Yankees vs. Mets: Relief Pitching Prospects

Comparing what the Yankees and Mets have at each position in the minor leagues, we take a look at the crop of relief pitching prospects in each system. Which system is deeper? Which prospects have the best fastballs? The highest ceilings? Take a look at this comparison between the two New York farm systems.

First Things First: In the long run, a few of the Yankees' and Mets' current starting pitching prospects will eventually find their way into Major League bullpens, at least, to get their foot in the door initially. Let's not forget that even Mariano Rivera, a sure-fire Hall of Fame closer, came up through the minor league ranks as a starting pitcher. But for the purposes of this article, we'll focus just on the relief pitching prospects who are relievers at the minor league level.

The Two Farm Systems: The Mets have taken a hit at their depth at the relievers position this offseason, especially in the power department, losing both Matthew Lindstrom and Henry Owens in a deal with the Florida Marlins. Both relievers could reach triple-digits on the radar gun with their fastballs and each have an above average to plus secondary pitch as well.

The loss of Lindstrom and Owens have left the Mets with just three relievers who can hit the mid-90's with their fastballs consistently: 19-year-old John Holdzkom, 26-year old Marcelo Perez, and 25-year old Shane Hawk.

Conversely the Yankees can stroll out as many as seven relievers who have the ability to hit anywhere from 94-98 MPH: Ferdin Tejeda, Jeff Kennard, T.J. Beam, Kevin Whelan, Mark Melancon, Jesse Hoover, and Anthony Claggett.

Both the Mets and Yankees have top-notch reliever who haven't thrown a pitch in a game over the last two seasons. LHP Shane Hawk is working his way back from two tears in his labrum and another in his rotator cuff. When healthy, Hawk is armed with a plus-plus slider, a quality big league fastball that sits 91-94 MPH, and an above average changeup.

RHP Jesse Hoover has also missed the last two seasons but he has suffered from an ailing back. He has avoided back surgery and he too is set to return to the mound in 2007. He is a fire-baller when healthy, lighting the guns with 93-95 MPH fastballs and topping out at 97 MPH, and he compliments his repertoire with a very good curveball and a developing changeup.

The two farm systems also have their fair share of 'funk'. Right-handed pitchers Joe Smith and Brandon Nall give the Mets two unique arm slots.

Smith, a third round pick in 2006, throws in between a side-armer and a sub-mariner and as a result, gets excellent movement on his pitches. He only averages 86-91 MPH with his fastball but his slider is devastating to right-handed batters.

Like Smith, Nall is nearly unhittable against righties. He averages 89-90 MPH and has developed a changeup to help neutralize left-handed batters.

The Yankees have their own hurlers with flair. Both Cory Stuart and Josh Schmidt throw side-arm with plus sliders, but neither throws hard enough at their current arm slot and the Yankees are considering dropping both of their arm angles lower in 2007.

Where the two organizations differ however is in converting failed position prospects into solid pitchers. The Yankees have had some success in that regard, converting outfielder Michael Dunn, shortstop Ferdin Tejeda, and most recently, outfielder Wilkins De La Rosa to the mound.

Dunn, a lefty, has shown incredible poise and command in the early going. He sits 90-93 MPH with his fastball and throws a slurvy curveball and a developing changeup.

Tejeda sat 95-97 MPH with his fastball before Tommy John surgery a year ago and he's close to rediscovering his velocity. He compliments his plus fastball with a plus changeup and a plus slider, giving him a lot of weapons out of the bullpen.

De La Rosa, once a superb outfielder with one of the best outfield arms in minor league baseball, just moved to the mound in November and he's already sitting 94 MPH with his fastball and topping out at 97 MPH - as a lefty! Until he gets a little more experience however, we'll leave him off the rankings below.

Both the Mets and Yankees also have a couple of question marks. The Yankees' Mark Melancon, a projected first round draft pick in 2006, had Tommy John surgery this offseason and will most likely miss the entire 2007 season. German Marte of the Mets, who once sat comfortably in the 92-93 MPH range, has seen his fastball dip all the way down to the 86-88 MPH range and they're hoping he can rediscover his lost velocity.

How Do They Compare In...

