Chat Transcript - Duane Long

Chat Transcript from 3-6... a lot of info about Ohio's juniors.

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:03:55 PM)
Lets go.

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 4:04:31 PM)
Ok everyone... fire away with questions... they will come to me one at a time. About 10 minutes in I'll start unveiling the top 25

Chas (Mar 6, 2003 4:05:30 PM)
DL, How do you compare the OL's in this class to the Datish, Sims group?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:06:34 PM)
This class is much better. This one is deeper than the Munoz/Hall/Stepanovich/Christopfel class from 4 years ago.

buckaubs (Mar 6, 2003 4:06:41 PM)
Duane - I've been reading some posts on the MB that state tOSU is cooling on Delbert Ferguson. Is that true and if so, why?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:07:33 PM)
No, that is not true. The rumor mill is in overdrive at a very early stage this year. I spoke to delbert last week. Things are fine.

carmen_from_ohio (Mar 6, 2003 4:07:45 PM)
with fred davis, the only WR in state offered are we waiting to hear about the out of state guys first ( xavier from FL, the 2 from TX, etc)

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:09:23 PM)
If you would have asked me that 48 hours ago I would have said maybe but I was just told that that Buckeyes are now making contact with Austintown Fitch about Miles Williams and was told Trumaine Smith has been invited to the senior camp and is a definite target.

Mike68 (Mar 6, 2003 4:09:34 PM)
Duane- other than OL, what position is the next strongest in OH this year

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:10:11 PM)
Tough question. I can't call it between the RBs and WRs but I would say RBs if you put a gun to my head.

IcemanW26 (Mar 6, 2003 4:10:17 PM)
Duane- Is Person the closest thing to a lock we have at OL?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:11:16 PM)
We are in great shape with this monster class. We have 5 kids who stand above the rest and 4 of them, Person, Braxton, Clowser and Cadogen are definite or heavy Buckeye leans.

buckaubs (Mar 6, 2003 4:11:23 PM)
Duane, who is the surprise recruit of the 2004 class...the guy that isn't really on the scope now, but the one that you think might rise significantly?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:12:44 PM)
Eric Haw from Columbus Independence. 6-1 205 and was 4th in the state in the 100 as a sophmore and has ran a 4.39 forty. 1000 yard rusher last year but I think he can be a corner, LB or safety.

BaltimoreBuck (Mar 6, 2003 4:12:49 PM)
Outside of Freeman, is there any linebackers in Ohio the bucks might go after or will we go out of state for a couple. I see Hoobler as a DE.

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 4:13:41 PM)
While Duane answers this question, I will reveal the first five... #25: DT/OL Jeff Browning, Harrison... #24: Brandon Wamsley, DB, Cincinnati Anderson... #23: OL/DT Ryan Stanchek, Cincinnati LaSalle... #22: Trumaine Smith, WR, Warrensville Heights... #21: Chauncey Incarnato, OL, Dover

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:14:13 PM)
I see Hoobler as an LB until I see him grow into a DE. I know I am in the minority. I don't see another LB who is definitely an offer. I think the fastest rising prospect amongst the LBs is Pepper Johnsons son, Dionte.

BaltimoreBuck (Mar 6, 2003 4:14:25 PM)
Now that the bucks have a verbal from Lane, and have offered Ginn Jr., what are the chances of them going after Underwood and Wambsley.

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:16:21 PM)
I say no way to Wamsley because he is a safety only. A really great one but still a one position guy. Underwood has a shot at an offer because he is a corner now who has size and could possibly be a college corner but could slide to safety with that size if he is not a corner. Veratility is highly prized by coach Tressel and the reason Lane was offered.

Mike68 (Mar 6, 2003 4:16:56 PM)
Kirk- After this chat, can you post Duane's Top 25 somehwere on the site so we can refer back to it at times

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 4:16:56 PM)
There will be a transcript... just remember everyone to keep it premium :)

Buckfreak4u (Mar 6, 2003 4:18:55 PM)
Gee too many good RBs this upcoming season. How will Tressel able to pick few? Based on their personality? Instinct?

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 4:19:09 PM)
While Duane's answering that question, I will post 16-20...

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 4:19:31 PM)
#20: Brandon Underwood, DB, Hamilton #19: Gerald Cadogan, OL, Portsmouth #18: Shaun Lane, DB, Hubbard #17: Mike Massey, DE, Cleveland St. Ignatius #16: Darryl Clark, QB, Youngstown Ursuline

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 4:20:34 PM)
And I should say that while we are entering the final stages of this new issue of OFS, the possibility still exists that the rankings could change if we get some persuasive info.

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:20:47 PM)
He will pick the best of the best. No matter how good they are there is some that are better. Also coaches will look for the player that fits their style. That is one reason I rate Raymond Williams better overall but as a back I prefer Gary Russell from Walnut Ridge. I know Williams ran up some eye popping numbers but Russell is built and runs like Rickey Williams.

