Q&A with Nardi Contreras - Part IV

Nardi Contreras, the Yankees Minor League Pitching Coordinator, sits down with PinstripesPlus.com for a long Q&A session. In Part four of our multi-part series, Nardi tells us what Jairo Heredia needs to work on, if it's tough for Dellin Betances to stay on top of his mechanics, what happened to Zach McAllister down the stretch, if Ryan Pope can skip a minor league level, and more.

PinstripesPlus: Jody Reed has been quoted as saying that Jairo Heredia reminds him of a young Pedro Martinez. With that comes a lot of expectations. What did you see from him this year and what does he have to work on to improve his game even more?

Contreras: He's just got to continue to pitch, that's all. He's 17-years old. He grabbed his delivery quickly. He's got a big league curveball and he grabbed the changeup quickly. The development is there. He's a strike machine. He throws strikes, he throws pitches down in the strike zone on a consistent basis. The power is not there right now, he's still around the average [velocity], but he's 17-years old. The two offspeed pitches are there, the delivery is there, the mechanics are there, and the strikes are there, so now he's just going to pitch. We'll just continue to work on his delivery, work on his pitches, and time will tell.

PinstripesPlus: How would you compare him with Ivan Nova?

Contreras: Ivan Nova is 20-years old. I saw Nova when he was 17-years old and he was at a lower velocity. When I joined the organization in 2004, Ivan Nova wasn't on the map at that age. He was there [in the Dominican Republic] at 17-years old, Heredia was here [in the United States]. Can you compare that? No I don't think so.

They're going to get better food, better conditioning, better teaching - everything is done better here compared to there because of what we have here compared to the Dominican Republic. I think the movement is going to be here.

I'll just throw a name out there, [Jacinto] Gonell. I don't know, he's 22 or 23-years old, something like that, and it took him a few years before he was on the map. He started off in Extended [Spring Training] and all of the sudden we put him on the team in Tampa and he pitched well in Staten Island. He can move real quick because the velocity is there with his fastball and he's learned the slider and the changeup and he's throwing strikes.

What Heredia is getting here prior to Nova getting here is better and [there's a chance Heredia could accelerate at a quicker rate than Nova].

PinstripesPlus: Talk about Francisco Gil a little bit. I know he was injured for a while, but were you able to see any of him and if so, what can you tell us about him?

Contreras: You know he just didn't do much this year. He was down. He was injured at the beginning, then he started pitching, then he twisted his knee or something like that, so he was down again. He's got a very good fastball for his age. He can spin the ball and he's got a changeup, but his delivery wasn't as good as, let's say Heredia's.

By the end of the summer though, he wasn't able to pitch in games but he was able to work on the mound on the side, he is now developing his delivery and it's starting to look like something we really like where he's going to use his height and his power to his advantage, and use his curveball and his changeup downhill, and pitch his fastball down to location. Everything I've seen out of Francisco Gil so far has been very positive.

PinstripesPlus: Dellin Betances had the elbow pain this year and he says it's because his arm slot just drags a bit too low. He's such a tall guy, is it going to be tough for him to get his mechanics where they need to be and more importantly, keep them there?

Contreras: No he's not a high-maintenance delivery guy. There's just a couple of things he needs to do to get better. He tilts his head to the left, he's always pulling out. When you pull out the arm drops. That's where he put a little strain on his shoulder at the beginning so we shut him down real quick so there's never that problem. Even though we shut him down, we still did our dry-sides [without throwing a ball].

It's like these guys that have all had surgeries. They're on the mound. They might not be pitching a year from now, but they're on the mound and learning some delivery points right now. They're not using their arm, but they're getting to the balance point, learning their separation and their direction. Dellin was still working on his delivery. It's all about the delivery.

If the delivery gets good to the point where he's going to be consistent - it's not so important about getting the innings right now as it is to make sure the delivery is good so he has a good career and a very long career because he's got arm strength, he's got that curveball, and his changeup is getting close. He can throw his changeup for a strike. Will he throw six or seven times out of ten right now? No. But if he throws three or four, that's a lot better than guys who are learning at zero-one. Dellin is coming along okay, but it's just all delivery work for him.

PinstripesPlus: Zach McAllister had the great first-half this year and then struggled towards the end. Was that a case of him getting tired as the season wore on or was it a case of waning mechanics?

