Helwagen Chat: April 14 Archive

Here are excerpts from Friday's Chat session with Bucknuts.com managing editor Steve Helwagen. NevadaBuck will host a Chat next Friday at 1 p.m., while Helwagen will have one at approximately 6 p.m. on Sat., April 22, after the spring game.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 9:58:04 AM)
Steve, Local ESPN Radio station in AnnArbor morning talk show host Mike Wickett announced that he had evidence that Ohio State was overlooking Michigan this coming season and already chalking up a win. He supposedly had evidence to this but I was unable to hear what it was. Seems like BS to get people to call in, but I can't imagine ANYONE taking Michigan for granted despite JT's 4-1 verses Loyd Carr. Your THoughts?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 9:59:04 AM)
Yeah, he's just trying to stir up some trouble. Not sure what that evidence would be ... other than people already booking their trips (back) to Phoenix. I think Ohio State will continue its strong approach to this rivalry ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 9:59:27 AM)
Just when everybody thinks this will be a tough year for Carr with road trips to ND, PSU and OSU, watch them win 2 of the 3.

buckguy (Apr 14, 2006 9:59:31 AM)
think the new jerseys will be represented in the spring game?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:00:11 AM)
No, I do not. My guess is they will use the old ones. At the Spring Preview, the only one the school had they auctioned off for $5,000. I doubt Nike has all the names and numbers ready by next Sat.

James V. Prato (Apr 14, 2006 10:00:21 AM)
steve , what can we expect from B. Underwood this year?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:01:43 AM)
I don't know. I do not think he played in the scrimmage. I don't think he has ever gotten his shoulder situation squared away. He is not in the discussion at corner right now. The main names I heard mentioned the other day were Jenkins and Smith, then Washington, Amos and Roberts. No Welch, either. The ship is leaving port on that, I'm afraid.

rbuck (Apr 14, 2006 10:01:49 AM)
I know the defense has lost a lot, but can you remember a time where we were so deep at every position?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:03:31 AM)
Yeah, there seems to be good to great depth at QB, both RB spots, both WR spots, DE, LB, CB and safety. Depth is OK at TE and on the OL. There are bodies there at each spot who seem capable. Now they need to do it on the field. I'm not sure when Ohio State had this deep of a team. I'm sure one of their teams from the recent past would be close, maybe 2003 or 2002 or 1996 or 1997.

rbuck (Apr 14, 2006 10:03:37 AM)
Does Alex Boone start against N. Illinois, if not will he start against Texas?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:04:40 AM)
Tough question. I would imagine Tressel would hold him out of the lineup for at least the opener. But, provided he is eligible (and I don't know why he wouldn't be), I imagine he would still play against NIU. Then, if he earned the right to start against Texas, I imagine he would.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:04:47 AM)
Nevada Buck has us all in suspense on his season prediction coming Next Friday. What are your early thoughts? I'm an optimist with experience and I think we have the makings of a National Championship Run IF IF IF, Troy Smith stays focused.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:07:10 AM)
I just started plotting that out yesterday. I think I have 5 easy FG games (NIU, UC, Indiana, Illinois and BG), 4 testers (MSU, Minnesota, PSU and NW) and 3 long field goals (Texas, Iowa, UM). ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:07:28 AM)
My guess is with so much youth on defense there will be a loss somewhere along the way.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:07:59 AM)
Maybe at Iowa, just fits OSU's recent motif to lose a big conference night road game. They've done it 3 straight years.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:08:21 AM)
Steve, I know Conley was a good guy and recruiting was his job. BUT, It seems that this has gone well since he left and seems to actually be getting better despite the loss of a few key "wanna haves" the past two years. I'm optimistic on our recruiting eforts. Your thoughts?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:09:59 AM)
They are doing pretty well. Some of the guys people thought they reached on like Malcolm Jenkins (Rutgers and Va. Tech) and Anderson Russell (Duke), Brian Robiskie (not sure) seem to be panning out. They're getting kids who are winning games and graduating. What else do you want?

rbuck (Apr 14, 2006 10:10:16 AM)
Do we really have a shot at Brandon Saine? Everything I'm hearing out of Piqua is that it is Michigan all the way. It really makes sense, at OSU they have Pitt, Wells x2, and Haw...At ND they have Aldridge and a couple of others... but at Michigan it would just be Grady & Hart??

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:11:39 AM)
I have not spoken to Brandon myself, so it's hard for me to gauge a lot from his written comments. I don't have an inside source at Piqua telling me he is leaning one way or the other. I know whoever gets him will be getting a special player with a 200-pound frame and 4.4 speed in the 40. His tape speaks for itself and they play good competition, typically. Let's see what happens during the camp season with him.

hammbone1928 (Apr 14, 2006 10:11:46 AM)
I got disconnected, so I don't if you have already ansewered my question how many qb's & rb's do you think tosu will take & who will they be

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:11:55 AM)
No problem, I never saw it ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:13:14 AM)
I think they take one QB and at least one RB. I think they want the Ohio QBs, once again, to come to camp. They have or may offer some out of state QBs as well. I think if they offer Clay Belton, he's their guy. Kurt Coleman, his teammate, is already at OSU and he was at several games last year ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:15:02 AM)
In terms of RBs, everybody mentions Saine. But there are some others floating around they could also covet. Maybe a Daniel Herron from Harding (great video) or somebody from out of state. They will get a good one or they won't take one at all, I imagine.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:15:10 AM)
Steve, Great Story this morning on John Kerr on the board. I am now one of his fans. That's what it is all about. Doing what you WANT to do and being willing to pay for it.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:16:21 AM)
How about that? I did a radio interview with John yesterday that may be on an upcoming show and I, too, was struck by his story. Hear it in his words -- there is no better place to play college football in the country. Says a lot. I know I paid my own tuition too, but he is getting some fringe benefits out of it if you ask me (ha ha).

