OBR Daily Blog 11/22

You thought last week stung? Six turnovers and still a big, fat 'L.' Argh.


11/22
10:33 PM

Videocast: Monday’s FSN/OBR Chat: Zac, Lane, and Fred break down Sunday’s loss to Jaguars. http://bit.ly/elCYmF

Transcript: Eric Mangini, 11/22
Barry McBride on November 22nd, 2010 AT 10:00 PM

(Opening statement)- “Good afternoon everybody.  It was obviously a frustrating result for us.  We had a lot of opportunities to change the outcome of the game and we didn’t take advantage of them.  I thought that the defense did a really nice job throughout the course of the game of generating turnovers, a significant amount of turnovers, and five in a row there in the second half.  Abe (Elam) scored on the one turnover and we got the field goal out of another turnover, but there should be more points that come off of those.  In talking to the defense, you get those streaks, but you may have to keep going and answer the bell.  We had two touchdowns there on the last two drives and we have got to be able to come out and continue to answer the bell.  All of the turnovers aside, there’s the next drive that you’ve got to deal with.  We didn’t do as well as we should’ve against Maurice Jones-Drew, in terms of stopping the run. Offensively, something that we talked about all week with the movements and the pressures and the volume of pressures.  If they get going and there is some success there it was going to spike and our ability to run the football and handle their movement and their pressures.  That was going to be a big determining factor as to the outcome of the game.  It’s the same thing in the passing game.  Giving up six sacks, you try to get drives going in the second half and there’s a negative play somewhere within that drive and it usually ends up killing the drive.  On special teams, two out of four on field goals.  I don’t think we punted the ball really well.  I think we need to continue to improve on kickoff return, it’s one part of that each time that’s not giving us the drive start that we should have.  I thought the coverage units overall played well.

“I felt like as the game ebbed and flowed back and forth, the one thing I did like is the guys kept fighting.  I thought offensively, being able to respond after they tied up the game and go down and take the lead was a good thing.  Then again, when they scored, to be in a position that we were to at least take a shot for the end zone late, I thought that showed a lot of resilience as well.  We looked at the tape, focus on the corrections and then we will move on to Carolina.”

(On if Colt McCoy is getting an MRI today)- “Yes, that’s really where we are.  We’ll see on Wednesday, the same thing with Eric (Wright).  Both injuries kind of got a little time going then we’ll see where things are.  I think Ben (Watson) should be okay.  Josh (Cribbs) is making some progress.  Mike Adams is making some progress.  It doesn’t look great for Blake (Costanzo).  I think that’s the group of guys that we have got.”

(On on if he could imagine a plus five turnover differential and losing)- “No, but we lived it.  When you turn the ball over like that and also generate points off of it with the touchdown, I really think Abe did an outstanding job.  He yanked the ball out and then had the awareness of picking it up and realizing it hadn’t been touched.  I thought that was one of the outstanding plays in the game.  The other guy I have to mention is Ahtyba Rubin.  His effort throughout the course of that game from start to finish was just impressive.  I was just watching the tape on the plane ride home and it’s just frustrating and the range of emotions that you go through.  Then you watch a guy like Rubin, and look there were a lot of guys where I was proud of their effort, but it’s just really satisfying to watch him.  I just wanted to mention that.”

(On if he thought they were ‘turning the corner’ and if they still are)- “There are steps Jeff (Schudel), there really are.  You win some games, but winning consistently.  We played a very good Jets team and had chances there, but couldn’t close it out.  Jacksonville is another team that’s a very good team.  An outstanding passer in (David) Garrard and he was second in the NFL yesterday going into the game.  We did a lot of good things against him, but we have got to finish the games.”

(On if he considered letting Jacksonville score late in the game)- “Yes, you know, I did, but we played pretty good goal line defense.  It felt like we had a chance to stop them and force them to kick the field goal.  It really did and that’s how we made the decision that we did.”

(On what the little difference is that is the reason for them losing close games in the fourth quarter)-“It’s really a range of things.  (Against) the Jets, it was the fifth quarter.  We also had different things happen there where we had opportunities and whether it was the turnover or some of the different things that happened in that overtime period.  Different games have been different reasons. One of the really important things is being able to play complementary football in the second half and being able to eat up the clock and sustain drives offensively.  Defensively, if you’ve got them backed up, keep them backed up and not let them get out of that backed up position and dramatically change the field position with a punt.  You go from them being backed up to your squad being backed up and then it just becomes a field position battle.  That’s complementary football. If you stop them backed up and then they have to punt, now you’re working from a position of advantage.  On special teams, it’s the same thing.  Covering the punt better, that last punt against the Jets, that was a big part of it.  It all works together in terms of field position, time of possession, each side being in the best position from a play time percentage to compete at the highest level in the fourth quarter.  It all works together.”

(On if that makes the close losses harder to handle if they are a result of multiple problems)- “I think the one thing is really understanding how to win consistently and to be able to play the same way throughout the course of four quarters.  That’s a big component of it as well.  defensively, you’re having a great second half, but when you come out on the final two drives and you give up two touchdowns, all of that good stuff that happened in the second half, you don’t come away feeling like it was a really great defensive effort.  A screen to Maurice Jones-Drew, he cuts it back, that’s what he does.  We had three guys there with a chance to make the tackle.  One guy tried to strip it because he thought the other guy had him posted up and he’s got a low center of gravity.  That’s who he is, that’s how he runs and we chose wrong and it goes for a long way.”

(On if Jake Delhomme is ready to come back if McCoy cannot play)- “Yes, Jake is back to 100 percent or back to 100 percent as much as anybody could be 100 percent.”

