Helwagen Chat: Feb. 2 Archive

Here are the excerpts of Thursday's Chat with Bucknuts.com managing editor Steve Helwagen. Duane Long will host a Chat on Monday.

murphdawg (Feb 2, 2006 3:05:51 PM)
Anymore early offers?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:09:04 PM)
Hearing some rumblings maybe another Cincinnati Colerain player, Eugene Clifford, but we want to confirm it.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:09:33 PM)
Ohio is loaded at the skill positions. I know it doesn't work this way but maybe they could sign several of them and trade them to a school somewhere for some offensive linemen (ha ha).

buckgrad (Feb 2, 2006 3:09:41 PM)
Steve, great 06 class for the Bucks! Now we need to hope that everyone is alright accademically. What are you hearing? Is everyone going to be ok, or should we worry about 1 or 2.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:10:31 PM)
I think it may go into the spring on a couple of the players, probably most notable would be Ray Small and Thaddeus Gibson. But those 2 guys have their heads screwed on straight (from what I see) and should be able to get it done ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:10:52 PM)
I like the high GPA guys they got with Miller, Browning, Homan, Olson, etc. That's a nice blend.

KevboA22 (Feb 2, 2006 3:11:01 PM)
Anything you can tell us about our first commit Oliver?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:12:57 PM)
Nate Oliver from Lakewood St. Edward is a great athlete. Known mostly as a safety, around 6-0, 195, probably be 205 by the time he gets to college and is just a solid football player. On some of the video we have posted he repped at tailback when Edmonds got hurt and did a bang-up job there, too. He can play. I think the OSU coaches got the tape in, surveyed what they were looking for and I imagine Heacock, Beckman and Haynes said we need this guy and that's why he got the early offer. Says a lot because Duane thinks there are 8-10 good to great DBs in the state next year.

rbuck (Feb 2, 2006 3:13:06 PM)
Hi Steve, Did I see that Kyle thinks that if the NCAA would levi an additional year penalty b4 the tourney that OSU would appeal? If so would that mean they lose Oden & Co.?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:14:37 PM)
Well, it is a tricky situation, no doubt. The hearing with the NCAA should be the next few days and a decision should be out sometime in March. The NCAA field is announced March 12. If the ruling comes down after that and they get another year -- which I don't think is likely -- it would apply to 2006-07. Then, OSU has vowed it would appeal or seek court action to overturn it. I think they have a big enough window before school ends in June to get that figured out. ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:15:26 PM)
Mike Conley Sr. is the guy kind of behind the scenes mentoring his son and Greg Oden. He seems very reasonable and the staff has open lines of communication there. My thought is they would reserve judgment until such time that they HAVE to make a move. Just wait-and-see right now.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:15:41 PM)
But it is a house of cards, potentially.

buckman (Feb 2, 2006 3:16:35 PM)
Steve, when will the next issue of Ohio High be out?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:17:11 PM)
We just sent one to the printer that should be out by Feb. 15. It recaps the football season, previews the tourney, etc. and has a ton of nice recruiting features, etc.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:18:17 PM)
The next one, due out April 15, will have Duane's first top 100 bios for the 2007 class. That one is the can't-miss issue and we'll have ordering info up as soon as possible on that. We are actually in a state of flux right now with Ohio High as we figure out whether we will retain publishing of that or keep it with Scout. When we get everything solidified, we will advise.

murphdawg (Feb 2, 2006 3:18:24 PM)
Speaking of offensive lineman, do you think Bollman and co. feel a sense of urgency to step up the OL recruiting this year and land some oos blue chippers?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:19:17 PM)
Coach Tressel did not sound that urgent about it. He said he wanted one more WR, if they could have done it. But to me, with Downing and Datish leaving and Barton a junior this coming year, they need the next wave in the pipeline. They probably need 3 or 4 if the numbers allow in the next class ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:20:01 PM)
Problem is, Duane doesn't see it in Ohio. So they may need to go hunting outside the state or they'll be back where they were in 2000-01 where they had no OL depth at all in a year or two. You get a couple of key injuries and that can bog down your offense.

