Clardy's Corner: Moment Of Truth

Two markedly different halves defined Stanford's first meeting with Arizona State. So which half was closer to the truth?



At halftime of Stanford's first meeting with Arizona State, the Card had a whopping 29-0 lead. They had outgained the Sun Devils, 258-101. Their defense had Arizona State totally beaten, with an interception to begin the game and just two first downs allowed in the second quarter. Special teams was outclassing the Sun Devils, too, with long returns giving Stanford short fields and a blocked punt giving the Card a safety.

In the second half of Stanford's first meeting with Arizona State, the Sun Devils outscored the Cardinal, 28-13. They rolled up 316 yards after the break. QB Taylor Kelly finished with 367 yards and three passing scores. Meanwhile, Stanford's offense went three-and-out twice in the fourth quarter before managing a final field goal drive.

Technically, that game was never in doubt. Stanford led by as much as 32 at one point, and the Sun Devils' deficit never got closer than 11 points. Those Jeckyll-and-Hyde halves still added up to a 42-28 win for Stanford.

But which of those halves was closer to the truth?

With his team down 29-0, ASU head coach Todd Graham gathered his team around him on the sideline for a pep talk before heading to the locker room. FOX announcers Gus Johnson and Charles Davis acted like Graham had reinvented the halftime speech, and that ASU's much-improved performance in the second half was proof.

Never mind that Graham tends to gather his team on the sidelines at halftime anyway. But still, the rejuvenated Sun Devils played much better in the final 30 minutes, and restored some drama to the game.

Earlier this week, Graham said that halftime, and how his team responded, was a turning point for their season. It's hard to argue. The next week, Arizona State rolled up 62 points on U$C. Sun Devil mistakes cost them in a loss to Notre Dame in their subsequent game, but since, ASU has been on a seven-game roll. After their loss to Stanford, they failed to score 30 or more points in only one game (a 20-19 comeback win at Utah).

Along the way, defensive tackle Will Sutton emerged from his early-season hibernation to play like many thought he would all year. Running back Marion Grice spent more time in the end zone than Jimmy Hoffa. And now, the Sun Devils are on the cusp of their first Rose Bowl since Jake Plummer was slithering through opposing defenses.

You can say what you want to about Todd Graham. I certainly have. But he is the Pac-12 Coach of the Year for a reason. And the way his team has rebounded from that disastrous first half in Palo Alto is probably the biggest one.

I'll be honest: I thought Arizona State had a very, very good chance of beating Stanford the first time around. I thought the Sun Devils had enough speed on offense and ran a good enough scheme to keep the Treefense off-balance. I also thought Arizona State might be a bit better equipped to deal with the body blows the Cardinal offense likes to dish out, and that the Devils would perhaps swing back with some punches of their own.

For the record, I also feel that way this time around, too.

On paper, Stanford is still a better team than Arizona State. But the gap seems to have narrowed since that first meeting in September. This time around, the biggest difference may be the fact that Stanford has to head to Tempe.

Outside of a complete and total demolition of Washington State in Seattle, the Cardinal have not looked crisp in all phases of the game when they've taken their act on the road. Stanford's game at Army kicked off at 9:00 a.m. Pacific time, and for the most part, the Cardinal played like they needed a wake-up call. The defense was magnificent in Corvallis, but the offense struggled. And we all know what happened in Salt Lake City and South Central.

Back on September 21, I thought Arizona State would come out of the gate doing what should be done against Stanford's defense: dictate the tempo, test them on the perimeter, get their fastest guys the ball in space, and force the Card to tackle in the open field. Utah did it. Oregon has done it before. Arizona State should have done it from the start.

If Stanford's defense can fly around and blitz from all points of the field (some of the blitzes Derek Mason dialed up against Notre Dame were just diabolical), you're dead. But if you can force the Card to stay home, play assignment football, and neutralize those extra-active linebackers, you have a shot.

The true turning point of that game didn't come when Todd Graham did his crowd-pleasing sideline speech at halftime. It came when it finally dawned on ASU's offensive brain trust how to attack the Cardinal. Fortunately for us Stanford rooters, that didn't happen until it was too late.