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:16:33 AM)
Dave did a great job with that story, by the way.

BuckeyesRule (Apr 14, 2006 10:16:36 AM)
Steve, speaking of Bill Conley, do you believe he will ever return to the coaching/recruiting ranks? The PAC-10 school for whom my godson plays running back lost its TE coach and recruiting coordinator to the NFL this past off season, and it struck me to be an ideal fit for BC.............your thoughts?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:17:26 AM)
It would have to be the right situation. I think he seriously thought about Minnesota, but turned it down. His friends and family are here. It would take a special place to get him to take the plunge and get back into it.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:17:29 AM)
Steve. Agree on the recruiting! They are doing an excellent job getting the RIGHT kids and winning with them. If anyone out there is not cherring for Jim Tresell by this time, Move to Michigan. :-)

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:18:32 AM)
People are worried about only one verbal now. But the thing is it will be another class in the 18 to 20 range and Ohio is loaded. They'll pinpoint who they want and probably pluck off 12 of the top 20 players in the state yet again. That's all they need to do and augment with players at need positions outside Ohio.

PigMan (Apr 14, 2006 10:18:38 AM)
Sorry if this has been covered, but I am hearing mixed signals about D'Andrea. Is he being held out because the leg is still giving him trouble or is it a precaution?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:19:53 AM)
I asked him if he had a setback and he said no. That tells me he is saving himself for the spring. I know he was not full-go during winter conditioning. Either he can go in the fall or he can't. He knows the defense. Fickell is pulling for him, we'll see what happens. He'd be a great addition if it works out. But for now, they are working with the guys they have on the field and Kerr is the one.

PigMan (Apr 14, 2006 10:19:59 AM)
So far as you have heard has anything changed on the depth chart since the start of spring practice?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:21:27 AM)
Probably not among the starters. The OL is kind of in a state of flux because I think Datish and Barton have been limited and Boone was disciplined. I think Saturday's scrimmage probably helped Bollman figure out who he can and can not depend on a little more from the rest, so some playing time may already be assigned in the back of his head ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:23:17 AM)
The TB depth chart still has Pittman No. 1 (he's doing some minor work, we understand). Mo Wells started the scrimmage and got some tough yards. Haw had the big run but dropped 2 passes. Chris Wells made a great first impression except for the fumble. Who do you move ahead of the rest there? That's a toughie. I'm sure Dick Tressel and Jim Tressel will make that call on who they thought was most consistent over the 15 days ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:23:59 AM)
It says a lot that Larry Grant and Ross Homan are in the two deep as backups at LB after 2-1/2 weeks on campus.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:24:24 AM)
That's about it, though. The end rotation is pretty much as it was and probably same in the secondary.

PigMan (Apr 14, 2006 10:24:28 AM)
What ever happened to Hoobler. I loved him his freshman year but it looks like he's burried on the depth chart? Any behind the scenes problems?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:26:19 AM)
It's clear something is up because he's not in the two-deep as mentioned by Fickell yesterday. I figured he'd be in line to start at MLB. Not sure what the hang-up is. He had a late hit penalty last Sat. and that may be an example of a dependability issue. But those things, you would think, can be corrected. I don't attend practice every day to know whether he is not taking coaching or learning the scheme. I can't make those judgments after seeing just one of their first 10 practices. But something is amiss. He was in line ... and now he's not.

James V. Prato (Apr 14, 2006 10:26:26 AM)
steve i have always been curious of what a day in the life of Steve Helwagen is like working for BN?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:27:38 AM)
It is great. The Internet means you can work from anywhere, which means it's family friendly. Don't tell the boss but I watched my kids this morning because they are off for Good Friday. Then I came to our office here on Lane to do the Chat and we have interviews with Coach Tressel today after practice. Mondays are radio days because we tape our show ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:28:44 AM)
Believe it or not, we use satellite technology to bring everybody together (those in Dayton and those here in Cols.). Other days it's just breaking down quotes from taped interviews, writing stories for the web and assigning, writing and editing stories for the magazines. It is a lot of fun, like a blank canvass every day I get up.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:29:05 AM)
Steve, If you can, run thru the upcoming camps by date that OSU staff can see recruits in person and evaluate them. This could help us gage when to ask about new names and current high rankings. Thanks :-)

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:29:20 AM)
For basketball or football?

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:29:43 AM)
For Football

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:30:41 AM)
Nike has a camp here in Cols. in May and Scout has combines all over the country. Their next big one in this region is Louisville on May 20. My brother-in-law is getting married that day, so I will not be there. But I know Chris Pool and Bob Lichtenfels will be all over it ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:31:40 AM)
The May evaluation period in football allows coaches to get into high schools. Down South, they have spring football and even some scrimmages that coaches can attend to make eyewitness evals of players. I imagine Scout will hone and release its rankings within the next 6-8 weeks, maybe sooner. I'll ask them about that ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:32:49 AM)
By the way, somebody here last week asked about the Tressel/YSU offenses in their national title seasons. Three of them were practically all running teams. One of them had almost equal balance. Check Buckeye Grove this week for the full winded answer to that one (hey, I will research answers to ??? I don't know and report back).

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:33:15 AM)
easterweekend asked if anybody would play the DE/LB position Carpenter was good at ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:34:11 AM)
Curiously, I wonder if maybe Hoobler may be able to do that. He has that kind of similar build. Honestly, OSU is athletic again at DE with Barrow, Gholston, Wilson and Richardson. I don't think they'll need the help from the LBs. They have not had athletes like that at end since Will Smith left in 03

hammbone1928 (Apr 14, 2006 10:34:19 AM)
got disconnected again saw your ansewr taking 1 qb & 1rb & that the qb will probably be ohio but didn't see ansewer as to who they would be

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:35:10 AM)
Belton if they offer, which is still a big if. They are very particular about how they want things done. I imagine somebody may have to spark them at camp. RB, my thought is if they don't get Saine or another great one they have targeted they will maybe stand pat.

