Helwagen Chat: Dec. 15 Archive

Here are excerpts from Thursday's Chat with Steve Helwagen. Look for Gary Housteau's Chat on Friday (time TBA) and NevadaBuck to conduct his first Chat on Monday at 1 p.m. Eastern.

expresblfc (Dec 15, 2005 1:07:33 PM)
Steve, we heard recently that admissions may be 'lightening' up... now Duane posts how bad admissions is being to us... are things really going to lighten up? or is it just a case where kids can now visit that coudnt' before.. but still can't gain admission?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:08:57 PM)
I did not see the post by Duane or what the basis for that would have been. This remains a double edged sword ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:09:32 PM)
On one hand, OSU aspires to be a highly rated institution of higher learning. And they want athletics to be in full compliance with the new APR standards ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:10:17 PM)
But sometimes you can tighten things too far. I think going overboard with tight admissions runs counter to the initial mission of this institution. It is a land grant university at its core -- a place for ALL comers.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:11:07 PM)
There needs to be some middle ground. There was a thought a few weeks back that things would be loosened just a tad. Maybe that is not the case. I don't know. But as a friend says all the time, "We are where we are and it is what it is." ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:12:17 PM)
Getting upset with it and throwing your hands up in the air is what Lou Holtz and Notre Dame did after that school (over)reacted to the Tony Rice fiasco. Going out and working twice as hard to get the kids your bosses say you should be getting -- who can also play a little bit of football -- that's what the current regime needs to do.

Hicks74 (Dec 15, 2005 1:12:30 PM)
Steve, What is problem with just offering Gibson. If he fails admissions isn't it "no harm, no foul"- At least we do everything we can to try to secure him. Is Lenix and Maupin U of Cincy bound ?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:12:55 PM)
No, that's not how it will work and here's why ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:14:30 PM)
When OSU had to pull the plug on Miles Williams, Dajuan Morgan and Dennis Kennedy, the school caught all holy hell. The president's office was bombarded by nasty notes. Consequently, the decree came down, "Thou shalt not offer or even do official visits with athletes who don't pass muster with official visits." They are not interested in having any more surprises or 11th hour scholarship pullouts (and more bad PR).

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:14:48 PM)
That should say pass muster with admissions.

JimC (Dec 15, 2005 1:15:00 PM)
Hi Steve, Any good gossip about possible commits?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:16:34 PM)
We all thought Dexter Larimore would have verbaled by now. Interesting that has not happened yet, maybe sometime next week. This DB from Fla., Chimdi Chekwa, is somewhat intriguing. A big corner. OSU is clearly the best school on his list. Maybe he pulls the trigger in the days ahead after this midweek visit is completed. That is, of course, if they blow him away. Snow and sleet for 2 days would give me some pause if I lived outside Orlando, too.

Guest (Dec 15, 2005 1:16:41 PM)
Steve, why do you suppose there is so much pessimism this year with regard to recruiting? Every year, it gets worse because we know so much so much earlier. I sometimes dread reading the board. Thoughts?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:17:04 PM)
Dingbuck asks why there is pessimism with recruiting ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:19:44 PM)
Well, people on our site and message boards watch to see what happens. It's like wrestling or a soap opera, if nothing happens they get bored or they tune out. The fact of the matter is OSU's visit lists are down even from last year, when they were way down from previous years. They are "resurrecting" (for lack of a better word) a kid like Chimdi Chekwa, whom they'd had little interest (seemingly) for months. And yet, you look at the front end and see an RB (Chris Wells) and an OL (Connor Smith) as good as any that anybody will sign this year anywhere this shy of the 49ers. So, that is kind of a contradiction ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:20:22 PM)
I think most OSU fans want to see the Buckeyes close with a flourish. I think Rose gets that going at the A-A game and Browning and Small may follow suit after some Jan. visits.

buckgrad (Dec 15, 2005 1:20:27 PM)
Steve, any updates on the following recruits...Wallace, Browning, Johnson (Mark and Darell), Ausberry. Thanks