Contreras: McAllister has a solid delivery. When that season started, McAllister was commanding his fastball far-side and arm-side. But 'Mac' still did not have his changeup and his slider - because we put his curveball away and gave him the slider, the curveball just didn't come as quickly as I would have liked. His slider was being thrown by him like he did when he first signed with us, more of a side-side slider and that's not a quality slider. He's still developing his slider and the same thing with his changeup. Even though he has the slot with his fastball, he still didn't have the slot with his changeup or slider.

So when the season started he had a fresh arm and he was locating and commanding that fastball on both sides of the plate, and just showing the slider and the changeup because it wasn't really quality. As the season progressed and the hitters got a little better, and his command was maybe not as good with his fastball but still throwing strikes, and with a little less velocity because his arm got a little tired, and the slider and the changeup were still not there - now he was a fastball pitcher with an occasional changeup and an occasional breaking ball with less velocity, the hitters showed him you better develop those secondary pitches because you're just not going to get hitters out with just a fastball.

This is where he's at. He's got to continue developing the slider and continue to develop the changeup with the same arm slot as his fastball.

PinstripesPlus: Manny Barreda kind of gets lost in the shuffle of pitching prospects it seems. Some might overlook him because of his size but he seems to have good stuff and it looked like he was grasping the changeup this year. What have you seen from Barreda so far?

Contreras: When Manny first got here, he was like McAllister when he first got here last year - side to side. He was a side-arm type guy. He'd get under a lot of pitches, his breaking ball was slurvy, and his changeup wasn't much where McAllister last year from his side-arm slot had a changeup because everything was turned over. Manny's changeup was not there. He had a slower breaking ball and he was a side-arm type of pitcher.

Manny worked real well with Carlos Chantres getting his arm slot higher, not that he's a three-quarter guy. He's a three-quarter low guy but now he can get the ball downhill and he developed his changeup and breaking ball. By the end of the summer - I think he was our second game starter in the playoffs.

Here's an 18-year old kid who really wasn't that high a draft pick who all of the sudden became a very good starter because he grasped the delivery and the mechanics, and he grasped the changeup and the technique in using it. The slider was still coming along. Manny's fastball, for being a short-stature guy, he has a plus fastball.

He throws it downhill now, he's going to get some sink with it, he's going to get some life to it, with the velocity. Usually smaller stature guys are relievers because of the arm angle compared to a taller kid. He's come along real good too, another good looking 18-year old kid.

PinstripesPlus: Talk about Matt DeSalvo. He really put up some good numbers in Triple-A this year after an awful season last year. What changed?

Contreras: By the time he came back down - he's just a guy that needs to stay on top of his delivery. His 'earny' [ERA] in Triple-A was in the two's somewhere. His walks went down and his hits per inning went down too. Matty just doesn't give in. He'd rather walk someone than give up a hit when he gets behind guys, but he still has major league stuff. He's just a pitcher that needs to be worked with, just about daily, with his delivery. That's how his delivery works.

He just gets out of whack, it could be anywhere. He just needs to stay on top of it. You saw it in his first two big league games, his delivery was there, then he went a while without getting some work and his next outing was not good. From there it was downhill at the major league level, came back down and worked everyday, and then all of the sudden became [good again].

PinstripesPlus: A guy that kind of reminds me of DeSalvo is Adam Olbrychowski in that he's got the good stuff but sometimes seems he's all over the place. What did you see from him?

Contreras: Adam right now just needs to learn our style of delivery and mechanics, that's all. He was having a hard time with our delivery work. He's got a plus arm, he's got some pitches - a changeup - but it's just delivery work for him. He's been doing nothing but dry-work on his delivery now.

PinstripesPlus: A guy who seems to have a good delivery and some stuff to go with it is Ryan Pope. What is going to be the key to his development and could he pull a Kontos and skip a minor league level and start in Tampa next season?

Contreras: Ryan Pope has grabbed our delivery work quickly. We allow him to use all of his pitches but right now he's working on his curveball. He has the chance to throw a real quality curveball. He's got a real good changeup and his delivery has come along real quick, which is why he had so much success. Pope has a good chance to move along real quick.

Kontos has a little more arm strength than Pope does. That doesn't mean he can't pitch in Tampa, but we're going to have to see what we have from our Charleston team and guys that might have to repeat because of all the pitching that we have. I'm sure that's going to be talked about a lot this winter and according to what Mr. Cashman does at the major league level in improving our club at other positions because of the abundance of pitching we do have.

