Look-- Stansbury is a notorious cheater. Bargatze used to tralk about that when Richard Williams quit coaching the SEC got rid of the second biggest cheater in the league--who was the first we would ask--Stansbury. It is a joke amongst SEC coaches about how bad he cheats in recruiting. Why then wouldn't he stoop to it during a game. That display with Gordon tonight was a travesty of bball justice ---the refs were missing necessary anatomical parts to let that go on. Did not everyone see Gordon's little grin as he left the court. Stansbury makes Brucey look like a saint. Academics and athletics ---I am so sick of reading your holier than thou posts--the booing was justified --he had cramps for goodness sake--it was clear by how they were working on him--the whole incident was a complete joke. The good guys prevailed tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whoa now buddy! You really don't need to call me out on my "holier than thou" posts! Sorry, but LOL! I come off as holier than thou in my posts? If you say so.
If you are referring to my post in the other thread, the least you could do is respond to it in that thread rather than calling me out in a new thread. Now, I acknowledged in that post that I was not at the game and was going off of a combined perspective of what I had heard. I didn't accuse anyone of anything. I said it was a poor choice of timing and that is because it can easily be misconstrewed (as it has been) as booing an injured player. Even if it turns out that Gordon and Stansbury faked the whole injury, in my opinion, it is still wrong to boo while the player is down on the court.
As for your being sick of reading my "holier than thou posts", I am sick and tired of the disrespectful attitudes and insults that I read on this board ALL THE TIME! I would like to think that the VU fans who like to talk about VU's classy behavior and academic superiority would be able to be exhibit some of it through being more respectful with their attitudes (at least moreso than the folks who don't have the superior education). I get bashed by the elitist folks on this board all the time for not condemning the Vols and other SEC schools at the drop of a hat and actually trying to show resepect to everyone.
I don't understand why you think I am trying to pass off that I am better than everyone else. I know I am not better than anyone else. I apologize if that is how I have come across because that has never been my intention. Personally, I think some other folks on this board tend to have that problem much moreso than me. I do intentionally make it a point to try to call people (especially the ones who claim to believe in being respectful and not insulting others) on their contradictive behavior in order that they might be able to view their own thought processes in a more objective manner rather than in a defensive manner. Personally, I like being respectful towards others and I firmly believe in the golden rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and try my best to live by it ALL the time and not just when I feel like it. It makes me feel good to know that I did the right thing and I have never oonce regretted doing the right thing.
Also, I agree that the good guys prevailed tonight! I am so proud to call Shan Foster a Commodore and it honestly has little to do with his basketball skill or education level. Shan, from everything I have seen, you are just a terrific and Godly man. Good luck in whatever the lord leads you to do in the future!
Believe in the power of academics, but never forget the influence of athletics.
Accepted--you just seem to go out of your way to defend everyone else except the Dores--maybe a wrong impression on my part. In fact, at one time I thought you were just masquerading as a VU fan. Nevertheless, my main point was what a dispicable guy Stansbury is. I know more poop on this guy that you would not believe. I feel like John Rich sometime when he laments about having to swim in the cheating waters of the SEC. It just bugs me to no end to see cheaters succeed.
DOUBLEDORE,based on my assessment of the kind of narcissitic personality disorder you project through your posts I very seriously doubt that you even KNOW Rick Stansbury, who is one of the finest human beings you can find,either inside or outside of college athletics.
I chose my screen name just for you, because you strike me as one of those paranoid, emotionally immature, "Holier than Thou" little "athletic nerds" who believe that anyone who is successful except for you must cheat.
No problem. I think most people on this board have thought at one time or another I was masquerading as a VU fan because I truly try to give everyone their fair shake. I admittedly am a bad fan by definition in that regard. I agree about cheating. I can't stand it either! Also, I do defend VU athletics believe me! It used to be very difficult, but I am glad that it is getting easier to do so. I don't try to go out my way to defend everyone else, but you will often see me taking a different (I would like to think more objective) perspective of a situation or topic. However, I do not always defend VU fans.