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:21:01 PM)
The undercurrent on Wallace is Penn State. He's part of that Maryland-to-PSU mafia (Friedgen has got to be pulling his hair out) ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:21:50 PM)
Browning did not visit Tenn. last weekend. I assume he will be part of that group at MSU this weekend, then he has NW and Tennessee in January.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:23:22 PM)
Mark Johnson has Oregon 1/13 and maybe OSU 1/6. OSU has consistently been in his top 5. They need to get him here and see what happens.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:24:06 PM)
Have heard nothing more on Derrell Johnson since Bill Greene's update after the state finals. Everything I hear is he probably needs a year at a prep school in order to improve his chances of qualifying. Maybe that's bad info, though.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:26:13 PM)
Ausberry will announce 1/7 at the A-A game in San Antonio. Georgia, OSU and USC are three finalists. We shall see, I guess. No nods or winks. Hard to imagine a great Cali kid turning his back on Petey. But at 6-4 and 215 he'd be a major coup. No question.

Doggie (Dec 15, 2005 1:26:29 PM)
Are the Buckeyes interested in Steve Schiling from Bellevue Wash? A huge OF lineman and he lists the team up North as one of his finalists. It concerns me that the top 10 uncommitted prospects do not have the Bucks listed, but yet you see ND and Mich listed in six of the 10 left. Why are the Bucks not going after them?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:28:08 PM)
One week ago, Schilling listed his finalists as USC, Michigan, Cal and Washington. I don't think he's interested in them ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:29:05 PM)
Lots of reasons on not going after a particular player -- position needs, academics, location, etc. And you also have to say that sometimes the coaches have a different evaluation of a player's ability to help them than the recruiting gurus do.

Hicks74 (Dec 15, 2005 1:31:23 PM)
Did you hear any additional news on Lenix ? I saw on the U of Cincy website that Lenix and Brandon Maupin were enrolling there.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:32:45 PM)
I read the report on the UC Scout site. It did not contain quotes (or at least new ones from either player). It said that each was expected to join UC. There is nothing on the official UC web site. My assumption is if they published that they got it on real good authority. My efforts to reach Lenix have been futile, but we'll keep trying.

buckgrad (Dec 15, 2005 1:33:01 PM)
I see recruits saying things like "they want to use me like Justin King or Derrick Williams etc..." why do we never hear that coming out of their mouths about Ohio State? "yeah they want to use me like Ted Ginn, or Alex Boone, or Malcolm Jenkins and so on..." We have a great track record of using freshman, why arent the coaches selling that?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:33:33 PM)
I assume they are selling it. The kids just aren't repeating it. When Chris Gamble went both ways, that's all I heard from the various WRs and DBs I was interviewing.

Dingbuck (Dec 15, 2005 1:33:40 PM)
I feel no fear of ND, Steve. Is there something wrong with me? Unless we screw up badly with TO's and fumbled punts, we should do well. Thoughts?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:34:44 PM)
It's weird everybody is expecting a 2 or 3 TD win over Notre Dame. Even CFN.com picked it like 38-20. That would be a great jumping off point for 2006 and would take Weis down a peg or 2 if they could pull something like that off. A 1-point victory would also suffice for most of you, I assume ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:35:36 PM)
If the ND defense bottles up Pittman, they have a chance. Tressel has talked that ND's run defense has been fairly decent. That gives ND a fighting chance in my book. It has the makings of another Minnesota, up and down the field game, possibly.

buckgrad (Dec 15, 2005 1:35:42 PM)
Are we going to get to 18 commits?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:35:53 PM)
Wow, not at this rate, and that's OK, too ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:36:40 PM)
I think there are only 15 juniors on the team coming back, so if they don't max out this year they save some spots for next year, when Ohio is loaded. Duane Long and Gary Housteau and Bill Greene are already in love with a bunch of these OH juniors.

