Q&A with Frankie Piliere

It will be years before we really know how the Toronto Blue Jays fared in the 2011 draft, but it is always interesting to get an initial reaction after the draft. After getting the Jays' thoughts on their selections with the Toronto scouting director, we caught-up with former MLB scout and current Scout.com National Baseball Expert Frankie Piliere for his impartial thoughts the Jays' draft.

FutureJays.com: Let's get your initial thoughts on how you feel the Jays did with their draft this year.

Frankie Piliere: I think they did probably as well as anybody. I graded them out in the top five somewhere. Obviously we all know that's very initial, but they drafted some of the highest upside out there. I thought taking Jacob Anderson was one of the biggest sleepers in the whole draft. They made a couple of picks like that actually.

FutureJays.com: Talk about Anderson - why is he a sleeper?

Piliere: You look at the body and I think he's 6-foot-4, 6-foot-5, and this is the type of kid where you look at him and say he's not going to fill out. He's going to fill out and he's already pretty strong. He's going to put on some muscle I think and some of the power he's shown already this summer was as good as anyone. I was consistently surprised that he wasn't talked about more. He brings a lot of leverage and he brings it in game action, he's athletic, he's got a real strong arm. I just think there's a lot of tools there. I think there were more takers for him there in the 30-50 [overall] range than people realize.

FutureJays.com: A lot has been made of their first selection, Tyler Beede, but talk about Joe Musgrove. How does he compare to Beede?

Piliere: He's not as advanced as Beede but I think the arm strength is there and maybe even better. I think that's what makes Beede a little bit different, especially for a kid from the northeast, he's pretty advanced; he commands his pitches pretty well and he's around the plate. It's unusual to see that from a kid from Massachusetts, but he's got a lot of experience in the summer showcases. He pitched the PG National [and other showcases] so he's got the pedigree going there. But Musgrove's got a good arm. He's not a guy I've seen but the area scouts rave about him how he has a big arm. He's been up to the mid-90s. He's not Beede in terms of command and polish, but he's right up there in terms of raw stuff.

FutureJays.com: When I talked to Jays' scouting director Andrew Tinnish, while he loved John Stilson and his fire on the mound, he made it seem like they're keeping the starting door open for him. How do you see Stilson fitting in long-term? Do you feel like he could be a staring pitcher?

Piliere: I think that's tough to say. If it was me right now I think he's a reliever long-term. I think he could be real nasty at the back-end. I'm also a big believer though in seeing if your best arms can start first. I think it's only fair to see if he can. You won't know until he gets into the pro environment. Ultimately I think he ends up a reliever and a real good reliever. I'm sure a lot of people don't want to hear that, but he's going to be a guy who can pitch in the setup or closer type role. He's got power stuff and he can miss bats so he'll be fine in that role, but I think he at least deserves a shot to see if he can start.

FutureJays.com: Among the picks after he and Norris, the picks in rounds four through ten, which one of those guys do you look at and say the Jays got some really great value with that pick?

Piliere: Now I remember why I liked their draft so much. Anthony DeSciafani was nasty at the SEC Tournament and he's another guy like Stilson who is going to be a guy who can pitch in the 8th or 9th inning as a pro guy. He can pitch 93-96 mph, he misses bats, he's got a pretty good feel for his breaking ball. [Christian] Lopes was a guy last summer who was talked about as a potential top 40 [overall] guy. He fell off a little bit this spring, but the hit tool is real good, he's athletic, he's a pretty strong kid, he's got some speed. Andrew Chin is more of a pitch-ability lefty. I don't think you're going to see velocity numbers from him but that's the kind of guy that if the velocity does come around down the road, he's a kid who already knows how to pitch. I like picks like that. There's a lot of good names in there, but especially with Stilson and DeSciafani, there's a couple of guys there who can really be shutdown relievers for them that can also move pretty quickly.

FutureJays.com: In that 11-20 range of their picks, who among that group do you look at and project as a potential impact player someday?

Piliere: Well I like [Nicholas] Wiper, but Matt Dean is a guy who disappointed some people because he's got everything you look for - he's got the raw power, he's got the speed, he's athletic - but he hasn't really put it together yet. So if you're looking for a guy who is a value, a guy who you might have to wait on and be a three or four year project until you really see what he's got, he's got the raw tools to be an above average everyday player. I think if you're looking at that 11-20 range, you've got to be thrilled to have a crack a guy who has the chance to be a very good everyday regular player, if they can sign him of course. He's going to be a guy who fizzles out quick or if you have some patience with him maybe he figures it all out and puts it together.

