So to start off with congrats to both teams to making it to the finals.
Joy is 10-0 and Joseph City is 9-0
In 10 games Joy avg. 62.2 points a game while they give up 11 for a avg. victory of 51.2 points per game.
In 9 games Joseph City avg. 66.8 points a game while they give up 13.5 for a avg. victory of 53.3 ppg.
In the past 3 years Joseph City is 31-1
in the past 3 years Joy Christian is 15-10 (Not that it will matter just putting out numbers)
They both have coaches who have won a state championship.
Not that any of that means anything I just wanted to throw it out there.
So who is picking who and why do you think they will win. We know that Joy is a passing team and that Joseph City is a running team. How will the weather effect the two styles of play. Right now it is calling for snow showers with a high of 51 on Saturday and a low of 35 with 84% chance of precip. The game will be played at 4:00 in the afternoon.
I really don't know who to pick right now. With Remington nursing a knee sprain you have to wonder how that will affect him in the championship game. Does anyone know how serious it is?
Everytime I pick a game I seem to eat my words with this Joy squad. With Remington only getting 160 yards last week against a very good Pima squad you have to wonder who stepped up last week on Joe City's team. Can they do it again this week against a very talented Joy Christian team?
For this game I have to stick with the 2 time returning state champs. But I have a gut feeling that this will be MUCH closer than everyone anticipates.
Baldwin was in fact nursing his injury but he still stepped up and put his team on his back offensively and defensively and carried his team to victory. He might of had a down game but 160 yards is tremendous, pimas middle backer/fullback was a stud #49 and he brought it the whole game, just when you thought baldwin might not get up he not only limped back to the huddle but carried the ball the next play. Remington Baldwin is not only very talented but a warrior and a seasoned champion. he will find a way to win this game wether it is close or a route.
I saw Joy in August during their summer camp and was impressed then. I have since seen 2 games live and 1 other on film. They are precise in their execution, very well-coached and better athletes than some think. Their receivers are mature, fast and talented. Their defense makes very few mistakes and they tackle well.
It was said that St. David would hit them like they haven't been hit before. Joy "dissected "St. David quickly. It was never close. When we played St. David on their home field we had a 40-24 lead in the early 3rd. We were prepared for the physical play of St. David - that wasn't an issue for us. In a rough comparison, St. David's physical play, in my opinion, was not much diffferent that Bagdad or Gilbert Christian in terms of hard hits and "physicality". By comparison, the physical play of Mogollon was on another level.....I say that because Joy will face physical play from Joe City that is unlike any they faced from St. David. Joe City physically outplayed Mogollon TWICE!!
The question will be - will Joy finally crumble under the physical play of Joe City or will they run/pass so much, so well that it doesn't matter?? I believe that because of their coaching and discipline they are respectful of Joseph City but I don't believe they are intimidated one bit. I dont think they care that Joseph City will try to knock their teeth out on every hit. The first half will tell.
That said, I have seen Joe City 2 times live and once on film. Their O-Line is meticulous in their blocking and very physical. Best O-Line in the league. Mr Baldwin is Mr Baldwin. Injured or not he will score often and run for a ton of yards. The defense of Joe City is fast and relentless. The problem I see is how the shorter coverage guys for Joe City will be able to cover the taller Joy receivers. That could be a BIG problem for Joe City. When have these Joe city players ever covered a set of receivers like these??
I don't believe weather on that turf field will be much of an issue. Cold weather or simple snow won't be a problem for Joy. That is, unless it is sleeting or really rainy/windy. Then, advantage Joe City.
Injuries are the real issue. Who knows who's injured and who's not? It has been said that the St David QB was injured in our game and that it affected his play at Joy. If Mr Baldwin is injured and is hampered by the injury more than when he was at Pima-thats a problem for Joe City. Injuries affect the 8 man game in a huge way. Our QB had a serious hip injury from week 3 untill the end of the season. He barely made a few games in the middle of the season. After the 3rd week he never ran in practice and only threw to receivers from a stand. If Mr. Baldwin is injured it will be hard to practice on defense this week for Joys offense. That could be huge as he is a key linbacker in the Joe City defense..
Even so, it's the Championship-I think that whoever suits up will play injured and will play their hearts out.
Lastly, much has been said about the great coach at Joe City. I assume he will not be arrogant, believing that all he has to do is run, run, run and crush this little pass-happy finesse team from Phoenix. He will have a very talented and dangerous team on his hands. He will need to play a complete game and make adjustments often. Coach Cole knows what he's doing. This will be the best coaching staff Coach Bryant has faced in a long, long time. The game could hinge on a few coaching moments...
I pick Joe City if Mr. Baldwin is healthy enough to play 80 plus% and if the score is close at halftime.
If Joy is able to score 4 TDs in the first half-it will be clear that they have it figured out and will beat Joe City.
Good break down! It should be a great game. I agree, Joe City really hasn't faced a team that relys on the pass. But Joy Christian has not faced a team that will run the ball down your throats either. I hope that Remington is alright, I'd hate to see a senior all star miss out on another championship because of a injury.
