Both teams have revamped their lineups since the first meeting Dec. 7, a 59-43 win for the Lady Vols that came after they had logged more than 13,000 air miles while playing in the Virgin Islands and California.
"I think both teams are different," George Washington coach Joe McKeown said. "I looked at the tape last night of those games. Tennessee is a little bit different team now; they have kind of reinvented themselves in the middle of the season. They're playing really well; we're playing really well. And early December is tough on everybody. You're still trying to find yourself."
Tennessee will have two different starters in the lineup tonight in senior center Tye'sha Fluker and junior forward Sidney Spencer. Sophomore guard Sa'de Wiley-Gatewood left the team two weeks after that game to transfer. Sophomore guard Alexis Hornbuckle just returned to action Sunday after breaking her right wrist in February and is coming off the bench. George Washington also has one different starter in freshman center Jazmine Adair. Her twin sister, Jessica Adair, who is an inch taller at 6'4, didn't play in the first game against Tennessee but now comes off the bench and averages 6.7 points and 4.7 rebounds a game.
Summitt will stay with her big lineup with Shanna Zolman, the only starter under 6'3, running the point. Hornbuckle, who amazed Summitt with her smooth transition back to the game, will play a significant reserve role.
The Colonials have, according to McKeown, "one of the top point guards in college basketball" in Kimberly Beck, who had 13 assists to go with 15 points in George Washington's first round 87-72 win over Old Dominion on Sunday.
The starting lineups are expected to look like this:
TENNESSEE: Shanna Zolman, No. 5, 5'10 senior guard, 15.0 points per game, 2.8 rebounds per game, 3.1 assists per game; Sidney Spencer, No. 1, 6'3 junior forward, 9.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg; Candace Parker, No. 3, 6'4 freshman forward, 16.9 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 2.9 apg, 2.2 blocks per game; Nicky Anosike, No. 55, 6'4 sophomore forward/center, 7.1 ppg, 5.3 rpg; and Tye'sha Fluker, No. 50, 6'5 senior center, 9.8 ppg, 4.6 rpg.
GEORGE WASHINGTON: Kimberly Beck, No. 5, 5'8 sophomore guard, 11.3 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 5.4 apg; Kenan Cole, No. 20, 5'10 junior guard, 8.5 ppg, 4.3 rpg; Whitney Allen, No. 3, 5'11 junior guard, 6.8 ppg, 5.4 rpg; Jessica Simmonds, No. 41, 6'2 senior forward, 10.7 ppg, 7.4 rpg; and Jazmine Adair, No. 21, 6'3 freshman center, 3.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg.
"Obviously we are excited to be playing against George Washington," said coach Pat Summitt, who collected her 90th win in the NCAA tourney on Sunday. "I think sometimes it's good to know a little bit about personnel and the team going into it and what to expect from a standpoint of scouting, and having played them on their home floor. It was a tough game for us for a big part of the way, and I think this team that we'll face is a much improved basketball team. But I also think that our basketball team has improved as well, so we look forward to the matchup."
Tennessee has to recalibrate its focus from the emotional high of Sunday's 102-54 win over Army, in which Parker dunked twice to make women's college basketball history. The Lady Vols also got back their emotional leader in Hornbuckle. It didn't sound Monday like the team will have any trouble. Hornbuckle said she watched basketball with teammate Sybil Dosty and then took a nap while some other players went to the mall. Parker said she had some strawberry cheesecake, watched TV and soaked in a hot tub.
"It was an exciting day, but we have so many more goals that we have yet to accomplish," Parker said.
Parker said the explosion in media coverage is something she's been through before such as when she won the dunk contest at the McDonald's All-American game in 2004, when she announced her decision to go to Tennessee and before this season started in her relatively short but already storied collegiate career.
"I've actually had experience with that in high school and into college," Parker said. "I don't get too excited about it. It's something I take in stride. We have a much greater goal at hand that we have to focus on now. I think that we're still focused on that goal and not really focused on all the attention. We just want to win a national championship and then after that I'll pay attention to all that other stuff."
George Washington's players entertained some media questions about the dunk, but they sounded as if they'd rather not. Simmonds made it clear that Parker won't dunk against the Colonials.
"No. That's not happening," Simmonds said when asked if she was worried about Parker dunking again.