FutureJays.com: I haven't seen him myself but every scouts that I know and trust is pretty high on Andy Burns out of Arizona. What have you seen from, or heard about with, Burns?

Piliere: Well I saw him a lot in the Cape [Cod League] last summer and he was really good. At the time when I was watching him I didn't know the back-story on him that he was going to be draft-eligible this year, but he was one of the better bats up there. He's a guy who puts on a pretty good show in batting practice and his swing is pretty compact, and he hits well in game action and he hits well with wood. In the 11th round that's a pretty good bargain. That's a guy who if he's back in the draft next year maybe goes in the top couple of rounds if he can put up the results with the tools he's got. He's got a lot of raw power and the bat is really interesting overall. I can see why they're excited about him.

FutureJays.com: How about the players in that 21-30 round range, which of those players could surprise some folks in your opinion?

Piliere: Aaron Nola is a guy who has some upside. I think that whole situation with him and his brother is going to be interesting, whether or not they can sign both of them. I know a lot of the area scouts liked him. I think he's more of a long-term guy, but from what I understand scouts really like his upside. I don't know a whole lot about him but if you're looking a sleeper in that range, he's a guy a lot of people like.

FutureJays.com: We're really going to test your knowledge of the draft depth here - who in that 31-40 range is somebody we should pay attention to?

Piliere: It's going to be the same name - [Austin] Nola is a guy from that group that I've seen a lot of. I don't know what he did this spring but he was really good over the summer [last year] in the Cape swinging the wood bat. He was a guy who I thought would go more in the 8-12 round range when spring started. He's probably a guy that, unless they work out some deal with him and his brother, is a guy who would go back for his senior year. Getting him down in that 40ish range, that's a pretty good player there. Other than him though, it doesn't seem like they took a whole lot of chances in that range.

FutureJays.com: Let's round out with the last group - guys drafted 41-50 - is there anyone we should pay attention to?

Piliere: Well I've seen [Jake] Eliopoulos and [Jacob] Wakamatsu. Wakamatsu has some power and he's got some lift in his swing. It doesn't look like it when you see him, but he's got an unorthodox approach. I don't know if he's still doing it but he kind of looked like he's modeling himself after Ichiro a little bit. He's got kind of a big leg kick, he likes to lift the ball, he's a little pull-happy to right field, but he's the kind of guy where you look at the bat and some of the things that are in place, you can see he could be something down the road with the bat. He'd definitely be more of a long-term project and probably a better college guy. And Eliopoulos, I saw him a couple of years ago pitching for the Team Canada team and he was 88-91 mph from the left side with a big breaking ball. I'm not sure what he's doing now but he was a guy a couple of years ago who was pretty competent. I don't know the latest on him but that seems like a great spot to get a left-handed arm that late.

FutureJays.com: Let's go back to the beginning of the draft - the big story with the Jays' draft seems to be with Daniel Norris and whether or not he'll sign. What do you think - is that more of a risky pick taking him in the second round or do you think they'll make a strong push at him?

Piliere: Ultimately most of the people I talked to -- I asked a lot about him -- it sounds like he's the type of kid who wants to play pro ball right now. I think ultimately that's what it comes down to with all of these guys - if they genuinely want to play, they're going to play. He'll get above slot but I don't think he's going to get the $3.9 or $4 million he's asking for. I don't think that's going to happen. They'll meet somewhere in the middle and I think they're going to get a real bargain for down there. He was a guy that on my board would go in the top 15. You could make the case that they got the third best high school arm after [Archie] Bradley and [Dylan] Bundy. He's that good. He's not quite as big and physical as those guys, but 91-94 mph from the left side with good command of his breaking ball, I don't think you could ask for much more from a second rounder. To me he was definitely the third best high school arm.

FutureJays.com: One final question - looking at the draft this year and with the draft they had last year where they also took a lot of high school players, and they were already ranked across the board among the pundits as a top five farm system, if they were able to sign the majority of these guys, how much stronger is their farm system?

Piliere: Oh I think they got a lot stronger. If you look around they added to a lot of different areas. They got more athletic and toolsy with Jacob Anderson and added some prep pitching. They addressed a couple of areas and got even stronger. They're clearly going to maintain their top five position and I think you could make a strong case they'll be one of the top two or three this year, assuming of course - Norris is kind of the key to whole thing, he can put them over the top. With him and Beede you're getting two first round elite high school arms and you don't get too many opportunities to get two guys like that.


