COMMENTARY: Find another way on Apple Cup

RICK NEUHEISEL suggested this before. With classic Neuheisel disingenuity, the former UW coach back in 2002 plaintively made the case it would be to Washington State's benefit to play the Apple Cup in Seattle. Mike Price, to his credit, immediately shot down the idea, and it became just another brief news item that faded away. But now it sounds like it might actually happen.

According to reports, the game would be held in Seattle each year starting in 2010. One report, from the Spokesman-Review, says the deal is all but done, citing unnamed sources and that an announcement on an agreement with First & Goal Inc. to play the game at Qwest Stadium is expected soon.



It's not hard to understand the money side of the argument.

The numbers being reported, about $2 million for each school, that's a significant chunk of change. It's certainly considerably more than either school is getting now.

And in the current economy, every additional dollar the WSU Athletics Department can generate is more important than ever before -- and they were pretty damned important even before the economy went into the tank.

But Washington State and Jim Sterk need to find another way.

The Cougars will simply be giving up too much on the field. Washington now has just a short bus ride to the "away" game in the series. Teams win more at home than they do on the road, home field advantages being realized in a myriad of ways. The Cougs' all time winning percentage at home in Pullman is about 65 percent.

On the road, it falls to 43 percent. On a "neutral" field, it's 36 percent.

The so-called neutral field proposed for the Apple Cup is nothing of the sort -- unless Huskies fans are the most apathetic in all of college sports, (and they are not), it will be a pro-Husky crowd every year for the Apple Cup, regardless of the ticket allotment, because the neutral field game is played in the city the Huskies call home.

The advantages tied into moving the game are tempting. A two million dollar payday is tough, very tough, to walk away from.

That money is greatly needed and it would help other Wazzu sports programs in addition to football. It's probably another tool for recruiting the West side prospects -- to be able to tell them their family will have but a short drive to see them compete in the biggest regular season game of the year for WSU.

And when the Apple Cup falls around Thanksgiving Break at Washington State, many students are unfortunately often headed home by the time kickoff rolls around. The argument there is that those students are more apt to attend the game in Seattle than they are in Pullman.

But again and again, it comes back to this, and there's really no getting around it -- it's giving away too much on the field for Wazzu.

The Cougars give away, and the Huskies gain, in terms of home field advantage. If you're looking for an economic reason not to move the game from Martin Stadium, just ask the businesses out on the Palouse who would suddenly lose the influx of dollars that come their way from an Apple Cup being held in Martin Stadium.

It also is not a slam dunk that WSU alumni would attend an annual Apple Cup at Qwest in droves. The numbers for the "Seattle game", the one non-conference tilt Wazzu has played every year since 2002, have for the most part steadily declined. Last year against Oklahoma State, 50,830 tickets were sold. When WSU hosted Nevada in 2002 at Qwest, it was 63,588.

If it is indeed all but a done deal, as is being reported, it's also a bad deal in this sense -- Washington State didn't get enough.

While $2 Mil is nothing to sneeze at, for giving up their competitive home field advantage the Cougs should have gotten more. If the figures are accurate, that each school would get $2 Mil, if WSU were to have instead be guaranteed, say, $2.75 Mil when the game was Wazzu's to "host" and the UW got $1.25 Mil, and it was a 50-50 split the other years, at least Washington State alumni and fans could have hung their hat on that. If the Pac-10 won't allow more than a 50-50 split on gate receipts, find another related revenue stream both parties can agree on to accomplish it.

Cougar fans still wouldn't like the idea of the move, not according to the conversation that has exploded on the CF.C message boards anyway, and rightly so. But at least Cougar alumni and fans could have found some degree of solace there, if WSU were to be getting more for what they're giving up, if the Cougs were gaining the absolute best out of a bad situation.


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\r\n\r\nIt's not hard to understand the money side of the argument.

\r\n\r\nThe numbers being reported, about $2 million for each school, that's a significant chunk of change. It's certainly considerably more than either school is getting now.

\r\n\r\nAnd in the current economy, every additional dollar the WSU Athletics Department can generate is more important than ever before -- and they were pretty damned important even before the economy went into the tank.

\r\n\r\nBut Washington State and Jim Sterk need to find another way.

\r\n\r\nThe Cougars will simply be giving up too much on the field. Washington now has just a short bus ride to the \"away\" game in the series. \r\n\r\nTeams win more at home than they do on the road, home field advantages being realized in a myriad of ways. The Cougs' all time winning percentage at home in Pullman is about 65 percent.

\r\n\r\nOn the road, it falls to 43 percent. On a \"neutral\" field, it's 36 percent.

\r\n\r\nThe so-called neutral field proposed for the Apple Cup is nothing of the sort -- unless Huskies fans are the most apathetic in all of college sports, (and they are not), it will be a pro-Husky crowd every year for the Apple Cup, regardless of the ticket allotment, because the neutral field game is played in the city the Huskies call home.

\r\n\r\nThe advantages tied into moving the game are tempting. A two million dollar payday is tough, very tough, to walk away from.

\r\n\r\nThat money is greatly needed and it would help other Wazzu sports programs in addition to football. It's probably another tool for recruiting the West side prospects -- to be able to tell them their family will have but a short drive to see them compete in the biggest regular season game of the year for WSU.