PigMan (Apr 14, 2006 10:35:19 AM)
Kind of off topic, but when you're out checking on recruits or speaking with others who follow recruiting, are there any "journalist" who have bad reputations (other than Lemming) for trying to steer kids to certain schools?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:37:25 AM)
You know, nobody really comes to mind. I hate to see publishers for schools write such one-sided stories where they focus only on their school. Yes, that stuff needs to be in there, but I try and hit each of the kid's top 4 or 5 and get his current update on those schools, maybe see when somebody was in touch, what he thought of any recent developments at each spot. That's what I hate to see when guys just ask about their school to the exclusion of everybody else. You have monopolized the kid's time for 10 minutes and produced something that only benefits your small site as opposed to the whole network.

manhattanbuck (Apr 14, 2006 10:37:51 AM)
Hey steve, It seems our chances of winning a national championship rest almost entirely on how quickly and well our defensive backs and to a lesser extent our lbs are able to learn and mesh in limited practice time and early game experiences together. New qbs at Texas and PSU help early, but they still have talented recievers and offenses. Then comes three year starting qbs AT IOWA and hosting school up north. My question is given all the problems we had with a very talented group of young dbs and lbs in 2004, do you know of any national champion in the last 25 years which matches OSU's inexperience on defense... thanks.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:38:59 AM)
You are the voice of reason, certainly. I can't sit here and give you an honest answer to that. But that's what research is for. That will be my question for next week's column: Has anybody won the NC with as little as 2 returning starters on defense in the last 10 or 20 years? My guess is absolutely not.

PigMan (Apr 14, 2006 10:39:13 AM)
Any word on Person or Mitchum?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:42:17 AM)
Still backups. I think Skinner may have been elevated with the guys out last Sat. Honestly, the way the scrimmage runs with no replays (and I didn't bring binoculars), I did not spend much time focusing on which OL were playing with which group. In a setting like this (the only day we've seen thus far), you write down who had the ball, how many yards they got and who made the tackle and then it's on to the next play. ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:43:04 AM)
I just think they need to keep working. They each have 3 years left. After Datish, Downing and Schafer clear out after this season, there will be some jobs open and then we'll see who is serious about playing football at Ohio State. For now, they're step off the pace.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:43:27 AM)
Steve, Michigan Spring game is Tomorrow up here in Ann Arbor. Word is that they have no depth beyond Mike Hart from Spring Practice. Recruits are not looking as good as they thought. Time will tell of course, but the Michigan faithfull are full of gloom and doom.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:45:04 AM)
Well, one of the truisms in football is things are never as bad as they may seem. They have Henne and Hart and Manningham. That trio can cover a lot of mistakes. If Henne grows to where he stops making as many mistakes, they could be lights out. Don't ever feel sorry for Michigan or believe they're going to be some kind of soft touch. I've been watching them for 35 of the 38 years I've been on the planet and I haven't seen it yet.

redondo (Apr 14, 2006 10:45:22 AM)
Hi Steve - what question(s) do you most tire of being posed in these chats?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:45:30 AM)
Oh, I don't know ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:45:42 AM)
It used to be "When will he open up the offense?"

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:45:56 AM)
Like I was sitting in their meetings and helping them devise the game plan.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:46:28 AM)
For a while, it was "Will they move D'Andrea to end?" That was a popular one. One we always get is "Who will verbal next?" ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:47:14 AM)
There are times when I have been made privy to some info that something is imminent and I can say with a straight face "It could be so and so any day now" and then it happens and I look like a million dollars ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:47:41 AM)
But that's only about 20-25 percent of the time. To be honest, the rest of the time all it can ever be is a guess.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:47:59 AM)
Sometimes we have good info and sometimes we have no info.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:48:21 AM)
Steve - Check Miami Hurricanes on 2 returning starters, would be my guess.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:48:38 AM)
In 2001 when they beat Nebraska like a drum, I assume.

PigMan (Apr 14, 2006 10:48:45 AM)
This whole thing about only having two returning starters is being slightly overblown. They may have 9 new starters, but almost all of them have significant playing experience. Several of them have starting experience. I'm not saying it is of no concern, but I also don't think it will be as bad as many think. We have great coaches. We have great athletes. Trust in that.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:50:32 AM)
Yes, good point. Two starters is Pitcock and Patterson. But Richardson has played. Wilson has played a little. Grant was a 2-year star at JUCO. Kerr has 1 year under his belt. Freeman and Laurinaitis each have a taste. Jenkins started almost half the year. Mitchell has played in 30-some games. Antonio Smith has been on the field at least on special teams. Agreed with your last 3 sentences completely.

hammbone1928 (Apr 14, 2006 10:50:39 AM)
Belton is listed as a db qb but I read somewhere that he runs very well

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:50:56 AM)
I think he is strictly a QB. He's like 6-6 210 or 220.

azbucknut (Apr 14, 2006 10:51:00 AM)
Any word on how the punter Thoma is progressing? I remember reading his high school average was very good...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:52:00 AM)
Good question. I have no update on him, unfortunately. Trapasso clearly outpunted him in the kick scrimmage in the fall. We'll see how it goes this week. It's on Thursday. That is Trapasso's job for the near future. I thought he was pretty good.

