psulions12:what bar would everyone suggest to go to...of all the bars in State College
mxbscout:FOS staffers will be at the Lion's Den from 6-8 p.m. Friday. stop by and say hello
PlaybookMark:The Den is the best
psulions12:if i get there early enough ill try to stop by..i work till around 4, leave my house by 5-530 ish be in state college by 6:30-7. ill try to stop by
DEucEisWILd:when do you guys think we will know if Brod Green is coming up for the game?
mxbscout:Hopefully in the next day or so, Deuce
PlaybookMark:Riva is tracking down Green
mxbscout:Anyone have thoughts on Manningham being out this week?
JoePaoverBowden:I think its a huge break
JoePaoverBowden:I feel for the kid though
psulions12:will help us but wish they had everone
PlaybookMark:Manningham is a huge loss to U-M, but I bet they shift the focus onto their TE and incorprate him more, which is a challenge for PSU
DEucEisWILd:I still think they have some guys that can play at WR though
mxbscout:I'm guessing it frees up King to concentrate on Breaston
psulions12:if we win they will make excuses
PlaybookMark:I compare Breaston to Ginn - strong return skills, not the best receiver
PlaybookMark:I think Arrington is a better all-around wideout
Psu96:I think Michigan is one of the few teams that can absorb a loss like Manningham and still be ok. They will rely on their running game and still have two quality receivers and a good TE
DEucEisWILd:I heard Hart got a little dinged up in last weeks game... true? Back to 100%?
JoePaoverBowden:they must have Wideout tree over at michigan
PlaybookMark:PSU still has to play smart, aggrssive ball to win with or without Manningham
mikestuf04:i feel better about are chances with manningham out hopefully it will take henne a little less comfortable
Psu96:Hart twisted an ankle and sat out the 4th quarter last week, but he's fine
PlaybookMark:DEuces - most guys are banged up at this point in the season
PlaybookMark:They'll tape up Hart and have him go
Psu96:Arrington certainly becomes the deep threat. Breaston is their YAC guy
DEucEisWILd:I wasn't aware Mich has the #1 rush D in the country.....
DEucEisWILd:somethings gotta give.
PlaybookMark:Mich. shut down PJ Hill
Psu96:I won't believe Green is actually coming unless someone spots him on the sideline Saturday
PlaybookMark:PSU should play action, get some passes connected to open up the box and trhen mix in Hunt
PlaybookMark:Michigan is N0. 82 in pass defense
mikestuf04:where do recruits parents go during the game?
mxbscout:they sit with the recruits
mxbscout:behind the PSU bench
HowardStern:are Baker and McEowen going to be able to go?
mikestuf04:mceowen was limping around campus yesterday pretty good
PlaybookMark:Penn State has to play smart ball - and as Paterno said "grow up" as a team
Psu96:Joe singled out the OL as the major area that has to grow up. He challenged them today. We'll have to see how they respond
MrKruger:any idea why we played for OT, when our redzone offense is terrible?
Psu96:He had babied them the entire season to the media until today
PlaybookMark:OL played well against Minney - but Michigan's line is much better - more cohesive
Psu96:Kruger, my guess is that the coaches didn't want to chance a turnover that could lose them the game in regulation
mxbscout:that's exactly it, 96
mxbscout:Joe said as much after the game
MrKruger:the chances for a turnover are just as likely in the red zone though
MrKruger:since majority of teams play zone there
mxbscout:but with the poor red zone offense and defense, and the lousy place-kicking game, I'm not so sure that made sense
PlaybookMark:They had confidence in Hunt's ability in OT
kek174:what's the scouting report on UM's OLine? I thought there were concerns coming into the season?