Hicks74 (Dec 15, 2005 1:36:57 PM)
Would offering Martin or Torrence from Canton South now be a good idea ? Like the early offer to Jamario O'Neal ? It flatters them at least. I still think that is how we lost a Joe Thomas and now we are scrambling.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:40:19 PM)
I'm not Jim Tressel, John Peterson or Jim Heacock and I don't know what they look for with defensive linemen. But Martin put on a display in the game I saw him live in the opener down at UC. I assume he is on track academically at a parochial school like LaSalle. Again, admissions is the thing. They can't offer unless and until somebody in one of those towers (I think that's where admissions still is) signs off on it. ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:41:40 PM)
Torrence is also a special talent. Bill Greene and Duane really like him a lot. I don't know his full story academically, either. I think it's kind of a hot shot move by Illinois to offer this early. Then again, the Zooker needs to think outside the box a little bit if he is going to lift that program out of the bowels of lethargy (nice "The Best of Times" reference, huh?). ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:42:02 PM)
I think they trailed Penn State 56-3 at halftime at home. Illinois needs all the help they can get right now.

Guest (Dec 15, 2005 1:42:15 PM)
Do you see a let down with the Bucks at the Fiesta Bowl since they have been there done that 3 out of the last 4 yrs. and how will Tressel handle the night outs with the players.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:42:34 PM)
Doggie asks about OSU player complacency with the Fiesta Bowl 3rd time in 4 years ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:43:18 PM)
I have been impressed with the lip service to date. A.J. Hawk and the rest aren't allowing any slippage. I don't think that will be an issue. These guys are hardcore. They're about winning and going out on top.

Hicks74 (Dec 15, 2005 1:43:29 PM)
How much do you see the glut of receivers affecting Ray Small's decision to OSU since he would rather play WR than CB ? Negative affect like Wes Lyons ?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:44:41 PM)
You say there is a glut, but beyond Gonzalez, Ginn and maybe Roy Hall, who in that group has done anything at the college level? As I see it, Small would come in on equal footing. And, after what I saw at camp and in games last year, I'd think he'd have as good a chance to play as anybody. Maybe I'm wrong, I dunno.

buckmark (Dec 15, 2005 1:44:52 PM)
Steve, I could just be ignorant, but why is it that the admissions are so much more difficult at tOSU? Is it true acroos the board that it is more difficult to get in than other schoools like MSU, UM, PSU, Minn, etc.? Or is it just that way for athletes?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:47:05 PM)
I'm not sure why they have tightened admissions so much. There are fewer students attending Ohio State now. It's just a bragging rights thing for academicians to say "our incoming board score average is higher than yours" and so forth. Plus, they have cut back on special dispensations for athletes because they know they desperately need to boost the graduation rate and work on the (initially sagging) APR rate. I think APR will ultimately be fine. It said a lot that they were 9-2, won the Big Ten and 55 guys got a 3.0. They're getting it done in both places.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:48:01 PM)
I assume higher standards for your incoming freshman class and student body as a whole helps the school when it competes with places like Cal, NW or other schools for public and private grant money. This is, after all, a research university.

Guest (Dec 15, 2005 1:48:13 PM)
Steve, first time chatter here. Will we be seing weekly updates for the b-ball recruits like we do for the football recruits?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:48:30 PM)
Buzzbuck asks about weekly updates for bkb recruits ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:49:27 PM)
Yes, that is the plan. I spent an afternoon downloading the schedules of Oden/Conley, Cook, Lighty, Hunter, Diebler, Offutt and Mullens. Now I need to format them. We want to provide a running tab after every game with scores and point totals. Give me a week and I hope to have it up and running.

Hicks74 (Dec 15, 2005 1:49:50 PM)
Still concerned on lack of OL. I keep hearing same 5-6 names as likely commits but we have heard that on getting Brown or Boren ie, but no backup plan thus losing Thomas and Nagy. I think we assume too much that we are the only apple in these recruits eyes !