rbuck (Feb 2, 2006 3:20:05 PM)
What can you say about the talk of Tom Lemming trying to persuade Myron Rolle to the Domers?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:20:57 PM)
Well, that's Myron's take and he is entitled to his say and his opinion. Lemming is couching it by saying the questions he was asking were legit. I've been in Lemming's shoes, calling kids, although nobody has ever accused me of recruiting for or against anybody and I never want to be in that spot ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:22:01 PM)
We are vigilant in saying up front we are not here to "assist" Ohio State's recruiting efforts. We simply want to report on the developments as they transpire. For years, Lemming has been accused of having an ND bias. Short of living in Chicago, an hour or so from South Bend, I do not know what his tie to ND may be. ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:22:46 PM)
I guarantee you after these public floggings, Lemming will be on the straight and narrow going forward. NBC and the Army people use him as well as our people at Scout to select the players for that game. We'll have to see what happens with that going forward.

Dingbuck (Feb 2, 2006 3:22:56 PM)
Steve, two into four equals two, right? So, coaches who have the experience of Tressel and co. know that two OL and two TE's, who can start out at TE but will probably end up on the OL, equal four and the uproar over OLinemen is for naught. Thoughts?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:24:31 PM)
Well, John Peterson was adamant yesterday that Miller and Ballard will be tight ends first and foremost. But a lot can happen in 4-5 years. We've seen Mike Gurr and R.J. Coleman and others make that move back and forth from TE to OL, etc. They don't have a lot of depth at TE anyway with just Frost and Nicol and maybe Brandon Smith.

buckeyeinsaline (Feb 2, 2006 3:24:43 PM)
Steve, Now that 2006 is behind us, what positions and players are early offers by the Buckeyes for 2007?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:26:51 PM)
The positions I see as heavy needs are WR, OL, DL. The early offers in Ohio are Martin, Oliver, Evege. There may be more in the pipeline like Torrence (once he takes the entrance test) and Eugene Clifford, etc.

buckgrad (Feb 2, 2006 3:27:06 PM)
Steve, I looked over our 03 class and noticed that only 8 of them will be on the roster in 06. I asked this same question last year at about this time, is this the year that the class of 03 (class with Irizary and whitner) catches up with us and hurts us, or do you think we will be ok? Thanks

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:28:26 PM)
Well, when you have a vacuum of 4-year senior leadership it hurts. That's what happened in 1999, when Katz and Boston left early. They went in the tank. I don't see that happening this year because of Troy Smith, Ginn, Gonzo, Pittman, Pitcock, in particular.

kleintime16 (Feb 2, 2006 3:28:37 PM)
Hey Steve, what do you think are the chances that we get WR Deonte Thompson out of Belle Glades next year

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:29:52 PM)
I am skeptical. Would help if Dukes gets out of the dog house and performs and gets on TV to where Deonte says, "Yeah, that's my guy up at O-State." Holmes may or may not be acquainted with Thompson. But you know Miami, Fla. and FSU will put on the fullcourt press. It is rare that OSU gets one of Florida's top 10 prospects. Most of the guys they get down there are ranked 20th and below in the state.

Dingbuck (Feb 2, 2006 3:29:57 PM)
36 three pointers? Are you kidding me? I played college ball and that is unbelievable and yet Matta seems content with that. I just can't see how you can advance far if we do that. Dials 14 pts and then one or two touches in the second half vs. Iowa? I am old school that you pound it inside. Game has changed. Thoughts

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:31:16 PM)
Yeah, you make some valid observations. Florida A&M played a lot of bad zone, so there were openings all over the perimeter, but nothing really for Dials inside. The coach said we wanted to hold Dials under 10, and they did that. He admitted they did not count on Sullinger going apebleep, but he did. 19 points in the first half? He hadn't had that many points in Big Ten play, hardly. ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:32:28 PM)
They have some issues. I think they need to find ways to take heat off Dials. They leave him to get open on his own. As I've said, they need cross screens to help free him up on the block where he can make an easy catch, turn and score. He has come such a long way from 2002. But he's not a completely finished product. He is kind of limited at times. But they need to ride him.