I have trouble with the condescending attitudes displayed by some VU fans because, it just is flat out disrespectful to other people (not to mention I take it a little personally because I don't have a degree from an academically prestigious school like VU either, but don't consider myself beneath someone who does).
The condescending attitudes with VU fans though is taken to that next level because unlike other SEC schools, VU hasn't had the strong winning tradition in athletics in the past. Therefore, we make fun of other people's intelligence or their school's graduation rates, or player misconduct (the more personally hurtful and insulting things).
Afterward, we make fun of the schools who's fans care so much about athletic success because we "don't value it as much." However, I see many VU fans engaging in heavy trash talk with other schools' fans and most of the time it winds up in insulting someone's (be it coach, player, fan, etc.) intelligence or conduct or other things that are totally unrelated to athletics, but rather people's personal character. Do we do that in any other aspects of our society and not apologize for it?
Believe in the power of academics, but never forget the influence of athletics.
Wow what a pathetic post. Stansbury isn't a cheater. You and other SEC teams perceive him as a cheater because he gets good talent to come to Starkville, MS and you just can't fathom that. You can't understand why MSU can beat your teams. It's pathetic really.
Kevin Stallings is the biggest cheater in the world. He's a liar and a cheater. There I said it. And that makes it 100% fact. That's obvious sarcasm, but it has just as much validity as your ridiculous statement about Stansbury.
Be happy you just won a game due to a miracle and be happy your team will likely make the sweet 16 or better. But don't make comments on things that you have no idea about.
----rufc05 wrote: --------------- ...You and other SEC teams perceive [Stansbury] as a cheater because he gets good talent to come to Starkville, MS and you just can't fathom that. You can't understand why MSU can beat your teams...Kevin Stallings is the biggest cheater in the world. He's a liar and a cheater. There I said it. And that makes it 100% fact. That's obvious sarcasm, but it has just as much validity as your ridiculous statement about Stansbury... --------------------------------------------
I know you're happier pretending otherwise, but where there's smoke, it's often because there's fire. There is no smoke around Stallings as a coach, but there is plenty of smoke around Rick Stansbury. Have we seen him on fire?-- no, but then if we & others had, he wouldn't still be coaching at MSU, would he?
Nothing's proved. Doesn't mean all the suspicious stuff has perfectly innocent explanations.
Stansbury has used the diploma mills to get players into his program who would never have been allowed, had the NCAA been paying attention. It indicates a willingness to push to the edge of the permissible: maybe it's not so difficult to go ahead & cross the line from there. And no, not everybody does it. Hell, Ole Miss doesn't even do it, which would be your only semi-acceptable excuse.
Lawrence Roberts transferred from Baylor to MSU after the Baylor program was exposed for paying recruits, following a player going postal with his gun. Roberts admitted to taking the money that first time; maybe in a case where the guy has previously admitted guilt, the burden of proof should be on him & MSU to demonstrate their innocence, rather than on the NCAA to try to demonstrate that he took money a second time. Explain again why Starkville's so wonderful that an All-American like Roberts is just happy to go there.
Too many current & former SEC coaches have intimated that recruits have told them that MSU is paying recruits. Quite a coincidence, or I suppose you call it a conspiracy?
There's other posters here who if they care to, can list quite a bit more smoke that surrounds Mr. Stansbury.
I'm just citing some facts & some curious circumstances. It's more meaningful than your little sarcasm game, if you stop & think honestly about it. But I guess that's the point, hunh?
They laughed when I said I was going to be a comedian. They're not laughing now. -Bob Monkhouse (1928-2003)
The NCAA investigation a few yrs back in football also took a very hard look at basketball, found nothing, and went on their way (in basketball at least). So rick has been looked into and has come up clean. Have they looked at your coach yet?
your an idiot that doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to MSU sports. I'd be interested to see all the smoke that surrounds Mr Stansbury because all you said in your post is a bunch of Bulldog ****!