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\r\nFrankie Piliere: I think they did probably as well as anybody. I graded them out in the top five somewhere. Obviously we all know that's very initial, but they drafted some of the highest upside out there. I thought taking Jacob Anderson was one of the biggest sleepers in the whole draft. They made a couple of picks like that actually.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: Talk about Anderson - why is he a sleeper?
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\r\nPiliere: You look at the body and I think he's 6-foot-4, 6-foot-5, and this is the type of kid where you look at him and say he's not going to fill out. He's going to fill out and he's already pretty strong. He's going to put on some muscle I think and some of the power he's shown already this summer was as good as anyone. I was consistently surprised that he wasn't talked about more. He brings a lot of leverage and he brings it in game action, he's athletic, he's got a real strong arm. I just think there's a lot of tools there. I think there were more takers for him there in the 30-50 [overall] range than people realize.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: A lot has been made of their first selection, Tyler Beede, but talk about Joe Musgrove. How does he compare to Beede?
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\r\nPiliere: He's not as advanced as Beede but I think the arm strength is there and maybe even better. I think that's what makes Beede a little bit different, especially for a kid from the northeast, he's pretty advanced; he commands his pitches pretty well and he's around the plate. It's unusual to see that from a kid from Massachusetts, but he's got a lot of experience in the summer showcases. He pitched the PG National [and other showcases] so he's got the pedigree going there. But Musgrove's got a good arm. He's not a guy I've seen but the area scouts rave about him how he has a big arm. He's been up to the mid-90s. He's not Beede in terms of command and polish, but he's right up there in terms of raw stuff.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: When I talked to Jays' scouting director Andrew Tinnish, while he loved John Stilson and his fire on the mound, he made it seem like they're keeping the starting door open for him. How do you see Stilson fitting in long-term? Do you feel like he could be a staring pitcher?
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\r\nPiliere: I think that's tough to say. If it was me right now I think he's a reliever long-term. I think he could be real nasty at the back-end. I'm also a big believer though in seeing if your best arms can start first. I think it's only fair to see if he can. You won't know until he gets into the pro environment. Ultimately I think he ends up a reliever and a real good reliever. I'm sure a lot of people don't want to hear that, but he's going to be a guy who can pitch in the setup or closer type role. He's got power stuff and he can miss bats so he'll be fine in that role, but I think he at least deserves a shot to see if he can start.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: Among the picks after he and Norris, the picks in rounds four through ten, which one of those guys do you look at and say the Jays got some really great value with that pick?
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\r\nPiliere: Now I remember why I liked their draft so much. Anthony DeSciafani was nasty at the SEC Tournament and he's another guy like Stilson who is going to be a guy who can pitch in the 8th or 9th inning as a pro guy. He can pitch 93-96 mph, he misses bats, he's got a pretty good feel for his breaking ball. [Christian] Lopes was a guy last summer who was talked about as a potential top 40 [overall] guy. He fell off a little bit this spring, but the hit tool is real good, he's athletic, he's a pretty strong kid, he's got some speed. Andrew Chin is more of a pitch-ability lefty. I don't think you're going to see velocity numbers from him but that's the kind of guy that if the velocity does come around down the road, he's a kid who already knows how to pitch. I like picks like that. There's a lot of good names in there, but especially with Stilson and DeSciafani, there's a couple of guys there who can really be shutdown relievers for them that can also move pretty quickly.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: In that 11-20 range of their picks, who among that group do you look at and project as a potential impact player someday?
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\r\nPiliere: Well I like [Nicholas] Wiper, but Matt Dean is a guy who disappointed some people because he's got everything you look for - he's got the raw power, he's got the speed, he's athletic - but he hasn't really put it together yet. So if you're looking for a guy who is a value, a guy who you might have to wait on and be a three or four year project until you really see what he's got, he's got the raw tools to be an above average everyday player. I think if you're looking at that 11-20 range, you've got to be thrilled to have a crack a guy who has the chance to be a very good everyday regular player, if they can sign him of course. He's going to be a guy who fizzles out quick or if you have some patience with him maybe he figures it all out and puts it together.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: I haven't seen him myself but every scouts that I know and trust is pretty high on Andy Burns out of Arizona. What have you seen from, or heard about with, Burns?
