Honestly, I think that's a bit reactionary from the Twins and I am sure there is more to this story.
Outside of yesterday's ballgame, the guy has been ok for us. Anyone (except Gardy) could have seen the guy just didn't have it yesterday. I knew during the second batter (and said so on the Game Thread) and that's when our pitching coach should have sttttttrrroooooooollllllllled out to the mound (get someone else up pronto!) and discussed this at lengths.
Interesting. If we were in Boston, I know there'd be an "anonymous source" that give us the gossip on why Guerrier was released.
It was funny on the broadcast, Bremer started talking about how he could see him back with the twins next year when the inning started. Now he's DFA. Thought it was pretty cold of Gardy to leave him out there through all that. His ERA went up over a run.
I didn't get his inherited runners allowed stat, but he just didn't impress me. Maybe it was partly because he didn't pitch well down here and I really didn't expect much when he went up. Just not one of my favorites. Apparently what the Twins saw didn't impress either. Guess the stats were not the whole story??
Having said that,, which one of the Red Wings bozos in the pen would you like? Line 'em up...they'll walk the ballpark. Not a single one of them has been worth a crap since the beginning of July. Don't even look at the stats...all you need to know is WALKS WALKS WALKS...and runs allowed late in games. throw all the names in a hat and pick anyone....and he'll blow a game for you.
Take one...as Lumiere would say 'be our guest'! Given these choices, I'd proabably stick with Guerrier.
We've signed a 35 yr old reliever and imo, he EXCEEDED expectations!
Prior to yesterday, in 27+ innings and 27 appearances, his ERA was 2.67.
At home, he was even better. Before yesterday's debacle, he had given up a total of one (1) run in 13 + innings, with opponents hitting .205 against him.
You know what? Given Guerrier's success here in 2014, I think there is a REAL chance that Guerrier was just a bit too vocal to Gardy about being left 'hang out to dry' last night. And Gardy didn't like it and Guerrier finds himself without a job the next day... even though we could all agree the guy has been at least more than adequate, if not pretty darn good.
I can't sugar-coat it. It was HORRIBLE managing of a pitcher who I saw was clearly struggling into his second batter of the inning. Why couldn't he see it?
This sort of thing is normal for Buck Showalter as well. He would stick with a guy forever, even when he couldn't get a 5 year old out. Its hard to understand, being a fan. Last year Buck would leave JJ Johnson in games when clearly after one batter you KNEW the guy was done...and it always got worse. Gardy has always had his 'favorites' and his punching bags. Thats why I have to assume there is more to this story...
insagt1 wrote: Thats why I have to assume there is more to this story...
Yeah, I agree.
While it probably wasn't as dramatic as Kyle Lohse taking a bat to Gardy's door, I'm almost 100% certain Guerrier let Gardy (and any folks within earshot of his locker) know his displeasure in the way he was handled and THAT is what got him DFA'ed.
My first thought was that he was being moved to make room for a prospect, but when they brought up Pressly, I realized that wasn't the case and that he was being released for performance reasons (either on the field or off. Who knows?) It wouldn't at all surprise me if, as brian suggested, he was released for being too vocal about Gardy leaving him in for too long.
So you get Pressly by default. One of our no-loads had to come up. As I look at the Red Wings failures since the beginning of July--the onus quickly lands on the bullpen. They have been responsible for several late inning losses and their inability to throw strikes also keeps the 'd' back on its heels...all those long counts and foul balls and walks....
Total team effort. They all suck right now. Pressly might profit from the change of scenery...but you're not getting a 'hot hand' thats for sure. I have no idea what Marty Mason is doing down here...but he clearly isn't getting the message across to these guys right now.
Yeah, this clearly wasn't a move that was made to make room for a guy who was tearing it up in Rochester and deserved a shot. I honestly don't see Pressly being a vast improvement over Guerrier. Unlike the Red Sox, the Twins tend to be tight-lipped about these internal matters, so we may never know what was really going on behind closed doors. I suppose it's possible that Guerrier actually asked to be released after Gardy left him in for too long and management obliged. Oh well. With Kubel, Bartlett and Guerrier now gone, the 2006 Twins Reunion Tour is officially over.
Kubel has not resurfaced. I wonder if he is all done? Looking at Guerrier's body of work this year for the Twins, Brian has a good point. It wasn't that bad...better than I remember certainly (given his lousy stint in Rochester)...so Pressly is not much of an upgrade at all.
Of course, I am fed up with all of them in our pen now. Can't think of one single arm that is reliable in the clutch at present. Tough place to be.
After reading through this thread, I thought I'd check out what has been reported on this release. Oddly, the accounts in the press seem to suggest that Guerrier was a "Gardy guy" and that Gardenhire was sorry to see him go. I guess the options for what happened are, a.) Gardy is talking out of two sides of his mouth and wanted him gone; b.) Guerrier asked to be released, c.) Ryan made the decision on his own. If the answer turned out to be c., it would be interesting that Ryan would jettison a player who was not only supposedly a "Gardy guy" but a guy who wasn't performing all that poorly this year. Maybe it's a sign that Gardy doesn't have quite the say in personnel decisions that he used to. Who knows?
I had actually wondered about a trade being a possibility, but the reason I didn't list that as an option was because I honestly didn't think they would get a major league player in return who could fill an immediate role. Given his injury history, I'm not expecting much from this new guy (the scuttlebutt on some of the Seattle fan pages is that his velocity is down considerably since his last injury), but I am somewhat surprised that they actually got a roster player in exchange for Morales.
TwinsFaninVT wrote: Interesting. Who knows, insagt? Maybe the short term intention of this move was to give a boost to Rochester's beleaguered bullpen?
Hard to say. Maybe?? As for Guerrier being angry that the trainer and manager came out....sorry, a guy is having an awful time out there so its possible that there was something wrong. At that point, Guerrier should have swallowed his ego and viewed it more as concern. Always two sides, but if Guerriers quote is accurate, I think he was out of line. I hate defending Gardy. I want him gone. But based solely on what we have read, I can't pin this one on him totally.