redondo (Apr 14, 2006 10:52:06 AM)
Steve - What's the interest level in watching the upcoming NFL draft? Do you watch much of it? Is there any kind of buzz among the team and staff about it? Thank you.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:53:58 AM)
I rarely if ever watch it. I was a Browns fan up until the Modell move and now am just lukewarm on them (until they give everybody something worth following, and I don't mean Braylon and The Soldier). I keep tabs on how the OSU guys do and that's about it. I definitely do not spend all day on that Sat. in front of the TV (usually it is spring game, this year it is not). I will check the ticker periodically for how the OSU guys do. ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:54:27 AM)
Yes, I think the players and coaches are juiced to see how their guys do. For the returning players, they can only dream their name will be called in the same manner.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:54:42 AM)
Steve, I agree on Michigan. I can't tell you how great it is to see these guys suffer over being 4-1 to JT the past 5 years. After taking a bashing during the Cooper Years, it is such a welcome to give it back. I had a social function with some of my wife's work friends this past weekend and got to listen to the whinning about Loyd Carr as everyone assumed i was a Michigan Klingon. When they found out I was an OHIO State guy, The atmosphere changed quickly. They now know what it's like to loose Consistently to their Arch Rival.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:55:23 AM)
Yep, the shoe is definitely on the other foot ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:57:00 AM)
It's real funny. After the game this past year, I joined Clay Hall on Channel 6. I think I got caught up in the moment and said something like, " ... and now I think it's Michigan and their coaches and their players and their fans who have to answer some serious questions about what is happening with this rivalry." All of that bravado after Ohio State pulled out a win with 30 seconds left. You would have thought OSU had beaten them by 3 touchdowns. ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:58:08 AM)
But I know most of you lived through the dark times of the Cooper era in the Michigan rivalry, so you've earned this. Really, to get even for going 2-10-1 in a 13-year stretch, OSU still needs to go 5-0 in the next 5 years (ha ha).

rbuck (Apr 14, 2006 10:58:57 AM)
Is the information correct that Josh Kerr had a schollie with the U? He seems to be an afterthought. Is he eligible this year? Could he see time?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:59:56 AM)
Miami signed him to a letter of intent. But I imagine scholarship limit of 85 prompted them to ask him to grayshirt. I believe he refused and eventually enrolled at OSU. I guess he could see time. I was not looking for him on Sat., so short of a comment from Bollman, I can not say where he stands.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:00:06 AM)
Maybe Jim Tressel can enlighten us on that today.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 11:00:11 AM)
Steve, Worst day of my life, truely Loosing to Michigan in 1995 when we had National Title onthe line. The big difference from Cooper to Tressel, in my Opinion and the difference in the series now verse then, in my humble opinion: Quaterbacks and who is coaching them. JT is the man. Who would have thought 2002 and Craig Krenzel.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:01:45 AM)
That was a watershed moment. OSU would have gone to the Rose Bowl and faced USC and Meshawn. I think they could have beaten the Trojans and won maybe a share of the NC that year had that happened. (Nebraska probably still would have swept it, though, as I think back.) ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:02:53 AM)
Agreed on the QBs. They have had some rocky moments at times (early in 01 with Bellisari and early in 04 with Zwick), but otherwise have been pretty solid.

ohs (Apr 14, 2006 11:04:17 AM)
who starts at DE along with Wilson?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:04:57 AM)
Maybe Barrow or Richardson or Gholston. Really, those 4 are so tightly bunched, I bet Heacock dangles that carrot all season and changes it up. He likes to keep guys on their toes.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:05:24 AM)
Barrow, I guess, on what I saw Sat. I hear he is up over 270 in reality (listed 255).

ohs (Apr 14, 2006 11:05:28 AM)
what's our record next year? 12-1?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:05:49 AM)
Yeah that sounds good. Can't say if that will be good enough for the NC. But a RS loss and a bowl win somewhere.

ohs (Apr 14, 2006 11:05:59 AM)
i'm pretty concerned about the O line after next season. this soph class isn't stepping up and the depth isn't there.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:07:35 AM)
Well, you have Barton, Boone, Rehring and Cordle. That's a pretty good foursome. You just need 1-2 guys to step up and make it a cohesive unit. They'll be OK. There's help coming with Smith and Browning maybe one or both will be ready by 07. Don't give up on those sophs just yet. Skinner got some key PT on Sat. Without a film to watch, I can't honestly say how he did. Even with the sack troubles they had, the 3 feature RBs averaged a combine 5-plus yards a carry.

ohs (Apr 14, 2006 11:07:41 AM)
i'm hopeful on the linebackers and safety/cb, i think they will be very strong going forward. thanks for fielding the questions.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:07:54 AM)
Agreed, seems to be 2 good answers at every spot and that's good.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 11:08:08 AM)
Steve, I think I'm right on this (can't remember any). Quaterbacks drafted into NFL during Cooper Era? Zero QBs from Michigan drafted during Cooper Era - Five.... Says alot.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:08:34 AM)
Bobby Hoying was drafted by the Raiders, I believe. Germaine would have been a late rounder or FA with the Rams.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:09:08 AM)
But you're right, Michigan had the guys with Brady, Griese, Henson, Grbac, etc.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:09:27 AM)
Talent do make a difference.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:10:34 AM)
Kent Graham was an eighth-round pick in 92.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:10:49 AM)
Amazingly, Tupa, mostly a P, was not drafted in 88 and he's still playing.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:11:23 AM)
Hoying third round to the Eagles, actually, in 96. He went to the Raidas later (shows how much I follow NFL).

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:12:41 AM)
My goodness, Germaine was a fourth round pick to the Lammies in 99. I had completely blocked that out. Wow. Vermeil loved him after that Rose Bowl he called, I know that. Bellisari was a sixth rounder to the Rams in 02, Krenzel fifth round to Bears in 04 and now with Bengies.

Coach T (Apr 14, 2006 11:12:55 AM)
Steve, do you agree that the most important positions at the college level are OL, DE and CB?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:12:56 AM)
No, most important is the QB. He touches the ball on every play and has to get you in and out of bad plays based on the defense and he also has to take care of the football (collect the snap and distribute the ball, etc.). He is far and away No. 1. OL certainly important as well. Bill Conley also said you can never have enough big guys who can run, so go with DE. And, in today's football with the spread, the CBs are also very important.