\r\n\r\nAnd when the Apple Cup falls around Thanksgiving Break at Washington State, many students are unfortunately often headed home by the time kickoff rolls around. The argument there is that those students are more apt to attend the game in Seattle than they are in Pullman.

\r\n\r\nBut again and again, it comes back to this, and there's really no getting around it -- it's giving away too much on the field for Wazzu.

\r\n\r\nThe Cougars give away, and the Huskies gain, in terms of home field advantage. If you're looking for an economic reason not to move the game from Martin Stadium, just ask the businesses out on the Palouse who would suddenly lose the influx of dollars that come their way from an Apple Cup being held in Martin Stadium.

\r\n\r\nIt also is not a slam dunk that WSU alumni would attend an annual Apple Cup at Qwest in droves. The numbers for the \"Seattle game\", the one non-conference tilt Wazzu has played every year since 2002, have for the most part steadily declined. Last year against Oklahoma State, 50,830 tickets were sold. When WSU hosted Nevada in 2002 at Qwest, it was 63,588.

\r\n\r\nIf it is indeed all but a done deal, as is being reported, it's also a bad deal in this sense -- Washington State didn't get enough.

\r\n\r\nWhile $2 Mil is nothing to sneeze at, for giving up their competitive home field advantage the Cougs should have gotten more. If the figures are accurate, that each school would get $2 Mil, if WSU were to have instead be guaranteed, say, $2.75 Mil when the game was Wazzu's to \"host\" and the UW got $1.25 Mil, and it was a 50-50 split the other years, at least Washington State alumni and fans could have hung their hat on that. If the Pac-10 won't allow more than a 50-50 split on gate receipts, find another related revenue stream both parties can agree on to accomplish it.

\r\n\r\nCougar fans still wouldn't like the idea of the move, not according to the conversation that has exploded on the CF.C message boards anyway, and rightly so. But at least Cougar alumni and fans could have found some degree of solace there, if WSU were to be getting more for what they're giving up, if the Cougs were gaining the absolute best out of a bad situation.

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It's not hard to understand the money side of the argument.

The numbers being reported, about $2 million for each school, that's a significant chunk of change. It's certainly considerably more than either school is getting now.

And in the current economy, every additional dollar the WSU Athletics Department can generate is more important than ever before -- and they were pretty damned important even before the economy went into the tank.

But Washington State and Jim Sterk need to find another way.

The Cougars will simply be giving up too much on the field. Washington now has just a short bus ride to the \"away\" game in the series. Teams win more at home than they do on the road, home field advantages being realized in a myriad of ways. The Cougs' all time winning percentage at home in Pullman is about 65 percent.

On the road, it falls to 43 percent. On a \"neutral\" field, it's 36 percent.

The so-called neutral field proposed for the Apple Cup is nothing of the sort -- unless Huskies fans are the most apathetic in all of college sports, (and they are not), it will be a pro-Husky crowd every year for the Apple Cup, regardless of the ticket allotment, because the neutral field game is played in the city the Huskies call home.

The advantages tied into moving the game are tempting. A two million dollar payday is tough, very tough, to walk away from.

That money is greatly needed and it would help other Wazzu sports programs in addition to football. It's probably another tool for recruiting the West side prospects -- to be able to tell them their family will have but a short drive to see them compete in the biggest regular season game of the year for WSU.

And when the Apple Cup falls around Thanksgiving Break at Washington State, many students are unfortunately often headed home by the time kickoff rolls around. The argument there is that those students are more apt to attend the game in Seattle than they are in Pullman.

But again and again, it comes back to this, and there's really no getting around it -- it's giving away too much on the field for Wazzu.

The Cougars give away, and the Huskies gain, in terms of home field advantage. If you're looking for an economic reason not to move the game from Martin Stadium, just ask the businesses out on the Palouse who would suddenly lose the influx of dollars that come their way from an Apple Cup being held in Martin Stadium.

It also is not a slam dunk that WSU alumni would attend an annual Apple Cup at Qwest in droves. The numbers for the \"Seattle game\", the one non-conference tilt Wazzu has played every year since 2002, have for the most part steadily declined. Last year against Oklahoma State, 50,830 tickets were sold. When WSU hosted Nevada in 2002 at Qwest, it was 63,588.

If it is indeed all but a done deal, as is being reported, it's also a bad deal in this sense -- Washington State didn't get enough.

While $2 Mil is nothing to sneeze at, for giving up their competitive home field advantage the Cougs should have gotten more. If the figures are accurate, that each school would get $2 Mil, if WSU were to have instead be guaranteed, say, $2.75 Mil when the game was Wazzu's to \"host\" and the UW got $1.25 Mil, and it was a 50-50 split the other years, at least Washington State alumni and fans could have hung their hat on that. If the Pac-10 won't allow more than a 50-50 split on gate receipts, find another related revenue stream both parties can agree on to accomplish it.

Cougar fans still wouldn't like the idea of the move, not according to the conversation that has exploded on the CF.C message boards anyway, and rightly so. But at least Cougar alumni and fans could have found some degree of solace there, if WSU were to be getting more for what they're giving up, if the Cougs were gaining the absolute best out of a bad situation.

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