Helwagen Chat: Aug. 18 Archive

Here are excerpts from Steve Helwagen's Chat on Friday. He will Chat again at 1 p.m. Monday to recap the jersey scrimmage. Also, NevadaBuck will Chat at 1 p.m. Wednesday. Join us for these special events.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 9:49:56 AM)
How about the latest on Ben Martin.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 9:50:42 AM)
The only thing I have heard since Aug. 1 is Ben is probably going to play LB at LaSalle this year. Puts him in position to make more plays. I wonder if he is more of a Shawn Crable-type player. I dunno ...

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 9:51:19 AM)
Last update on schools had OSU, ND, Florida, tennesee and Cincinnati as his top five. I think some folks have rumored Ohio State is No. 1, but he's playing it close to the vest.

ohs (Aug 18, 2006 9:51:25 AM)
any good news on DT recruiting?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 9:53:28 AM)
The top three names are Joseph Barksdale (says Texas is No. 1), Josh Brent (he lists most of the Big Ten) and Antonio Jeremiah (will be offered when the academics come through). That's what I know. That may not be what you want to hear. It is an area of concern.

ohs (Aug 18, 2006 9:53:32 AM)
what do you see as the 2 deep at LB for the Mich game?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 9:56:20 AM)
Well, it's already in a state of flux, it seems. They may rotate several guys early in the year to see what sticks. I think Laurinaitis at MLB and Freeman at OLB are definites. Kerr or Homan would be the other one likely, and it sounds like Curtis Terry and Larry Grant are in the mix ...

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 9:56:54 AM)
Sounds like D'Andrea can only go half time, Moeller has sparked them early and Spitler is out and Hoobler is working mostly at end.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 9:57:00 AM)
Just got a news flash from OSU ...

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 9:57:30 AM)
Because of expected bad weather on Sat., they are holding the jersey scrimmage today at 3. Accordingly, I will break this off at 2 p.m., so if you have a question send it now.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 9:57:50 AM)
Keep in mind, this is a moderated Chat. All questions come to me and I post them as I get to them.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 9:57:58 AM)
I am excited about our O-line this year (finally). I am also pumped about next year's class. I still think that it would be nice to get one of O'Dowd, A. Davis, Clayton, or Still. Your thoughts on landing any of them?

ohs (Aug 18, 2006 9:59:46 AM)
are you super optimistic about OL recruiting for new year?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 9:59:49 AM)
Agreed, I think they would like to get another stud in this group. O'Dowd may be their best shot. Davis has a lot of great schools on him. Claytor's initial enthusiasm may be waning. Not sure what to make of Still and his desire to play at OSU. Seems genuine. Key will be to get one or all of them in on visits sooner the better.

ohs (Aug 18, 2006 9:59:54 AM)
do we finish in top 15 this year in recr?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:00:51 AM)
they should be on the cusp of that, the size of the class hurts, what we're finding is that class rankings are pertinent when you take 20 or more guys. If you have a highly ranked class with a lot of guys, you've got something. To be top-15 with a 16- or 17-man class, that's probably just as good.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:00:58 AM)
I would feel much better about our future if we could strengthen the depth at DB. I was told by NevadaBuck that Torrence was a done deal. How about Clifford, Johnson, any others?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:01:32 AM)
Torrence sounds like he is a heavy lean (ha ha). I think they're in good shape on Clifford. Johnson, if you're talking about Ron, Im not sure about him.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:01:39 AM)
Can you give us your thoughts on skylar jones, Belton, and Mitchell Evans. Are they worth an offer? Anyone else going to come up during the season?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:01:52 AM)
Seems unlikely, doesn't seem like they want a QB in this class.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:01:57 AM)
Don't you think that it is a little bit early to talk about Ginn as a top WR when his route running looking pretty bad at times last year? He also seemed to drop a lot of balls on special teams. I think that other defenses will focus on him.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:03:20 AM)
The only concern I have with Ted Ginn Jr. is whether he can handle being the guy teams are scheming to stop. He had Holmes to take the load off of him. Ginn must deal with more attention from defenses. He may not have big numbers, but as long as Gonzo, Hall, Robiskie and others pick it up they will be OK. Go back and watch the Michigan game (other than fumbled punts) and ND and come back and tell me what you saw. Seventeen catches in two games.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:03:34 AM)
Of course, Holmes was a part of that. He's not there any more.