So, in my mind, that second half on September 21 was a bit closer to the truth. If Arizona State does the things they should have done in the first half, it's a different ballgame. One that I suspect we stand a good chance of seeing on Saturday.

Now, that said, Stanford's offense had touchdown drives of 72 and 90 yards in that first half, so they proved they could move the ball on the Sun Devil defense. The only time the Cardinal really failed to move the ball was when Kevin Hogan and many of the other starters were removed from the game when the Card had a 39-14 lead. When many of those starters were reinserted for Stanford's final drive, they got back in the groove with a nine-play, six-minute march to the field goal to close the scoring.

Meanwhile, the Treefense cornered the Sun Devils into their share of forced errors that day. And, let's face it, Shayne Skov and the crew have handled potent offenses before (ask Oregon, Washington, and Oregon State for their thoughts on this). Plus, as ineffective as ASU's offense was in the first half, their special teams stunk the entire game.

The great thing about football is that the truth tends to come out, somehow, someway. And it usually gets revealed at the most critical moment. Graham and the truth may not necessarily go hand-in-hand at all times, while the last Stanford-Arizona State game left some doubt about the Card's true identity. But make no mistake, Saturday's winner will be the Pac-12's true champion.

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RANDOM PAC-12 THOUGHTS

Sure, Steve Sarkisian's teams could ambush people. But he never delivered The Win that proved the Huskies belonged in the conference's upper tier. Need proof? OK. Here's everything you need to know about the Sarkisian Era in Washington, summed up in one stat: When his Huskies were ranked in the Top 25, they went 2-7 against Pac-12 opponents.

So, yes, consider me underwhelmed by USC's hiring of Sarkisian. And if I'm Washington, why wouldn't I give Ed Orgeron a good, long look?…

Jim Mora is 18-8 in two seasons at UCLA, and as of right now, the Bruins own college football in Los Angeles. But now, just like Sarkisian at Washington, he also needs to prove that his teams can make the leap…

Marcus Mariota is returning for the 2014 season. Good news for the Ducks. Good news, I think, for Mariota's long-term draft stock. Bad news for Pac-12 defensive coordinators…

Oregon has reached the status where a ten-win season can be considered a disaster. Price of progress, I guess…

The bad news: since joining the conference, Utah and Colorado are a combined 13-41 in Pac-12 play. The worse news: both the Utes' and the Buffs' best conference records came in 2011, their first year in the league…

Not a Pac-12 thought, but… Chris Davis will eat and drink free in Auburn for life…

Not a Pac-12 thought, but… lost in that mind-boggling Auburn-Alabama finish: That was an amazing game throughout. I dislike it when people try to anoint something they've just seen as the Best Thing Ever or the Worst Thing Ever. But in this instance, the Instant Classic crown fits. Incredible game…

Not a Pac-12 thought, but… why do I get the feeling that Ohio State is going to have a whale of a time against that rugged Michigan State defense?

Not a Pac-12 thought, but… congratulations to Duke for making the ACC Title Game. But the fact they're in this game says more about the ACC than it does about Duke, quite honestly…

Not a Pac-12 thought, but… in the NFL, the Houston Texans are still mathematically alive for the playoffs. Their record? 2-10. Some might call it parity. I call it a morass of mediocrity…

Not a Pac-12 thought, but… I have to admit, the more time I spend in Virginia Beach, the more I like it. Still too humid for my taste, though…

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PAC-12 PICKS

It has been a long-standing rule that I do not pick Pac-12 conference game involving Stanford, and that will be observed once again this week. So, with that, the Pac-12 Picks are done for the year! Would have been nice to improve upon last year. A brutal stretch ATS midway through the season didn't help though…

Last week: 4-1 (straight-up), 3-2 (ATS).
This year: 35-10 (straight-up), 24-21 (ATS).
Last year: 36-9 (straight-up), 25-20 (ATS).

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Troy Clardy is in his 21st year of following the Cardinal as a columnist, broadcaster, and announcer. In its 12th season of Cardinal commentary, Clardy's Corner appears Wednesdays during the college football regular season on TheBootleg.com. You can also check him out online at TroyClardy.com, hear him on Pittsburgh's Sportsradio 93-7 The Fan, or e-mail him at troyc@thebootleg.com.






