Q&A with Andrew Tinnish - Part II

With the 2012 MLB Draft all over and done with, FutureJays.com checks in with Blue Jays' Scouting Director Andrew Tinnish for a Q&A session. In Part Two of our two-part series find out who he thinks could be the 'sleepers' among the seniors in rounds 4-10, who he'd compare Ryan Kellogg to, what he thinks of the sign-ability of the later round high school guys, and a whole lot more.

FutureJays.com: Of the college senior group in rounds four through ten, outside of Donahue who you already mentioned, whether it be Delatte or Parmley, somebody of that ilk -- who could come out and surprise some folks?

Andrew Tinnish: I think Parmley's a very good runner. On our scale, like I said before, he's a 7-runner. If the bat clicks he's got a chance. Leyland had a ton of power. I think he hit 22 home runs this year so he could certainly do some damage. I haven't seen a ton of these players. For the most part I've seen them on film but I do know they have some tools. The ones that stood out as far as tools were Donahue's fastball, Parmley's speed, and the Leyland power.

FutureJays.com: Being a Canadian team, you well know these northeast guys like Grant Heyman don't always get a ton of time on the field but he seems to offer some significant upside, no?

Tinnish: Heyman's a big kid. He's 6-foot-4, 190, left-handed hitter, athletic for his size and I think you hit the nail on the head -- he definitely hasn't played as much baseball as your typical southern -- the kids from Texas, Florida, California, etc -- I think there's definitely upside to him. He has the power-speed combo. He just needs to harness it and get reps in the right environment.

FutureJays.com: On that vein then let's talk about Ryan Kellogg, a 6-foot-5 lefty. You're getting all of these tall left-handers. What do you think his upside is and what does he need to work on?

Tinnish: I think Kellogg is more of a polished type arm. He is a big kid, he does have good arm action. I'd say he's advanced. Most of the competition he's been pitching against is mostly pro competition just because of the way Team Canada sets up their schedule. He knows how to compete, he knows how to pitch, he's got a good fastball and a good changeup, and spins the curveball okay. It's a pitch he needs to tighten up and work on, which I think even he would acknowledge, but overall there's a good frame, good arm action, good aptitude and good feel to pitch.

FutureJays.com: It almost sounds like Justin Nicolino when he came in, no?

Tinnish: Yeah he does have some Nicolino to him. I think the frames are different. Nicolino had that wiry type frame, Kellogg's a lot more physical at this point than Nicolino. But they are both tall left-handers who had a feel to pitch and a good changeup.

FutureJays.com: What can you tell us about John Silviano?

Tinnish: He came into one of our workouts and he showed raw power with the bat and raw arm strength. He's a very young high school kid who can put the ball out of the park. He's a left-handed hitter and he has arm strength. I think the catching has a ways to go. In just my brief experience with him he's a good kid who is a baseball rat and who I think is up to the challenge, and physically can handle the daily grind of catching. We'll see how he progresses over time.

FutureJays.com: Zakery Wasilewski was a guy I heard could have gone higher in the draft but I didn't know the circumstances. He seemed like a guy who slipped a bit in the draft. Is that what you saw?

Tinnish: Yeah I think for us we were a little surprised when our area scout called and said 'hey, Zack's interested in signing and wants to get out and play'. He's from that Billy Wagner neck of the woods, kind of a smaller rural area [where there's] not a ton of baseball, but again, he's an athletic left-hander with some good stuff. I'd imagine it's going to be information overload for him over the next four or five months taking in everything from pro instruction. He was a guy we felt like was going to go a little bit better. I think our area scout dig a great job on him, staying with him, sticking with him, and in figuring out what he wanted to do.

FutureJays.com: How does Ryan Borucki compare to Kellogg since they're both tall left-handers?

Tinnish: Kellogg is certainly more physical. Borucki is probably more of a quicker-twitch, more arm strength. Borucki we've had up to 92 or 93 mph, Kellogg has been pitching more in that 88 mph range, touching 90 or 91. Kellogg is more of a feel type, methodical type, where Borucki is more quick-twitch, aggressive, come at you type of an arm.