Guest (Feb 2, 2006 3:32:37 PM)
Steve, What will be the place kicking situation next year and beyond?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:32:45 PM)
MacAuley asked about place kicking ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:33:57 PM)
That is a tough question. Probably takes a hit with them maybe using both guys (like Huston and Nuge in 01) until they settle on one at midseason. I am actually hearing that about a lot of the defensive positions as well. It's pretty much between Pettrey and Pretorius. Didn't get a chance to ask about Skeete. Rumor was he was back on squad as a walk-on as well and has to re-earn his ride.

MacAuley (Feb 2, 2006 3:34:11 PM)
Steve - Thanks for your time today. Sorry if this has already been addressed. Do Evenge and Torrance have offers already? Do you think they will verbal soon?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:35:12 PM)
Evege has an offer from OSU and also one from WVU, I believe. There have been some Wayne guys play at WVU, so that's the connection there. The word I hear is he wants to wait until the summer to decide. I was told they can't offer Torrence until he takes the entrance test. He may not have taken one yet.

Guest (Feb 2, 2006 3:36:40 PM)
Steve, do you think a recruit loses a little value when he commits as a Junior or early on in the process like Coleman this year?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:36:54 PM)
Keato asked if recruits lose value if they verbal early ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:38:18 PM)
Yeah, the experts who rank players deny it, but I think some of that happens. They get paid to generate excitement and hits and sales on their recruiting coverage. If 50 of the top 100 commit before Aug. 1, that limits the number of kids they can "sell" and kids that people truly care about. So I imagine, anybody in that second 50 who commits early is in danger of falling out like Coleman did. He had a GREAT senior year by all accounts. ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:39:36 PM)
This is what drives me up a wall about these rankings. Only USC had more top-100s than OSU. OSU had 7 of 20 in the top 100. Then Grant was a 5-star JUCO and Ballard and Coleman were former top-100 picks. To me, that's the equivalent of 10 top-125 players. And they somehow end up ranked behind Auburn with 2 top-100 guys? Whatever they're feeding that computer, it needs an overhaul.

CTBUCK (Feb 2, 2006 3:39:51 PM)
Steve - From what I read, it seems that OSU handled the Chichester situation horribly - what is your take on it?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:41:09 PM)
You know, there are 2 sides to every story. Coach Cox makes it sound like they had a cavalier attitude about signing Josh. Maybe they did. I was not privy to their phone calls. However, it's clear to me that when they didn't have Josh in for a visit after his first semester grades were posted, it was time for him to look elsewhere. Nobody can give you specifics on it ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:43:21 PM)
The thought is they took his verbal on the condition he work "up" in the first semester and improve his profile. I have no idea if he did or didn't do that. Cox thinks he will be fine by the end of the school year, which he may well be. I was told one other school in the region examined the situation and reported back to Josh/Cox they would have to take a pass. OSU was also in on some other higher ranked at-risk players (Gibson and Small, at the least). Perhaps they simply had to prioritze which ones they wanted to go to bat for. Again, all total speculation but plausible. ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:44:39 PM)
The whole thing is unfortunate. I think Gene Smith and Coach Tressel will be seeking some solutions to these situations so they do not crop up again in the future. Coach Tressel's track record in academics is pretty sturdy. My guess is they will be churning out a bunch of graduates in the months and years ahead, and that should help his capital in such matters going forward.

buckman (Feb 2, 2006 3:44:47 PM)
Some day a kid is gonna tape record Lemming, and then he will be history

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:45:19 PM)
And I think because of that Lemming will watch his P's and Q's from now on. He'd be crazy not to. There is a reason he isn't at ESPN any more and they turned on him so harshly.