When asked for her impression of the dunks Simmonds said, "Her dunks are what it was. It was against Army, and she pulled off two, which is pretty impressive. But, I mean, it's just like any other player. I'm going to play her (like any other player). She's a great ballplayer, but you have to step up in big games."
When the writer pushed the issue and asked if George Washington had a plan for stopping her, McKeown answered, "We're not saying."
As far as his impressions, McKeown said, "I think our game's better than that now. I think our game's about past that. I think there should be a lot more focus on her talent, her ability, some of the other players on Tennessee, some of the other players in this tournament. I just think our game's better than that now. That's my opinion."
George Washington knows it has to stop both Parker, whose versatility presents matchup difficulties, and Zolman, who is one of Tennessee's best long-range shooters.
"She's a tough matchup on our team," Beck said of Parker. "I think we're going to try to lock her down and see what happens."
Sophomore guard Sarah-Jo Lawrence, who is the team's sixth woman and scored 20 points against ODU, said the Colonials couldn't lose Zolman on the floor.
"Keep a hand in her face at all times," Simmonds added.
Simmonds noted that the Lady Vols' lineup was large, but she hoped George Washington could take advantage of its quickness.
"We know that they're starting about four posts right now so we know we have a lot of speed so we can actually adapt to that and maybe take them off the dribble, pull up, because they are posts, and some of them are slow on their feet," Simmonds said. "But they also are big so we have to always keep a body on them and play them straight up inside because they have the height advantage."
"At the beginning of the season when we played them, they had more athletic guard play … take you off the dribble, and now they've got shooters that we are going to have to adapt to," Lawrence said.
Summitt, who noted that the Colonials had made significant improvements since December, knows that opponents will try to dribble drive on Tennessee. It was the same strategy Army used, and it worked for the first 10 minutes of the game before Parker dunked, and Tennessee went on a resounding run.
"I just think they're playing much better together," Summitt said. "Their high-low game has really improved and we were able to disrupt them some, but we had to switch defenses in that game. They just do a great job of distributing the basketball and getting paint points. I think they're better off the dribble now. They challenged us in the one-on-one dribble drives, and got a lot of paint points because of it and broke our defense down.
"That's been a place where we have been inconsistent at times. I thought it was interesting in the Army game. It reminded me of the Florida game in the first half. They just had their way of taking the ball to the paint off the dribble drive from wing to middle. I said if I hadn't known better I'd think they watched the Florida game. One of my assistants said, ‘That's the tape they requested. That's the one they had.' I said, ‘No wonder. They're attacking us.'
"I think George Washington will do the same thing. I just think we have to come in and be just a little bit tougher defensively because this team can break you down off the dribble and they need that. They need that to put up the points to beat a team like Tennessee so we have to take away what they do best."
Tennessee will look to do what it does best – score inside and let Parker roam the perimeter and the paint. The Lady Vols also will look to the bench for help. Dosty scored a career-high 12 points against Army.
"It's tournament time," Dosty said. "We have to have everybody stepping up and on their best game right now. I'm excited (about the career high), but it's not my goal to go in there and score however many points but to go in there and get some boards, play good defense to help out my team however I can. It's like a new season. We've got to come in there a lot stronger. Everybody has to step up off the bench and starters as well. Everybody has to be ready to go right now."
Summitt will look for Parker, who had 26 points and a career-high seven assists to go with the two dunks in the win over Army, to continue her ever-expanding role that still remains within the team system.
McKeown noticed the evolution of Parker's game by watching the tape of the last game with his team and comparing it to more recent play, such as the SEC tourney title game against LSU.
"The first time we played her, she would shoot within the flow of the offense if the ball came to her, and if it didn't someone else would shoot," McKeown said. "It seems to me she is much more aggressive offensively looking to shoot the ball from different spots on the floor. She's expanded her range. She can play the point-forward. The one thing that worries you about her on the blocks is her left hand is as good as her right hand – the left-handed jumper in the lane is a tough matchup."
Parker's approach as the season opened was to get her teammates involved. She didn't force her shots and often looked to find an open player. As the season unfolded, she began to unveil more of her overall game. When Hornbuckle went out, Parker had to play more on the perimeter and handle the ball like a guard. She had games where her points came both in the paint and from the wings and baselines, depending on what the defense gave her and where the team needed her to play. By the time March started she was clearly a go-to player, but – because of her earlier approach – she wasn't the only one. Zolman was already in that role and has been joined by Fluker and Spencer, who also can put up a lot of points for Tennessee.
