Q&A with Nardi Contreras - Part I

Nardi Contreras, the Yankees Minor League Pitching Coordinator, sits down with PinstripesPlus.com for a long Q&A session. In Part One of our multi-part series, Nardi talks about what role he sees Joba Chamberlain in next season, what he's seen from the development of Joba's curveball and changeup, what was off with Phil Hughes earlier, if he expected Ian Kennedy to move so quickly, and more.

PinstripesPlus.com: Let's talk about some of the big league guys first. Going back to a couple of months ago, what was the thought process behind putting Joba Chamberlain in the bullpen?

Nardi Contreras: It was because of innings. He had eighty-something innings and we wanted to keep him around one-hundred, one-hundred twenty, somewhere around there. Instead of cutting him off short in the last month and a half or so, we had a need in the big leagues and we could put him in the bullpen. [The thought was] we'd try and take care of him that way, pitch him with rest, and that's what we've done. He's so important for our club in the major leagues.

PinstripesPlus: He obviously is important to the big league club, but is the plan to still have him be a starter next season?

Contreras: Yes, unless Mo [Mariano Rivera] decides to take off or if we don't have a closer. That's out of my control, that's whatever Cash [Brian Cashman] wants to do. I see him as one of our starters next year. If you want to look at the rotation - Wang, Ian [Kennedy], Phil [Hughes], and Joba - that's four right there, and then whoever we have for the fifth spot. Those are four of the starters I see for next year up in New York.

PinstripesPlus: Well you've worked so hard to keep Joba around that 100-120 inning limit this year. The jump to 180-200 innings next year would be pretty huge. How do you plan on, in the spirit of protecting his arm, limiting his innings next season?

Contreras: Well if you're the #5 starter, and that's probably how we'll figure him in, as a #5 starter, you skip him on those days off and push him back, so that #5 starter usually ends with 140-160 innings. It's according to how all of those days off happen. Again, that's next year and when next year comes we'll worry about that. We'll see how that ends, but to go from 115 to 200 innings [with Joba], I don't see that happening, but again, that's only me talking.

PinstripesPlus: Obviously being in the bullpen has limited his opportunities to continue working on his curveball and changeup as much. What have you seen from him with those two pitches development-wise this year?

Contreras: Well the first part of his development was his delivery and his mechanics. He's done really well with that obviously. He's able to control his pitches. The curveball is very good. There's a couple games in the big leagues where he did not have his slider and he went to the curveball. I remember two curveballs where he struck out a left-hander and a right-hander. He struck out Pedroia, it just froze him. And the second and he struck out J.D. Drew on a back-door curveball, just froze him. He does have that weapon. It's been there, it's developed. He can throw that curveball, it's just when you're in a short area of relief like he has been doing, and as he's become very important late in the game for our club, he's going to the slider and fastball, those are his two best pitches.

Earlier when he was pitching in the sixth or seventh inning [in the minor leagues], he'd mix in a curveball, he'd mix in a changeup, now he goes with his slider. But he can go to the curveball. It is an out-pitch. He's got a power curveball. It is awesome, so he can throw that power curveball. The changeup has taken a step back. He will - Dave Eiland is up there and he does work on it in his side days, so he's not going to lose it completely. He won't throw it in the game but he'll use it in the bullpen sessions.

Next year when he comes to Spring Training, even prior to Spring Training because he'll be here [at the minor league complex] in January or whatever, we'll continue to work on his changeup. That way once he gets to major league camp, that changeup is somewhere close. Then he'll have another six weeks in major league camp to throw his changeup. I'm not so sure he's going to have to worry about making the team next year. I think the priority is just going to be getting his changeup going because he'll need it during the season as a starter.

PinstripesPlus: How close is his changeup being to big league ready?

Contreras: I couldn't tell you because I last saw it when he was starting in Triple-A ball. He threw the ball over well. He got an out on one of the changeups I saw him throw. It's close, but now that he's being used in this role as a reliever, I'm pretty sure it's taken a step backwards because he's not using it in the game ten or twelve times. His side days are not 35-40 pitches, it's probably a 15-pitch workday, making sure he's ready for his next outing out of the bullpen in New York.

PinstripesPlus: One of the story lines this year has been Phil Hughes and not showing the same type of stuff he had prior to this season. What's the reason in your opinion? Is it because of the leg injuries he had earlier in the year?

Contreras: I believe there's been a couple of things. It's probably a byproduct of the injuries. He had to start off brand new in-season as if it were Spring Training. That's part of it. The other part of it is being off that time, his delivery is not completely right. When he gets his delivery correct, with the arm strength that he's developing while he's pitching, the velocity should come back. I'm going to say should. I'm not there to see it, but Dave Eiland is there and we're still working on his delivery. He's still rushing out and moving forward a little too quick.

