Hello everyone I'm new to this board and D6 football and just have general questions of what I've seen so far in D6 football. 1. Why is Pima D6?.. I heard that last year they were up a division but they couldn't hack it so they petitioned to be in D6? I saw their most recent game and they had almost 40 players!
2. I'm not hating on the qb from St.David but what from what I've seen so far he isn't that impressive to say that he's the best Qb in D6. What other qb's would you say deserve this title?
3. Is Hayden any good? A buddy of mine from Kearny stated that they have a horse at running back who measures 6'3 180 but also heard there best returning players (rb and qb) transferred after hearing Hayden was dropping to D6.
4. How good is Superior? The win they got over Ray doesn't seem to state much as it's Rays first year as a D6 and they only have one senior on the team and led by a freshman qb who had them in the game til the 4th..
5.Is D6 ruined by private schools like D5 is or is the state championship a toss up every year?
Again I am new to D6 and just like to know basic questions. I live in the Oro Valley area and don't get to see much so all info is appreciated. Thanks
Before the last 2 seasons Pima was in 1A for quite a while. They moved up because of their numbers. With the new Divisions I don't believe Pima petitioned down. They were simply placed in this Division. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
Fort Thomas is down a bit from last year, but they almost shut out Hayden for the entire game. I was not there so don't have all the details. Interpret that as you may.
1. Pima did not petition down, they were asked by the AIA, just like every other small school, which division they wanted to play in--they chose div. 6. After they were placed there, the AIA probably with prodding from a few div. 6 schools placed a cutoff number which just happened to be just under Pima's enrollment at that time. Pima asked why the change was made and no good reason was given by the AIA and Pima was asked to come to an AIA meeting and state their case (which is funny because all they ever did was tell the AIA that they wished to play div. 6) and after hearing the information the AIA placed Pima and I think about 4 other schools with larger enrollments into div. 6. You didn't see 40 players dressed at any game they have numbers in the 30s and that is freshman through senior.
2. The St David QB is good, probably the best in 1A--but I'm sure others that are worthy of consideration.
3. Hayden scrimmaged Pima and St David in Pima and was below those two teams but looked competitive at times. They beat Ft Thomas 10-0 however the fort had a 99 interception return called back because of an inadvertent whistle.
4. Superior may have a playoff team--it is hard to tell at this point.
5. The powers in 8-man football have all been public schools. In the last decade the schools that have won include Joe City, mogollon, Pima, Mayer, and Valley Union--I hope I didn't leave anyone out. However I think it is just a matter of time before the private/charter schools become powerful and break through with a championship.
So if you don't get to see much D6 football how can you jump out there and say the SD QB isn't the best? Just a question. They did play ASDB and obviously he didn't play the whole game. He had a total of 1 play in the 2nd half. I'm not saying there aren't other good QB's out there, but how about waiting a few games before saying he isn't "that impressive."
pime is the biggest school in div6 so they should be very good and they are. I know for fact they have fought hard to get back to 8man football so they can dominate again like they use to. They are real good this year and could make the 2a playffs in 11man. I think better than joecity but i havent seen joe city play this year.
The SD qb Davis is impressive and dont know how anyone who watches him could disagee. watch his youtube video from last year and see for yourself. Im sure he will play college ball probably either DII or small D1. I heard he was invited to the princeton camp this summer. He's ivy league material. and a real good kid
My friend from kearny says only one kid transferred from Hayden that would have been a starter but thats just what I heard so i dont know for sure. Hayden should be okay becuase Fort thomas is better than last year not worse
i dont know about superior but heard they are better than last year.
It is interesting how people just throw around statements without knowing what they are talking about. To make sure I looked it up on the AIA website. The largest school in div. 6 is Chandler Prep, followed by Veritas Prep and then Scottsdale Prep. This is based off of the count taken last year by the AIA.
WCBall wrote: pime is the biggest school in div6 so they should be very good and they are. I know for fact they have fought hard to get back to 8man football so they can dominate again like they use to. They are real good this year and could make the 2a playffs in 11man. I think better than joecity but i havent seen joe city play this year.
I am going to disagree with you that Pima is better than Joe City. I think Joe city takes it all this year. I think Mogollon and Pima are more comparable my edge goes to Mogollon. I also dont think Pima was dominate in past years very competitive and the top team in some years but not dominate... maybe I thinking too far into it. They also dont have the coach they did then either and I believe he had the most to do with them doing so well.
I have no beef with what you think this year because not much has happened yet and to tell you the truth I'm not sure how good Pima or JC are yet or who is better--that will play out over the next couple of months. You are wrong however on the past. Pima was 11-man the last two years, so lets look at the eight years before that when Pima was 8-man. During that time the following happened:
So during the time Pima was in 1A football they were the most dominant team. Were there other very good teams? Yes. Mogollon had some very good teams, Mayer had two very good teams in back-to-back years, VU champ team was very physical and some others. But it would be hard to argue against Pima as the most dominant team in that 8 year stretch which is what firemedic was referring to. Five championship games in eight years is pretty dominant. In two of the other three years they were beaten by the eventual champion in the semifinals.
Your coach comment about Pima would imply that Joe City doing so well has most to do with their coach than anything else.
I guess I think of dominant of being more un touchable but wont argue. They definately had some great teams. My coach comment wasnt intended to take anything away from the players.. I think that what seperated them from the other teams was the coaching and yes i dont think Joe city would be as good this year with out him. I also dont believe they would have beat Mogollon in the championship last year.
Isn't Pima the largest public school in Div 6? We know we can't count those private recruiting schools, ha!
I don't think it could be debated that Pima was one of the dominant teams in 1A when they were there. The big ones have always been Mogollon, Pima, Joseph City, St. David, Valley Union, and Mayer. Others have jumped up and made some noise now and then and those big teams have had down years, but for the most part, those have been the top dogs. This year we have those new privates and charter schools, which might make things more interesting. There was a time, several years ago, that Northwest Christian and Scottsdale Christian were top dogs in 1A before they rose to become 2A powers. Maybe we're primed to see teams like Scottsdale Prep, Joy Christian, Gilbert Christian, and Chandler Prep become true contenders.
I think until we see these newcomers beat one of the top dogs, however, we'll still be skeptical. Joy over San Pasqual doesn't impress us. Neither does Scottsdale Prep over Cibeque, a team that has one win in four seasons. Now, those newcomers might be awesome, but they'll need to prove it against one of the big boys, not against the perennial powderpuffs.
Of those four, Chandler Prep might have the most credibility as they played against some tough AIA teams last season and didn't do too bad. They weren't ready for the top dogs, but they could hang with the middle of the pack teams. Joy Christian obviously has been playing in the league for a bit, but they've been just above the bottom dwellers in a weak conference. New faces to that team might bring them up, but will it bring them to the level of the top dogs? We'll just have to wait and see....