Kelen (Mar 6, 2003 4:20:56 PM)
Duane who would the fifth lineman be and what is his deal??

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:22:34 PM)
I just have not talked to Chauncey Incarnato. He may well favor the Buckeyes too. I am talking about the ones I have talked to.

buckaubs (Mar 6, 2003 4:22:40 PM)
Duane, Do you think that we will go after and get more guys OOS due to the national championship, or do you think we fill most of our needs in state and have a couple from elsewhere?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:24:45 PM)
I think we may need to leave the state to fill the LB need which I rate as second to the OL need. I see alot of kids who look the part but none are standing out to me on tape. Clevon Speigner from Toledo Start looks really good but has grade problems and may grow into a DE.

IcemanW26 (Mar 6, 2003 4:25:13 PM)
With such a strong Ohio class, will the West Coast guys (Estes, Nicholas, Glasper, etc.) see any real interest from Tress and co.?

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 4:25:33 PM)
While Duane answers this question, time for the next five...

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 4:26:00 PM)
#15: Brandon Armstrong, OL, Clayton Northmont #14: Miles Williams, WR, Austintown-Fitch #13: Gary Russell, RB, Columbus Walnut Ridge #12: Chase Clowser, OL, LaGrange Keystone #11: Anthony Turner, QB, Dayton Chaminade-Julienne

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:26:37 PM)
I am sure the west coast kids will get some attention but it is wise to pick an instate player when all things are equal. There is the matter of building a relationship with the high schools and the coaches and that is far easier with an instate school.

carmen_from_ohio (Mar 6, 2003 4:26:48 PM)
Could Brock Bolen (6'0 230) from Valley View HS be this years Maurice Clarett despite everyone viewing him as a FB. Its good that OSU is looking at him as a RB and invited him to camp. Do you think they want to see what kind of speed he has before ticketing him for TB?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:28:42 PM)
Calling him a Maurice Clarett is asking too much of Brock. I am higher on him than anybody but Maurice is one of the 4 or 5 best I have seen in Ohio. I see Brock as an RB and he is getting heavy interest from around the country and the Buckeyes are sending him 2 letters a week.

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:29:02 PM)
Yes, I think speed will tell alot about an offer.

Buckfreak4u (Mar 6, 2003 4:29:15 PM)
Gee if there are too many terrific players in the team how will Tressel able to keep everyone playing?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:30:16 PM)
I don't understand your question.

catch22 (Mar 6, 2003 4:30:24 PM)
Duane- Tell me this, with all the talent that Cleveland Glenville has been putting out, who will be the best of the bunch when it is all said and done...Hiley, Whitner, Ginn Jr., Woods??

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:31:42 PM)
Probably Ginn jr. He is as complete a corner as you would want. He told me recently that he ran a 4.29. I can confirm he recently ran a 4.35. He is tall and has great hips and will fill out to 200 lbs.

Buckfreak4u (Mar 6, 2003 4:31:11 PM)
Sorry. in other words. the recruits see that OSU has too many terrific players how will tressel keep them in happy?

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 4:31:26 PM)
Time to put out 6-10 while Duane answers those questions...

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 4:31:58 PM)
#10: Ray Williams, RB/DB, Cleveland Benedictine #9: Brian Hoyer, QB, Cleveland St. Ignatius #8: Michael Bell, WR/DB, Shaker Heights #7: Ben Person, OL, Xenia #6: Brandon Braxton, OL, Youngstown Ursuline

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:33:06 PM)
Coach Tressel can't worry about that. All he can do is promise them that all will get a fair shot at playing time. That is all a coach can do. If you have backups that are not complaining about not playing then they are not going to be around long.

Sterlingbuck (Mar 6, 2003 4:33:22 PM)
i live in toledo and have not yet had a chance to see fred davis play, although i will be sure to this year. does he have the potential to have a charles rogers type impact at the college level?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:35:00 PM)
he does. This kid is a beast. He did some things down at the combine that left people slack jawed. He is 215 lbs right now. Kids down there were trying to cover him off the line in drills and he was just destroying them. They had one drill where a player has 10 yards to get away from a defender. His slowest time. SLOWEST. Was 1.8 seconds.

doggie (Mar 6, 2003 4:35:13 PM)
How do you rate the need for a FB. You mention LB as 2nd to LB, where is the FB in your ratings?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:36:50 PM)
I rate FB as a high need but FB is not a key position. I was very disappointed in the play of the FBs last year. A friend that I watch games with was a former Buckeye player and about midseason he mentioned something that stayed with me to this day. He said, "What would Clarett do with Jamar Martin in front of him?"

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 4:37:19 PM)
I am going to post 5-1 now...