FutureJays.com: Of that next group of ten picks, guys like Will Dupont, Colton Turner, Dennis Jones, etc, which one could come up and surprise some folks?

Tinnish: I think [Shane] Dawson is interesting. He's Canadian, he's a young J1. He's really a high school aged kid. He doesn't have a ton of power to stuff right now, he's more of that 85-88 mph type, but there's projection. There's good arm action, he competes. I remember seeing Erik Bedard at the same age and he made a lot of jumps from that J1 year through ultimately when he got to the big leagues. I'm not saying he's Bedard but it is a young Canadian left-hander whose arm works and who hasn't a ton of innings, and hasn't been in that full-time baseball environment for too long. Dennis Jones is an 8-runner on the 2-8 scale, the JC outfielder. He's a good sized kid too. He's more of a line-drive type bat who uses his legs but he's interesting because of the athleticism. He pitched too though so he has some arm strength in the outfield. He's got a chance to run some balls down and make some pretty good throws there in the outfield. The Flores is smallish but one of the better defenders at shortstop, at least we felt, in the whole draft. He's a J2. We had multiple guys see him and they felt he's at least a plus defender at the shortstop position.

FutureJays.com: You took a slew of high school guys after those rounds -- Desouza, Almonte, Pascazi, Rose, etc -- the realities of the new CBA are, however, that you're not going to be able to sign them all. Which ones do you feel are at least in the mix?

Tinnish: We wanted to remain aggressive and take players we felt like had good upside. You're right, we're not going to be able to sign all of them. I wish I could sit here and say we will get all of them but I can't. However, with this system and the way it works -- we felt like from the fourth to the tenth [rounds] we were able to control our costs. We feel like we may have some flexibility later on in the summer to get some of these guys done. Will we get all of them done? No, we won't. But we're working towards signing as many of these guys as we can. They're all different in their own way, they all have different options, different positions, different upsides, different financial demands, things change over the course of the summer where a kid we may think is signable now towards the end of summer at the deadline becomes unsignable and vice-versa -- I think it's good to have options. At least we can sit here and say 'we've got a chance at these three guys or these four guys, whatever it is, but we'll spend the summer working on them and seeing what we can do.

FutureJays.com: Is it fair to say then that both Cole Irvin and and Nathan Desouza are two of the highest upside guys you took in the later rounds?

Tinnish: Yeah I definitely think Cole Irvin without question is the highest upside guy that we took post-ten [round]. He's got a pretty strong commitment to [the University of] Oregon. Certainly at this point he's not somebody we expect to sign. We'll keep in contact with him over the course of the summer and just see how things progress. I think Desouza's a pretty advanced bat. He kind of had an up and down year with injuries with Team Canada and probably wasn't able to compete as much as he wanted to, but I remember seeing him last year in Jupiter and I think he can really hit. I saw him take Carson Fulmer deep in Jupiter and for me, from an offensive perspective, I think he's one of the best bats if not the best bat in Canada this year.

FutureJays.com: Now that you've been through the post-new-CBA draft, was it as hard or not as hard as you anticipated? Did you feel like you guys were pretty well equipped for the changes?

Tinnish: I felt like we were well equipped. I understand the system but we're still trying to get a feel for it. I'll have a better feel after the [signing] deadline because at that point I'll know 'I took these players and we were able to sign these players'. Certainly there were points in the draft where we passed up on players that we liked because of certain pool restrictions, but overall I felt like we had a good draft. From that perspective I feel really good. July 13th at 5:01 pm when everything is done I'll have a better feel for the system itself. I think a couple of things this system does it gives everyone clarity earlier. We know a lot earlier if a kid is going to school or whether we're going to get him. The fact that the deadline is moved up a month gives guys an extra month to go out and play pro ball over the summer, which is great. I think it's better for short-season baseball, I think it's better for us, I think it's better for the colleges because at least they know if they have spots to fill. That itself is great. Now a kid at the very least may still be able to get 100 at-bats in the GCL, AZL, whatever it is, and that makes a big difference. From that perspective it's definitely a win. As for the rest of it I'll know better on July 13th.