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Steve, Local ESPN Radio station in AnnArbor morning talk show host Mike Wickett announced that he had evidence that Ohio State was overlooking Michigan this coming season and already chalking up a win. He supposedly had evidence to this but I was unable to hear what it was. Seems like BS to get people to call in, but I can't imagine ANYONE taking Michigan for granted despite JT's 4-1 verses Loyd Carr. Your THoughts?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 9:59:04 AM)
Yeah, he's just trying to stir up some trouble. Not sure what that evidence would be ... other than people already booking their trips (back) to Phoenix. I think Ohio State will continue its strong approach to this rivalry ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 9:59:27 AM)
Just when everybody thinks this will be a tough year for Carr with road trips to ND, PSU and OSU, watch them win 2 of the 3.

buckguy (Apr 14, 2006 9:59:31 AM)
think the new jerseys will be represented in the spring game?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:00:11 AM)
No, I do not. My guess is they will use the old ones. At the Spring Preview, the only one the school had they auctioned off for $5,000. I doubt Nike has all the names and numbers ready by next Sat.

James V. Prato (Apr 14, 2006 10:00:21 AM)
steve , what can we expect from B. Underwood this year?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:01:43 AM)
I don't know. I do not think he played in the scrimmage. I don't think he has ever gotten his shoulder situation squared away. He is not in the discussion at corner right now. The main names I heard mentioned the other day were Jenkins and Smith, then Washington, Amos and Roberts. No Welch, either. The ship is leaving port on that, I'm afraid.

rbuck (Apr 14, 2006 10:01:49 AM)
I know the defense has lost a lot, but can you remember a time where we were so deep at every position?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:03:31 AM)
Yeah, there seems to be good to great depth at QB, both RB spots, both WR spots, DE, LB, CB and safety. Depth is OK at TE and on the OL. There are bodies there at each spot who seem capable. Now they need to do it on the field. I'm not sure when Ohio State had this deep of a team. I'm sure one of their teams from the recent past would be close, maybe 2003 or 2002 or 1996 or 1997.

rbuck (Apr 14, 2006 10:03:37 AM)
Does Alex Boone start against N. Illinois, if not will he start against Texas?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:04:40 AM)
Tough question. I would imagine Tressel would hold him out of the lineup for at least the opener. But, provided he is eligible (and I don't know why he wouldn't be), I imagine he would still play against NIU. Then, if he earned the right to start against Texas, I imagine he would.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:04:47 AM)
Nevada Buck has us all in suspense on his season prediction coming Next Friday. What are your early thoughts? I'm an optimist with experience and I think we have the makings of a National Championship Run IF IF IF, Troy Smith stays focused.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:07:10 AM)
I just started plotting that out yesterday. I think I have 5 easy FG games (NIU, UC, Indiana, Illinois and BG), 4 testers (MSU, Minnesota, PSU and NW) and 3 long field goals (Texas, Iowa, UM). ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:07:28 AM)
My guess is with so much youth on defense there will be a loss somewhere along the way.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:07:59 AM)
Maybe at Iowa, just fits OSU's recent motif to lose a big conference night road game. They've done it 3 straight years.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:08:21 AM)
Steve, I know Conley was a good guy and recruiting was his job. BUT, It seems that this has gone well since he left and seems to actually be getting better despite the loss of a few key \"wanna haves\" the past two years. I'm optimistic on our recruiting eforts. Your thoughts?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:09:59 AM)
They are doing pretty well. Some of the guys people thought they reached on like Malcolm Jenkins (Rutgers and Va. Tech) and Anderson Russell (Duke), Brian Robiskie (not sure) seem to be panning out. They're getting kids who are winning games and graduating. What else do you want?

rbuck (Apr 14, 2006 10:10:16 AM)
Do we really have a shot at Brandon Saine? Everything I'm hearing out of Piqua is that it is Michigan all the way. It really makes sense, at OSU they have Pitt, Wells x2, and Haw...At ND they have Aldridge and a couple of others... but at Michigan it would just be Grady & Hart??

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:11:39 AM)
I have not spoken to Brandon myself, so it's hard for me to gauge a lot from his written comments. I don't have an inside source at Piqua telling me he is leaning one way or the other. I know whoever gets him will be getting a special player with a 200-pound frame and 4.4 speed in the 40. His tape speaks for itself and they play good competition, typically. Let's see what happens during the camp season with him.

hammbone1928 (Apr 14, 2006 10:11:46 AM)
I got disconnected, so I don't if you have already ansewered my question how many qb's & rb's do you think tosu will take & who will they be

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:11:55 AM)
No problem, I never saw it ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:13:14 AM)
I think they take one QB and at least one RB. I think they want the Ohio QBs, once again, to come to camp. They have or may offer some out of state QBs as well. I think if they offer Clay Belton, he's their guy. Kurt Coleman, his teammate, is already at OSU and he was at several games last year ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:15:02 AM)
In terms of RBs, everybody mentions Saine. But there are some others floating around they could also covet. Maybe a Daniel Herron from Harding (great video) or somebody from out of state. They will get a good one or they won't take one at all, I imagine.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:15:10 AM)
Steve, Great Story this morning on John Kerr on the board. I am now one of his fans. That's what it is all about. Doing what you WANT to do and being willing to pay for it.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:16:21 AM)
How about that? I did a radio interview with John yesterday that may be on an upcoming show and I, too, was struck by his story. Hear it in his words -- there is no better place to play college football in the country. Says a lot. I know I paid my own tuition too, but he is getting some fringe benefits out of it if you ask me (ha ha).

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:16:33 AM)
Dave did a great job with that story, by the way.