Guest (Feb 2, 2006 3:45:39 PM)
Do you feel that recruiting rb's could be difficult with the addition of Wells? It seemed like that happened when MoC came.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:46:01 PM)
j5topdogg asks about RB recruiting with Chris Wells in the fold ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:47:42 PM)
Yes, it did suffer once Clarett was on campus. They probably still need 1-2 tailbacks next year just to keep the depth at the right level. TB recruiting is like QB recruiting. Ask Texas, which will now suffer for a year or so at that position because of Vince Young's immense shadow. But OSU needs to work the problem. McKinley's Morgan Williams, Winton Woods' Hosea Simpson and others would love to be at OSU, I imagine, if given the chance.

buckman (Feb 2, 2006 3:47:56 PM)
NBC could care less since they have a HUGE monetary interest in seeing ND do well.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:48:35 PM)
You make a good point. They probably view having Lemming on the selection committee as a good thing because it helps them promote ND. I was told the Scout guys were perplexed over how some of the ND verbals made the squad.

CTBUCK (Feb 2, 2006 3:48:45 PM)
Steve, I saw where USC rec'd a 5 star verbal for '07 yesterday, and that Oliver is "only" a 1 star....Is Oliver's a true rating?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:49:44 PM)
No, that is not a true rating. It looks to me like Scout went in and assigned some stars to maybe 30-50 guys they think/know will be top guys next year. They have, in no way shape or form, taken their position rankings down to 30 spots at every position and done the kind of exhaustive ratings that will come out later in the spring.

murphdawg (Feb 2, 2006 3:50:00 PM)
Steve, any rumblings a/b any coaches leaving for better jobs this offseason? Also, when does winter conditioning begin?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:50:38 PM)
Nothing to report on the coaching front, maybe after Super Bowl as some of the 10 new NFL coaches fill their staffs and either those teams or the colleges that lost guys may come calling. ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:51:43 PM)
Players are already lifting 4 days a week. This is one of their most intensive lifting times of the year as they want to build that strength base. They will go through the 4-week 6 a.m. conditioning regimen probably starting in the next 2-3 weeks leading up to the end of winter quarter.

hondo (Feb 2, 2006 3:51:48 PM)
Steve, which recruit is the Chris Wells of Ohio in 2007?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:52:24 PM)
Ben Martin, the DE from Cincinnati LaSalle. Clear No. 1. Difference making DE. Runs like a deer, covers kickoffs for goodness sakes at like 6-5, 250 or 260.

PABuck (Feb 2, 2006 3:52:30 PM)
Steve, I assume DT be a primary area for recruiting next year. Who are some of the early top recruits OSU will look at?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:53:47 PM)
Yeah, since they missed on Peters here at the end, that could be a key area next year. Maybe Nick Schepsis from Walsh Jesuit could get a look there. Duane really doesn't see any impact DTs in Ohio.

FlaBuck (Feb 2, 2006 3:53:59 PM)
I thought Ben Martin was a heavy ND lean?

TheKaiser21 (Feb 2, 2006 3:54:02 PM)
Is he a ND lean? questions about OSU's chances with him and Oglesby

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:56:03 PM)
No, last I heard it is 50-50 between OSU and ND for Martin. Have not talked to anybody personally about Oglesby. One report says he says ND is clearly one of his top choices. I imagine he takes his time, makes some visits and sorts it out that way. getting him to OSU for camp, a game and/or a visit will be critical. See if Doc Tresel can continue his Upper Midwest magic. That guy is underrated as a recruiter. He beat UM for Larimore.