Division 6 State Championship: Joseph City (4) vs. Joy Christian (2)
Wow. How much a difference a couple of weeks can make. 2-3 weeks ago, most of us felt that that Joseph City was on another level and that they would cakewalk to a 3-peat. Now the consensus among people I talk to, is that Joy Christian has a legitimate shot to beat Joseph City, and might even be the FAVORITE in this game.
Slow down now people. Joy Christian is a neat little come from nowhere story. Their players and coaches should be commended for their fine season. But people are over reacting a little bit to last Saturday's games.
Joy is very talented at the skill positions for an 8 man team. And they ARE capable of winning on Saturday. BUT as Coach Lee Corso says....
NOT SO FAST MY FRIEND!
I am sticking to my belief that Joseph City is on another level. Pima played as well as they could play last Saturday. Remington Baldwin looked like he was 60% out there (and he was still the best player on the field), and Joseph City still found a way to win by 2 scores.
Joy Christian has seen NOTHING like what they are going to see on Saturday. On the other hand, Joseph City hasn't played a team like Joy this year. Very contrasting styles of football.
But in my opinion, for what its worth, I do not believe that Joy will be able to stop the Wildcat running game. Baldwin (even if he isn't 100%) and Elmer will run wild. Will Joy score? Absolutely. They will get some receivers loose a few times. But Joy hasn't seen swarming defense like they are about to. And the JC defensive line will get pressure.
Coach Bryant is the best 8man football coach in the history of the state of AZ. Coach Cole and his staff are about to find out why.
The key to the game for the Wildcats will be how they defend against the Joy offense.
First, they will need to get some pressure from their front 3. St. David could not get enough pressure to throw off the timing of Joys passing game. Joe City must do a better job and I have no doubt they will.
Second, I think they need to mix up their coverages and confuse Henderson. Switching between man and zone coverage depending on the situation, is the way to go in my opinion. I think it would be a mistake to exclusively stay in a man coverage all game. Joy will burn you if you do.
Third, I think they need to pick their spots and blitz a linebacker at times. Bring the linebacker responsible for the hook zone and blitz him straight up the gut. You just have to be careful not to do it too often, or Joy will burn you with the middle screen.
Metro - I will have to agree with you. I think Joy has had a great season, but it will end it with a loss. Joe City is the best team in D6! They have earned the right to be called the best team in D6. Great season for both teams! Exciting season for D6! It was nice to have some new teams in the playoffs. I think we will continue to see teams like Joy and Scottsdale Prep next year making some noise. Good luck to Joy and Joe on Saturday! I hope the weather reports are wrong!!
zelda5 wrote: I saw Joy in August during their summer camp and was impressed then.
Joy played a very talented Centennial squad at the Surprise passing league and fell by a single point. The Eagles had the lead throughout that contest before the bigger school mounted a comeback.
As a Centennial fan I will say that passing league performance is an after-thought (especially the first game in round-robin play) and that the Coyotes rotate players frequently in these tournaments; it's considered a learning experience where you get your guys that haven't played a down of varsity ball yet a preview of what they'll see come late August. I'll also say that in that tournament Centennial lost to a Willow Canyon squad that they'd give up just seven points to in eight quarters of football this regular season, so take that outcome for what it is (Centennial did manage to finish third in that tournament, behind Hamilton and Sabino).
What I take from it is that the Joy players are not going to step on the field in awe of the vaunted Joseph City squad. They've gone head-to-head with the guys who appear on the pages of the Arizona Republic, and have been able to measure themselves against guys who will be playing D-1 football after they graduate; yes they did so without pads on, but they were there nevertheless.
Whereas the well-deserved reputation of Joseph City football has likely given them a pronounced psychological edge on some of the more "traditional" eight-man programs, I doubt that edge is as pronounced when they play Joy.
"You've got to remember, that these are just simple farmers, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new west. You know . . . morons."
Hey dangerouswoody, I dunno how much you keep in touch with small ball, but there is nothing moronic about Coach Bryant and his team. Best overall 8-man coach there has been in AZ. I agree that Joy might not be shocked, but Joe City has a tough tough team that has been battle tested. Joy has NOT encountered a team like this yet. Passing league does not even compare to getting into pads.
brigadier7 wrote: That is correct. Joy is too much for the Wildcats but Elmer is the one who keeps the game going NOT Baldwin. Hehe if your gonna gamble you gotta go all in.
Wow. You must be getting some pretty good odds with your all in gamble.
I think Baldwin will be just fine. I checked the injury report in the paper today, and I didnt even see him listed.
Thinking more about this, I think I was way too conservative with my 50-28 prediction. I would actually be surprised if its that close. With Joy's passing game and ability to score in bunches, I dont think Bryant takes his foot off the gas until the very end.
Joseph City is going to 3-peat with a bang and make a BIG statement....
I have to laugh looking at all these Joy Christian "winning big" predictions. Obiviosly you haven't watched any games by these two teams or you are all from Glendale. Joe City is going to dominate this game.
I hope these are Joe City kids trying to get their team pumped up, because if any of these people were educated they would know that Joy is in no league to blow out Joe City. They can predict a close game and all, but a blow out? Someones in for a reality check!