BuckeyesRule (Apr 14, 2006 10:16:36 AM)
Steve, speaking of Bill Conley, do you believe he will ever return to the coaching/recruiting ranks? The PAC-10 school for whom my godson plays running back lost its TE coach and recruiting coordinator to the NFL this past off season, and it struck me to be an ideal fit for BC.............your thoughts?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:17:26 AM)
It would have to be the right situation. I think he seriously thought about Minnesota, but turned it down. His friends and family are here. It would take a special place to get him to take the plunge and get back into it.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:17:29 AM)
Steve. Agree on the recruiting! They are doing an excellent job getting the RIGHT kids and winning with them. If anyone out there is not cherring for Jim Tresell by this time, Move to Michigan. :-)

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:18:32 AM)
People are worried about only one verbal now. But the thing is it will be another class in the 18 to 20 range and Ohio is loaded. They'll pinpoint who they want and probably pluck off 12 of the top 20 players in the state yet again. That's all they need to do and augment with players at need positions outside Ohio.

PigMan (Apr 14, 2006 10:18:38 AM)
Sorry if this has been covered, but I am hearing mixed signals about D'Andrea. Is he being held out because the leg is still giving him trouble or is it a precaution?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:19:53 AM)
I asked him if he had a setback and he said no. That tells me he is saving himself for the spring. I know he was not full-go during winter conditioning. Either he can go in the fall or he can't. He knows the defense. Fickell is pulling for him, we'll see what happens. He'd be a great addition if it works out. But for now, they are working with the guys they have on the field and Kerr is the one.

PigMan (Apr 14, 2006 10:19:59 AM)
So far as you have heard has anything changed on the depth chart since the start of spring practice?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:21:27 AM)
Probably not among the starters. The OL is kind of in a state of flux because I think Datish and Barton have been limited and Boone was disciplined. I think Saturday's scrimmage probably helped Bollman figure out who he can and can not depend on a little more from the rest, so some playing time may already be assigned in the back of his head ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:23:17 AM)
The TB depth chart still has Pittman No. 1 (he's doing some minor work, we understand). Mo Wells started the scrimmage and got some tough yards. Haw had the big run but dropped 2 passes. Chris Wells made a great first impression except for the fumble. Who do you move ahead of the rest there? That's a toughie. I'm sure Dick Tressel and Jim Tressel will make that call on who they thought was most consistent over the 15 days ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:23:59 AM)
It says a lot that Larry Grant and Ross Homan are in the two deep as backups at LB after 2-1/2 weeks on campus.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:24:24 AM)
That's about it, though. The end rotation is pretty much as it was and probably same in the secondary.

PigMan (Apr 14, 2006 10:24:28 AM)
What ever happened to Hoobler. I loved him his freshman year but it looks like he's burried on the depth chart? Any behind the scenes problems?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:26:19 AM)
It's clear something is up because he's not in the two-deep as mentioned by Fickell yesterday. I figured he'd be in line to start at MLB. Not sure what the hang-up is. He had a late hit penalty last Sat. and that may be an example of a dependability issue. But those things, you would think, can be corrected. I don't attend practice every day to know whether he is not taking coaching or learning the scheme. I can't make those judgments after seeing just one of their first 10 practices. But something is amiss. He was in line ... and now he's not.

James V. Prato (Apr 14, 2006 10:26:26 AM)
steve i have always been curious of what a day in the life of Steve Helwagen is like working for BN?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:27:38 AM)
It is great. The Internet means you can work from anywhere, which means it's family friendly. Don't tell the boss but I watched my kids this morning because they are off for Good Friday. Then I came to our office here on Lane to do the Chat and we have interviews with Coach Tressel today after practice. Mondays are radio days because we tape our show ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:28:44 AM)
Believe it or not, we use satellite technology to bring everybody together (those in Dayton and those here in Cols.). Other days it's just breaking down quotes from taped interviews, writing stories for the web and assigning, writing and editing stories for the magazines. It is a lot of fun, like a blank canvass every day I get up.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:29:05 AM)
Steve, If you can, run thru the upcoming camps by date that OSU staff can see recruits in person and evaluate them. This could help us gage when to ask about new names and current high rankings. Thanks :-)

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:29:20 AM)
For basketball or football?

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:29:43 AM)
For Football

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:30:41 AM)
Nike has a camp here in Cols. in May and Scout has combines all over the country. Their next big one in this region is Louisville on May 20. My brother-in-law is getting married that day, so I will not be there. But I know Chris Pool and Bob Lichtenfels will be all over it ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:31:40 AM)
The May evaluation period in football allows coaches to get into high schools. Down South, they have spring football and even some scrimmages that coaches can attend to make eyewitness evals of players. I imagine Scout will hone and release its rankings within the next 6-8 weeks, maybe sooner. I'll ask them about that ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:32:49 AM)
By the way, somebody here last week asked about the Tressel/YSU offenses in their national title seasons. Three of them were practically all running teams. One of them had almost equal balance. Check Buckeye Grove this week for the full winded answer to that one (hey, I will research answers to ??? I don't know and report back).

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:33:15 AM)
easterweekend asked if anybody would play the DE/LB position Carpenter was good at ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:34:11 AM)
Curiously, I wonder if maybe Hoobler may be able to do that. He has that kind of similar build. Honestly, OSU is athletic again at DE with Barrow, Gholston, Wilson and Richardson. I don't think they'll need the help from the LBs. They have not had athletes like that at end since Will Smith left in 03

hammbone1928 (Apr 14, 2006 10:34:19 AM)
got disconnected again saw your ansewr taking 1 qb & 1rb & that the qb will probably be ohio but didn't see ansewer as to who they would be

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:35:10 AM)
Belton if they offer, which is still a big if. They are very particular about how they want things done. I imagine somebody may have to spark them at camp. RB, my thought is if they don't get Saine or another great one they have targeted they will maybe stand pat.