Hicks74 (Dec 15, 2005 1:49:54 PM)
Any backup plan in case Browning says "No" ?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:50:57 PM)
You raise some great points. It all starts up front. They finally get the OL depth where they want it. But now they lose 3 guys (Mangold, Tyree and Sims) and only have 1 to replace him so far (Smith). Browning would make 2. I think they need some help there.

buckofive (Dec 15, 2005 1:51:05 PM)
Hey Steve, Just joined the chat. Sorry if this has been asked, but any good news along the recruiting front admist all this negativity on the message boards? What can we look forward to with the upcoming quiet dates? TIA

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:52:51 PM)
Just try and stay positive. Focus on the 4 or 5 guys we feel pretty good about, I guess. My experience is that little happens between 12/18-1/2. The coaches are busy with heavy bowl prep; the kids have holiday break and there are no official visits. You'll get a stray verbal thrown in there every once in a while. Things heat up again around the A-A Game, which is 1/7 this year. We'll have Gary H. down there to provide gavel-to-gavel coverage of the seniors and the junior combine, too.

buckmark (Dec 15, 2005 1:53:12 PM)
I am too young to have noticed, but was there ever a time when Woody was afforded a certain leeway because of his success and how long do you think it will take JT to earn that same leeway? It seems that there are still a large number of critics who don't believe, even though there is a pretty impressive track record being built, that Tress can get it done in both recruiting and performance on the field.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:53:59 PM)
Woody was on his way out if they didn't deliver in 1954 ... and they won it all. Tressel won it all in year 2 and came back this year with his second Big Ten title. The key thing -- at least in terms of his job status -- is to watch the contract talks. ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:54:50 PM)
There is a provision that he and OSU can mutually agree on a 3-year extension by 3/1/06. He is signed through 2008 now. I expect news on that after signing day. I know he believes he is here for the long haul.

buckmark (Dec 15, 2005 1:54:59 PM)
What are you hearing about the ticket sales in Tempe? In 2003 it was like being in Columbus with the amount of Buckeye fans as opposed to Miami. Not sure about 2004 with K-state. Do you hear that there will be an overwhelmng crowd for either team?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 1:56:05 PM)
I need to contact OSU for an update on that. Each school got 16,000 tickets. ND had over 40,000 applications for its seats. Not sure how many OSU entertained. Sounds to me like the crowd will be close to 50-50 or maybe ever so slightly favoring ND. The atmosphere should be electric in that stadium on game night.

Hicks74 (Dec 15, 2005 1:56:26 PM)
Was it normal, or an extra heavy hit on the numbers, and the way we were hit on losing the numbers we did ala Underwood, Hiley, Irizarry, Guilford, Lenix, Maupin et al . Should we relax or is that normal ?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:00:54 PM)
No, I think you'll find over the years that kind of attrition (roughly 15-20 percent) is normal. Various reasons -- academics, playing time, off-the-field problems.

edbuck51 (Dec 15, 2005 2:00:57 PM)
What do you expect from John Kerr next year?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:01:57 PM)
Everybody has counted him out. I imagine he will push somebody at OLB. You hope he has that kind of Preston Harrison senior year where he makes some things happen after what's been kind of a quiet run up until now. Maybe big on special teams, push the starters, step in and play dynamite if somebody gets hurt.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:02:17 PM)
Or could push at MLB, too, but that is shaping up as a Hoobler/D'Andrea war.

Hicks74 (Dec 15, 2005 2:02:25 PM)
Ryan Hamby ....recovering ? I think we should rest him another couple of months. Liking what I see of Frost.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:02:29 PM)
Ha ha ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:03:56 PM)
But seriously, if Hamby can play and provide some decent run blocking or whatever, that would be great. This is kind of like Lydell Ross at the Alamo Bowl last year. After what has been just a forgettable year for him on so many levels, you hope he can finish it on a high note.

