Hey, not sure if your dismissing this game with your NT comment but Williams gave TP all they could handle. In fact Williams outplayed TP in all aspects except score and special teams. I watched the game and I know the TP faithfull were shocked. TP scored their first TD on a punt snap over the Williams punter head. it went into the end zone and they recovered. The Williams D stuffed TP's offense. TP had one sustained drive at the beginning of the 3rd Quarter. The other TD came on a short field after a tipped ball interception. (A dead ball foul should have negated the play but the refs let it go). So many of the calls went against Williams. You gotta know going into the Valley from the north your not gonna get a lot of calls but......In the final 5 minutes a Williams punt struck a TP player on the back and it was recovered by Williams with a short field. With five refs on the field, not one of them saw it. Amazing because the entire crowd was screaming they saw it from the stands. Williams still drove down to the 12 yard line w/ 1 minute remaining and missed three passes into the end zone. Good TP defense on the first two but PI was apparent on the last one. The point is the game was well played by both teams and it was a very close game that could easily have gone the other way w/ a few breaks. TP certainly had a few. TP is lucky to still be in this hunt and I hope they do well. They appear to have great athletes and an interesting offense. I enjoyed watching this game but I think Sprinkler has been sand bagging his team up north. Look out 2A St John's is coming.
Not sand bagging at all on SJ. Go back and read my posts towards the beginning of the year. I believe I said that defensively they would be pretty good, and that has been proven as they have Held Williams, and Now Bisbee scoreless.
The question I had was could they replace 99% of the scoring on offense that they lost to graduation. The Williams score is impressive at 50-0, but the Bisbee score of 28-0 says the offense is inconsistent. I also talked with many people after the Williams game and they said SJ played excellent in that game.
Camp Verde will provide a very stiff test for SJ next week. Hopefully SJ is at full strength including the kid who was hurt in the Williams game and can pull one out agains Camp Verde. If SJ can play like they did against Williams they have a great shot, to face off maybe against Northwest. Same thing there, Northwest is a good team. Then on the other side a tough Thatcher or YC team probably. I still think it is wide open
Thanks nazfootballer for your comment I made a mistake with the nt yes it is pretty bad when both teams are playing with there heart and the refs take it away from the under dog and its clear that everybody that was there seen the calls. When refs dictate a game that has been worked so hard for from both teams in that big of a game its just not right.williams won that game and im sure tpa would agree
There were missed calls on both sides. No argument that Williams outplayed TPA in the first half. TPA made mistake after mistake. TPA won the second half and the game. I was VERY impressed with Williams and both teams hit hard and play with a lot of heart and passion.
As far as the punt in question, I saw one hit TPA #89 in the back, after which TPA "downed" it deep in Williams territory, but it was brought back to the 30 or 31 where it hit #89. If there was another similar situation, I missed it.
in response to the complaint of a "dead ball penalty" not being called on the TPA interception, the penalty was an illegal shift, which is not a dead ball foul. It only becomes a penalty when two players are moving and have not become set for more than a second before the snap, and as they were both moving at the snap, the flag was thrown then, and the play was allowed to be run.
In either case the calls did not lose the game for Williams. My point is a couple of breaks or calls and this game would likely have gone the other way. The second half TPA did indeed do far better. They held Williams from scoring and that was the difference in the end.
It is not pass interference if both players are clearly attempting to catch/tip the ball. Especially with both hands. Considering the number of interceptions that the TPA secondary has this year, i'd say that it's pretty likely that there was no interference. Not to mention I was there and saw no interference, but then again I'm not from Williams.
I happen to be in the valley this weekend and went to the game I sat on the side with the TPA faithful and although I don't know any of the fans I could see they were shocked that it was such a close game. Williams gave this game to TPA and clearly out played TPA. Williams snapped a ball over the punters head and instead of the punter falling on the ball in thier own end zone he tried to kick it out of the end zone and missed and TPA fell on it for a touch down. Williams defense stuffed TPA all night wth the exception of one drive. On the other side Williams scored thier first touchdown on a tipped ball that should have been intercepted by TPA. The refs didn't lose the game for Williams but the calls they made or didn't make helped TPA win the game. Williams had two guys go into motion at the same time which usually isn't a dead ball foul except this time the ref who threw the flag blew his whistle which made the side judge blow his whistle yet they let the play continue, should have been a dead ball since two of the refs blew the play dead and the end result was a tipped ball interception. You then had the punted ball which clearly hit a TPA player and Williams recovered and again the refs missed the call (could have been a game changer). Williams last chance to get in was interesting, they threw to the same player three times, thought they should have thrown to another player since TPA was focusing on the tall reciever. Either way the last pass was clearly pass interference, the TPA player was pulling down the Williams reciever while the ball was in the air. This week will be interesting, having seen Thatcher play I don't thing it will be a close game this week, Thatcher wins this one.
Let me just remind everyone that picks Thatcher...a lot of you (not all of you) also picked Wilcox last week. Lets just all agree or agree to disagree that the regular season records and "hype" really dont mean anything once the playoffs come around. Well ok...the hype doesnt mean anything outside of this forum anyways. It's all about what team shows up to play that night. So "xplode" you say having seen Thatcher play that you dont think it will be a close game...based on what? Is that Thatcher team not the same team that TPA beat a few weeks ago? Now granted, that doesnt guarantee either team a victory or loss. I would find it hard to believe that this game will be anything but a close game. Both teams have very good athletes, both are well coached. Thatcher is out for revenge and I guarantee you TPA will not come out in the same manner that they did Friday night and will be playing at a higher level because obviously they were not playing to their full potential as everyone at the game could easily see. I think this could easily be the best game of the 2A playoff weekend as these two teams seem to be pretty evenly matched up...on paper at least. What happens on the field is a completely different story. No matter what, it will be a good game.
darknight83, I never believed Wilcox would beat Thatcher in the play offs in fact the score doesn't surprise me. I'm not taking anything away from TPA they do have some good athletes but thier offense is predictable, watched them four times this year and not much changed. I believe Thatcher has a more athletic team, they are hitting on all cylinders and have a strong tradition of football. I don't believe either of these teams will make it to the finals, my picks are NWC and St. Johns.