"I think Candace has really worked hard throughout the season to really be a great teammate, and she's done that," Summitt said. "Look at her stat lines, just her assists, how she sets her teammates up, and obviously in drawing a lot of double teams she's played very well out of that. I just think she wanted to be a great teammate, she's been a great teammate, and she's stepped it up obviously in our first game of the NCAA Tournament. That's not because someone had to say, ‘Candace, you need to step it up.'
"She understands this time of the year. I watched her in high school. She always took it to another level when they got into the playoffs. I'm not surprised by this, and I'm very pleased because she needs to take on a big role with this team, and no one knows that better than Candace."
There was no better example of that team-oriented approach than the team's attitude in the locker room Monday. Nobody wanted to talk about the dunk – least of all Parker – but they were more than willing – including Parker – to talk about how the dunks were set up.
The first one came off a Spencer block and rebound. She fired an outlet pass to Parker, who took off down court. The second one came in the half-court offense on a perfect bounce pass from Anosike in a play she called and set up.
"Nicky set it all up," Hornbuckle said. "We ran our little offense. Nicky called for the ball. Nicky actually told Candace to go for the dive (to the basket). She dropped it off to her. Candace finished the play. If Nicky hadn't passed it to her, it wouldn't be a dunk in the half-court. There were two parts to the second dunk."
As far as Spencer's outlet pass, "it's a team game, so everything just gets thrown together and whoever finishes the play finishes the play. Candace finished both of those plays very high," Hornbuckle said.
Anosike noticed Parker was being overplayed and thought a backdoor give-and-go would work well.
"I just knew that they were denying her heavy so I called it out," Anosike said. "I think Lex gave me the ball, and I just called for the dive play, and she cut to the basket. I knew she was going to be open because I saw they were in heavy denial on the wings and in the corners. I knew she would be open; I didn't know she would dunk it, though. That was great that she did."
As far the well executed pass that bounced right where Parker wanted to pick it up, Anosike said, "We do it a number of times in practice. We've done it in games before. I actually tried to get Dom (Redding) one in the game, but she stepped out of bounds. It's an effective play."
Parker was talking to reporters nearby as Hornbuckle and Anosike discussed the set up to the dunks.
"This whole thing is about the team," Parker said. "We definitely are a great team. You can pick your poison, because we are so versatile and we play together so much. If one person's hot, we're feeding that person. If another person's hot we're feeding them. I think we pick each other up, and that's something that we didn't necessarily do that well at the beginning of the season, and I think we're improving now."
Spencer, despite being in the next room, had also picked up on the theme. When told that Zolman was three 3-pointers away from setting the school's career record with 257, she said, "I had no idea. I'm going to pass her the ball."
"I think that's amazing," Spencer said. "It shows how much work she's put into her shooting, how great of a shooter she is. I think she takes really smart shots. She doesn't try to overdo it. To be able to come out and break that record, if she does, it's amazing within the Tennessee system. The Tennessee system is not about one player; it's about all five players. For her to do that it says a lot about the work's she done."
Zolman should start seeing even more open looks with the return of Hornbuckle to the point position. When Hornbuckle is on the floor, Zolman can move to the wing, where she has played most of her career.
"Being a point guard is completely different from being used to the two guard because you have so much more to worry about, and so many other aspects of the game that you have to worry about than just getting the ball in your hands to shoot or dish to somebody inside," Zolman said. "There is a lot more on your plate because you have to be a strong leader and an extension of the coach on the floor. You need to continue to be in constant communication with the coach on the sidelines as well as your teammates on the court. I have a much greater appreciation for Alexis' position. It opened my eyes to how much I appreciate the two guard spot."
Zolman was probably very happy to hear that Hornbuckle woke up Monday morning with a healthy wrist despite playing 17 minutes in her first game since Feb. 12. She had six rebounds, four assists and four steals.
"It feels good," Hornbuckle said. "Actually this morning was probably the best it's felt waking up. I figured that it might be swollen, but it wasn't swollen. I was happy about that."
Although her teammates missed Hornbuckle's presence on the floor for the past five weeks, they did learn how to play without her. Now that she's back they see the team as even stronger.
