WezMailBlog: V-Mart Replacements, 2015 Draft

With this week’s unfortunate news about Victor Martinez, we take a look at just what the injury means for the Tigers, along with potential internal short-term replacements for Martinez on the big league roster. That, plus now that the Tigers have a couple of first round picks in this year’s draft, what exactly does this draft class look like?

1. V-Mart Injury

Newfy wrote:
ProfessorRossEforp wrote: My buddy tore his meniscus playing football and was out three weeks, but sometimes I hear they are worse?

Exactly - how does a meniscus tear become 6 months?

 

When news came out on Thursday that Victor Martinez had torn his medial meniscus, fans immediately jumped to the worst case scenario. A “here we go again” mentality that spelled doom for the Tigers, two weeks before pitchers and catchers even reported. Now, to be clear, you never want to hear news that one of your star hitters is injured – you want your best guys healthy, obviously. But, this news is far from a death sentence for the Tigers.

The Tigers won’t know for sure what they’re dealing with until Dr. James Andrews goes in and operates on Martinez’s left knee (the same one that he tore his ACL in a few years ago), which is scheduled to happen on Tuesday. After that, the Tigers will have a better idea of an injury timeline and recovery path. But the outcome is likely to be one of two things.

The first, and worst case scenario, is that they decide to re-attach the band, which requires extensive time to let the cartilage heal. This would sideline Martinez for about three months, and likely mean the Tigers fans wouldn’t see him in action until June, at the earliest. This is certainly a concerning possibility, however, it’s rare that going the route of re-attaching is required.

Instead, the more likely scenario is to simply remove a piece of the meniscus and let the band heal on its own. This is the common course of action for athletes, and usually only results in about a month of downtime before being able to return to activity. Assuming this case happens, a month of inactivity puts us into mid-March, a couple of weeks of getting back into shape puts V-Mart and his recovery into late March. In this scenario, Martinez would likely be ready to take at-bats before spring camp even breaks, and could be ready to play by Opening Day, depending on how many AB’s he thinks he needs before he’s ready for big league pitching.

In a nutshell, unless the Tigers get bad news coming out of surgery (a possibility, but not a probability), this should not have a significant impact on the Tigers’ 2015 plans. So, back off the ledge, at least for now.

2. V-Mart Replacements

So, following the two scenarios above, there’s a chance the Tigers could need to find an everyday hitter for at least a couple of months, or it’s a couple of weeks. If it’s a couple of months, the Tigers will likely need to scan the waiver wire or look for a player out of options or someone that can be picked up on the cheap late in spring. They simply don’t have a longer-term option ready right now to step in.

But, if it’s just a few weeks, the Tigers can likely absorb the loss internally. The qualifications are likely going to need to include an ability to play first base, and a hitter that provides some pop in the lineup. The club will likely be able to absorb at least some of the at-bats by utilizing the current expected roster members, giving more time to Rajai Davis and Anthony Gose, possibly by sliding J.D. Martinez into the designated hitter spot.

But even doing that, you’re going to need another player on the roster, especially someone that can play first base without an obvious backup candidate on the roster and Miguel Cabrera potentially still ailing.

That is one of two reasons why it’s unlikely Steven Moya is a candidate. The other is that he’s not ready to face big league pitching. Yes, he’s a highly regarded prospect, now ranked 2nd in the organization on the TigsTown Top Ten. He also had a breakout 2014 season, racking up Erie Seawolves records en route to being named Eastern League MVP. That being said, he’s still raw. Very raw. He’s only 23-years old, and his long swing still has some holes in it – holes that don’t get exposed against Double-A pitching, but Major Leaguers will eat alive.

Given he doesn’t play the position in need and probably isn’t ready, it’s unlikely Moya will get a look in Detroit in April.

With the need to play first base, attention should shift to non-roster invitees Jordan Lennerton and Aaron Westlake, and especially Lennerton. Westlake will get a look, and has some power in his bat, but struggles with contact, and posted just a .689 OPS in Erie last year with 120 strikeouts, which has typically been a hitter-friendly environment. In addition, Westlake has never been considered the smoothest of defenders, and might create issues if the Tigers needed him in the field, as well.