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\r\n\r\nAt halftime of Stanford's first meeting with Arizona State, the Card had a whopping 29-0 lead. They had outgained the Sun Devils, 258-101. Their defense had Arizona State totally beaten, with an interception to begin the game and just two first downs allowed in the second quarter. Special teams was outclassing the Sun Devils, too, with long returns giving Stanford short fields and a blocked punt giving the Card a safety. \r\n

\r\nIn the second half of Stanford's first meeting with Arizona State, the Sun Devils outscored the Cardinal, 28-13. They rolled up 316 yards after the break. QB Taylor Kelly finished with 367 yards and three passing scores. Meanwhile, Stanford's offense went three-and-out twice in the fourth quarter before managing a final field goal drive.\r\n

\r\nTechnically, that game was never in doubt. Stanford led by as much as 32 at one point, and the Sun Devils' deficit never got closer than 11 points. Those Jeckyll-and-Hyde halves still added up to a 42-28 win for Stanford.\r\n

\r\nBut which of those halves was closer to the truth?\r\n

\r\nWith his team down 29-0, ASU head coach Todd Graham gathered his team around him on the sideline for a pep talk before heading to the locker room. FOX announcers Gus Johnson and Charles Davis acted like Graham had reinvented the halftime speech, and that ASU's much-improved performance in the second half was proof. \r\n

\r\nNever mind that Graham tends to gather his team on the sidelines at halftime anyway. But still, the rejuvenated Sun Devils played much better in the final 30 minutes, and restored some drama to the game. \r\n

\r\nEarlier this week, Graham said that halftime, and how his team responded, was a turning point for their season. It's hard to argue. The next week, Arizona State rolled up 62 points on U$C. Sun Devil mistakes cost them in a loss to Notre Dame in their subsequent game, but since, ASU has been on a seven-game roll. After their loss to Stanford, they failed to score 30 or more points in only one game (a 20-19 comeback win at Utah).\r\n

\r\nAlong the way, defensive tackle Will Sutton emerged from his early-season hibernation to play like many thought he would all year. Running back Marion Grice spent more time in the end zone than Jimmy Hoffa. And now, the Sun Devils are on the cusp of their first Rose Bowl since Jake Plummer was slithering through opposing defenses.\r\n

\r\nYou can say what you want to about Todd Graham. I certainly have. But he is the Pac-12 Coach of the Year for a reason. And the way his team has rebounded from that disastrous first half in Palo Alto is probably the biggest one.\r\n

\r\nI'll be honest: I thought Arizona State had a very, very good chance of beating Stanford the first time around. I thought the Sun Devils had enough speed on offense and ran a good enough scheme to keep the Treefense off-balance. I also thought Arizona State might be a bit better equipped to deal with the body blows the Cardinal offense likes to dish out, and that the Devils would perhaps swing back with some punches of their own.\r\n

\r\nFor the record, I also feel that way this time around, too.\r\n

\r\nOn paper, Stanford is still a better team than Arizona State. But the gap seems to have narrowed since that first meeting in September. This time around, the biggest difference may be the fact that Stanford has to head to Tempe.\r\n

\r\nOutside of a complete and total demolition of Washington State in Seattle, the Cardinal have not looked crisp in all phases of the game when they've taken their act on the road. Stanford's game at Army kicked off at 9:00 a.m. Pacific time, and for the most part, the Cardinal played like they needed a wake-up call. The defense was magnificent in Corvallis, but the offense struggled. And we all know what happened in Salt Lake City and South Central.\r\n

\r\nBack on September 21, I thought Arizona State would come out of the gate doing what should be done against Stanford's defense: dictate the tempo, test them on the perimeter, get their fastest guys the ball in space, and force the Card to tackle in the open field. Utah did it. Oregon has done it before. Arizona State should have done it from the start.\r\n

\r\nIf Stanford's defense can fly around and blitz from all points of the field (some of the blitzes Derek Mason dialed up against Notre Dame were just diabolical), you're dead. But if you can force the Card to stay home, play assignment football, and neutralize those extra-active linebackers, you have a shot.\r\n

