My problem with Gorgen is he has Miller, Rosenthal, Kelly, Lynn, Siegrist, Fornataro, Cleto, Sanchez, Blazek, Butler, Rondon, C. Martinez, Whiting, Wacha, Swagerty, and Maness at least ahead of him not to mention younger ones like Jenkins, Cooney, O'Shea, etc. waiting for a chance. I don't believe he will ever get a chance to start for the Cards so that is why I lumped all the young pitching prospects together that he would have to be in competition with. He is also about 26 by now, not that he would be excluded on that basis alone. My feeling is that he would have been added to the 40 man at this stage if they thought that highly of him. We're all entitled to our opinions.
by that theory, that'd mean we should only care about the top 15 pitchers or so.
and i'll counter your statement regarding gorgen and the 40 man with one of my own. its fairly obvious he was in competition for the final rule 5 protected slot with butler and blazek. but remember this, its about who is more likely to be picked *and remain* on that mlb roster. butler and blazek are bullpen only guys now. gorgen is a starter. it far easier for whatever mlb team to take and keep a reliever than one who's only minor league experience is starting. not to mention, he had tommy john surgery in 2010. a team that might take him less likely to risk a 40 man spot for a guy they are less clear on regarding medical stuff due to him not being in their system. to summarize, i think he got left off due to, if picked, better odds he'd be returned.
not to mention you are completely overlooking his success. been a starter, and very successful at it, every yr he's pitched. including last yr. and i believe success at the AAA level should be held in higher regard than what it currently is when it comes to him. its a travesty he's been left off this long. not to mention mlb thinking he's #16 (even if overranked, he can't be 34 spots overranked)
Last year he hurt his shoulder, game back and hurt it again. Not sure if it's his throwing shoulder or not. I hope not at one point there was even talk of him possibily being a pitcher. His arm was that good. The year before he broke his wrist robbing a home run. I'm think it was his non throwing arm that he hurt last year but I'll check it out.
It looks to me like the Cardinals protected all but Additon, Greenwood, and Reifer on the Memphis staff (including Marte and Browning at least to this point) that needed to be (Rule 5 eligible) and all but Richard Castillo, McGregor, Hooker, Delgado, and Thomas along with Gorgen on the Springfield staff. (reminder: C.Martinez, Wacha, Whiting, Maness, Swagerty, and Wright did not need to be protected). It just seems to me that had they valued Gorgen enough to protect him, they had room by cutting Marte or Browning. As for the MLB ranking, I don't think they got their info from Cardinal officials or Gorgen, Stock, and Blazek would not have been in the top 20. Sorry we disagree, but that's ok.
Wonder what type of surgery, if RC I couldn't vote for him, if something else maybe... We have need for outfielders, and he has the potential only 24 or 25 I believe....
scadder21 wrote: Last year he hurt his shoulder, game back and hurt it again. Not sure if it's his throwing shoulder or not. I hope not at one point there was even talk of him possibily being a pitcher. His arm was that good. The year before he broke his wrist robbing a home run. I'm think it was his non throwing arm that he hurt last year but I'll check it out.
It says a lot to be able to reel off 50 prospects without a stiff in the bunch.
Now voting for #51.
I am at a loss as of right now since I have been focusing on 50. There is another sizeable group of worthies, but how to sort them out top to bottom and come up with ten that stand out? I think I'm done with short season guys who throw 95, unless a lot more can be said.
I think somebody mentioned the guys from last year's list who are eligible but haven'r made the cut yet. Could we get those names again?