Lennerton on the other hand is a polished defender, consistently showing up in the TigsTools rankings for infield defense. His long arms make him a big target, and he’s good with the glove. That checks an important box. In addition, Lennerton has more than held his own offensively over the last two years at Toledo, with an .812 OPS in 2013 and a .757 OPS in 2014. Those aren’t amazing offensive numbers, but he’s not considered a top prospect, so that shouldn’t be the expectation. Lennerton has given the club a 0.15 ISO with a great walk rate. For an interim solution, Lennerton should be able to admirably fill in.

3. 2015 Draft Class Quality

With the college baseball season set to begin in less than a week, this is a well-timed question, and as noted, the Tigers are in an unusual position, as they’re going to have two selections in the top 35 picks in this year’s draft.

As we’ve noted a couple times now, this draft in general, but those top selections in particular, are going to be crucial for the Tigers in helping stock a depleted farm system. Given that we haven’t seen any college ball played yet this winter/spring, these forecasts will likely come into focus more over the next couple months.

Overall, the word I’ve gotten from scouts that I’ve talked to is that this draft is lacking in top end talent. A guy that goes fifth in the draft this year could well be on par talent-wise with Derek Hill, who the Tigers got 23rd overall last year. That was the result of a little bit of luck for the Tigers, and a draft that had a strong crop of arms that ended up in demand, and overshadowed a guy like Hill.

However, the depth of the draft, especially among position players, is expected to be rather strong. That should help the Tigers get good value with their two first round picks. So, it’s not a banner year for talent, but also not a particularly weak draft, at least not based on what I’ve heard.

That will put the onus on the Tigers to take advantage of their opportunities and invest in talent that could develop into big league starters. The past couple of years, the Tigers draft strategy has placed a priority on guys with big arms that are likely to end up in the bullpen, and a lot of position players that projected more to be bench or utility guys. This year, the Tigers have the draft picks (and with the higher selections, some added financial flexibility) to be more aggressive.


Tigs Town Top Stories

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@TigsTown does Moya or Lennerton stay with the club if VMart & or Miggy is not ready to go? LH bats & 1base

— Coach Nate (@CoachN8) February 8, 2015
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So, following the two scenarios above, there’s a chance the Tigers could need to find an everyday hitter for at least a couple of months, or it’s a couple of weeks. If it’s a couple of months, the Tigers will likely need to scan the waiver wire or look for a player out of options or someone that can be picked up on the cheap late in spring. They simply don’t have a longer-term option ready right now to step in.

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But, if it’s just a few weeks, the Tigers can likely absorb the loss internally. The qualifications are likely going to need to include an ability to play first base, and a hitter that provides some pop in the lineup. The club will likely be able to absorb at least some of the at-bats by utilizing the current expected roster members, giving more time to Rajai Davis and Anthony Gose, possibly by sliding J.D. Martinez into the designated hitter spot.

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But even doing that, you’re going to need another player on the roster, especially someone that can play first base without an obvious backup candidate on the roster and Miguel Cabrera potentially still ailing.

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That is one of two reasons why it’s unlikely Steven Moya is a candidate. The other is that he’s not ready to face big league pitching. Yes, he’s a highly regarded prospect, now ranked 2nd in the organization on the TigsTown Top Ten. He also had a breakout 2014 season, racking up Erie Seawolves records en route to being named Eastern League MVP. That being said, he’s still raw. Very raw. He’s only 23-years old, and his long swing still has some holes in it – holes that don’t get exposed against Double-A pitching, but Major Leaguers will eat alive.

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Given he doesn’t play the position in need and probably isn’t ready, it’s unlikely Moya will get a look in Detroit in April.

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With the need to play first base, attention should shift to non-roster invitees Jordan Lennerton and Aaron Westlake, and especially Lennerton. Westlake will get a look, and has some power in his bat, but struggles with contact, and posted just a .689 OPS in Erie last year with 120 strikeouts, which has typically been a hitter-friendly environment. In addition, Westlake has never been considered the smoothest of defenders, and might create issues if the Tigers needed him in the field, as well.