Hicks74 (Feb 2, 2006 3:56:18 PM)
Steve - Your feeling on Derrell Johnson - Do you think he will end up as a "walk on" ?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:57:38 PM)
Derrell told Dave Biddle he would strongly consider that option if no scholarships are offered. The problem is, as Bill Conley said in his Chat on Monday, Derrell needs to gain admissions to Ohio State. If we all agree he merits a scholarship on athletic ability and potential as a college player, then he would have one if he is eligible and/or gets admitted to the university ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 3:59:20 PM)
But if he can't gain admission, they don't just simply let you in because you show up with a check and say "I want to walk on to the football team." It does not work that way. My guess is we won't know anything until June. Let him finish the school year, get his GPA where it needs to be, take the tests several more times, etc. and then let the powers that be at OSU make an informed decision about whether he can have a spot via admissions or not. There are 1-3 scholarships available. Would then be a coaching decision as to whether he TRULY merits one or not. ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:00:03 PM)
This staff has shown it will make the tough call when it has to. There was some pressure to get another legacy in this class and they bit their lip and didn't take him. This is their call football-wise if everything checks out academically.

buckeyeinsaline (Feb 2, 2006 4:00:41 PM)
Steve, Looks like I will get to see the two of the top 10 Michigan Scout.com 2007 class when Orchard Lake St. Marys scrimages Saline in Mid August. My son is a Junior FB with Saline (Michigan). Helmuth of Saline is early commit to Michigan. Should be interesting.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:01:17 PM)
Yep, with Paul Haynes on staff and his ties to Michigan, I think OSU would do well to maintain a presence up there and at that school in particular. St. Mary's churns the talent.

Pastor Jack (Feb 2, 2006 4:01:26 PM)
Contrary to what some has stated about this class, There IS speed across the class. What is your take on this? Do you also feel that we have recruited slow guys or do you agree with Coach T that we have outstanding speed coming to Columbus?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:02:38 PM)
I was plesantly surprised when I did the bios for the signing day tracker about the speed of this class up and down the board. Again, reported 40 times, there is no clearinghouse for accurate info on that stuff. That's why OSU wants those guys in their camp where they can time them. Schwartz, in particular, earned a spot not because his dad played here but because he did well at the camp and showed them his speed, etc.

redondo (Feb 2, 2006 4:02:48 PM)
Steve - Did the staff address in any way, even subtley, the different way the general process of recruiting unfolded this year - meaning the lack of visits for games and the targeting of a smaller number of players? And, any indication of any change next year? Thank you.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:03:38 PM)
No, I think they're happy with how they do it. They like smaller groups. They did away with the mass one basketball game junior day and have spread it over the last game, this one vs. Minnesota, Illinois, Michigan and so on. That allows them to better host 7-8 kids each weekend.

Hicks74 (Feb 2, 2006 4:03:56 PM)
Steve - Don't want to get hung up on stars** too much but the DB's had 3-4 DB's with only two stars. Who do you really like in spite of the two stars out of Chekwi, Schwartz and Gant and who do you think was a questionable signing of the 3 ?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:04:50 PM)
On Schwartz, I want to see how he does as a full-time defensive player. He played QB out of necessity and they didn't let him play defense as a junior. He was dinged up a bit. I don't know much about Gant but like what I have heard. Go watch Chekwa's tape, big cover corner all over the receivers on the tape I saw. Wow.

TheKaiser21 (Feb 2, 2006 4:05:00 PM)
Seems like they don't push the ball and take advantage of the 4 guard lineup Matta plays ala Illinois last year. Seems they could exploit teams that way, walking the ball up with 4 guards on the floor with less than stellar half court sets seems pointless.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:05:28 PM)
Well, Matta likes what he likes, I guess. I watched Illinois last night and when they settled into halfcourt, their spacing was incredible.

buckmark (Feb 2, 2006 4:05:33 PM)
Do you see any way for the scholarship numbers to get up around 20-22 next year. I remember Tress wanting to get classes to balance out, but it doesn't seem ike there is much chance of that happening next year.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:06:12 PM)
They will start with 14 or 15. Ginn would make it maybe 16. Not sure if any other juniors would jump. I'm sure with injuries, etc. it will get up around 18 or so by a year from now.