MrKruger:um's OL is very good
Psu96:You have to think that Joe would have only allowed sideline routes in the passing game and that would make the possibility of another Pick 6 INT very real
MrKruger:Jake Long could be a top 10 NFL pick if he comes out
DEucEisWILd:They have studs on the OLine
PlaybookMark:Bradley has to bring pressure and confusion - letting Henne sit back and pass will spell doom
PlaybookMark:Jake Long is staying at U-M for his fifth year
MrKruger:yep. someone I spoke to today isn't sure that PSU's not going to implement the ND gameplan
DEucEisWILd:I will be very disappointed if Henne's jersey does not have grass stains ALL OVER IT
jimh74:Bradley needs to watch the Eagles IMO
PlaybookMark:That is my cocnern frankly - they are scared to give up the big play so will keep the pressure off
MrKruger:scared to give up the big play, but they don't rotate enough people to allow teams to keep that ball
jimh74:rather bleed to death than take the bullet
MrKruger:so you get worn down instead
kek174:the pressure against T Smith was fairly consistent...and effective (- 1 play)
MrKruger:even that play wasn't a bad play by the defensive line
mxbscout:Michigan has given up seven sacks all season
MrKruger:the pressure forced him to move, but the safety got lost
kek174:i meant in terms of effective...but i agree
PlaybookMark:They need an '05 OSU type plan - without Hali they haveto bring a safety/LB on blitzes/stunts and DISGUISE them
DEucEisWILd:I cannot WAIT to see our DE's in 2 years.... Heck, next year...
MrKruger:we have the CBs to lock down and play pressure defense
DEucEisWILd:JO & MO are gonna be GREAT
trock56:what is the latest on wiz
jimh74:How many times has Donnie Johnson blitzed this year?
MrKruger:i don't recall any 74
PlaybookMark:Bringing DJ would be huge
jimh74:one, notre dame, and he planted quinn on his arse
Psu96:Saying PSU needs to blitz a lot and play pressure defense is like banging your head against a wall. You can do it, but it won't get you anywhere and will likely be painful in the end. :-)
MrKruger:i'm worried about Tim Shaw vs Jake Long
MrKruger:that's a very very bad matchup
futurelion:a safety blitz ? lol. not with this coaching staff
kek174:any thoughts on the recruits who will be at the game? I know of the officials. But I'm referring to the unofficials, ala last year.
CarolinaDave:we dont have a matchup for long
DEucEisWILd:Anyone know if Kenny Tate will be in the building?
mxbscout:we are still working on getting names, kek. Sometimes these things don't come together until late in the week
Psu96:Dave, I think you could say the same about Levi Brown
MrKruger:I think Ed Johnson and Alford may be able to reek some hell in the middle
MrKruger:is that woodley's side?
MrKruger:against Levi? or is that Shaw
Psu96:I honestly don't care who is going against Brown
Psu96:I think he handles them
PlaybookMark:They have to wrap up on Hart - he typically doesn't drop on the first hit
MrKruger:a fumble would be nice
MrKruger:wait, he doesn't fumble
JoePaoverBowden:doesnt Odrick remind you of brown?
CarolinaDave:woodley brown is not the overmatch that we will have facing long
trock56:I did not listen to PC any comments on the snow levi thing
Psu96:They should approach Hart the way they would Hunt. Neither back goes down on first contact
PlaybookMark:The Snow Brown thing is over - no big deal at all
CarolinaDave:good to hear
futurelion:Odrick isn't nearly as big as Brown, but significantly more athletic
mxbscout:trock, Joe said he was actually kind of happy Levi made his feelings known
DEucEisWILd:Odrick & Evans are going to be incredible
trock56:i agree mxb, was hoping snow took it like a man and moved on
mxbscout:a bunch of juniors will be in the house this weekend, too. I know A.J. Alexander is among them
PlaybookMark:Actually Odrick and Brown are pretty much the same size as freshman - Brown had about five pounds on Jared
CarolinaDave:Alexander likes pitt a lot too
trock56:I would love for WIZ to give us a hint after his visit that we are the team to beat
mxbscout:I like Snow. But I'm not sure where he comes off beefin about PT. He is lucky to be on the team
couples:This game plays out just like the OSU game last year with a turnover being the deciding factor.