Lawrence Roberts came to MSU over one other school that I can't remember at this time. He has family in MS(Robin Roberts is his aunt and she too is from MS). He came to MSU to get away from the Baylor issue and the other school after him was in Baylor's conference. Why put yourself thru having to play against them? There was never any and I mean any hint of wrongdoing with MSU on the Lawrence Roberts recruitment that I read during or after his time at MSU. And I read the internet everyday.
Have there been other players with concerns raised. Sure, Mario Austin because of the 'Bama freaks out there. That case was looked at and turned upside down by the NCAA and NOTHING ever came of it other than a bunch of jealous 'Bama fans and coaches for that matter.
Bottom line on Stansbury and his staff, they work their freaking butts off recruiting players. Period. We have 2 signees this next class already and were the first ones to get on the Scotty Hopson bandwagon. He committed to us early but has not signed because UK and UT have come after him hard as of late. I'll guarantee if we somehow get him to MSU, we will be accused once again of cheating by UK fans, but our coaches have been recruiting him since he was in diapers and hopefully he will sign with us. If not, MSU fans will accuse either UK or the evil Bruce Pearl of it.
It is what it is ---go ask all the rest of the narcissistic present and former SEC coaches. He learned how to get it done from that other fine gentleman Richard Williams- the great gambling buddy with convicted cheater Memphis State Kirk. Go ahead and delude yourself about your coach. Oh, by the way you DO have agreat guy who does it right in Croom. I pull for him every time his team steps on the field. Have you heard me get on any other successful coach--no. If I had plenty of indication that they cheated I would pull against them too.
Sorry, I know this is borderline flaming and off-topic as well, but I have to say that nothing makes me laugh more than seeing those three particular words strung together by an SEC fan. Oh, the irony!
if stans is a cheater then why hasn't he been caught yet??????? ... i think that sums it up right there if he was cheating he would have been caught so in that case you have no evidence or anything to point that he is cheating other then the fact that he consistently gets good athletes every year ....... so when you have something to build your post on please show some facts of how he has cheated... thankyou
People do it all the time and do not get caught and not just in the sports world and certainly we know that. Weak rebuttle. It happens. I suppose all the other coaches are just jealous and so they make all this stuff up. If you had talked to several coaches about this and this was not your coach you would believe it too. I can tell you this ---these coaches are Totally convinced b/c they have run into it on the recruiting trails. The telling thing is that they are so open about talking about one of their peers b/c that generally is a no no among coaches. Believe me I would prefer to think otherwise.
"Doubledore you are a joke. The best team did not win tonight, if we make two more free throws are one more basket we win the game it was just your night. Sorry your such a sore winner."
Yeah, and if we shoot like we normally do, you aren't in the game. If our 6'9" senior doesn't miss a wide open dunk... if Shan doesn't miss the first 6 three's he shoots...if, if, if. MSU shot 28 free throws. We shot 11. There are a lot of "if's" in this one. The point is regardless of the if's VU won.
Quit whining. If Alex Gordon hits half of the shots he normally makes, we win by ten points. Your team was lucky to be hanging around. Other than Shan, our guys missed open shots that they normally hit.
Not only did the best team win tonight, but the best school won tonight. The best academic school in the SEC prevailed over the worst school in the Conference.
ha ha ha ...... still the fact remains YOU have no proof of us cheating o and got a question .... Yall havent exactly been a great basketball school since it started so as of late yall getting good players how do we know yall arent cheating your argument isnt even close to being a good one ... O i forgot Vanderbilt is never wrong because we are all geniuses .... Yall are never in the bad because yall are smart and great .. please keep telling yourselves that i find it so comical... and i seriously hope yall do good in the tourney its just sad that even when yall win you still have to find something to argue about ha ha all you do is instigate things ... what a joke
Let's not go here Vandy fans. Gordon played a tremendous game last night, and though I think they clearly took advantage of the situation by letting him sit on the floor for an extended period with cramps- not an injury- I can understand where MSU fans are coming from. That doesn't mean they understood what was taking place by listening to the radio, but still....as for Stansbury, no need to take shots at him now. He's had some success, and hasn't been caught doing anything that would put them on probation yet, so speculation is worthless.