\r\nThe true turning point of that game didn't come when Todd Graham did his crowd-pleasing sideline speech at halftime. It came when it finally dawned on ASU's offensive brain trust how to attack the Cardinal. Fortunately for us Stanford rooters, that didn't happen until it was too late.\r\n

\r\nSo, in my mind, that second half on September 21 was a bit closer to the truth. If Arizona State does the things they should have done in the first half, it's a different ballgame. One that I suspect we stand a good chance of seeing on Saturday.\r\n

\r\nNow, that said, Stanford's offense had touchdown drives of 72 and 90 yards in that first half, so they proved they could move the ball on the Sun Devil defense. The only time the Cardinal really failed to move the ball was when Kevin Hogan and many of the other starters were removed from the game when the Card had a 39-14 lead. When many of those starters were reinserted for Stanford's final drive, they got back in the groove with a nine-play, six-minute march to the field goal to close the scoring. \r\n

\r\nMeanwhile, the Treefense cornered the Sun Devils into their share of forced errors that day. And, let's face it, Shayne Skov and the crew have handled potent offenses before (ask Oregon, Washington, and Oregon State for their thoughts on this). Plus, as ineffective as ASU's offense was in the first half, their special teams stunk the entire game.\r\n

\r\nThe great thing about football is that the truth tends to come out, somehow, someway. And it usually gets revealed at the most critical moment. Graham and the truth may not necessarily go hand-in-hand at all times, while the last Stanford-Arizona State game left some doubt about the Card's true identity. But make no mistake, Saturday's winner will be the Pac-12's true champion.\r\n

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\r\nRANDOM PAC-12 THOUGHTS\r\n

\r\nSure, Steve Sarkisian's teams could ambush people. But he never delivered The Win that proved the Huskies belonged in the conference's upper tier. Need proof? OK. Here's everything you need to know about the Sarkisian Era in Washington, summed up in one stat: When his Huskies were ranked in the Top 25, they went 2-7 against Pac-12 opponents.\r\n

\r\nSo, yes, consider me underwhelmed by USC's hiring of Sarkisian. And if I'm Washington, why wouldn't I give Ed Orgeron a good, long look?…\r\n

\r\nJim Mora is 18-8 in two seasons at UCLA, and as of right now, the Bruins own college football in Los Angeles. But now, just like Sarkisian at Washington, he also needs to prove that his teams can make the leap…\r\n

\r\nMarcus Mariota is returning for the 2014 season. Good news for the Ducks. Good news, I think, for Mariota's long-term draft stock. Bad news for Pac-12 defensive coordinators…\r\n

\r\nOregon has reached the status where a ten-win season can be considered a disaster. Price of progress, I guess…\r\n

\r\nThe bad news: since joining the conference, Utah and Colorado are a combined 13-41 in Pac-12 play. The worse news: both the Utes' and the Buffs' best conference records came in 2011, their first year in the league…\r\n

\r\nNot a Pac-12 thought, but… Chris Davis will eat and drink free in Auburn for life…\r\n

\r\nNot a Pac-12 thought, but… lost in that mind-boggling Auburn-Alabama finish: That was an amazing game throughout. I dislike it when people try to anoint something they've just seen as the Best Thing Ever or the Worst Thing Ever. But in this instance, the Instant Classic crown fits. Incredible game…\r\n

\r\nNot a Pac-12 thought, but… why do I get the feeling that Ohio State is going to have a whale of a time against that rugged Michigan State defense?\r\n

\r\nNot a Pac-12 thought, but… congratulations to Duke for making the ACC Title Game. But the fact they're in this game says more about the ACC than it does about Duke, quite honestly…\r\n

\r\nNot a Pac-12 thought, but… in the NFL, the Houston Texans are still mathematically alive for the playoffs. Their record? 2-10. Some might call it parity. I call it a morass of mediocrity…\r\n

\r\nNot a Pac-12 thought, but… I have to admit, the more time I spend in Virginia Beach, the more I like it. Still too humid for my taste, though…\r\n

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\r\nPAC-12 PICKS\r\n

\r\nIt has been a long-standing rule that I do not pick Pac-12 conference game involving Stanford, and that will be observed once again this week. So, with that, the Pac-12 Picks are done for the year! Would have been nice to improve upon last year. A brutal stretch ATS midway through the season didn't help though…\r\n