AspenBuck (Aug 18, 2006 10:03:41 AM)
Steve, where do you see Larry Grant fitting into this D. With Kerr moving over to Will, I would assume that that paves the way for Homan to take over at some point. More 3-4 or more rotation? I just can't see Grant sitting...his junior college resume is so impressive.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:04:15 AM)
Want to see in the scrimmage what happens with him and how he is used. Should be interesting to see what they do with him. Sounds like he is making his move.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:04:22 AM)
Who is the next big time play maker to come to OSU? Offense and defense please.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:06:31 AM)
On offense, maybe Saine at RB/WR. On defense, maybe Ben Martin. They are special talents.

westonbuckeye (Aug 18, 2006 10:06:48 AM)
Any news on Lyons? No body mentions him as having a good camp

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:08:18 AM)
Yeah, haven't heard his name mentioned once. Maybe he'll show something today. Wish I had more to add on him. Hoping for the best after he yo-yoed over to defense for a cup of coffee.

smu0104 (Aug 18, 2006 10:08:25 AM)
We are not taking a QB this year it appears so what QB's are at the top of the list for next year? I know this is very early in the process and the top QB's before the season seem to change by the end (ie. Miles Schlicter).

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:09:11 AM)
One some people like is Domonique Britt from Trotwood-Madison. I'm not sure a great one has surfaced in Ohio. These guys are only entering their junior seasons and the OSU coaches seem to only want guys they work out at their camp, so stay tuned.

Mr. February (Aug 18, 2006 10:09:16 AM)
By midseason, in your opinion, who is the 3rd linebacker along with Freeman and Laurinaitis?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:09:37 AM)
I think Homan and Kerr will split time. I see a lot of LBs playing.

onebigbuckeye (Aug 18, 2006 10:10:03 AM)
Hi, Steve.....tell me about Smith starting at the corner opposite Jenkins. He hasn't gotten a whole lot of ink and I believe he is a fifth year senior?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:10:42 AM)
He's a former walk-on, mostly special teams player. Played mostly safety on defense. But he worked hard on his game and is getting a strong look at corner. The receivers say he is holding up well.

AspenBuck (Aug 18, 2006 10:10:51 AM)
What's the story with the QBs, sounds like several insiders on the member board would be terrified if Smith got hurt. They feel like there is no strong backup at this point...has Zwick really slipped or what...I always thought he was at least servicable.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:11:26 AM)
I think Zwick is serviceable. He has played enough to know the drill. But I think there is a dropoff there if they have to go to him. It's great that he is staying ready.

Mr. February (Aug 18, 2006 10:11:32 AM)
Is Ballard next in line to contribute at TE after Nicol and Smith or am I missing someone?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:12:26 AM)
Nope, they have 4 TEs -- Nicol, Smith, Ballard and Miller. We'll see today how much they use the TE (my guess is not all that much and very few 2-TE sets unless it is short yardage or goal line, just play to their strengths with 3 and 4 WRs or 2 TBs instead).

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:12:45 AM)
Why is it that we are never in on the top QBs in the country? I would think that a top QB would want to come in with our O-line, WRs, and RBs, not to mention our D-fense? With a more open offense and T. Smith can we see some blue chippers in the near future?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:13:30 AM)
Recruiting gurus miss on QBs more than any other position. I'll take the coaches' expertise every time. I think Smith's prowess helped them land Henton, whom I like a lot. Just stay tuned.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:13:39 AM)
It seems like we never used the middle of the field in our passing game. Can we see Nicol and some RBs get some catches in the open spaces created by Ginn?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:13:54 AM)
You hope. The thing I hear is they are working to spread the ball all over the field.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:14:07 AM)
Does Amos take Smith's spot by the end of the year?

Mr. February (Aug 18, 2006 10:14:10 AM)
Sorry if I missed it...who do you like at the corner spot opposite Jenkins? Sounds like Amos has been impressive thus far.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:14:42 AM)
Smith is the guy for now. This will be determined as the season continues and if he's getting consistently beaten, they'll put Amos or Washington or Coleman in there.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:14:47 AM)
Can C. Wells catch the ball out of the backfield? How about fumbling? -A lot of freshman have trouble holding on to the football.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:15:19 AM)
He fumbled in the spring scrimmage, so it is an issue. I want to see today how he handles getting 20 carries, etc.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:15:47 AM)
Have you heard anything about some of the smaller recruits from last year's class? Schwartz, Miller, Grant, etc.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:15:56 AM)
Smaller is your word not mine (ha ha) ...