Dingbuck (Dec 15, 2005 2:04:17 PM)
See, Steve, even during this chat there is almost a panic about recruiting. Do we really believe (short-sighted as we be) that tressel and co. don't have a plan and suddenly are at loss what to do? Scrambling? I am not so sure.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:05:31 PM)
Well, they don't call it the recruiting process for nothing. It is a process. Sometimes you discover kids early and stay with him; sometimes you discover them late and come on like a house of fire. Just get some guys that help you beat Michigan and you're gonna be just fine.

buckmark (Dec 15, 2005 2:05:39 PM)
Any news out of practice on new wrinkles for ND? Putting Tyree on the line against UM turned out to be a great move that I don't belive Michigan was prepared for. Anything we might expect to see in Teme?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:06:24 PM)
No, I think they will let it all hang out. That's what we're hearing. That's not to say gadget plays because I think Tressel has run about 4 of those in 5 years. But just free wheeling and letting Smith create. He has really evolved.

edbuck51 (Dec 15, 2005 2:06:28 PM)
Didn't Joe Thomas not get an offer because OSU gave early offers to Boren, Smith and Brown?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:06:52 PM)
I guess. But I know they liked him at camp. Some people said academics may have factored there as well. I'm not sure about that.

buckmark (Dec 15, 2005 2:06:57 PM)
Are there any players you would give us more than a 50% chance of bringing in outside the Glenville trio?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:07:41 PM)
Larimore, though it sounds like he is kind of conflicted. Beyond that, I honestly can't project anybody. These kids don't go out of their way to name favorites any more, that is for sure.

buckmark (Dec 15, 2005 2:07:55 PM)
How do you see the Big 10 faing in their bowl games? Who has the toughest shot at winning? Wisconsin?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:08:54 PM)
Michigan lifts the lid on 12/28 at the Alamo. First non-January bowl for the Wolves since 1995 (ahhhhh). I think they beat Nebraska comfortably.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:09:26 PM)
Minnesota v. Virginia in the Music City Bowl. I'll take Maroney to trample the Cavs. The Gophers win this game every year, don't they?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:09:58 PM)
UCLA-NW in the Sun Bowl. The heartless Bruins .... Hmmm. Should be a lot of points. Herbie loves NW, so do I.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:10:30 PM)
Outback, Florida-Iowa. Ought to be a great game. I'll take Florida. They embarrassed FSU.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:11:09 PM)
Auburn-Wisconsin in the Cap One. Go Auburn all the way. Too tough. Ground Alvarez won't be able to get it done in his last game.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:11:49 PM)
And you know where I'm picking on OSU-ND. Heck, I picked them against Michigan last year and against Miami in the Fiesta.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:12:13 PM)
So the Big Ten will need OSU to salvage Jan. 2, but could go 4-2.

Guest (Dec 15, 2005 2:12:18 PM)
Will Bobby Carpenter play? ...and should he, given his lay-off?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:12:31 PM)
MegaWoody asks about Carpenter's status ....

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:13:25 PM)
His rehab is coming along nicely. They will evaluate him when they get to Arizona. If he is able to run without pain or restriction, they will make a decision. If it has not properly healed, he will not play. That decision will not be made until 12/28 or thereabouts. ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:13:58 PM)
And, yes, even if he is close to 100 percent and it's determined he can do no further damage, he should play. He brings so much to the table. But those are two gigantic ifs.

Guest (Dec 15, 2005 2:14:11 PM)
Any other big time hoops games being scheduled for next year that you know of... i think i read we will play cincy and duke... we really need to use Oden's one year to turn us into a consistent national draw/power.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:14:27 PM)
expresblfc asks about more bkb games besides Cincinnati next year ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:17:12 PM)
I would assume Iowa State comes to OSU and there was talk of a Christmastime game at UCLA. You can rest assured they will get a draw that could be over their heads a bit in the ACC event (remember, this team will be 4 freshmen, Butler, Twig, Mayes and Lewis, for the most part). UNC or Duke early next year may be too much. Maybe by season's end they can compete with teams like that. They are probably in an exempted tourney somewhere as well.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:17:34 PM)
The deals with St. Joe's and LSU should be complete.

buckofive (Dec 15, 2005 2:17:46 PM)
In Diebler's first two games he had 40 points against Fostoria and 33 against Cin. ST X.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:17:51 PM)
Good to hear.

worthbuck12 (Dec 15, 2005 2:18:01 PM)
does the Bball team have the depth to win 25+ games when it comes time to play the big ten?