mxbscout:Alexander may like Pitt, but he's been to a couple of PSU games already this year
PlaybookMark:Mark - true, but these guys fired up - fights break out all the time in practice - it's a game of testosterone
DEucEisWILd:Wasn't Courtney on kickoffs at one point his freshman year?
trock56:I dont mind a guy wanting PT. He is a competitor. But he needs to be able to control himself
kek174:I hope the O finally uses some fakes in regards to some of the "predictable" plays they have been running. I'd like to think they've been setting it up all year. lol
Psu96:Michigan is a better team than OSU was when they came in last year IMO
PlaybookMark:Right now Michigan looks like the best team in the conference
trock56:SO anything on WIZ. I want him to give us a hint after the game
DEucEisWILd:Is everybody wearing WHITE or just students?
JoePaoverBowden:best team in the country
mxbscout:Not sure how you can say that when OSU beat Texas, PSU and Iowa
Psu96:agreed and PSU is worse than they were last year. I just don't like the matchup. Michigan has experienced, veteran guys all over the place and PSU is still lacking at key spots
kek174:but we were the best last year (conf), basically at the same time.
mxbscout:two of them on the road
PlaybookMark:Texas and PSU had unproven QBs
Psu96:Iowa didn't have any firepower left either. I saw that beatdown coming.
mxbscout:you guys have been listening to Paterno for too long
Psu96:I look at it this way. Michigan has equal talent to OSU offensively and their defense is more experienced, not necessarily more athletic though.
CarolinaDave:Brennan, what is your prediction for sat?
mxbscout:McCoy for Texas has 12 TDs and two picks
kek174:SC will burn if we win. lol
mxbscout:Still debating that, Carolina
trock56:espn just reported again of Michigans WR injury and him being out
PlaybookMark:McCoy was a deer in headlights vs. OSU
CarolinaDave:you seriously considering picking psu?
mxbscout:for a reason, Mark
PlaybookMark:Yes he was inexperienced - hence not a challege for OSU - they play now it's more of a game
PlaybookMark:Oh no Bob
JoePaoverBowden:Marks, do you guys think that Tony Hunt will break 100 this week?
Psu96:McCoy made his leap against Oklahoma. He wasn't ready for the big time when OSU came to call
BobLichtenfels:There goes the neighborhood..Who has a chat during a UFC fight?
PlaybookMark:JoePa, depends on the game plan - it will be a challenge - if they depend heavily on him no - if the pasing game gets going he could
mxbscout:That will be a challenge, Joe. I agree with Mark that they will have to get the passing game going to loosen up the Michigan D
JoePaoverBowden:I guess the better question would be then does Morelli have a chance?
PlaybookMark:morelli have a chance to rush for over 100? No
mxbscout:This is a great opportunity for Morelli to prove himself
BWW71:Bob any chance for an update on Moye?
BobLichtenfels:100 for the season maybe
PlaybookMark:This is a huge opportunity to show the world what he is made of
leftcoastpsu:I just hope he doesn't start forcing things again
BobLichtenfels:Nothing has changed with Moye since the last time we spoke to him, he said he wants to focus on the season
CarolinaDave:morelli will struggle against um....he'll see more pressure than ever
JoePaoverBowden:Bob L. who did you like better coming out of highschool Morellis or Henne?
PlaybookMark:He needs to relax and just play his game - progressions are key
jimh74:UM will bait Morelli...