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\r\nContreras: He's just got to continue to pitch, that's all. He's 17-years old. He grabbed his delivery quickly. He's got a big league curveball and he grabbed the changeup quickly. The development is there. He's a strike machine. He throws strikes, he throws pitches down in the strike zone on a consistent basis. The power is not there right now, he's still around the average [velocity], but he's 17-years old. The two offspeed pitches are there, the delivery is there, the mechanics are there, and the strikes are there, so now he's just going to pitch. We'll just continue to work on his delivery, work on his pitches, and time will tell.
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\r\nPinstripesPlus: How would you compare him with Ivan Nova?
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\r\nContreras: Ivan Nova is 20-years old. I saw Nova when he was 17-years old and he was at a lower velocity. When I joined the organization in 2004, Ivan Nova wasn't on the map at that age. He was there [in the Dominican Republic] at 17-years old, Heredia was here [in the United States]. Can you compare that? No I don't think so.
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\r\nThey're going to get better food, better conditioning, better teaching - everything is done better here compared to there because of what we have here compared to the Dominican Republic. I think the movement is going to be here.
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\r\nI'll just throw a name out there, [Jacinto] Gonell. I don't know, he's 22 or 23-years old, something like that, and it took him a few years before he was on the map. He started off in Extended [Spring Training] and all of the sudden we put him on the team in Tampa and he pitched well in Staten Island. He can move real quick because the velocity is there with his fastball and he's learned the slider and the changeup and he's throwing strikes.
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\r\nWhat Heredia is getting here prior to Nova getting here is better and [there's a chance Heredia could accelerate at a quicker rate than Nova].
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\r\nPinstripesPlus: Talk about Francisco Gil a little bit. I know he was injured for a while, but were you able to see any of him and if so, what can you tell us about him?
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\r\nContreras: You know he just didn't do much this year. He was down. He was injured at the beginning, then he started pitching, then he twisted his knee or something like that, so he was down again. He's got a very good fastball for his age. He can spin the ball and he's got a changeup, but his delivery wasn't as good as, let's say Heredia's.
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\r\nBy the end of the summer though, he wasn't able to pitch in games but he was able to work on the mound on the side, he is now developing his delivery and it's starting to look like something we really like where he's going to use his height and his power to his advantage, and use his curveball and his changeup downhill, and pitch his fastball down to location. Everything I've seen out of Francisco Gil so far has been very positive.
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\r\nPinstripesPlus: Dellin Betances had the elbow pain this year and he says it's because his arm slot just drags a bit too low. He's such a tall guy, is it going to be tough for him to get his mechanics where they need to be and more importantly, keep them there?
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\r\nContreras: No he's not a high-maintenance delivery guy. There's just a couple of things he needs to do to get better. He tilts his head to the left, he's always pulling out. When you pull out the arm drops. That's where he put a little strain on his shoulder at the beginning so we shut him down real quick so there's never that problem. Even though we shut him down, we still did our dry-sides [without throwing a ball].
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\r\nIt's like these guys that have all had surgeries. They're on the mound. They might not be pitching a year from now, but they're on the mound and learning some delivery points right now. They're not using their arm, but they're getting to the balance point, learning their separation and their direction. Dellin was still working on his delivery. It's all about the delivery.
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\r\nIf the delivery gets good to the point where he's going to be consistent - it's not so important about getting the innings right now as it is to make sure the delivery is good so he has a good career and a very long career because he's got arm strength, he's got that curveball, and his changeup is getting close. He can throw his changeup for a strike. Will he throw six or seven times out of ten right now? No. But if he throws three or four, that's a lot better than guys who are learning at zero-one. Dellin is coming along okay, but it's just all delivery work for him.
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\r\nPinstripesPlus: Zach McAllister had the great first-half this year and then struggled towards the end. Was that a case of him getting tired as the season wore on or was it a case of waning mechanics?
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\r\nContreras: McAllister has a solid delivery. When that season started, McAllister was commanding his fastball far-side and arm-side. But 'Mac' still did not have his changeup and his slider - because we put his curveball away and gave him the slider, the curveball just didn't come as quickly as I would have liked. His slider was being thrown by him like he did when he first signed with us, more of a side-side slider and that's not a quality slider. He's still developing his slider and the same thing with his changeup. Even though he has the slot with his fastball, he still didn't have the slot with his changeup or slider.