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:19:18 PM)
Great question. They seem to be a 7-1/2 man team. The seven are Dials, Butler, Foster, Sullinger, Lewis, Mayes and Sylvester. The half if Twig. Harris and Bell only seem to get mop-up time. You don't know what you're getting from one game to the next with Harris and Sylvester ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:20:23 PM)
I think Sullinger has become the de facto four man, kind of like Singleton was in 99. Dials is down now, but I just look at the back of his baseball card and see how consistent he has been the last 2 years and know he'll be there come Big Ten season. ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:22:08 PM)
Now that they're 6-0, we are racheting up the expectation level from 21-22 wins toward 25. That's heady stuff indeed. I think they have it in them to do it, but it is going to be a grind. With such little depth, they have to take breaks at points in the game. They will have lulls, allowing good teams to put them away late and crappy teams to hang around. They should be in every game they play. Last Sat. was huge to beat the defending A-10 champs on their floor. This Sat. is just as big at Iowa State.

buckmark (Dec 15, 2005 2:22:31 PM)
I see the crowds for basketball have been running around 12000. In the schott that doesn't seem like much, but compared to a lot of other places, it is really pretty good early season numbers. I see other schools (I Iive in AL and they get less than 5000 even though they are a top 20 team) with a lot less. It can only get better come conference play and the team continues to perform.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:23:27 PM)
I think they'd draw better if they had realistic ticket prices for some of these games, particularly with no students around. Who wants to pay $13, $18 or $25 for Norfolk State or Belmont? I saw tickets exchanged for little more than $3-4 outside the game last night ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:24:24 PM)
They should consider it a good marketing plan. Drop the price for games like those to $8 or $10, have a good concession deal (instead of $3.50 for a pop and $5.50 for a pizza) and get 17,000-18,000 people in there. Show them a good game like last night ...

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:24:57 PM)
And entice them to come back and pay full price in Jan. and Feb. They announced 12K for these two games, weren't more than 8K-9K in there either night, though.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:25:25 PM)
And to simply not promote tonight's OSU-LSU game is criminal. They made one stinking announcement about it BEFORE last night's game when nobody was even there.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:25:33 PM)
Don't get me started.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:26:47 PM)
Geiger said for years "It's hard to promote 35 sports." Then why try? Promote the ones that have ticket sale potential, I say. They drew 19,100 last year for OSU-PSU women at the end of the year. They should have had that tonight, although the weather is suspect at best (spitting sleet and rain, likely turning to ice ... be careful on the roads).

buckmark (Dec 15, 2005 2:27:37 PM)
I understand Dials has had some off the court setbacks (girlfriend and kid) that have to be effecting his play. Hopefully he can pull out of it as we need him to perform to have success in conference. Terwilliger has shown good progress, but will get abused duing league play.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:29:18 PM)
That could be. I hope all is well and he isn't troubled by anything away from the floor. That's his business. He just seems to be worn down. He isn't doing himself any favors sleepwalking through games like he did last night. He's been out of position most of the year and, consequently, in foul trouble most of the way so far. Agreed on Twig, he's coming along. Buried two long jumpers. If he can extend defenses, that will allow the slashers like Lewis and Sullinger to attack the basket.

worthbuck12 (Dec 15, 2005 2:30:06 PM)
yeah, i just wonder if the lack of depth behind t dials will catch up to them later on in the year

Hicks74 (Dec 15, 2005 2:30:14 PM)
We shouldn't be talking hoops until the bowl game is over UNLESS we have an ANTONIO GATES on the roster LOL !

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:30:18 PM)
Ha ha.

SteveHelwagen (Dec 15, 2005 2:30:46 PM)
Hey guys I gotta run today. Look for Gary Housteau to Chat tomorrow and NevadaBuck at 1 p.m. Eastern on Monday. So long!

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