\r\nLast week: 4-1 (straight-up), 3-2 (ATS).\r\n
This year: 35-10 (straight-up), 24-21 (ATS).\r\n
Last year: 36-9 (straight-up), 25-20 (ATS).\r\n

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\r\nTroy Clardy is in his 21st year of following the Cardinal as a columnist, broadcaster, and announcer. In its 12th season of Cardinal commentary, Clardy's Corner appears Wednesdays during the college football regular season on TheBootleg.com. You can also check him out online at TroyClardy.com, hear him on Pittsburgh's Sportsradio 93-7 The Fan, or e-mail him at troyc@thebootleg.com.\r\n


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","mobileBody":" Follow @TheBootleg At halftime of Stanford's first meeting with Arizona State, the Card had a whopping 29-0 lead. They had outgained the Sun Devils, 258-101. Their defense had Arizona State totally beaten, with an interception to begin the game and just two first downs allowed in the second quarter. Special teams was outclassing the Sun Devils, too, with long returns giving Stanford short fields and a blocked punt giving the Card a safety.

In the second half of Stanford's first meeting with Arizona State, the Sun Devils outscored the Cardinal, 28-13. They rolled up 316 yards after the break. QB Taylor Kelly finished with 367 yards and three passing scores. Meanwhile, Stanford's offense went three-and-out twice in the fourth quarter before managing a final field goal drive.

Technically, that game was never in doubt. Stanford led by as much as 32 at one point, and the Sun Devils' deficit never got closer than 11 points. Those Jeckyll-and-Hyde halves still added up to a 42-28 win for Stanford.

But which of those halves was closer to the truth?

With his team down 29-0, ASU head coach Todd Graham gathered his team around him on the sideline for a pep talk before heading to the locker room. FOX announcers Gus Johnson and Charles Davis acted like Graham had reinvented the halftime speech, and that ASU's much-improved performance in the second half was proof.

Never mind that Graham tends to gather his team on the sidelines at halftime anyway. But still, the rejuvenated Sun Devils played much better in the final 30 minutes, and restored some drama to the game.

Earlier this week, Graham said that halftime, and how his team responded, was a turning point for their season. It's hard to argue. The next week, Arizona State rolled up 62 points on U$C. Sun Devil mistakes cost them in a loss to Notre Dame in their subsequent game, but since, ASU has been on a seven-game roll. After their loss to Stanford, they failed to score 30 or more points in only one game (a 20-19 comeback win at Utah).

Along the way, defensive tackle Will Sutton emerged from his early-season hibernation to play like many thought he would all year. Running back Marion Grice spent more time in the end zone than Jimmy Hoffa. And now, the Sun Devils are on the cusp of their first Rose Bowl since Jake Plummer was slithering through opposing defenses.

You can say what you want to about Todd Graham. I certainly have. But he is the Pac-12 Coach of the Year for a reason. And the way his team has rebounded from that disastrous first half in Palo Alto is probably the biggest one.

I'll be honest: I thought Arizona State had a very, very good chance of beating Stanford the first time around. I thought the Sun Devils had enough speed on offense and ran a good enough scheme to keep the Treefense off-balance. I also thought Arizona State might be a bit better equipped to deal with the body blows the Cardinal offense likes to dish out, and that the Devils would perhaps swing back with some punches of their own.

For the record, I also feel that way this time around, too.

On paper, Stanford is still a better team than Arizona State. But the gap seems to have narrowed since that first meeting in September. This time around, the biggest difference may be the fact that Stanford has to head to Tempe.

Outside of a complete and total demolition of Washington State in Seattle, the Cardinal have not looked crisp in all phases of the game when they've taken their act on the road. Stanford's game at Army kicked off at 9:00 a.m. Pacific time, and for the most part, the Cardinal played like they needed a wake-up call. The defense was magnificent in Corvallis, but the offense struggled. And we all know what happened in Salt Lake City and South Central.

Back on September 21, I thought Arizona State would come out of the gate doing what should be done against Stanford's defense: dictate the tempo, test them on the perimeter, get their fastest guys the ball in space, and force the Card to tackle in the open field. Utah did it. Oregon has done it before. Arizona State should have done it from the start.