"I think everybody had to change roles, everybody had to step up their game when Alexis went out," Parker said. "When she first went out, we talked about the things that we had to make up because she did so much for our team in terms of rebounding, steals, breaking down defenses so I think everybody had to step up. I think it has made us better now, because now that she returned everybody has matured. We have bigger roles now."
"I think it's just like Candace said," Hornbuckle said. "When I went out everybody stepped up and assumed different roles. Shanna stepped up in the point guard role and was running point throughout the whole game. Now she's happy. She told me yesterday, ‘Hey I like having you back so I can run the two position.' It makes it a lot easier. Everybody brings the same intensity on defense, everybody's doing exactly what needs to be done and not slacking off."
Summitt certainly liked what she saw Sunday from Hornbuckle.
"I told her I thought she did a great job," Summitt said. "She responded maybe even better than I had anticipated. I thought it was important for her to get some quality minutes. As things played out I wanted to give her more minutes. I had gone into the game thinking 10, 12 minutes and she played 17 minutes. The thing I liked is she was just as aggressive as prior to her injury. I don't think the injury really had an impact on her taking the basketball and running up their backs and playing tough on the defensive end. She was our leading rebounder as well. For her to come back in and get six boards was key."
McKeown said the effect of Hornbuckle exiting and Zolman entering at point was evident on tape. With Parker also providing help to run the offense, the team had to get comfortable with each other on the floor because there wasn't one person at the helm.
"They've all played so much basketball together now that they kind of play off of each other," he said. "It doesn't matter who has the ball, because they seem to be in sync right now."
McKeown doesn't want to see his players back down from Tennessee or be intimated by the Lady Vols tradition. Tennessee has never failed to make the Sweet 16 since the tournament began in 1982.
You don't want to get caught up playing the uniform. You want to play against the players in it," McKeown said. "That's a little bit of a cliché, but they have such great tradition. We're proud of our tradition, too – we haven't won six national championships, but we've been to 13 NCAA tournaments. We've got tough kids. I don't think we're going to back down. … This is what college basketball should be like in March."
For its part Tennessee has to forget about the dunks and turn its attention to trying to advance in the tourney. The players didn't seem to think that would be an issue.
"I don't think we're on like Cloud Nine because Alexis is back and Candace dunked," Spencer said. "I think that was something that was great for women's basketball, the dunks, and then Alexis coming back is great for our team. It adds another player, it adds transition, it adds rebounding. I think we're just going to build on it. I don't think we're going to have to come back to Earth to play. I know coach has really got us focused on each game at a time so we're trying to build on what we did good against Army and focus on that for George Washington. She got us focused during practice today. She reminds us it's survive and advance. You lose; you go home. I think just knowing that in general helps us to remain focused."
Fluker also cited the Summitt effect in keeping the team on task.
"I think we keep our same routine," Fluker said. "We still do our scouting. We go out on the floor and prepare. We walk through their sets. We come prepared to the gym.
"We also have Pat Summitt as a coach so that's not hard. It's all fun and games when we're out there. It's all fun and games as a team, but we also know this is business and we all know where we're trying to go in the tournament. I think everybody's mature enough to refocus and get back to the job at hand."
Summitt didn't seem concerned at all about the team finding its focus.
"We're playing to get to a Sweet Sixteen," she said. "The stakes are high and it's the only way we can potentially reach our final goal. I could walk around paranoid thinking they're not ready, but they'll be ready. When it's time to flip the switch I think they'll be ready."
SCOUTING REPORT: Assistant coach Dean Lockwood handled the scouting report for the George Washington game. Here's his assessment.
"They shoot the ball from behind the arc OK; I won't say they're the best perimeter shooting team we've faced, but they're exceptionally good inside the arc," Lockwood said. "They can score in the paint. They can score off the dribble drive. They score off the bounce very well. They get a lot of stuff off ball screens, high-low action, so we have to do a terrific job inside the arc. We can't give up a lot of paint points. Our post defense, our defense of dribble drive, very important. And also limiting second shots. We really cannot let them hit the offensive boards. They average 13 to 14 offensive rebounds a game and so we have to really do a good job of taking that away. They get to the free throw line about 19 times a game. So that's very important to play good defense without fouling and sending them to the line or giving them second shots."