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\r\n \r\n\r\nFutureJays.com: Of the college senior group in rounds four through ten, outside of Donahue who you already mentioned, whether it be Delatte or Parmley, somebody of that ilk -- who could come out and surprise some folks?
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\r\nAndrew Tinnish: I think Parmley's a very good runner. On our scale, like I said before, he's a 7-runner. If the bat clicks he's got a chance. Leyland had a ton of power. I think he hit 22 home runs this year so he could certainly do some damage. I haven't seen a ton of these players. For the most part I've seen them on film but I do know they have some tools. The ones that stood out as far as tools were Donahue's fastball, Parmley's speed, and the Leyland power.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: Being a Canadian team, you well know these northeast guys like Grant Heyman don't always get a ton of time on the field but he seems to offer some significant upside, no?
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\r\nTinnish: Heyman's a big kid. He's 6-foot-4, 190, left-handed hitter, athletic for his size and I think you hit the nail on the head -- he definitely hasn't played as much baseball as your typical southern -- the kids from Texas, Florida, California, etc -- I think there's definitely upside to him. He has the power-speed combo. He just needs to harness it and get reps in the right environment.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: On that vein then let's talk about Ryan Kellogg, a 6-foot-5 lefty. You're getting all of these tall left-handers. What do you think his upside is and what does he need to work on?
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\r\nTinnish: I think Kellogg is more of a polished type arm. He is a big kid, he does have good arm action. I'd say he's advanced. Most of the competition he's been pitching against is mostly pro competition just because of the way Team Canada sets up their schedule. He knows how to compete, he knows how to pitch, he's got a good fastball and a good changeup, and spins the curveball okay. It's a pitch he needs to tighten up and work on, which I think even he would acknowledge, but overall there's a good frame, good arm action, good aptitude and good feel to pitch.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: It almost sounds like Justin Nicolino when he came in, no?
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\r\nTinnish: Yeah he does have some Nicolino to him. I think the frames are different. Nicolino had that wiry type frame, Kellogg's a lot more physical at this point than Nicolino. But they are both tall left-handers who had a feel to pitch and a good changeup.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: What can you tell us about John Silviano?
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\r\nTinnish: He came into one of our workouts and he showed raw power with the bat and raw arm strength. He's a very young high school kid who can put the ball out of the park. He's a left-handed hitter and he has arm strength. I think the catching has a ways to go. In just my brief experience with him he's a good kid who is a baseball rat and who I think is up to the challenge, and physically can handle the daily grind of catching. We'll see how he progresses over time.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: Zakery Wasilewski was a guy I heard could have gone higher in the draft but I didn't know the circumstances. He seemed like a guy who slipped a bit in the draft. Is that what you saw?
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\r\nTinnish: Yeah I think for us we were a little surprised when our area scout called and said 'hey, Zack's interested in signing and wants to get out and play'. He's from that Billy Wagner neck of the woods, kind of a smaller rural area [where there's] not a ton of baseball, but again, he's an athletic left-hander with some good stuff. I'd imagine it's going to be information overload for him over the next four or five months taking in everything from pro instruction. He was a guy we felt like was going to go a little bit better. I think our area scout dig a great job on him, staying with him, sticking with him, and in figuring out what he wanted to do.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: How does Ryan Borucki compare to Kellogg since they're both tall left-handers?
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\r\nTinnish: Kellogg is certainly more physical. Borucki is probably more of a quicker-twitch, more arm strength. Borucki we've had up to 92 or 93 mph, Kellogg has been pitching more in that 88 mph range, touching 90 or 91. Kellogg is more of a feel type, methodical type, where Borucki is more quick-twitch, aggressive, come at you type of an arm.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: Of that next group of ten picks, guys like Will Dupont, Colton Turner, Dennis Jones, etc, which one could come up and surprise some folks?