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:16:12 AM)
Grant sounds like he is in the two-deep. Again, I want to see how the others perform today.

jimt09 (Aug 18, 2006 10:16:20 AM)
We regularly rotate d-lineman in and out of the game. Why can't we use the same system with linebackers? Is there something about them needing to get the feel of the game, like they say running backs need to? I guess my thinking is that if all of these guys are roughly even, why not always have a fresh body in there?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:17:01 AM)
I agree. I think this is a year where they'll play 5-6 LBs in every game and rotate due to down-and-distance and blitz package, etc. Terry is a guy who can go and get the QB. He is potentially pretty special.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:17:08 AM)
Any lineman get put in as TEs this year? -In what case would they do that? Seemed to work against Michigan.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:17:26 AM)
I dunno. Sounds like they have what they need with what they have now. Nobody has moved yet that we know of.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:17:32 AM)
Who gets the most sacks this year? Do we get better pressure on the QB from our D-line?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:18:05 AM)
My guess is Gholston on how they are raving about him. Yeah, I think the pressure will be better overall, although Carpenter -- a one of akind talent -- was a big part of that.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:18:23 AM)
How do you see JT opening up our offense against Texas. Do we go downfield early and try to put up a lot of points, or do we try to control the ball?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:19:04 AM)
They will look like they did against Michigan and Notre Dame -- spread the field, multiple formations, attacking in different ways. I liked what I saw with the diversification of the offense by season's end. ...

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:20:04 AM)
A point that can't be made enough is what Smith and Pittman bring. When Smith executes those fakes, those HAVE to be honored. DC's and LBs know that he is worth at least 4-5 yards every time he runs it because he is so slippery. Running the draw out of the shotgun gives him room to get started and a chance to pick lanes ...

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:20:43 AM)
That all opens things up for the passing game, creating mismatches and single coverage. Smith is now capable of finding those mismatches and coverage breaks and exploiting them. He's becoming pretty good (ha ha).

jimt09 (Aug 18, 2006 10:20:54 AM)
Tressel said that outscoring opponents will never be their philosophy. Fine, I guess. Do you think maybe it can just be their gameplan for the first couple of games till the defense has a chance to get some experience?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:21:35 AM)
I think he knows the offense needs to control the clock and field position. That will be crucial probably all the way through mid-October until this defense establishes a clear identity.

AspenBuck (Aug 18, 2006 10:21:45 AM)
Steve, I can't wait to hear that "bum da bum bum bum bum bum bum, bum da bum bum bum bum bum bum, bum da bum bum, bum da bum bum, bum bum bum...." as the band enters the Shoe. I have chills thinking about it. What is you favorite pre-game tradition?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:23:06 AM)
The ramp entrance is good. The whole band pregame show is awesome. That's why we tried to share some of that in the Stadium Series with a lot of people who've never been there. The ramp, processional down the field, national anthem, Script Ohio, Carmen Ohio and finally the tunnel for the players. It always comes off so well.

Mr. February (Aug 18, 2006 10:23:14 AM)
Is this the year Jay Richardson finally realizes his potential and has a big year? Sounds like Gholston and Wilson are ready if he's not.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:23:43 AM)
Agreed, the urgency for Richardson is now. He needs to deliver. Gholston, Barrow, Wilson, Rose and maybe even Worthington and Hoobler are also in the mix.

jimt09 (Aug 18, 2006 10:23:45 AM)
Will the Bucknuts staff be at Monday nights practice, and if so, will you be signing autographs too?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:24:04 AM)
Yeah, I'll be seated right between Ginn, Troy and Tressel (ha ha). We'll be there covering it.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:24:08 AM)
Do we get any interceptions this year? I can't explain why we didn't get more turnovers last year? I think it should help with a young, aggressive, and fast defense.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:25:03 AM)
Creating turnovers has not been a big part of this defense, for some reason, in recent years. They need to get back to forcing fumbles, pressuring QBs and forcing INTs.