Tennessee's game plan is not secret: Pound the ball inside.
"Offensively we really want to establish our inside game," Lockwood said. "There's not a big change for us from game to game on that. We really want to do that, and we obviously want Candace to be very involved. We want to get the ball inside, and we want to generate offense through inside action. Those are probably the two biggest things that we want to do from the offensive standpoint."
Lockwood also wasn't worried that the team would lose sights of its goal after the emotional hoopla of Sunday.
"Our coaching staff knows and I think our players understand George Washington could care less how many times we dunked the ball against Army," he said. "This is a whole new game, a whole new day. We have to reestablish ourselves. George Washington is a very good basketball team. They have our full respect. I think it was great for excitement and it generated some energy, but I think our team also knows that is a peripheral issue in terms of the big picture. The big picture is the yellow brick road. That was a nice tree on the side of the road, but guess what? We're still on the yellow brick road, and we've got a lot of road to travel."
ODDS AND ENDS
BEST NEWSPAPER INTERVIEW: That of Tyler Summitt. The 15-year-old son of coach Pat Summitt did a Q&A with Vicki L. Friedman of The Virginian-Pilot. Favorite player? "Right now I'd have to say Candace." Of all-time? "That's tough. I'd have to say Tamika Catchings. Second-favorite team? "North Carolina. I might have to change my mind if we play them in the Elite Eight."
He also said he preferred the women's game over the men's because "there's more coaching involved with the women's game." Smart son. Mom's worst nightmare? "Can't wait till I'm driving next year. My mom's like, ‘Oh no.' "
BEST NEWSPAPER QUOTE: "I know; I know. They don't always listen to me." –Pat Summitt, as quoted in Monday's edition of The Virginian-Pilot. She had just told reporters that she has asked Parker to not dunk if anyone was close to her and was quickly reminded that Army's Margaree King ran the floor with Parker and tired to make a play on the ball when Parker went up.
BEST NEWSPAPER PREDICTION: Same paper. The Sunday edition gave a snapshot preview of the sub-regional, including what would have to happen for each team to win. For Army, the "stars align." For Tennessee, if "today is Sunday."
BEST QUIPS: George Washington coach Joe McKeown. When asked what he gets from his point guard, Kimberly Beck, he said, "A hard time." As far as dealing with Alexis Hornbuckle being back, he said the plan was to "make her shoot left-handed." He lauded the way Shanna Zolman had adjusted to the role of point guard, "but she still likes to shoot, unfortunately for us."
IRONWOMAN: George Washington point guard Kimberly Beck. "I call her Cal Ripken sometimes; she plays 40 minutes a game," McKeown said. "The thing about Kim that stands out to me, she shows up bigger in big games. The bigger the stakes are, I think the more she shines. She's just had a tremendous year for us."
FAMILY TIES: The Parkers. Candace Parker was asked Monday if she had had many phone calls and text messages about the dunks. "I got a few," Parker said and mentioned her brother, Anthony Parker, a former star at Bradley University who now plays in Israel for Maccabi Tel-Aviv. "I was real excited that he got a chance to see it in Israel."
"He actually saw it on SportsCenter. His alma mater, Bradley, is in the Sweet 16 so he's really excited about that. He said ESPN Radio called him and wanted to do an interview, but he had a big game today so he wasn't able to do that."
Ironically, Bradley beat Pitt to get to the Sweet 16, and Tennessee beat Army to get to the second round. Army is coached by Maggie Dixon; Pitt is coached by her brother, Jamie Dixon.
After Parker came out of Sunday's game, she pointed in the stands to her mother, Sara Parker, who pointed back. "I just pointed at her because she was excited," Candace said. "I'm glad that she's here."
Parker will have another family member in the stands Tuesday. Her other brother, Marcus, is a doctor in his residency at Johns Hopkins Medical Center in Baltimore, and he will make the trip to Norfolk for the game.
BEST DECISION: Made by Dominique Redding. After Parker dunked Redding felt the need to release some energy. She stayed on the bench and jumped up and down instead. "Oh my gosh," Redding said. "I told her if she dunks on somebody I want her to go to the locker room. I was like, ‘Candace I'm leaving the court.' But I couldn't do that. I was just so excited. When she did it in the half court that's harder to do. It's awesome. I was just so excited I wanted to run somewhere."