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Lennerton on the other hand is a polished defender, consistently showing up in the TigsTools rankings for infield defense. His long arms make him a big target, and he’s good with the glove. That checks an important box. In addition, Lennerton has more than held his own offensively over the last two years at Toledo, with an .812 OPS in 2013 and a .757 OPS in 2014. Those aren’t amazing offensive numbers, but he’s not considered a top prospect, so that shouldn’t be the expectation. Lennerton has given the club a 0.15 ISO with a great walk rate. For an interim solution, Lennerton should be able to admirably fill in.

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3. 2015 Draft Class Quality

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@TigsTown With the Tigers having two high draft picks this year, how does the talent pool in this draft compare to previous years?

— Evan (@MSU_2007) February 8, 2015
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With the college baseball season set to begin in less than a week, this is a well-timed question, and as noted, the Tigers are in an unusual position, as they’re going to have two selections in the top 35 picks in this year’s draft.

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As we’ve noted a couple times now, this draft in general, but those top selections in particular, are going to be crucial for the Tigers in helping stock a depleted farm system. Given that we haven’t seen any college ball played yet this winter/spring, these forecasts will likely come into focus more over the next couple months.

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Overall, the word I’ve gotten from scouts that I’ve talked to is that this draft is lacking in top end talent. A guy that goes fifth in the draft this year could well be on par talent-wise with Derek Hill, who the Tigers got 23rd overall last year. That was the result of a little bit of luck for the Tigers, and a draft that had a strong crop of arms that ended up in demand, and overshadowed a guy like Hill.

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However, the depth of the draft, especially among position players, is expected to be rather strong. That should help the Tigers get good value with their two first round picks. So, it’s not a banner year for talent, but also not a particularly weak draft, at least not based on what I’ve heard.

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That will put the onus on the Tigers to take advantage of their opportunities and invest in talent that could develop into big league starters. The past couple of years, the Tigers draft strategy has placed a priority on guys with big arms that are likely to end up in the bullpen, and a lot of position players that projected more to be bench or utility guys. This year, the Tigers have the draft picks (and with the higher selections, some added financial flexibility) to be more aggressive.

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Newfy wrote:
ProfessorRossEforp wrote: My buddy tore his meniscus playing football and was out three weeks, but sometimes I hear they are worse?

Exactly - how does a meniscus tear become 6 months?

 

When news came out on Thursday that Victor Martinez had torn his medial meniscus, fans immediately jumped to the worst case scenario. A “here we go again” mentality that spelled doom for the Tigers, two weeks before pitchers and catchers even reported. Now, to be clear, you never want to hear news that one of your star hitters is injured – you want your best guys healthy, obviously. But, this news is far from a death sentence for the Tigers.

The Tigers won’t know for sure what they’re dealing with until Dr. James Andrews goes in and operates on Martinez’s left knee (the same one that he tore his ACL in a few years ago), which is scheduled to happen on Tuesday. After that, the Tigers will have a better idea of an injury timeline and recovery path. But the outcome is likely to be one of two things.

The first, and worst case scenario, is that they decide to re-attach the band, which requires extensive time to let the cartilage heal. This would sideline Martinez for about three months, and likely mean the Tigers fans wouldn’t see him in action until June, at the earliest. This is certainly a concerning possibility, however, it’s rare that going the route of re-attaching is required.

Instead, the more likely scenario is to simply remove a piece of the meniscus and let the band heal on its own. This is the common course of action for athletes, and usually only results in about a month of downtime before being able to return to activity. Assuming this case happens, a month of inactivity puts us into mid-March, a couple of weeks of getting back into shape puts V-Mart and his recovery into late March. In this scenario, Martinez would likely be ready to take at-bats before spring camp even breaks, and could be ready to play by Opening Day, depending on how many AB’s he thinks he needs before he’s ready for big league pitching.

In a nutshell, unless the Tigers get bad news coming out of surgery (a possibility, but not a probability), this should not have a significant impact on the Tigers’ 2015 plans. So, back off the ledge, at least for now.