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\r\nPiliere: Well I saw him a lot in the Cape [Cod League] last summer and he was really good. At the time when I was watching him I didn't know the back-story on him that he was going to be draft-eligible this year, but he was one of the better bats up there. He's a guy who puts on a pretty good show in batting practice and his swing is pretty compact, and he hits well in game action and he hits well with wood. In the 11th round that's a pretty good bargain. That's a guy who if he's back in the draft next year maybe goes in the top couple of rounds if he can put up the results with the tools he's got. He's got a lot of raw power and the bat is really interesting overall. I can see why they're excited about him.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: How about the players in that 21-30 round range, which of those players could surprise some folks in your opinion?
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\r\nPiliere: Aaron Nola is a guy who has some upside. I think that whole situation with him and his brother is going to be interesting, whether or not they can sign both of them. I know a lot of the area scouts liked him. I think he's more of a long-term guy, but from what I understand scouts really like his upside. I don't know a whole lot about him but if you're looking a sleeper in that range, he's a guy a lot of people like.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: We're really going to test your knowledge of the draft depth here - who in that 31-40 range is somebody we should pay attention to?
\r\n
\r\nPiliere: It's going to be the same name - [Austin] Nola is a guy from that group that I've seen a lot of. I don't know what he did this spring but he was really good over the summer [last year] in the Cape swinging the wood bat. He was a guy who I thought would go more in the 8-12 round range when spring started. He's probably a guy that, unless they work out some deal with him and his brother, is a guy who would go back for his senior year. Getting him down in that 40ish range, that's a pretty good player there. Other than him though, it doesn't seem like they took a whole lot of chances in that range.
\r\n
\r\nFutureJays.com: Let's round out with the last group - guys drafted 41-50 - is there anyone we should pay attention to?
\r\n
\r\nPiliere: Well I've seen [Jake] Eliopoulos and [Jacob] Wakamatsu. Wakamatsu has some power and he's got some lift in his swing. It doesn't look like it when you see him, but he's got an unorthodox approach. I don't know if he's still doing it but he kind of looked like he's modeling himself after Ichiro a little bit. He's got kind of a big leg kick, he likes to lift the ball, he's a little pull-happy to right field, but he's the kind of guy where you look at the bat and some of the things that are in place, you can see he could be something down the road with the bat. He'd definitely be more of a long-term project and probably a better college guy. And Eliopoulos, I saw him a couple of years ago pitching for the Team Canada team and he was 88-91 mph from the left side with a big breaking ball. I'm not sure what he's doing now but he was a guy a couple of years ago who was pretty competent. I don't know the latest on him but that seems like a great spot to get a left-handed arm that late.
\r\n
\r\nFutureJays.com: Let's go back to the beginning of the draft - the big story with the Jays' draft seems to be with Daniel Norris and whether or not he'll sign. What do you think - is that more of a risky pick taking him in the second round or do you think they'll make a strong push at him?
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\r\nPiliere: Ultimately most of the people I talked to -- I asked a lot about him -- it sounds like he's the type of kid who wants to play pro ball right now. I think ultimately that's what it comes down to with all of these guys - if they genuinely want to play, they're going to play. He'll get above slot but I don't think he's going to get the $3.9 or $4 million he's asking for. I don't think that's going to happen. They'll meet somewhere in the middle and I think they're going to get a real bargain for down there. He was a guy that on my board would go in the top 15. You could make the case that they got the third best high school arm after [Archie] Bradley and [Dylan] Bundy. He's that good. He's not quite as big and physical as those guys, but 91-94 mph from the left side with good command of his breaking ball, I don't think you could ask for much more from a second rounder. To me he was definitely the third best high school arm.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: One final question - looking at the draft this year and with the draft they had last year where they also took a lot of high school players, and they were already ranked across the board among the pundits as a top five farm system, if they were able to sign the majority of these guys, how much stronger is their farm system?
\r\n
\r\nPiliere: Oh I think they got a lot stronger. If you look around they added to a lot of different areas. They got more athletic and toolsy with Jacob Anderson and added some prep pitching. They addressed a couple of areas and got even stronger. They're clearly going to maintain their top five position and I think you could make a strong case they'll be one of the top two or three this year, assuming of course - Norris is kind of the key to whole thing, he can put them over the top. With him and Beede you're getting two first round elite high school arms and you don't get too many opportunities to get two guys like that.
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