BobLichtenfels:Henne I felt was more polished
BobLichtenfels:Morelli has the better arm
leftcoastpsu:he relies so much on his arm strength when things get tight - hopefully he will work out of it
PlaybookMark:AM also has to get comfortable using Hunt as a check-down - he hesitated using him last week
leftcoastpsu:I hope they move him out of the pocket a little
leftcoastpsu:to avoid the pressure
BobLichtenfels:Henne just has that moxy about him that great QB's have you can just tell
PlaybookMark:Henne's skill is that he wont force balls - he will throw them away, so PSU has to stall the drive
Psu96:Morelli has obviously made strides over the past two games. He's ready to make the leap IMO, but he has to trust what he's seeing
mxbscout:Michigan fan sure did not think that last year, Bob
JoePaoverBowden:Bob L he got the moxy from his highschool coach
PlaybookMark:U-M fans wanted Henne's head last year
BobLichtenfels:You have to remember Morelli has never really been allowed to unleash, this is the first. Penn Hills was run first, run second, throw third
Psu96:I liked the fact that Morelli threw a couple of balls away when nothing was there against Minnesota. It's not a sin to punt
kek174:i hope we have good officials....
couples:I thjnk Joe wants his head this year.
leftcoastpsu:how does PSU get pressure against that oline of Mich
jimh74:I hope we have Henne's head on Saturday, served up by Poz and Connor
Psu96:And the PH passing playbook consisted of throwing it as far as Morelli could and hoping David Harvey could run under it. Not exactly sophisticated
BobLichtenfels:well back then Joe Prokopik was his big target
BobLichtenfels:the former PSU walk-on
PlaybookMark:PSU has to exploit U-M's secondary
PlaybookMark:PSU pressures U-M's OL with disguised schemes, but I am skeptical we see that
PlaybookMark:if they give hm time he will pick thngs apart
jimh74:Only person who doesn't seem to see that is JoePA
BobLichtenfels:Is Levi playing
JoePaoverBowden:does anyone know what Chris Bell's problem is?
PlaybookMark:What do you mean?
jimh74:he's too tall
kek174:ala in all, i think UM's GP changes following the loss of Manningham. Thoughts?
JoePaoverBowden:they arent throwing to him
JoePaoverBowden:there must be something during practice
JoePaoverBowden:does he run bad routes? have trouble catching?
couples:Bob, any surprise name that are interested in PSU at this point?
PlaybookMark:Bell has had issues on routes
PlaybookMark:he has great hands
BobLichtenfels:its been very quiet on the recruiting front
BobLichtenfels:Bell will be fine
leftcoastpsu:hopefully Henne will have a hard time adjusting to losing his go-to rec
PlaybookMark:I think U-M uses the TE more with Manningham out
CarolinaDave:Bob L. if you had to pick now, where do you think mccoy will end up
msj56:u know what sucks...its going to be cold come gametime
BobLichtenfels:Now I would say Pitt if it was today
PlaybookMark:Plus bell has the pressure of being labelled the "greatest freshman in PSU history" :)
kek174:Bob, how aout in 3+ months?
CarolinaDave:good relationship with wanny and the players>
BobLichtenfels:Aaron Berry is a big key and he is tight with Andre Wright at milford. He likes Wannstedt
BobLichtenfels:in 3 months we'll see
PlaybookMark:McCoy's "big time program" comment was rough on Pitt
BobLichtenfels:but its true they are not a big time program right now
DEucEisWILd:I'm sure they will get over it if he decideds to attend that place
JoePaoverBowden:Bob L. have you seen Stephon Green play?
CarolinaDave:bob.....what things give psu an edge w/ mccoy
couples:Pitt is 5-1.
BobLichtenfels:I saw a few minutes of Green, I know I'll take some heat but he reminds me a lot of AZ
BobLichtenfels:great closing speed and a physical finisher.
BobLichtenfels:I didn't say PSU had the edge
BobLichtenfels:He likes the campus and the atmosphere there
PlaybookMark:Well if McCoy is making his call based on the spread - he's not paying attention frankly
JoePaoverBowden:is McCoy coming this weekend?
CarolinaDave:will mccoy be eligible for next fall?
BobLichtenfels:He likes the pro style offense
CarolinaDave:when will he decide?