PigMan (Apr 14, 2006 10:35:19 AM)
Kind of off topic, but when you're out checking on recruits or speaking with others who follow recruiting, are there any \"journalist\" who have bad reputations (other than Lemming) for trying to steer kids to certain schools?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:37:25 AM)
You know, nobody really comes to mind. I hate to see publishers for schools write such one-sided stories where they focus only on their school. Yes, that stuff needs to be in there, but I try and hit each of the kid's top 4 or 5 and get his current update on those schools, maybe see when somebody was in touch, what he thought of any recent developments at each spot. That's what I hate to see when guys just ask about their school to the exclusion of everybody else. You have monopolized the kid's time for 10 minutes and produced something that only benefits your small site as opposed to the whole network.

manhattanbuck (Apr 14, 2006 10:37:51 AM)
Hey steve, It seems our chances of winning a national championship rest almost entirely on how quickly and well our defensive backs and to a lesser extent our lbs are able to learn and mesh in limited practice time and early game experiences together. New qbs at Texas and PSU help early, but they still have talented recievers and offenses. Then comes three year starting qbs AT IOWA and hosting school up north. My question is given all the problems we had with a very talented group of young dbs and lbs in 2004, do you know of any national champion in the last 25 years which matches OSU's inexperience on defense... thanks.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:38:59 AM)
You are the voice of reason, certainly. I can't sit here and give you an honest answer to that. But that's what research is for. That will be my question for next week's column: Has anybody won the NC with as little as 2 returning starters on defense in the last 10 or 20 years? My guess is absolutely not.

PigMan (Apr 14, 2006 10:39:13 AM)
Any word on Person or Mitchum?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:42:17 AM)
Still backups. I think Skinner may have been elevated with the guys out last Sat. Honestly, the way the scrimmage runs with no replays (and I didn't bring binoculars), I did not spend much time focusing on which OL were playing with which group. In a setting like this (the only day we've seen thus far), you write down who had the ball, how many yards they got and who made the tackle and then it's on to the next play. ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:43:04 AM)
I just think they need to keep working. They each have 3 years left. After Datish, Downing and Schafer clear out after this season, there will be some jobs open and then we'll see who is serious about playing football at Ohio State. For now, they're step off the pace.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:43:27 AM)
Steve, Michigan Spring game is Tomorrow up here in Ann Arbor. Word is that they have no depth beyond Mike Hart from Spring Practice. Recruits are not looking as good as they thought. Time will tell of course, but the Michigan faithfull are full of gloom and doom.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:45:04 AM)
Well, one of the truisms in football is things are never as bad as they may seem. They have Henne and Hart and Manningham. That trio can cover a lot of mistakes. If Henne grows to where he stops making as many mistakes, they could be lights out. Don't ever feel sorry for Michigan or believe they're going to be some kind of soft touch. I've been watching them for 35 of the 38 years I've been on the planet and I haven't seen it yet.

redondo (Apr 14, 2006 10:45:22 AM)
Hi Steve - what question(s) do you most tire of being posed in these chats?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:45:30 AM)
Oh, I don't know ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:45:42 AM)
It used to be \"When will he open up the offense?\"

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:45:56 AM)
Like I was sitting in their meetings and helping them devise the game plan.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:46:28 AM)
For a while, it was \"Will they move D'Andrea to end?\" That was a popular one. One we always get is \"Who will verbal next?\" ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:47:14 AM)
There are times when I have been made privy to some info that something is imminent and I can say with a straight face \"It could be so and so any day now\" and then it happens and I look like a million dollars ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:47:41 AM)
But that's only about 20-25 percent of the time. To be honest, the rest of the time all it can ever be is a guess.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:47:59 AM)
Sometimes we have good info and sometimes we have no info.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:48:21 AM)
Steve - Check Miami Hurricanes on 2 returning starters, would be my guess.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:48:38 AM)
In 2001 when they beat Nebraska like a drum, I assume.

PigMan (Apr 14, 2006 10:48:45 AM)
This whole thing about only having two returning starters is being slightly overblown. They may have 9 new starters, but almost all of them have significant playing experience. Several of them have starting experience. I'm not saying it is of no concern, but I also don't think it will be as bad as many think. We have great coaches. We have great athletes. Trust in that.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:50:32 AM)
Yes, good point. Two starters is Pitcock and Patterson. But Richardson has played. Wilson has played a little. Grant was a 2-year star at JUCO. Kerr has 1 year under his belt. Freeman and Laurinaitis each have a taste. Jenkins started almost half the year. Mitchell has played in 30-some games. Antonio Smith has been on the field at least on special teams. Agreed with your last 3 sentences completely.

hammbone1928 (Apr 14, 2006 10:50:39 AM)
Belton is listed as a db qb but I read somewhere that he runs very well

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:50:56 AM)
I think he is strictly a QB. He's like 6-6 210 or 220.

azbucknut (Apr 14, 2006 10:51:00 AM)
Any word on how the punter Thoma is progressing? I remember reading his high school average was very good...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:52:00 AM)
Good question. I have no update on him, unfortunately. Trapasso clearly outpunted him in the kick scrimmage in the fall. We'll see how it goes this week. It's on Thursday. That is Trapasso's job for the near future. I thought he was pretty good.