Mr. February (Aug 18, 2006 10:25:11 AM)
Any word on how Larimore has looked? Worthington and Williams?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:26:11 AM)
I think Larimore is probably a RS. I think they want to get him in the 290-pound range. With Pitcock, Penton and Patterson at DT and Denlinger as well, he can sit this one out. Williams I heard has been slow getting back into it. Worthington has been practicing,but needs to shake off some rust.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:26:57 AM)
Remember, I have to leave at 2 p.m. OSU has moved the scrimmage to today at 3 p.m., so I have to leave early. Get questions in now. If I don't get to your exact question, maybe somebody else asked it. Check the transcript.

Whio (Aug 18, 2006 10:27:17 AM)
Coach Fickell said in an interview that coach Heacock would only run 2 defensive plays if he had his way. The article also mentioned we'd be more complex on D than we've been led to believe. I'm sure he was joking a little about coach Heacock, but how conservative are his tendencies? How much input does Fickell, Haynes , or Beckman have. Beckman sound like a great hire, very smart.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:28:16 AM)
My guess is he meant they were simplifying it for the young guys. Having veterans they were able to go off the ranch and experiment, knowing that Hawk and Whitner and Carp would pull them out of the fire if they had a break. It is a 4-man staff. Beckman, as a former coordinator, is a wealth of info, I am sure.

jimt09 (Aug 18, 2006 10:28:23 AM)
What brought on the change of moving baby Animal to the middle and Kerr to the outside? Is that a red flag that things weren't clicking with one of them?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:29:13 AM)
I think you have two guys whose bodies were moving in opposite directions. I think they decided after spring that Laurinaitis was going to keep growing and outgrow OLB. At the same time, Kerr was able and willing to shed 13 pounds and work on his speed. I want to see today how that goes.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:29:20 AM)
What makes you so sure that we won't see the same offense this year that we saw last year at Penn State? Even in the Michigan game they seemed flat at times. I guess you could point to the spanking we put on Notre Dame.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:30:06 AM)
Because other than maybe Texas or somebody else, they won't be playing PSU's defense. That was a SPECIAL group. After that, OSU discovered how to run and came up with big plays with the pass.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:30:19 AM)
Who do we lose to the draft this year? I know Ginn says he is staying but I will have to see it to believe it. Barton stay or go? Who else leaves?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:30:48 AM)
My guess is Barton stays and Ginn probably goes. There are only 6-8 other juniors. I don't see any of them, including Pittman, making that jump.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:30:51 AM)
What is the latest on Worthington? Keep an eye on him for us. I could see his huge frame at DT next year.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:31:06 AM)
He was practicing when I was there. He looks good, but he needs a lot of work still.

txbuckeye (Aug 18, 2006 10:31:09 AM)
Sorry I'm late, did I hear that the scrimmage was moved to this afternoon? If so, was this because of weather?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:31:27 AM)
Yes, they expect bad weather tomorrow, so they are being proactive and moving it to today.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:31:38 AM)
What have you heard about Michigan's summer? I think they could be tough this year, in fact I have them beating Notre Dame. Your thoughts?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:32:25 AM)
beating ND in South Bend? I dunno. Michigan may be more of a complete team than ND. I think ND's offense is a 9 and its defense is a 5. The UM offense is a 7 (8 if Hart is full-go) and the defense is a 6 or a 7.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:32:34 AM)
Sounds like D'Andrea doesn't get on the field this year, does he? So sad. Gotta love that kid!

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:32:54 AM)
He gets on the field if he is healthy. Laurinaitis can always move back to OLB if need be in those sets or just take a break.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:32:58 AM)
Who do you see having a bigger year at DT, Penton or Denlinger?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:33:25 AM)
Penton on experience. He'll probably get more opportunities until Denlinger gets his feet on the ground.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:33:28 AM)
Why not have Homan in the middle? He seems to always find the ball and we need the speed on the ouside like Freeman, Grant, and Gibson. Am I wrong?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:34:11 AM)
Homan looked good to me in the spring at OLB, playing the Hawk position. I'd say leave him there. Laurinaitis is probably better suited for MLB now, maybe Homan in a year or 2. Who knows?

smu0104 (Aug 18, 2006 10:34:17 AM)
Just a little fun hypothetical here...If David Lighty were to decide to play only football tomorrow for OSU would he be our best prospect in the post-Ginn era?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:35:03 AM)
Best prospect at WR? Hard to say. Sounds like they are squeezing every drop they can out of Hartline, Robiskie and Gonzalez. Just get production. But Lighty was a nice player his soph year at VASJ.