Fastballs: The loss of Matt Lindstrom and Henry Owens in the trade to the Marlins, as well as the releases of Jeremy Hill and Kole Strayhorn earlier the year, have left the Mets devoid of power arms in the bullpen. Only Holdzkom possesses a plus fastball who is younger than 25. Drafted in the fourth round of the 2006 MLB Draft. At 6-foot-8, the 19-year-old is a behommoth of a man and has the ability to sit 94-95 with his fastball and hit the high-90's at times, but hasn't show that kind of velocity in the pros yet. While both his slider and changeups are a work in progress, the GCL Mets' closer has some time to work on his arsenal.

Marcelo Perez sits 91-95 with his fastball, but considering the fact he is 26 and hasn't reached Double-A yet, his prospect status is somewhat fading. And Hawk, who throws a plus fastball for a lefty in the 91-94 MPH range, hasn't pitched since 2004.

Combining the two farm systems, the Yankees have the top four fastballs out of the bullpen. Tejeda sits consistently in the mid-90's as does Hoover (93-95), Whelan (93-95), and Kennard (92-95), and each can reach the upper-90's with regularity.

Throw in the fact the Yankees also have T.J. Beam (91-94), Mark Melancon (91-94), David Robertson (91-93) and Anthony Claggett (91-93), who can hit 97, 96, 96, and 94 respectively, and the likes of LHP Michael Dunn (90-93), Nick Peteron (90-93 MPH), and J. Brent Cox (88-92) with his sinking two-seamers, the Yankees have a lot of power arms. Advantage: Yankees

Secondary Pitches: LHP Shane Hawk of the Mets and RHP Ferdin Tejeda of the Yankees have the most complete repertoires of any of the relief pitching prospects between the Mets and Yankees. Both have a plus fastball, plus slider, and plus changeup.

Both farm systems have a plethora of sliders. Hawk has the best one among all the relievers, but T.J. Beam's is a close second. The funky sliders of Brandon Nall and Joe Smith offset the ones hurled by Cory Stuart and Josh Schmidt of the Yankees, but Ferdin Tejeda's plus slider gives the Yankees a slight edge.

Robert Paulk of the Mets has had the best curveball among the relievers each of the last two seasons until the Yankees nabbed Melancon in the draft last June. Melancon's curveball has bee compared to that of Frankie Rodriguez of the Angels and it is the ideal knee-bender.

R.J. Swindle of the Yankees has one of the slowest but most effective curveballs around. It sits in the 54-58 MPH (that's not a misprint) it loops over the plate and handcuffs batters. Jesse Hoover's curve negates the one of the Mets' Blake McGinley, giving the Yankees another edge.

The Yankees also have more quality changeups among their relief pitching prospects. Ferdin Tejeda has a plus-plus changeup and considering he is the hardest thrower from either farm system, it makes it even more special. Blake McGinley and Shane Hawk of the Mets each have very good changeups, and while they're not on par with Tejeda's, rank right up there with the plus changeups thrown by the Yankees' Mike Martinez and J. Brent Cox.

The Yankees simply have more quality sliders, changeups, and curveballs out of the bullpen, but the gap isn't as wide as it is with the fastballs. Advantage: Yankees

Overall Potential: The Mets really only have one relief pitching prospect with closer-type stuff in John Holdzkom. But even he has enough question marks, not to mention a long way to go in his development, to safely project as one.

The Yankees have a number of relievers with closer-type stuff: Mark Melancon, Kevin Whelan, Ferdin Tejeda, and Jesse Hoover. Throw in the fact both T.J. Beam and Jeff Kennard have borderline closer stuff who project better as quality setup men, the Mets simply don't have enough depth to compete. Advantage: Yankees.

Highest Ceilings: Mark Melancon (Yankees), Kevin Whelan (Yankees), Ferdin Tejeda (Yankees), Shane Hawk (Mets), Jesse Hoover (Yankees).

Best Fastballs: Ferdin Tejeda (Yankees), Jesse Hoover (Yankees), Kevin Whelan (Yankees), Jeff Kennard (Yankees), John Holdzkom (Mets)

Best Curveballs: Mark Melancon (Yankees), Robert Paulk (Mets), R.J. Swindle (Yankees), Jesse Hoover (Yankees), Blake McGinley (Mets)

Best Changeups: Ferdin Tejeda (Yankees), Blake McGinley (Mets), Shane Hawk (Mets), Mike Martinez (Yankees), J. Brent Cox (Yankees)

Best Sliders: Shane Hawk (Mets), T.J. Beam (Yankees), Joe Smith (Mets), Ferdin Tejeda(Yankees), J. Brent Cox (Yankees).