@TigsTown Lets say Vmart misses April,can you see Aaron Westlake or Jordan Lennerton playing first and Miggy DH to help both spots? MC ankle

— Lee Miller (@blazeis9plus1) February 7, 2015

@TigsTown does Moya or Lennerton stay with the club if VMart & or Miggy is not ready to go? LH bats & 1base

— Coach Nate (@CoachN8) February 8, 2015

So, following the two scenarios above, there’s a chance the Tigers could need to find an everyday hitter for at least a couple of months, or it’s a couple of weeks. If it’s a couple of months, the Tigers will likely need to scan the waiver wire or look for a player out of options or someone that can be picked up on the cheap late in spring. They simply don’t have a longer-term option ready right now to step in.

But, if it’s just a few weeks, the Tigers can likely absorb the loss internally. The qualifications are likely going to need to include an ability to play first base, and a hitter that provides some pop in the lineup. The club will likely be able to absorb at least some of the at-bats by utilizing the current expected roster members, giving more time to Rajai Davis and Anthony Gose, possibly by sliding J.D. Martinez into the designated hitter spot.

But even doing that, you’re going to need another player on the roster, especially someone that can play first base without an obvious backup candidate on the roster and Miguel Cabrera potentially still ailing.

That is one of two reasons why it’s unlikely Steven Moya is a candidate. The other is that he’s not ready to face big league pitching. Yes, he’s a highly regarded prospect, now ranked 2nd in the organization on the TigsTown Top Ten. He also had a breakout 2014 season, racking up Erie Seawolves records en route to being named Eastern League MVP. That being said, he’s still raw. Very raw. He’s only 23-years old, and his long swing still has some holes in it – holes that don’t get exposed against Double-A pitching, but Major Leaguers will eat alive.

Given he doesn’t play the position in need and probably isn’t ready, it’s unlikely Moya will get a look in Detroit in April.

With the need to play first base, attention should shift to non-roster invitees Jordan Lennerton and Aaron Westlake, and especially Lennerton. Westlake will get a look, and has some power in his bat, but struggles with contact, and posted just a .689 OPS in Erie last year with 120 strikeouts, which has typically been a hitter-friendly environment. In addition, Westlake has never been considered the smoothest of defenders, and might create issues if the Tigers needed him in the field, as well.

Lennerton on the other hand is a polished defender, consistently showing up in the TigsTools rankings for infield defense. His long arms make him a big target, and he’s good with the glove. That checks an important box. In addition, Lennerton has more than held his own offensively over the last two years at Toledo, with an .812 OPS in 2013 and a .757 OPS in 2014. Those aren’t amazing offensive numbers, but he’s not considered a top prospect, so that shouldn’t be the expectation. Lennerton has given the club a 0.15 ISO with a great walk rate. For an interim solution, Lennerton should be able to admirably fill in.

@TigsTown With the Tigers having two high draft picks this year, how does the talent pool in this draft compare to previous years?

— Evan (@MSU_2007) February 8, 2015

With the college baseball season set to begin in less than a week, this is a well-timed question, and as noted, the Tigers are in an unusual position, as they’re going to have two selections in the top 35 picks in this year’s draft.

As we’ve noted a couple times now, this draft in general, but those top selections in particular, are going to be crucial for the Tigers in helping stock a depleted farm system. Given that we haven’t seen any college ball played yet this winter/spring, these forecasts will likely come into focus more over the next couple months.

Overall, the word I’ve gotten from scouts that I’ve talked to is that this draft is lacking in top end talent. A guy that goes fifth in the draft this year could well be on par talent-wise with Derek Hill, who the Tigers got 23rd overall last year. That was the result of a little bit of luck for the Tigers, and a draft that had a strong crop of arms that ended up in demand, and overshadowed a guy like Hill.

However, the depth of the draft, especially among position players, is expected to be rather strong. That should help the Tigers get good value with their two first round picks. So, it’s not a banner year for talent, but also not a particularly weak draft, at least not based on what I’ve heard.

That will put the onus on the Tigers to take advantage of their opportunities and invest in talent that could develop into big league starters. The past couple of years, the Tigers draft strategy has placed a priority on guys with big arms that are likely to end up in the bullpen, and a lot of position players that projected more to be bench or utility guys. This year, the Tigers have the draft picks (and with the higher selections, some added financial flexibility) to be more aggressive.

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