txbuckeye (Aug 18, 2006 10:35:21 AM)
Will Homan get back on the two deep if or when he is healthy

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:35:29 AM)
He'll push for it, that is for sure.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:35:32 AM)
Who has more yards Ginn or C. Wells?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:36:04 AM)
Rushing? Chris Wells. Overall? Probably Ginn. I bet he has around last year 55 catches, 800 yards. Wells probably be between 500-800 yards rushing

Mr. February (Aug 18, 2006 10:36:07 AM)
Do you expect a big year out of Roy Hall?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:36:30 AM)
Yeah, I think so. He can be a big part of the success, he should face single coverage and that can be a mismatch if he is dialed in.

chuangtsu (Aug 18, 2006 10:36:37 AM)
It sounds like the strength coach is great. How is he different (better)?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:37:23 AM)
Sounds like he is more hands on and more demanding and maybe more regimented. Allan Johnson got great results, but Lichter seems to run a very efficient shop and the players swear they are all better for it.

osufan27 (Aug 18, 2006 10:37:26 AM)
Anything new on Martin or Clifford?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:37:40 AM)
No, we see them in person next weekend. Waiting until then to do an update.

txbuckeye (Aug 18, 2006 10:37:43 AM)
Who would Homan likely replace, Moeller? Do you see Moeller being a sprecial teams monster this year?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:38:01 AM)
Yes and yes. I think Tyler will have a role somehow this year. He has been a big surprise.

buckeyeinsaline (Aug 18, 2006 10:38:10 AM)
Steve - Radio station this morning in Ann Arbor reported that they asked Bo Schembecler at practice yesterday if Loyd Carr needed to win this year to keep his job. BO blew his top on that one and told them that Loyd has a job at Michigan as long as he wants to stay. End of interview.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:38:46 AM)
Good for them. Lloyd is a credit to UM, whether anybody wants to believe it or not. My recurring line on him is this: They could not possibly fire him. That man won the national championship in 1997.

Mr. February (Aug 18, 2006 10:38:54 AM)
Will we see a lot of Chris Wells early on in goal line and 3rd/4th and short situations early on or will Pittman still get most of those carries?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:39:28 AM)
That's my thought. He could be the finisher in short yardage and on the goal line. But Pittman will also want his share of those.

Buckeyesforlife (Aug 18, 2006 10:39:32 AM)
so i got on here late and is the monday practice moved from today at 3?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:39:41 AM)
No, the Saturday scrimmage is today at 3.

Guest (Aug 18, 2006 10:39:45 AM)
Steve, awesome chat today. You have to do another chat and give all of us out of town Buckeyes the full report on this practice! THANKS!

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:40:28 AM)
A reminder, I will Chat Monday at 1 p.m. with details on the scrimmage. We'll have some coverage later. Stay tuned.

lharbers (Aug 18, 2006 10:41:18 AM)
Can you sneak a camera in and webcast for us?

buckeyeinsaline (Aug 18, 2006 10:41:21 AM)
Steve - Your the Man!

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:41:28 AM)
Anything else?

Mr. February (Aug 18, 2006 10:42:36 AM)
Is it wrong that I think Boeckman and Schoenhoft get more PT in garbage time this year in preparation for next fall than Zwick?

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:43:16 AM)
My feeling is Zwick will get the first crack early to keep him sharp, if such chances exist. But the young guys also need to play or 2007 will look an awful lot like 2004.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:43:20 AM)

txbuckeye (Aug 18, 2006 10:43:23 AM)
Can we get your opinion on the LG competition

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:44:03 AM)
Schafer seems to have the first shot. He's a smart player and has the coaches' trust. But Rehring and Skinner are right there. Today should speak volumes. Whoever gets the most done today could be the factor.

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:44:31 AM)
Hey guys, I'm gonna have to cut it off and head to the scrimmage. I'll turn the moderation off and you can talk among yourselves.

Guest (Aug 18, 2006 10:44:33 AM)
Thanks Steve

Mr. February (Aug 18, 2006 10:44:35 AM)
Thanks for the chat Steve!

SteveHelwagen (Aug 18, 2006 10:44:50 AM)
Take care! And stop back later.

AspenBuck (Aug 18, 2006 10:44:55 AM)

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