Well I was misinformed on the location of the scrimmage as it was in St David but I had a friend who went. What he told me is that all three teams looked very impressive but he would give the slight edge to St. David.
St.David- Won't beat you with their speed or passing game but they will pound it down your throat and let you know they are. They have alot of meat on both sides of the ball but aren't very quick. Number 81 and 21 (scrimmage numbers) stood out.
Hayden-They are aggressive on both sides of the ball. Very hard hitting and quick. Their line is decent sized but they go all out every play. Said it reminded him of Superior last year but bigger. Number 20 and 3(one armed guy?) Stood out.
Pima- They are a good sized team but they aren't as good as last years sqaud. They are precise on counters and execute very well. Nobody really stood out but the qb but he only completed one pass. They are a top 5 team though.
Scoring- Hayden scored once against st. David and had a dropped pass in the endzone against pima.
Pima- Scored once against Hayden on a pick six.
St. David- Scored twice against Hayden and once against pima.
I went to the Superior-Veritas scrimmage today. Superior surprised me, a lot better than expected. Very intense and hard-hitting. They are a bit undersized, but never back down and executed perfectly on run and pass plays. Honestly, could easily become a tough team to play and could easily end up in the playoffs. Veritas is getting better and the new head coach has done a great job so far. Honestly, might be a tough year for them, but with the new head coach that program will be better in a few years.
Gamerbreak, scrimmages are scrimmages but I don't think anyone watching objectively would have given the edge to St. David. All three teams beat on each other pretty good, but Pima looked to have the strongest and deepest team at this point and are fastest, though some caveats are in order. Firstly, it's a scrimmage, so you're not seeing game situations, special teams, down and distance considerations, setup plays, or the ebb and flow of game momentum and dynamics. Pima seemed to have trouble moving the ball on Hayden in the first set of 10 plays. Hayden couldn't move very well against Pima and threw an INT TD. Pima moved the ball much better on their second series and I think they scored again. Pima's JV ran all over Hayden JV, but that's immaterial at this point.
St. David went up against Hayden for the next battle and stopped Hayden cold, then moved the ball seemingly at will, but Hayden had just battled Pima and looked a little tired. I think SD scored just once that first series, but always seemed to be making positive yards. Hayden then scored on SD on their second series following a long pass that got them inside the five. Other than that one long play, Hayden really didn't seem to move the ball very well against the Tigers, but again, this was after battling Pima, so they were obviously not as fresh as St. David. Freshness seemed to be a factor when St. David went up against Pima next. Pima started and moved the ball pretty well their first series but couldn't get into the end zone before running out of plays. Then St. David went nowhere and turned the ball over twice in their first three or four plays. Pima scored once against St. David on a pass on the last play of their second series, and the Tigers got to about the five before running out of plays.
St. David and Pima JV's then played and each scored a couple of TD's from what I can remember.
So, although you certainly cannot judge a scrimmage on scoring or turnovers, from what I can remember, Pima scored twice against Hayden (one being a pick-six)and once against St. David. Hayden scored once on St. David. St. David scored twice on Hayden. Hayden turned it over once to Pima. SD turned it over twice to Pima.
All three teams looked good in places and rough in places. It seemed to be a good matchup and Hayden appeared to be closer to the other two teams than they were in the scrimmage last year. That's my impression.
FBallFan99 I agree with your points about it only being a scrimmage so you can't really judge at this point but I was just relaying what was told to me so i'm sure not everything was 100%. But yes I'd probably agree with you about Hayden looking better than last year just by default because now they have one year under their belt of 8 man. What would you say was the strengths of each team? And would you say based on the scrimmage... Pima is better/worse than last year?
Up in Mayer Bagdad was the team to beat. They won all of their games, the closest against Joe City (3-2). They were definitely the biggest team out there, and in my oppinion the most experienced. The QB and RB was two of their top players. They were weak in coverage (Ash Fork scored twice on the pass) but were stout in run defense.
Ash Fork is still Ash Fork, they are doing the best with what they have.
Joe City has definitely lost some numbers and size, but they still fly to the ball as usual. They are a top 5 team this year from what they showed today.
Mayer is not a top 10 team this year in my oppinion. They are young, undersized, and show little leadership. I don't really see them playing as a team. Although they did rough it out on defense against JC (1-0) in that game. Give them a few years and see how they are because most of them are Sophmores and Juniors. Only 3 seniors.
Bagdad is also mainly Sophmores and Juniors, only 3 seniors. They show great skill out on the field, but a load of cockiness in my oppinion. They will go far if they get more mature along the season, very far.
I attended my second scrimmage tonight between Chandler Prep and Glendale Prep. Chandler Prep is a lot better than expected. Chandler Prep has decent size up front and this team contains several playmakers. The EGBO brothers are going to lead this team in big plays this year. The youngest brother who is a freshmen is lighting quick and is going to be a game breaker. Starting with PIMA is a tough task to handle, but after PIMA, Chandler Prep has winnable game in front of them. No reason why this them can not make it to the playoffs this year.
Gamer, you asked: "What would you say was the strengths of each team? And would you say based on the scrimmage... Pima is better/worse than last year?"
Hard to say and I'm no expert, but I would say Hayden has decent team speed on D but need to work with their QB. They had guys open several times, but he could not get them the ball. The QB appears to be young and more mobile than their guy last year, but he does not have the arm strength or accuracy of their previous QB--at least not right now. That being said, I think Hayden looks better now than they did last year at this same time. I think they have the potential to be pretty tough, similar to Superior last year.
St. David looks completely different than in the past where the ball was flying all over the field with Davis drilling it to speedy receivers. The Tigers are big up front and showed an improved Defense from last year. I think D is their current strength. Similar to Hayden, SD's current QB does not have the arm strength and accuracy of the guy who graduated, but may not need it with the offense he will be asked to run. SD should do well.
Pima showed strengths in defense too using multiple sets; #22 was particularly impressive. Compared to last year, their QB seems much improved, but they looked thinner at RB (but remember last year they had a plethora of quality backs, so being thinner their this year doesn't mean they are weak at that position). They have speed and they will hit you. Are they better than last year? Hard to say. They are not as good as the playoff Pima, but are they as good as the 2011 scrimmage Pima? I really don't know. They are a good team, they are well coached, and they have depth... ergo, they'll be in the playoffs and should be a strong contender to win it all.
Section II should be tough and there might not be a team get through it undefeated.