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 4:37:34 PM)
#5: Chad Hoobler, LB/TE/DE, Carrollton #4: Marcus Freeman, LB, Huber Heights Wayne #3: Delbert Ferguson, RB, Warren Harding #2: Fred Davis, ATH, Toledo Rogers #1: Ted Ginn, CB, Cleveland Glenville

Doug (Mar 6, 2003 4:37:43 PM)
Duane, Realisticly, how many kids do you think we will land in the top 10 for the state of Ohio for the 2004 class. Or even top 15.

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:39:39 PM)
It depends on how many the Buckeyes target. So many of these kids are definite Buckeye leans. I look at the top 3 backs, Ferguson, Williams and Russell. All 3 are definite to heavy Buckeye leans. If the Buckeyes take all 3 it would be because they see Williams as a DB. So who the Buckeyes target will play a big role in how many we land.

PhotoE (Mar 6, 2003 4:39:49 PM)
I am late, so this may be a repeat; which running back is OSU coveting the most?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:40:04 PM)
Ferguson is still #1.

Buckfreak4u (Mar 6, 2003 4:40:15 PM)
Who is the BEST OOS prospect for Bucks?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:40:43 PM)
I am not up on the out of state kids yet.

buckaubs (Mar 6, 2003 4:40:48 PM)
Duane, You have Armstrong listed above Incarnato, but you said that Incarnato is listed in your top five OL. Do you project Armstrong as something else in college and is he leaning anywhere?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:42:23 PM)
I plan on talking to Brandon and finding out where he is leaning. I keep forgetting about him. Say 4 of the top 6 OLs. He has been very quiet. I love that kid. Great body for an OL. He has the feet and the frame. Really good technique already too.

Chas (Mar 6, 2003 4:42:36 PM)
Top to bottom how do you compare this class to the 2002 class?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:43:59 PM)
This one is better. More kids really came out of nowhere with great junior years. I was not really high on this class this time last year. Most of the OLs were not there yet. Raymond Williams came out of nowhere. Brian Hoyer too. Trumaine Smith.

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:45:10 PM)
Wait a minute. I thought you were talking about the class of 2003.

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:45:13 PM)
I only hope this class is as good as the class of 2002. That was a star studded class that also had depth. This class is not there yet.

Buckfreak4u (Mar 6, 2003 4:44:16 PM)
Whos the MUST get player for OSU (to fill in need?)

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:47:30 PM)
Brandon Braxton and Ben Person. Buckeye fans need to keep a couple of numbers in mind that are very important. 13 and 8. There are only 13 OLs on the current roster and 5 are seniors. I am including Kirk Barton and R.J. Coleman in that 13. That leaves 8 OLs going into the 2004 season as it stands right now. OL is an over the top need.

prabbit (Mar 6, 2003 4:47:51 PM)
Duane, do you think the 2004 class will be an early signing group or a late signing group like this year?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:48:56 PM)
I think it depends on who is offered when. Many of the kids that would accept almost immediately have not been offered yet.

Kelen (Mar 6, 2003 4:49:09 PM)
Duane, The more i read about Chad Hoobler the more it makes me think about Redgie Arden. How would you compare the two? Am i missing something here?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:50:32 PM)
Hoobler has wheels. Arden was never better than a 4.85 runner and I think that was a suspect number or he got a tailwind that day. Hoobler is a better athlete and clearly a better prospect.

carmen_from_ohio (Mar 6, 2003 4:50:42 PM)
Duane are you worried about Marcus Freeman?........have you heard anything pro-Ohio State from him?

Hubbard (Mar 6, 2003 4:50:50 PM)
Duane I know you said you heard that Freemans coach righted the ship(in regards to having scum as his favorite), but some recent news makes it sound like he's mochiogans to lose

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:52:02 PM)
The only positive I can offer on Freeman is coach Minton. Every other bit of info I have on Freeman is he favors Michigan.

Doug (Mar 6, 2003 4:52:22 PM)
Is it possible for us to fill the whole 2004 class with nothing but Ohio kids, or do you think it wise to go after some OOS talent. I'm sure we will recruit OOS, but if the top 20 guys in Ohio want to commit and have schollies already offerred, do we deny any to keep some spots open for OOS talen?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:54:50 PM)
I think LB is such a need and I think we have to go out of state to fill that need so I can't say we go with an entirely Ohio class. I think we may need to go out of state for DLs if the coaching staff decides that is a need. I don't think we will see offers to players instate if the coaching staff decides they want to wait on out of state players especially if they know the kid might verbal.

Sterlingbuck (Mar 6, 2003 4:54:56 PM)
Do you think that we will suffer after this coming season from a lack of depth at the o-line, even though we have started to develop such guys as Sims and Mangold?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:57:44 PM)
Good question. I think Datish stepping in will be crucial. That would give the Buckeyes 3 talented and seasoned veterans to anchor the line of 2004. I would be very worried about as many as 3 freshmen in the starting lineup. 2 is too many but 3 really hurts.