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\r\n \r\n\r\nFirst Things First: In the long run, a few of the Yankees' and Mets' current starting pitching prospects will eventually find their way into Major League bullpens, at least, to get their foot in the door initially. Let's not forget that even Mariano Rivera, a sure-fire Hall of Fame closer, came up through the minor league ranks as a starting pitcher. But for the purposes of this article, we'll focus just on the relief pitching prospects who are relievers at the minor league level.
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\r\nThe Two Farm Systems: The Mets have taken a hit at their depth at the relievers position this offseason, especially in the power department, losing both Matthew Lindstrom and Henry Owens in a deal with the Florida Marlins. Both relievers could reach triple-digits on the radar gun with their fastballs and each have an above average to plus secondary pitch as well.
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\r\nThe loss of Lindstrom and Owens have left the Mets with just three relievers who can hit the mid-90's with their fastballs consistently: 19-year-old John Holdzkom, 26-year old Marcelo Perez, and 25-year old Shane Hawk.
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\r\nConversely the Yankees can stroll out as many as seven relievers who have the ability to hit anywhere from 94-98 MPH: Ferdin Tejeda, Jeff Kennard, T.J. Beam, Kevin Whelan, Mark Melancon, Jesse Hoover, and Anthony Claggett.
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\r\nBoth the Mets and Yankees have top-notch reliever who haven't thrown a pitch in a game over the last two seasons. LHP Shane Hawk is working his way back from two tears in his labrum and another in his rotator cuff. When healthy, Hawk is armed with a plus-plus slider, a quality big league fastball that sits 91-94 MPH, and an above average changeup.
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\r\nRHP Jesse Hoover has also missed the last two seasons but he has suffered from an ailing back. He has avoided back surgery and he too is set to return to the mound in 2007. He is a fire-baller when healthy, lighting the guns with 93-95 MPH fastballs and topping out at 97 MPH, and he compliments his repertoire with a very good curveball and a developing changeup.
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\r\nThe two farm systems also have their fair share of 'funk'. Right-handed pitchers Joe Smith and Brandon Nall give the Mets two unique arm slots.
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\r\nSmith, a third round pick in 2006, throws in between a side-armer and a sub-mariner and as a result, gets excellent movement on his pitches. He only averages 86-91 MPH with his fastball but his slider is devastating to right-handed batters.
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\r\nLike Smith, Nall is nearly unhittable against righties. He averages 89-90 MPH and has developed a changeup to help neutralize left-handed batters.
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\r\nThe Yankees have their own hurlers with flair. Both Cory Stuart and Josh Schmidt throw side-arm with plus sliders, but neither throws hard enough at their current arm slot and the Yankees are considering dropping both of their arm angles lower in 2007.
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\r\nWhere the two organizations differ however is in converting failed position prospects into solid pitchers. The Yankees have had some success in that regard, converting outfielder Michael Dunn, shortstop Ferdin Tejeda, and most recently, outfielder Wilkins De La Rosa to the mound.
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\r\nDunn, a lefty, has shown incredible poise and command in the early going. He sits 90-93 MPH with his fastball and throws a slurvy curveball and a developing changeup.
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\r\nTejeda sat 95-97 MPH with his fastball before Tommy John surgery a year ago and he's close to rediscovering his velocity. He compliments his plus fastball with a plus changeup and a plus slider, giving him a lot of weapons out of the bullpen.
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\r\nDe La Rosa, once a superb outfielder with one of the best outfield arms in minor league baseball, just moved to the mound in November and he's already sitting 94 MPH with his fastball and topping out at 97 MPH - as a lefty! Until he gets a little more experience however, we'll leave him off the rankings below.
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\r\nBoth the Mets and Yankees also have a couple of question marks. The Yankees' Mark Melancon, a projected first round draft pick in 2006, had Tommy John surgery this offseason and will most likely miss the entire 2007 season. German Marte of the Mets, who once sat comfortably in the 92-93 MPH range, has seen his fastball dip all the way down to the 86-88 MPH range and they're hoping he can rediscover his lost velocity.
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\r\nHow Do They Compare In...