PABuck (Feb 2, 2006 4:06:26 PM)
Steve, what are your predictions on the 2 open DB slots (with Jenkins starting at one CB and Mitchell at FS). I've heard great things about Andre Amos and expect O'Neal to win the battle for the SS slot.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:07:08 PM)
Three spots are sewn for me: Jenkins at CB and O'Neal and Mitchell at safety. They need another CB to emerge. I like Brandon Underwood, big kid. But maybe Amos, Lane, Roberts or Coleman steal it this spring.

FlaBuck (Feb 2, 2006 4:07:19 PM)
I just wanted to say thanks Steve, you guys do a great job on your website. Especially for those of us buckeyes living out of state. Great Class,Go Bucks!

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:07:48 PM)
Appreciate it. Our staff pulled out all the stops yesterday. Great team effort. Ton of good content and much much much more on the way.

redondo (Feb 2, 2006 4:07:59 PM)
Steve - it seemed in years past that the start of winter workouts for the football team was covered. Have they discontiunued that practice, or did I miss the whole shebang? Thank you.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:08:16 PM)
They haven't started 6 a.m. yet. We may or may not be invited. That's their call entirely.

redondo (Feb 2, 2006 4:08:26 PM)
Steve - Off the main topics of roundball and oblong ball - Any cahnce of a report or two on the Scarlet Golf Course renovation? I hear it's more than just a refurbish what was there previously and that some serious renovation occurred. Thank you.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:09:04 PM)
The couple that passed away left $10 million for the golf course and golf programs. The project started at $2.5 million and is now up to $4 million. I will check on it. Great story idea.

passthebuck (Feb 2, 2006 4:09:08 PM)
Steve, your comments on Small and Gibson sound cautionary. Could they still be denied acceptance?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:09:22 PM)
No, I think they'll be OK there, provided they do what's been prescribed.

whio (Feb 2, 2006 4:09:33 PM)
Steve, how likely is it that Moeller ends up at safety? He looks like he could be a great one. Considering that, and next year being a good one for DB's in Oh., could we have taken one too many safeties in this class?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:10:04 PM)
Saw him today at the all-star game event and I think he may need to put on some LBs. He's just a great athlete who will find a way to make a difference. That's what he did at Colerain last 2 years.

Hicks74 (Feb 2, 2006 4:10:08 PM)
Steve - In your opinion do we need to start extra early for OOS O-Linemen. I still think people should prioritize that a little more...sorry. A lot of players like the early "love" as they call it.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:10:12 PM)
Yes, can

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:10:29 PM)
Can't start soon enough. Offer to Oglesby shows they are deadly serious about it.

buckmark (Feb 2, 2006 4:10:40 PM)
Did I hear correctly that Wisconsin lost a couple basketball players to academics? How does that impact the conference race and their torney hopes? How good is scUM? Are they playing over their heads right now or are they really a top tier team?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:11:52 PM)
Yes, two of their backups are missing and I think they've now lost 3 of 4. lost at home to Illinois Tuesday. I imagine Ryan will stablizie that eventually. Too good of a coach to see a team go into a prolonged tailspin. But it does impact the race. Michigan is very good. OSU still plays them twice, game up there is no sure thing. Win over MSU legitimizes them.

buckmark (Feb 2, 2006 4:12:04 PM)
Loved the way Tress stepped up the OOS recruiting. Was this because of a drop off of top talent for in state kids and did the passing of the Clarett saga also contribute?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:12:23 PM)
Great points. yes, I think they got everybody in Ohio they truly wanted except for maybe Boren.

buckman (Feb 2, 2006 4:12:30 PM)
Oglesby was at the Texas game and was very impressed, he is a HUGE O. Pace fan too.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:12:45 PM)
that's good, I'll have to cycle back through my notes and see if that name rings a bell.

mckbuckeye (Feb 2, 2006 4:12:51 PM)
What is the status of Freeman and DeAndrea at LB -- Fully healed?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:13:00 PM)
Yeah, I think both will be full-go for spring.