Redding would love to see more dunks – Tye'sha Fluker dunked for Redding in warmups Sunday – but she knows that's not the point of emphasis.
"We've been focused. You have to stay focused," she said. "It's win or go home. Survive and advance. So we're focused. The dunks are great. Hopefully she'll keep on doing it. Maybe Tye can get one in. We're all focused on the real task at hand, and that's winning a national championship, and we're just taking it one game at a time."
SEE YOU SOON: Tennessee and George Washington will play again next season when the Colonials come to Knoxville. Then the series will need to be renewed, something that Pat Summitt supports.
"I enjoy going to the D.C. area," Summitt said. "We've got a lot of UT alums in the D.C. area. I never have time to go shopping there. That's the only downside of it. I have a lot of respect for Joe. I haven't thought about not doing it."
TOPIC OF INTEREST: One sportswriter at the sub-regional was preparing a story about recruiting, the loss of high-profile players to transfer and the changing landscape of women's basketball as players get better and want more and immediate playing time. Two coaches, Pat Summitt and Duke's Gail Goestenkors, offered some keen insight.
SUMMITT: "I think that it is more difficult. I think, first of all, recruiting is something that we put tremendous time into and focus on recruiting not just student-athletes, but getting to know their families, getting to know their teachers, go to school – I've been to a lot of high schools in my career – just to understand the relationship that they have with their parents or with the teachers, the level of respect. I think you can avoid some of that if you really do your homework, and you find a good fit.
"Sometimes as a coach, and I've done it myself, I've said, ‘Well, I can change what I'm seeing here. This kid's not real disciplined. They have obviously missed a lot of days of school or whatever. We have mandatory attendance of class, and we'll fix that when they get here.' It's hard to change – you might say they're kids, but they're young adults – so I think on the front end for us because there's been transfers of kids that didn't fit in when they got there, I've just been much more selective and involved in recruiting and understanding the student-athletes that we wanted to bring to Tennessee. Tennessee is not for everyone. I can tell you this program is sometimes a little bit too demanding for some student-athletes, but you want to know that before you get a situation where they come and then decide to leave."
"I think in general coaches probably would say that (that it's more difficult to keep players happy), but again I go back to how you recruit kids. If you're going to promise them the moon then you've going to have a problem because you're going to have a lot of great players, and you can't live up to all the promises you make. But I think if you're upfront with them, they understand it. Parents are more involved, AAU coaches are more involved so the process is a lot more difficult because there's more people in the ear of all of these top high school players. And they have been pampered some; some players have been pampered.
"So does that make it more difficult? Yes. The transition from high school to college can be pretty demanding and something that they haven't had to deal with. I think, for the most part, in our program we've had a lot of success just through how we've gone about the recruiting and making the decisions not to recruit kids on the front end that we didn't think would be a good fit. But obviously we've had our mistakes, too."
GOESTENKORS: "I think it's much more difficult to keep players happy nowadays. We live in, I call it, a fast food society where we all want immediate gratification. We want it, and we want it right now. I think many years ago players were willing to come in and sit on the bench for one or two years and work their way into the lineup. Now some of the players come in, and they want to start right away. They definitely want to be an impact right away. And when you have 15 available scholarships it's not possible to have 15 player playing major minutes right away. I think it's a different mentality than we've had several years ago.
"I also think players continue to improve. Our game is improving so quickly that every year freshmen now are coming in and taking starting spots away from sophomores because the game is growing so rapidly. That's tough when somebody gets a lot of playing time as a freshman and then all of a sudden as a sophomore somebody else is coming in that's even better than they are so they want to go somewhere else and see more playing time. I think it's more difficult for everybody."
ANOTHER TOPIC OF INTEREST: The dunks. Goestenkors liked them.
"Everybody's talking about it. So when something happens in a positive way that causes people to talk about women's basketball then that's a great thing. I'm hoping that it will add to our viewership. And some people that haven't been women's basketball fans will now tune in if nothing else because they're curious. And once they tune in or once they come to the game that's when I believe they'll get hooked on women's basketball, not on one particular player or play but on the game itself. So I think it's a great thing for women's basketball.
"You're going to see more and more women dunking as the years roll on. Several of the players we're recruiting right now have dunked already in high school so it's going to become much more commonplace, I think, in the next few years."