IcemanW26 (Mar 6, 2003 4:57:57 PM)
you know it's a deep year when kids that are Student Sports junior All-Americans aren't top 25 in the state

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 4:59:50 PM)
You are talking about Cameron? I am trying to confirm whether he was even asked to junior day. As of right now the answer is no.

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 5:00:10 PM)
I am going to post the remaining questions, and at the end, I'll post the top 25 one more time. Duane can answer the questions as he can and then after he's done, I'll post the list.

Buckfreak4u (Mar 6, 2003 5:00:18 PM)
In past, which class in your opinion was the best of best?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 5:01:08 PM)
2002 was the best class in about 10 years. I rated it higher than the Katzenmoyer class.

buckaubs (Mar 6, 2003 5:00:23 PM)
Duane, How much does your top 25 change from now to the end of fall typically, and is it mostly moves within, or are there players that may still be unknown.

CMS5 (Mar 6, 2003 5:00:25 PM)
Who do you feel can come in and make an immediate impact?

BaltimoreBuck (Mar 6, 2003 5:00:31 PM)
Do you think Schafer gets moved to OL this year?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 5:01:50 PM)
I definitely think Schafer gets moved to OL in spring.

Sterlingbuck (Mar 6, 2003 5:00:38 PM)
Honestly, how much better is the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP going to make next year's recruiting class? Do you think that will help us get the Wesley Jeffersons and the like from out of state next year?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 5:00:43 PM)
Depth on the OL is going to be a huge concern for years to come. 1 last year and even if we take 5 this year there are 5 seniors.

carmen_from_ohio (Mar 6, 2003 5:01:05 PM)
Mr Bucknuts keeps mentioning Jim Tartt and Calvin Darity from Florida. I know you said you're not up to speed but I wondered if you had heard anything?

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 5:01:05 PM)
We are trying to get in touch with them but haven't had luck yet...


BaltimoreBuck (Mar 6, 2003 5:01:47 PM)
When will OFS's next issue be mailed? and when will the 2003 Bucknuts Recruiting issue be mailed?

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 5:01:47 PM)
We don't handle Bucknuts mag mailing, but that should be arriving within the coming days. We hope to get OFS in the mail by the middle of March.


Buckfreak4u (Mar 6, 2003 5:01:57 PM)
Only 2 LBs in top 20! We have Carpenter, Hawk, Schengel, White, Smith, Cliff Reynolds, even D'Andrea in two years later. Will it be enough?

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 5:02:33 PM)
I don't like the LB depth. Very concerning.

IcemanW26 (Mar 6, 2003 5:02:13 PM)
Duane- Cameron and also Rob Florian (QB from Elder) thought he was a bit of a surprise selection to me

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 5:02:52 PM)
Florian was definitely a surprise. We don't have him in the top 100.

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 5:03:38 PM)
We need to cut it off there... Duane, thanks for joining us! Here's one more review of the top 25...

Kirk (Mar 6, 2003 5:04:07 PM)
#25: Jeff Browning, DT, Harrison #24: Brandon Wamsley, DB, Cincinnati Anderson #23: Ryan Stanchek, OL/DT, Cincinnati LaSalle #22: Trumaine Smith, WR, Warrensville Heights #21: Chauncey Incarnato, OL, Dover #20: Brandon Underwood, DB, Hamilton #19: Gerald Cadogan, OL, Portsmouth #18: Shaun Lane, DB, Hubbard #17: Mike Massey, DE, Cleveland St. Ignatius #16: Darryl Clark, QB, Youngstown Ursuline #15: Brandon Armstrong, OL, Clayton Northmont #14: Miles Williams, WR, Austintown-Fitch #13: Gary Russell, RB, Columbus Walnut Ridge #12: Chase Clowser, OL, LaGrange Keystone #11: Anthony Turner, QB, Dayton Chaminade-Julienne #10: Ray Williams, RB/DB, Cleveland Benedictine #9: Brian Hoyer, QB, Cleveland St. Ignatius #8: Michael Bell, WR/DB, Shaker Heights #7: Ben Person, OL, Xenia #6: Brandon Braxton, OL, Youngstown Ursuline #5: Chad Hoobler, LB/TE/DE, Carrollton #4: Marcus Freeman, LB, Huber Heights Wayne #3: Delbert Ferguson, RB, Warren Harding #2: Fred Davis, ATH, Toledo Rogers #1: Ted Ginn, CB, Cleveland Glenville

Hubbard (Mar 6, 2003 5:04:36 PM)
Thanks Duane

IcemanW26 (Mar 6, 2003 5:04:38 PM)
Thanks Duane and Kirk, have a good one!!

Duane (Mar 6, 2003 5:04:41 PM)
Great chatting with all of you!!! See you next time!!

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