PinstripesPlus: I realize he went up perhaps a little bit earlier than the Yankees would have liked, but talk about the development of his secondary pitches. Are you happy with the progress he's shown with his secondary pitches?

Contreras: The curveball he's obviously using a lot more than his changeup. I'd like for him to use his changeup more. There's always somebody there telling him to use his changeup. The catcher calls it and you've got a young pitcher - he's probably using his slider more than his changeup. The curveball is still being developed. It's still being used to go along with his fastball. The changeup, if the fans are watching the game, he's not using his changeup as often as he should. Like his last start in Texas before he went out with the hamstring, he threw three straight changeups to Teixeira - boom, boom, boom, three strikes in a row. He threw a bunch of changeups there and he had a lot of success. He's not throwing that many changeups right now because of the time off most likely, making sure his #1 [fastball] and #2 [curveball] are working for him.

PinstripesPlus: Joba and Phil have grabbed a lot of the ink this year in regards to pitchers from the farm system, but Ian Kennedy has had a great year as well and he arguably might be the most polished of the three. Did you expect Kennedy to move this quickly this year?

Contreras: The best start I've seen this year from our starters was Ian Kennedy's when he was in Tampa. He could have pitched in the big leagues that night. He's come really, really quickly with his delivery. He made some changes and kept the changes going through Hawaii [last year], and then in Spring Training, and then in Tampa, an so on. Once it all started flowing he started taking off. He got the command he needed, his velocity popped up, he's learned to sink the ball now prior to going to the big leagues. So now he's got the four-seam fastball - he used to be just a four-seam fastball guy - and he's got the two-seamer. The slider is there, the curveball is working, and he always had the power changeup. He's got that power changeup that he'll throw at any time. He's got tremendous poise, he pitches inside, and he's put himself on the map quickly at the major league level.

PinstripesPlus: So is it safe to say those three - Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy - will be a part of the Yankees' rotation next year?

Contreras: It is for me, but that's just me. I see it happening but that's not my call. The other part is you never know with trades and all the other things that can happen. I would say those three with Wang is four starters that we have that have come up through the organization and can pitch in the big leagues. They've had their little chances here - not Joba as a starter, but what he has shown as a reliever, I don't know why that would change as a starter. That's just me saying what I see, but I don't make that call.