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\r\nFastballs: The loss of Matt Lindstrom and Henry Owens in the trade to the Marlins, as well as the releases of Jeremy Hill and Kole Strayhorn earlier the year, have left the Mets devoid of power arms in the bullpen. Only Holdzkom possesses a plus fastball who is younger than 25. Drafted in the fourth round of the 2006 MLB Draft. At 6-foot-8, the 19-year-old is a behommoth of a man and has the ability to sit 94-95 with his fastball and hit the high-90's at times, but hasn't show that kind of velocity in the pros yet. While both his slider and changeups are a work in progress, the GCL Mets' closer has some time to work on his arsenal.
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\r\nMarcelo Perez sits 91-95 with his fastball, but considering the fact he is 26 and hasn't reached Double-A yet, his prospect status is somewhat fading. And Hawk, who throws a plus fastball for a lefty in the 91-94 MPH range, hasn't pitched since 2004.
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\r\nCombining the two farm systems, the Yankees have the top four fastballs out of the bullpen. Tejeda sits consistently in the mid-90's as does Hoover (93-95), Whelan (93-95), and Kennard (92-95), and each can reach the upper-90's with regularity.
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\r\nThrow in the fact the Yankees also have T.J. Beam (91-94), Mark Melancon (91-94), David Robertson (91-93) and Anthony Claggett (91-93), who can hit 97, 96, 96, and 94 respectively, and the likes of LHP Michael Dunn (90-93), Nick Peteron (90-93 MPH), and J. Brent Cox (88-92) with his sinking two-seamers, the Yankees have a lot of power arms. Advantage: Yankees
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\r\nSecondary Pitches: LHP Shane Hawk of the Mets and RHP Ferdin Tejeda of the Yankees have the most complete repertoires of any of the relief pitching prospects between the Mets and Yankees. Both have a plus fastball, plus slider, and plus changeup.
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\r\nBoth farm systems have a plethora of sliders. Hawk has the best one among all the relievers, but T.J. Beam's is a close second. The funky sliders of Brandon Nall and Joe Smith offset the ones hurled by Cory Stuart and Josh Schmidt of the Yankees, but Ferdin Tejeda's plus slider gives the Yankees a slight edge.
\r\n
\r\nRobert Paulk of the Mets has had the best curveball among the relievers each of the last two seasons until the Yankees nabbed Melancon in the draft last June. Melancon's curveball has bee compared to that of Frankie Rodriguez of the Angels and it is the ideal knee-bender.
\r\n
\r\nR.J. Swindle of the Yankees has one of the slowest but most effective curveballs around. It sits in the 54-58 MPH (that's not a misprint) it loops over the plate and handcuffs batters. Jesse Hoover's curve negates the one of the Mets' Blake McGinley, giving the Yankees another edge.
\r\n
\r\nThe Yankees also have more quality changeups among their relief pitching prospects. Ferdin Tejeda has a plus-plus changeup and considering he is the hardest thrower from either farm system, it makes it even more special. Blake McGinley and Shane Hawk of the Mets each have very good changeups, and while they're not on par with Tejeda's, rank right up there with the plus changeups thrown by the Yankees' Mike Martinez and J. Brent Cox.
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\r\nThe Yankees simply have more quality sliders, changeups, and curveballs out of the bullpen, but the gap isn't as wide as it is with the fastballs. Advantage: Yankees
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\r\nOverall Potential: The Mets really only have one relief pitching prospect with closer-type stuff in John Holdzkom. But even he has enough question marks, not to mention a long way to go in his development, to safely project as one.
\r\n
\r\nThe Yankees have a number of relievers with closer-type stuff: Mark Melancon, Kevin Whelan, Ferdin Tejeda, and Jesse Hoover. Throw in the fact both T.J. Beam and Jeff Kennard have borderline closer stuff who project better as quality setup men, the Mets simply don't have enough depth to compete. Advantage: Yankees.
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\r\nHighest Ceilings: Mark Melancon (Yankees), Kevin Whelan (Yankees), Ferdin Tejeda (Yankees), Shane Hawk (Mets), Jesse Hoover (Yankees).
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\r\nBest Fastballs: Ferdin Tejeda (Yankees), Jesse Hoover (Yankees), Kevin Whelan (Yankees), Jeff Kennard (Yankees), John Holdzkom (Mets)
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\r\nBest Curveballs: Mark Melancon (Yankees), Robert Paulk (Mets), R.J. Swindle (Yankees), Jesse Hoover (Yankees), Blake McGinley (Mets)
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\r\nBest Changeups: Ferdin Tejeda (Yankees), Blake McGinley (Mets), Shane Hawk (Mets), Mike Martinez (Yankees), J. Brent Cox (Yankees)
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\r\nBest Sliders: Shane Hawk (Mets), T.J. Beam (Yankees), Joe Smith (Mets), Ferdin Tejeda(Yankees), J. Brent Cox (Yankees).
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