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\r\nTinnish: I think [Shane] Dawson is interesting. He's Canadian, he's a young J1. He's really a high school aged kid. He doesn't have a ton of power to stuff right now, he's more of that 85-88 mph type, but there's projection. There's good arm action, he competes. I remember seeing Erik Bedard at the same age and he made a lot of jumps from that J1 year through ultimately when he got to the big leagues. I'm not saying he's Bedard but it is a young Canadian left-hander whose arm works and who hasn't a ton of innings, and hasn't been in that full-time baseball environment for too long. Dennis Jones is an 8-runner on the 2-8 scale, the JC outfielder. He's a good sized kid too. He's more of a line-drive type bat who uses his legs but he's interesting because of the athleticism. He pitched too though so he has some arm strength in the outfield. He's got a chance to run some balls down and make some pretty good throws there in the outfield. The Flores is smallish but one of the better defenders at shortstop, at least we felt, in the whole draft. He's a J2. We had multiple guys see him and they felt he's at least a plus defender at the shortstop position.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: You took a slew of high school guys after those rounds -- Desouza, Almonte, Pascazi, Rose, etc -- the realities of the new CBA are, however, that you're not going to be able to sign them all. Which ones do you feel are at least in the mix?
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\r\nTinnish: We wanted to remain aggressive and take players we felt like had good upside. You're right, we're not going to be able to sign all of them. I wish I could sit here and say we will get all of them but I can't. However, with this system and the way it works -- we felt like from the fourth to the tenth [rounds] we were able to control our costs. We feel like we may have some flexibility later on in the summer to get some of these guys done. Will we get all of them done? No, we won't. But we're working towards signing as many of these guys as we can. They're all different in their own way, they all have different options, different positions, different upsides, different financial demands, things change over the course of the summer where a kid we may think is signable now towards the end of summer at the deadline becomes unsignable and vice-versa -- I think it's good to have options. At least we can sit here and say 'we've got a chance at these three guys or these four guys, whatever it is, but we'll spend the summer working on them and seeing what we can do.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: Is it fair to say then that both Cole Irvin and and Nathan Desouza are two of the highest upside guys you took in the later rounds?
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\r\nTinnish: Yeah I definitely think Cole Irvin without question is the highest upside guy that we took post-ten [round]. He's got a pretty strong commitment to [the University of] Oregon. Certainly at this point he's not somebody we expect to sign. We'll keep in contact with him over the course of the summer and just see how things progress. I think Desouza's a pretty advanced bat. He kind of had an up and down year with injuries with Team Canada and probably wasn't able to compete as much as he wanted to, but I remember seeing him last year in Jupiter and I think he can really hit. I saw him take Carson Fulmer deep in Jupiter and for me, from an offensive perspective, I think he's one of the best bats if not the best bat in Canada this year.
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\r\nFutureJays.com: Now that you've been through the post-new-CBA draft, was it as hard or not as hard as you anticipated? Did you feel like you guys were pretty well equipped for the changes?
\r\n
\r\nTinnish: I felt like we were well equipped. I understand the system but we're still trying to get a feel for it. I'll have a better feel after the [signing] deadline because at that point I'll know 'I took these players and we were able to sign these players'. Certainly there were points in the draft where we passed up on players that we liked because of certain pool restrictions, but overall I felt like we had a good draft. From that perspective I feel really good. July 13th at 5:01 pm when everything is done I'll have a better feel for the system itself. I think a couple of things this system does it gives everyone clarity earlier. We know a lot earlier if a kid is going to school or whether we're going to get him. The fact that the deadline is moved up a month gives guys an extra month to go out and play pro ball over the summer, which is great. I think it's better for short-season baseball, I think it's better for us, I think it's better for the colleges because at least they know if they have spots to fill. That itself is great. Now a kid at the very least may still be able to get 100 at-bats in the GCL, AZL, whatever it is, and that makes a big difference. From that perspective it's definitely a win. As for the rest of it I'll know better on July 13th.
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