BobLichtenfels:dont know for sure yet
msj56:has LJ Sr been working any magic lately...any chance marvin ustin makes a surprise visit
BobLichtenfels:Not that I have heard
PlaybookMark:Frankly Id be surprised if Pitt wasn't 5-1 at this stage - actually they should be 6-0 with their schedule
CarolinaDave:who is recruiting mccoy to psu?
BobLichtenfels:Norwood and LJ were before
DEucEisWILd:Is Colasanti ever going to get here for a game?
PlaybookMark:LJ is likely the guy
mxbscout:Norwood has connections at Milford
BobLichtenfels:LJ was in high school. Norwood is the man at Milford
CarolinaDave:bob is mccoy good friends with jb walton
DEucEisWILd:I thought I heard tha McCoy and Walton were roomies at Milford?
youngie:Bob DJ Lenahan from Wilson(Easton)... why no noise about him out there?
BobLichtenfels:I never heard that
PlaybookMark:Will MSU once again be fighting for their bowl life vs. PSU?
BobLichtenfels:we trtied to talk to DJ but it was pointless
mxbscout:Predictions on this week's game (PSU-Michigan)?
rednecklion:Brain says michigan wins 31-13, heart says psu 21-17
JoePaoverBowden:I think we shut Hart down
mxbscout:Michigan 24-17. I was primed to pick PSU, but the Lions made too many mistakes vs. Minnesota
PlaybookMark:Question is does the Nittany Nation meltdown with a loss
DEucEisWILd:exactly redneck... I refuse to say the "L" word
rednecklion:Mark, I don't think so so long as they play well
JoePaoverBowden:Mark, PSU made more mistakes again NW last year
Psu96:That's a rhetorical question Mark. Of course it melts down
youngie:Bob you got quiet pointless on DJ because?
mxbscout:This is THE game that will make the difference between this being a good season and a very good one
jimh74:hell, we melt down when we win...
Natty:Mark-well, do they lose like ND, or lose like OSU, two different stories
rednecklion:good one 74
PlaybookMark:Natty - no it's not - we saw meltdowns with both -
PlaybookMark:I'd say the OSU meltdown was worse
DEucEisWILd:Quarless scores a touchdown late to win the game... mark it down.
Psu96:I don't think it matters. We'll see "Fire everyone" if the team loses by 3 or by 30 IMO because it will be 8 losses in a row to UM
JoePaoverBowden:as long as we have LK meltdown is in the bank
BobLichtenfels:He was always seems preoccupied with everything else. I'll leave it at that
Natty:mark-i was talking about myself
Natty:of course i promised myself I I wouldn't post anymore on game weekends
CarolinaDave:will the attendance be over 110, 000?
PlaybookMark:Carolina - I would guess so
Psu96:Natty, I wish others had that kind of restraint
JoePaoverBowden:if Tony Hunt breaks all time rushing record at PSU, does he deserve HOF consideration?
psunittany:Bob L - appeciate your insight on McCoy .... anything else to add?....
rednecklion:Tony Hunt is simply a stud. Too bad he lacks breakaway speed or look out.
CarolinaDave:we need a big time rb
CarolinaDave:be it mccoy or green
Natty:96-I realized it was a problem when i was looking like one of the more optimistic posters
Psu96:Dave, it isn't looking good for any big time RB at this point
CarolinaDave:96.... i know
Psu96:which is a real shame considering the depth chart
PlaybookMark:If they don;t land a major Rb - I'd bet Williams gets a serious look in the spring
Psu96:That's a byproduct of the 300 mile radius recruiting approach IMO
BobLichtenfels:Not yet Nittany. I'll be talking to him Sunday
CarolinaDave:gotta take care of the pa kids to start
PlaybookMark:Although I still don;t get the issue with Sargeant
mxbpsuscout:OK, that chat wrap will end here, folks. Feel free to stick around and talk off the record.