TheKaiser21 (Feb 2, 2006 4:13:06 PM)
Is small more explosive than Ginn II? or was that Ginn Sr. giving small the spotlight he deserves on signing day?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:13:30 PM)
He tracked the new verbal Oliver down from behind on a 60-yard run, came out of the picture and ran past 2 teammates to do it. He is special.

tflo999 (Feb 2, 2006 4:13:38 PM)
I wouldn't trade 95% of this class for 95% of any other class - the class rankings, I think, are misleading.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:13:43 PM)
Agreed wholeheartedly.

TheKaiser21 (Feb 2, 2006 4:13:48 PM)
Mitchell over Lyons?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:14:00 PM)
yes, heavens yes. Mitchell has 3 years of playing experience.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:14:07 PM)
Lyons has a few december practices.

TheKaiser21 (Feb 2, 2006 4:14:17 PM)
Why move him then?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:14:45 PM)
I don't honestly know, other than Ginn, Gonzo and Hall have the WRs spots covered and there are 2 openings at safety.

Buckeye Sonny (Feb 2, 2006 4:14:50 PM)
Coach...wondering if you have heard anything about the possibility of us trying Haw at DB considering the loss of Ash and Whit. I know he played some in high school and it would be a shame to lose his burners on the field.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:15:10 PM)
That is a possibility. May experiment some there in the spring if everybody is healthy at TB. We'll see.

passthebuck (Feb 2, 2006 4:15:13 PM)
Who will likely emerge as next years DE's?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:15:52 PM)
Patterson is listed, but I bet they'd like to put him at DT next to Pitcock and hope that Richardson (you are now on the clock), Barrow, Wilson, Worthington and Gholston and maybe Rose can handle it.

PABuck (Feb 2, 2006 4:15:56 PM)
Obviously losing Mangold and Sims hurts, but I can't remember having a deeper, more athletic OL than we'll have in 2006, with either Datish or Cordle at Center and then Datish or Rehring filling in at Guard.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:16:22 PM)
Agreed, other than this past year with 4 starters back and others who had played, this is the best situation they have been in probably back to 98 or 99.

mckbuckeye (Feb 2, 2006 4:16:33 PM)
Is Penton still in the picture?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:16:45 PM)
Yes, he's still there and will battle for the open DT spot as well.

Buckeye Sonny (Feb 2, 2006 4:17:39 PM)
do you see tressel doing what he did with Kudla...a linebacker out of high school moved to DE with any of the 5 LB's in this recruiting class, and if so who do you think might make that move to DE

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:18:35 PM)
I'm not sure who that would be. None of these LBs are anywhere close to the size Kudla was (probably 240 or better) coming out of preps. They are all light and may need a RS year to get to the 225-230 range. I don't think any of the prep guys are "needed" this year anyway.

mckbuckeye (Feb 2, 2006 4:18:39 PM)
What is the QB outlook after this season? Is Beckman the guy? If so, should he get more mop up time that Zwick this season?

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:19:31 PM)
Duane says it will be Schoenhoft or Henton. Conley says don't expect to see Zwick and they'll try and get the next guy ready. My feeling is if something happened to Troy (injury or his own doing ... egads) Zwick would have to play. ...

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:20:05 PM)
Great three-man race for spring of 2007. I like Boeckman, but Schoenhoft really impressed them. Henton came on like gangbusters with the playoff run. Just watch him.

Hicks74 (Feb 2, 2006 4:20:12 PM)
Steve - Who is the most ornery O-Lineman ? Downing strikes me as a mean SOB. I think very underrated. Datish was a pleasant surprise this year too. I was not high on him but he looked decent at LT which is not easy....glad I was wrong there.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:20:36 PM)
Downing, Barton and Boone are all ornery. Boone maybe more mischievous. Datish finally showed the mean streak.

SteveHelwagen (Feb 2, 2006 4:21:08 PM)
Guys, my daughter has bkb practice across town, gotta run. It's been a slice. Gary may try and wedge in a Chat tomorrow and Duane will be here Monday.

PABuck (Feb 2, 2006 4:21:26 PM)
Thanks Steve

kleintime16 (Feb 2, 2006 4:21:26 PM)
thanks steve

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