redondo (Apr 14, 2006 10:52:06 AM)
Steve - What's the interest level in watching the upcoming NFL draft? Do you watch much of it? Is there any kind of buzz among the team and staff about it? Thank you.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:53:58 AM)
I rarely if ever watch it. I was a Browns fan up until the Modell move and now am just lukewarm on them (until they give everybody something worth following, and I don't mean Braylon and The Soldier). I keep tabs on how the OSU guys do and that's about it. I definitely do not spend all day on that Sat. in front of the TV (usually it is spring game, this year it is not). I will check the ticker periodically for how the OSU guys do. ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:54:27 AM)
Yes, I think the players and coaches are juiced to see how their guys do. For the returning players, they can only dream their name will be called in the same manner.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 10:54:42 AM)
Steve, I agree on Michigan. I can't tell you how great it is to see these guys suffer over being 4-1 to JT the past 5 years. After taking a bashing during the Cooper Years, it is such a welcome to give it back. I had a social function with some of my wife's work friends this past weekend and got to listen to the whinning about Loyd Carr as everyone assumed i was a Michigan Klingon. When they found out I was an OHIO State guy, The atmosphere changed quickly. They now know what it's like to loose Consistently to their Arch Rival.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:55:23 AM)
Yep, the shoe is definitely on the other foot ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:57:00 AM)
It's real funny. After the game this past year, I joined Clay Hall on Channel 6. I think I got caught up in the moment and said something like, \" ... and now I think it's Michigan and their coaches and their players and their fans who have to answer some serious questions about what is happening with this rivalry.\" All of that bravado after Ohio State pulled out a win with 30 seconds left. You would have thought OSU had beaten them by 3 touchdowns. ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:58:08 AM)
But I know most of you lived through the dark times of the Cooper era in the Michigan rivalry, so you've earned this. Really, to get even for going 2-10-1 in a 13-year stretch, OSU still needs to go 5-0 in the next 5 years (ha ha).

rbuck (Apr 14, 2006 10:58:57 AM)
Is the information correct that Josh Kerr had a schollie with the U? He seems to be an afterthought. Is he eligible this year? Could he see time?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 10:59:56 AM)
Miami signed him to a letter of intent. But I imagine scholarship limit of 85 prompted them to ask him to grayshirt. I believe he refused and eventually enrolled at OSU. I guess he could see time. I was not looking for him on Sat., so short of a comment from Bollman, I can not say where he stands.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:00:06 AM)
Maybe Jim Tressel can enlighten us on that today.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 11:00:11 AM)
Steve, Worst day of my life, truely Loosing to Michigan in 1995 when we had National Title onthe line. The big difference from Cooper to Tressel, in my Opinion and the difference in the series now verse then, in my humble opinion: Quaterbacks and who is coaching them. JT is the man. Who would have thought 2002 and Craig Krenzel.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:01:45 AM)
That was a watershed moment. OSU would have gone to the Rose Bowl and faced USC and Meshawn. I think they could have beaten the Trojans and won maybe a share of the NC that year had that happened. (Nebraska probably still would have swept it, though, as I think back.) ...

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:02:53 AM)
Agreed on the QBs. They have had some rocky moments at times (early in 01 with Bellisari and early in 04 with Zwick), but otherwise have been pretty solid.

ohs (Apr 14, 2006 11:04:17 AM)
who starts at DE along with Wilson?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:04:57 AM)
Maybe Barrow or Richardson or Gholston. Really, those 4 are so tightly bunched, I bet Heacock dangles that carrot all season and changes it up. He likes to keep guys on their toes.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:05:24 AM)
Barrow, I guess, on what I saw Sat. I hear he is up over 270 in reality (listed 255).

ohs (Apr 14, 2006 11:05:28 AM)
what's our record next year? 12-1?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:05:49 AM)
Yeah that sounds good. Can't say if that will be good enough for the NC. But a RS loss and a bowl win somewhere.

ohs (Apr 14, 2006 11:05:59 AM)
i'm pretty concerned about the O line after next season. this soph class isn't stepping up and the depth isn't there.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:07:35 AM)
Well, you have Barton, Boone, Rehring and Cordle. That's a pretty good foursome. You just need 1-2 guys to step up and make it a cohesive unit. They'll be OK. There's help coming with Smith and Browning maybe one or both will be ready by 07. Don't give up on those sophs just yet. Skinner got some key PT on Sat. Without a film to watch, I can't honestly say how he did. Even with the sack troubles they had, the 3 feature RBs averaged a combine 5-plus yards a carry.

ohs (Apr 14, 2006 11:07:41 AM)
i'm hopeful on the linebackers and safety/cb, i think they will be very strong going forward. thanks for fielding the questions.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:07:54 AM)
Agreed, seems to be 2 good answers at every spot and that's good.

buckeyeinsaline (Apr 14, 2006 11:08:08 AM)
Steve, I think I'm right on this (can't remember any). Quaterbacks drafted into NFL during Cooper Era? Zero QBs from Michigan drafted during Cooper Era - Five.... Says alot.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:08:34 AM)
Bobby Hoying was drafted by the Raiders, I believe. Germaine would have been a late rounder or FA with the Rams.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:09:08 AM)
But you're right, Michigan had the guys with Brady, Griese, Henson, Grbac, etc.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:09:27 AM)
Talent do make a difference.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:10:34 AM)
Kent Graham was an eighth-round pick in 92.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:10:49 AM)
Amazingly, Tupa, mostly a P, was not drafted in 88 and he's still playing.

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:11:23 AM)
Hoying third round to the Eagles, actually, in 96. He went to the Raidas later (shows how much I follow NFL).

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:12:41 AM)
My goodness, Germaine was a fourth round pick to the Lammies in 99. I had completely blocked that out. Wow. Vermeil loved him after that Rose Bowl he called, I know that. Bellisari was a sixth rounder to the Rams in 02, Krenzel fifth round to Bears in 04 and now with Bengies.

Coach T (Apr 14, 2006 11:12:55 AM)
Steve, do you agree that the most important positions at the college level are OL, DE and CB?

SteveHelwagen (Apr 14, 2006 11:12:56 AM)
No, most important is the QB. He touches the ball on every play and has to get you in and out of bad plays based on the defense and he also has to take care of the football (collect the snap and distribute the ball, etc.). He is far and away No. 1. OL certainly important as well. Bill Conley also said you can never have enough big guys who can run, so go with DE. And, in today's football with the spread, the CBs are also very important.

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