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\r\nNardi Contreras: It was because of innings. He had eighty-something innings and we wanted to keep him around one-hundred, one-hundred twenty, somewhere around there. Instead of cutting him off short in the last month and a half or so, we had a need in the big leagues and we could put him in the bullpen. [The thought was] we'd try and take care of him that way, pitch him with rest, and that's what we've done. He's so important for our club in the major leagues.
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\r\nPinstripesPlus: He obviously is important to the big league club, but is the plan to still have him be a starter next season?
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\r\nContreras: Yes, unless Mo [Mariano Rivera] decides to take off or if we don't have a closer. That's out of my control, that's whatever Cash [Brian Cashman] wants to do. I see him as one of our starters next year. If you want to look at the rotation - Wang, Ian [Kennedy], Phil [Hughes], and Joba - that's four right there, and then whoever we have for the fifth spot. Those are four of the starters I see for next year up in New York.
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\r\nPinstripesPlus: Well you've worked so hard to keep Joba around that 100-120 inning limit this year. The jump to 180-200 innings next year would be pretty huge. How do you plan on, in the spirit of protecting his arm, limiting his innings next season?
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\r\nContreras: Well if you're the #5 starter, and that's probably how we'll figure him in, as a #5 starter, you skip him on those days off and push him back, so that #5 starter usually ends with 140-160 innings. It's according to how all of those days off happen. Again, that's next year and when next year comes we'll worry about that. We'll see how that ends, but to go from 115 to 200 innings [with Joba], I don't see that happening, but again, that's only me talking.
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\r\nPinstripesPlus: Obviously being in the bullpen has limited his opportunities to continue working on his curveball and changeup as much. What have you seen from him with those two pitches development-wise this year?
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\r\nContreras: Well the first part of his development was his delivery and his mechanics. He's done really well with that obviously. He's able to control his pitches. The curveball is very good. There's a couple games in the big leagues where he did not have his slider and he went to the curveball. I remember two curveballs where he struck out a left-hander and a right-hander. He struck out Pedroia, it just froze him. And the second and he struck out J.D. Drew on a back-door curveball, just froze him. He does have that weapon. It's been there, it's developed. He can throw that curveball, it's just when you're in a short area of relief like he has been doing, and as he's become very important late in the game for our club, he's going to the slider and fastball, those are his two best pitches.
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\r\nEarlier when he was pitching in the sixth or seventh inning [in the minor leagues], he'd mix in a curveball, he'd mix in a changeup, now he goes with his slider. But he can go to the curveball. It is an out-pitch. He's got a power curveball. It is awesome, so he can throw that power curveball. The changeup has taken a step back. He will - Dave Eiland is up there and he does work on it in his side days, so he's not going to lose it completely. He won't throw it in the game but he'll use it in the bullpen sessions.
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\r\nNext year when he comes to Spring Training, even prior to Spring Training because he'll be here [at the minor league complex] in January or whatever, we'll continue to work on his changeup. That way once he gets to major league camp, that changeup is somewhere close. Then he'll have another six weeks in major league camp to throw his changeup. I'm not so sure he's going to have to worry about making the team next year. I think the priority is just going to be getting his changeup going because he'll need it during the season as a starter.
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\r\nPinstripesPlus: How close is his changeup being to big league ready?
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\r\nContreras: I couldn't tell you because I last saw it when he was starting in Triple-A ball. He threw the ball over well. He got an out on one of the changeups I saw him throw. It's close, but now that he's being used in this role as a reliever, I'm pretty sure it's taken a step backwards because he's not using it in the game ten or twelve times. His side days are not 35-40 pitches, it's probably a 15-pitch workday, making sure he's ready for his next outing out of the bullpen in New York.
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\r\nPinstripesPlus: One of the story lines this year has been Phil Hughes and not showing the same type of stuff he had prior to this season. What's the reason in your opinion? Is it because of the leg injuries he had earlier in the year?
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\r\nContreras: I believe there's been a couple of things. It's probably a byproduct of the injuries. He had to start off brand new in-season as if it were Spring Training. That's part of it. The other part of it is being off that time, his delivery is not completely right. When he gets his delivery correct, with the arm strength that he's developing while he's pitching, the velocity should come back. I'm going to say should. I'm not there to see it, but Dave Eiland is there and we're still working on his delivery. He's still rushing out and moving forward a little too quick.
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\r\nPinstripesPlus: I realize he went up perhaps a little bit earlier than the Yankees would have liked, but talk about the development of his secondary pitches. Are you happy with the progress he's shown with his secondary pitches?
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\r\nContreras: The curveball he's obviously using a lot more than his changeup. I'd like for him to use his changeup more. There's always somebody there telling him to use his changeup. The catcher calls it and you've got a young pitcher - he's probably using his slider more than his changeup. The curveball is still being developed. It's still being used to go along with his fastball. The changeup, if the fans are watching the game, he's not using his changeup as often as he should. Like his last start in Texas before he went out with the hamstring, he threw three straight changeups to Teixeira - boom, boom, boom, three strikes in a row. He threw a bunch of changeups there and he had a lot of success. He's not throwing that many changeups right now because of the time off most likely, making sure his #1 [fastball] and #2 [curveball] are working for him.
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\r\nPinstripesPlus: Joba and Phil have grabbed a lot of the ink this year in regards to pitchers from the farm system, but Ian Kennedy has had a great year as well and he arguably might be the most polished of the three. Did you expect Kennedy to move this quickly this year?
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\r\nContreras: The best start I've seen this year from our starters was Ian Kennedy's when he was in Tampa. He could have pitched in the big leagues that night. He's come really, really quickly with his delivery. He made some changes and kept the changes going through Hawaii [last year], and then in Spring Training, and then in Tampa, an so on. Once it all started flowing he started taking off. He got the command he needed, his velocity popped up, he's learned to sink the ball now prior to going to the big leagues. So now he's got the four-seam fastball - he used to be just a four-seam fastball guy - and he's got the two-seamer. The slider is there, the curveball is working, and he always had the power changeup. He's got that power changeup that he'll throw at any time. He's got tremendous poise, he pitches inside, and he's put himself on the map quickly at the major league level.
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\r\nPinstripesPlus: So is it safe to say those three - Joba, Hughes, and Kennedy - will be a part of the Yankees' rotation next year?
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\r\nContreras: It is for me, but that's just me. I see it happening but that's not my call. The other part is you never know with trades and all the other things that can happen. I would say those three with Wang is four starters that we have that have come up through the organization and can pitch in the big leagues. They've had their little chances here - not Joba as a starter, but what he has shown as a reliever, I don't know why that would change as a starter. That's just me saying what I see, but I don't make that call.
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