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\r\nSo when the season started he had a fresh arm and he was locating and commanding that fastball on both sides of the plate, and just showing the slider and the changeup because it wasn't really quality. As the season progressed and the hitters got a little better, and his command was maybe not as good with his fastball but still throwing strikes, and with a little less velocity because his arm got a little tired, and the slider and the changeup were still not there - now he was a fastball pitcher with an occasional changeup and an occasional breaking ball with less velocity, the hitters showed him you better develop those secondary pitches because you're just not going to get hitters out with just a fastball.
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\r\nThis is where he's at. He's got to continue developing the slider and continue to develop the changeup with the same arm slot as his fastball.
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\r\nPinstripesPlus: Manny Barreda kind of gets lost in the shuffle of pitching prospects it seems. Some might overlook him because of his size but he seems to have good stuff and it looked like he was grasping the changeup this year. What have you seen from Barreda so far?
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\r\nContreras: When Manny first got here, he was like McAllister when he first got here last year - side to side. He was a side-arm type guy. He'd get under a lot of pitches, his breaking ball was slurvy, and his changeup wasn't much where McAllister last year from his side-arm slot had a changeup because everything was turned over. Manny's changeup was not there. He had a slower breaking ball and he was a side-arm type of pitcher.
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\r\nManny worked real well with Carlos Chantres getting his arm slot higher, not that he's a three-quarter guy. He's a three-quarter low guy but now he can get the ball downhill and he developed his changeup and breaking ball. By the end of the summer - I think he was our second game starter in the playoffs.
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\r\nHere's an 18-year old kid who really wasn't that high a draft pick who all of the sudden became a very good starter because he grasped the delivery and the mechanics, and he grasped the changeup and the technique in using it. The slider was still coming along. Manny's fastball, for being a short-stature guy, he has a plus fastball.
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\r\nHe throws it downhill now, he's going to get some sink with it, he's going to get some life to it, with the velocity. Usually smaller stature guys are relievers because of the arm angle compared to a taller kid. He's come along real good too, another good looking 18-year old kid.
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\r\nPinstripesPlus: Talk about Matt DeSalvo. He really put up some good numbers in Triple-A this year after an awful season last year. What changed?
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\r\nContreras: By the time he came back down - he's just a guy that needs to stay on top of his delivery. His 'earny' [ERA] in Triple-A was in the two's somewhere. His walks went down and his hits per inning went down too. Matty just doesn't give in. He'd rather walk someone than give up a hit when he gets behind guys, but he still has major league stuff. He's just a pitcher that needs to be worked with, just about daily, with his delivery. That's how his delivery works.
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\r\nHe just gets out of whack, it could be anywhere. He just needs to stay on top of it. You saw it in his first two big league games, his delivery was there, then he went a while without getting some work and his next outing was not good. From there it was downhill at the major league level, came back down and worked everyday, and then all of the sudden became [good again].
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\r\nPinstripesPlus: A guy that kind of reminds me of DeSalvo is Adam Olbrychowski in that he's got the good stuff but sometimes seems he's all over the place. What did you see from him?
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\r\nContreras: Adam right now just needs to learn our style of delivery and mechanics, that's all. He was having a hard time with our delivery work. He's got a plus arm, he's got some pitches - a changeup - but it's just delivery work for him. He's been doing nothing but dry-work on his delivery now.
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\r\nPinstripesPlus: A guy who seems to have a good delivery and some stuff to go with it is Ryan Pope. What is going to be the key to his development and could he pull a Kontos and skip a minor league level and start in Tampa next season?
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\r\nContreras: Ryan Pope has grabbed our delivery work quickly. We allow him to use all of his pitches but right now he's working on his curveball. He has the chance to throw a real quality curveball. He's got a real good changeup and his delivery has come along real quick, which is why he had so much success. Pope has a good chance to move along real quick.
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\r\nKontos has a little more arm strength than Pope does. That doesn't mean he can't pitch in Tampa, but we're going to have to see what we have from our Charleston team and guys that might have to repeat because of all the pitching that we have. I'm sure that's going to be talked about a lot this winter and according to what Mr. Cashman does at the major league level in improving our club at other positions because of the abundance of pitching we do have.
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