What horrible calls? What I saw was two extremely disorganized, shoot yourselves in the foot, undisciplined, poorly coached offensive football teams. From false starts to delay of games to illegal substitutions, to intentional grounding, fumbles and interceptions-- just terrible offensive football. All that said, Williams had a great chance to tie the game with about 10 minutes left, but a wide open reciever dropped a pass in the end zone.
Funny thing happened as at one point in the game Williams had a delay penalty, and some fan in the SJ stands hollered loudly they can't have that penalty, delay of game is ours. We (SJ) have literally owned the delay of game penalty for over 20 years. I have come to expect that type of mess offensively from SJ, but I didn't expect that from Williams. If Williams could have played a cleaner game and caught the wide open ball in the end zone, they had a great chance to win.
Sprinkler, I don't disagree with most of your post but 1st drive of SJ clear block in back in front of ref on Williams side line that broke punt returner free. I'll give him that one maybe he didn't see it but SJ fumbles and they state the whistle was blown it clearly wasn't, should have been Williams ball. As far as the game both teams played tough defense and Williams QB hasn't been able to throw the ball all season and can't figure out why they kept trying to run outside when obviously SJ loaded the box. If you were at the game how any times did SJ have 12 men on the field and it was only called twice. SJ was very sloppy on offense and Williams shot themselves in foot several times on drives. SJ really only had one good drive, the 2nd touchdown was a let down by Williams defensive backs. SJ doesn't make it past next round.
Didn't see the block in the back, I would have to look at the video. What I will tell you is that most people can't state the rule or define the force. It is one of the most over called rules in the game. Not staying it did not happen, just saying I would have to see video of the block to tell you whether a flag should have been thrown. I did not see the fumble and early whistle either, again they could have happened, I just did not see them.
With regard to throwing the ball, Williams doesn't and didn't have ownership in wounded ducks. The first SJ score was a bigger, stronger SJ receiver taking a wounded duck, easy pick 6 away from a Williams defender and turning it into a touchdown. SJ probably has two of the biggest, fastest strongest receivers on the perimeter in the state, but a complete inability to get the ball to them. 12 men on the field is not a rule, you can have 20 guys on the field, it is how many you have at the snap or when the snap is imminent. The rule is called Illegal substitution, or illegal participation, depending upon when the officials blow their whistle. Illegal substitution is the preferred call Because it is a 5 yard penalty. Good crews will have the players counted on both the offense and the defense prior to the snap, and have signaled to each other. If 12 men are on the field, the whistle is generally blown just prior to, or at the snap and a 5 yard penalty is given for a substitution infraction. Illegal participation is after the play has started or been run and the officials determine 12 men were on the field during the play. This is a 15 yard penalty. So to answer your question, yes SJ sometimes had 14 guys on the field, sometimes 13, and sometimes 12. That however is not a penalty because it happened as they were running players in and out of the huddle, or on and off the field.
And finally I completely agree, the cluster that was the SJ offense is nothing new. That type of disorganization is commonplace for SJ, and has been going on for 20 something years. In most of those years they were just so supremely talented, and physically better than the teams they played that they could overcome those problems and it was overlooked by the vast majority of people. They are no longer that talented, and the mistakes and disorganization, player management, clock management, game management stick out like a sore thumb. The polish is off the turd so to speak, and you can hear the crickets and the wisecracks chirping In the stands like my example above. I remain silent now except for my occasional banter on the message boards. I have given up long ago and I don't watch them much because I'm generally working, and have requested to be working elsewhere. On the rare occasion i do watch them I feel sorry for the kids. There is enough talent there to put a better product on the field, and that has always been my measure, are you getting the most out of your talent. You are correct, without a perfect game, and some bounces their way, SJ is just not a good enough team to beat a YC on the road if YC is a quality team. I'm just not sure of how good teams are in D5 this year except for maybe RV. We will find out next week if I am right about them.
I would disagree on the wide receivers sprinkler. They only won 1 of the jump balls the other 4 were interceptions. The Williams corners are as big as any teams I've seen in the state. The officiating was questionable at best. With that being said Williams play calling has puzzled me all year. They do not set defences up and are very random on the calls. I feel sorry for there qb t hat is not a qb and the play calling does not help him. Constantly rolling out a kid with a weak arm and expecting him to throw off the run? It was a ugly game all the way around and very hard to watch.
The interceptions were not the fault of the receivers of either team, simply put QB play and understanding of coverage is a huge factor. You can get open all night long, like the SJ receivers did, but if you have an inability to get them the ball it doesn't matter. Williams has some big corners, maybe 6'2" or 6'3" and #10 for Williams was a great athlete, I thought he was their best player. SJ wideouts are 6'3" and 6'5". But review the game, and the key 3rd down conversion late for SJ backed up deep with the pass to #10 for SJ. That was simply #10 for SJ beating #10 for Williams, which happened most of the night, only this particular play the QB delivered one of very few good balls. When you throw a wounded duck, that falls far short of the intended reciever who is double teamed by the way, and it is intercepted, that is not the receivers fault, Neither is it good defense, it is bad Qb play. What was bad about the officials? Did you feel it was one way? I actually thought SJ had more penalties, and deserved them all. So you know, I believe that same officials crew will do the title game this year. The only call I thought might have been wrong was the dual possession interception by Williams. But I'm sitting 80 yards away and in the stands, the BJ is right there, so I'm not saying he can't make a mistake, but he certainly has a better look than I do.
I did not think they were one way they simply missed a few block in the back calls one of which was as blatant as I've ever seen. The 12 man thing was constant sj was substituting late so that was hard to keep track of. In no way did the officiating sway the out come of the game. It wasn't as clean as i would expect at a state game, very tough job can't please every one. The game was decided by the coaches in my opinion by the adjustments they made our did not make. I do not believe sj was much better than Williams maybe a little deeper on the bench. In the end that game has little meaning neither had a chance to beat Yuma or compete for a title.
Since counting the players on the field at or before the snap is something I do every Thursday and Friday night over 100 times a game, you get pretty good at it and develop a few tricks for doing it real quickly. I didn't see a missed call here, and i think to some coaches, quite a few players, and the vast majority of fans, there is simply a lack of understanding of the rules. It is not just this particular rule, but lots of other rules as well. I will give you an example of a lack of rules knowledge at a playoff game I just did. A long field goal was attempted which ended up wide left and a few yards short from 54 yards away which means the ball was kicked from the 44. After the failed attempt I picked up the ball ran and helped exchange it for the new ball. Once spotted as I proceeded to my position the best player on the team asked why we moved the ball to the 20 for them to start on offense, to which I said that is Sunday football your thinking about. At halftime I found the kid, explained what i meant, and we talked and laughed about it. However I can't begin to tell you how many times things like this happen. So back to the game---
there were 2 illegal substitution penalties and 1 illegal participation called, all against SJ. I believe a review of game film will confirm those calls were correct. Please note my post above, 12 men on the field is not a penalty, neither is 13 or 14. It is not about how confusing it is around the huddle or in SJ case a Muddle and how many kids are running off and on or it looking like a complete cluster which it did. It is simply about a pre-snap head count and a signal of we have 11 indicated by a closed fist arm extended. The penalties are about how many are imminently going to participate in the play(illegal substitution) or how many actually participate( illegal participation).