:43:12 PM)
OSU needs sound coverage and great pressure. Without Carpenter, where is it coming from?

buckicrazy (Dec 9, 2005 3:43:16 PM)
Do you think TG Jr. stays after next year or will he leave early?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:44:10 PM)
Depends what kind of year he has and where he is projected to be. I think he needs to be a more well-rounded football player if he is going to go in the first round. Maybe taking some turns on defense will help him improve that stock.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:44:47 PM)
OK, we're out of questions for today. It's been fun. Duane Long should be along on Monday and NevadaBuck the following Monday. Mike Frank from Irish Eyes on Wed., Dec. 28.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 9, 2005 3:45:13 PM)
Have a great weekend, deck the halls and so on. Stay safe and we'll see you next week!!!

EDITOR'S NOTE -- If you like what you see here at Bucknuts.com, we urge you to subscribe today.

This is the time to subscribe and enjoy all of the benefits of Bucknuts.com. Each day, we bring you the latest on what is happening with Ohio State football, basketball and recruiting.

This is the time to subscribe ... or at least take a one-week free trial! Start a new subscription by Dec. 15 and you will be on the mailing list for our February edition (A.J. Hawk on the cover!).

Bucknuts.com has become the leading Internet site for coverage of Ohio State athletics, football and football recruiting. Now is the time to act. You have read the rest; now come and stick with the best!

Membership has its privileges. A one-year subscription ($99.95) gets you access to all premium news content on all of the Scout.com sites in the network. You also have access to our three premium message boards on this site. Plus, you receive the next 10 issues of Bucknuts The Magazine -- our glossy 80-page magazine devoted to OSU athletics and recruiting.

That's quite a bit for $99.95. Remember, that members have access to Chat sessions with Steve Helwagen, Bill Conley, Duane Long, Kyle Lamb, NevadaBuck and Gary Housteau.

Click here for information on subscribing or starting a free trial:

Subscription Information

Buckeye Sports Top Stories