If Stanford's defense can fly around and blitz from all points of the field (some of the blitzes Derek Mason dialed up against Notre Dame were just diabolical), you're dead. But if you can force the Card to stay home, play assignment football, and neutralize those extra-active linebackers, you have a shot.

The true turning point of that game didn't come when Todd Graham did his crowd-pleasing sideline speech at halftime. It came when it finally dawned on ASU's offensive brain trust how to attack the Cardinal. Fortunately for us Stanford rooters, that didn't happen until it was too late.

So, in my mind, that second half on September 21 was a bit closer to the truth. If Arizona State does the things they should have done in the first half, it's a different ballgame. One that I suspect we stand a good chance of seeing on Saturday.

Now, that said, Stanford's offense had touchdown drives of 72 and 90 yards in that first half, so they proved they could move the ball on the Sun Devil defense. The only time the Cardinal really failed to move the ball was when Kevin Hogan and many of the other starters were removed from the game when the Card had a 39-14 lead. When many of those starters were reinserted for Stanford's final drive, they got back in the groove with a nine-play, six-minute march to the field goal to close the scoring.

Meanwhile, the Treefense cornered the Sun Devils into their share of forced errors that day. And, let's face it, Shayne Skov and the crew have handled potent offenses before (ask Oregon, Washington, and Oregon State for their thoughts on this). Plus, as ineffective as ASU's offense was in the first half, their special teams stunk the entire game.

The great thing about football is that the truth tends to come out, somehow, someway. And it usually gets revealed at the most critical moment. Graham and the truth may not necessarily go hand-in-hand at all times, while the last Stanford-Arizona State game left some doubt about the Card's true identity. But make no mistake, Saturday's winner will be the Pac-12's true champion.

********** ********** **********

Sure, Steve Sarkisian's teams could ambush people. But he never delivered The Win that proved the Huskies belonged in the conference's upper tier. Need proof? OK. Here's everything you need to know about the Sarkisian Era in Washington, summed up in one stat: When his Huskies were ranked in the Top 25, they went 2-7 against Pac-12 opponents.

So, yes, consider me underwhelmed by USC's hiring of Sarkisian. And if I'm Washington, why wouldn't I give Ed Orgeron a good, long look?…

Jim Mora is 18-8 in two seasons at UCLA, and as of right now, the Bruins own college football in Los Angeles. But now, just like Sarkisian at Washington, he also needs to prove that his teams can make the leap…

Marcus Mariota is returning for the 2014 season. Good news for the Ducks. Good news, I think, for Mariota's long-term draft stock. Bad news for Pac-12 defensive coordinators…

Oregon has reached the status where a ten-win season can be considered a disaster. Price of progress, I guess…

The bad news: since joining the conference, Utah and Colorado are a combined 13-41 in Pac-12 play. The worse news: both the Utes' and the Buffs' best conference records came in 2011, their first year in the league…

Chris Davis will eat and drink free in Auburn for life…

lost in that mind-boggling Auburn-Alabama finish: That was an amazing game throughout. I dislike it when people try to anoint something they've just seen as the Best Thing Ever or the Worst Thing Ever. But in this instance, the Instant Classic crown fits. Incredible game…

why do I get the feeling that Ohio State is going to have a whale of a time against that rugged Michigan State defense?

congratulations to Duke for making the ACC Title Game. But the fact they're in this game says more about the ACC than it does about Duke, quite honestly…

in the NFL, the Houston Texans are still mathematically alive for the playoffs. Their record? 2-10. Some might call it parity. I call it a morass of mediocrity…

I have to admit, the more time I spend in Virginia Beach, the more I like it. Still too humid for my taste, though…

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It has been a long-standing rule that I do not pick Pac-12 conference game involving Stanford, and that will be observed once again this week. So, with that, the Pac-12 Picks are done for the year! Would have been nice to improve upon last year. A brutal stretch ATS midway through the season didn't help though…

4-1 (straight-up), 3-2 (ATS). 35-10 (straight-up), 24-21 (ATS). 36-9 (straight-up), 25-20 (ATS). ********** ********** **********

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