(On if their offense was too conservative after forcing turnovers on defense yesterday)- “I know exactly what you’re saying.  I really believe that we were going to be able to turn the corner in the running game, I really believe that.  I know that Brian (Daboll) believed that and the offensive players believed that and it felt like we had some good answers there.  We didn’t execute very well and our answers weren’t as good as we thought they were.  That’s the frustrating part of it.”

(On if Jacksonville used a strategy similar to what Atlanta did to try and stop their running game)-“It’s different in a sense of the exact defense or the exact approach, but some of the same issues with some of the movements that they did that we didn’t handle very well in that game either.  They don’t go away; it’s just like anything else.  If you don’t do something well, everybody gives it to you.  That’s what you do defensively.  If they don’t do it well, see if they have got the problem fixed.  That’s a problem that has to be fixed.”

(On how much the newness of the offensive line contributed to the difficulty they had in pass protection and run blocking)- “There is definitely something to that.  They weren’t alone by any stretch.  It wasn’t just them it was really across the board; it was the tight ends, the running backs.  When you run the ball well it’s because everybody’s hitting on the same level and when you don’t run the ball well very rarely is it one side or the other.  If it was just one side you would run to the other side and be able to hit there effectively and we had a range of inside, outside, left, right counters.  We went the gamut.”

(On what made him ultimately decide to use the two timeouts on defense)- “Typically, they are scoring situations and if they’re scoring situations or if you have too many guys on the field and it’s going to give them an easy first down conversion when you’ve got third and long or field position is involved then you make those calls, but we shouldn’t do them.  We’ve got to do a better job, that shouldn’t happen.  It just shouldn’t happen.  You need to use those and it happens offensively sometimes when you use one and the next play you get sacked and you think, why? We could have got this with the play we had called before.  We have to do a better job as a coaching staff to make sure that doesn’t happen.  It’s just not good.”

(On looking back would he prefer that Colt McCoy sit out a play after he got injured so he didn’t have to use a timeout)- “I think if you’re injured like if you really are having trouble getting up then you should stay down and let the trainers come out and look at you and even if you have to go out for a play, you have to go out for a play.  Now you’ve got the ball first down on the 18 yard line, you don’t want to be first and 15 at the 23.”

(On why they called the second time out)- “I can’t remember if it was supposed to be a little guy instead of a big guy.  There was a little confusion with the substitution that they had and the match that we had, but it shouldn’t happen.”

(On if he has to decide between Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace)- “What I’d like to do is just wait until Wednesday and see how it does shake out in terms of where he is. That’s really what I like to do and we’ll figure it out at that point.”

(On if Colt McCoy has a high ankle sprain)- “It’s definitely an ankle sprain, yes it is but now it is just how it responds here in the early part.  See whether or not there’s any chance of that.”

(On the two shots going down the middle at the end and if it was Colt McCoy’s decision or if that was all that was there)- “What we had said was we want to take two shots but both of them have to be into the end zone.  He saw Ben (Watson) get over the top of, I think it was a linebacker, and I think he was trying to get a little more air underneath it to let him catch and run.  It just kind of came behind him and was thrown a little bit short.  With the defense they were paying with the split safety defense, that’s the softness of the defense is right down the chute.  I think it was a good decision in terms of where he went with the ball, but even if Ben had caught it unless he had somehow bounced off and fallen in, the game would have been over.  You want to be able to take the two shots there into the end zone to hopefully be able to come up with one of them.”

(On McCoy should have spiked the ball on a play during their final offensive drive)- “I think the one decision that was really a ‘young guy’ decision was that shallow cross to (Chansi) Stuckey.  We talk about that a lot, you’re fighting two things.  You’re fighting distance and time and the catch and run play there, you need chunks unless you think it’s going to be some sort of explosive catch and run-type deal.  At that point, to gain as few yards as we gained to use up 20-odd seconds, it’s not where you want to go with the ball.  That sometimes happens, especially with a younger guy doing it.  Sometimes he’ll go and hit a check down or something.  You actually tell the back there to drop it.  If he makes that mistake there, don’t make it worse.”

(On if the plan before their last offensive play was to take two shots at the end zone)- “Yes, that was definitely the plan.  That was what we were trying to do is have a few chances to score.”

(On the quickest amount of time they could have got down to run a play if Watson would have caught that last pass)- “Typically, it’s 16 seconds.  On a shorter play, it can be a little bit less than that.  I’ve seen it at 15.  It depends on who is running the game clock, home or away.  Sometimes that 16 seconds goes really quick, sometimes that 16 seconds goes a little longer.  On average, a play from the first play to the spike of the next play takes 16 seconds.”

(On if there was no way they could have gotten another play off had that final attempt to Watson had been completed)- “No.”

(On if Brian Robiskie is not getting open or if the offensive game plan is not geared towards him)-“He had a couple of chances yesterday and I want him to come up with those catches when he has got those chances.  I think he needs to continue to work on getting open and he needs to continue to improve in there and I expect him to do that.  I think that’s really where it’s at.”

(On when he says 16 seconds between plays, what that includes)- “The start of the play, completion, everybody getting lined up and the spike, it’s typically about 16 seconds.”

(On if they could have got another play off had Watson caught that final pass attempt)- “With 13 seconds on the clock, odds are unless it’s a very short completion that you can’t throw the ball, him catch the ball, everybody get lined up and you spike it in less than 16 seconds, especially if it’s 15 or 20 yards down the field.  The linemen have to come down, the receivers have to get set, the official has to spot the ball, they have to get up from the ground and all of that has to take place.  The play itself typically takes six seconds, so the actual snap, throw and catch is about six seconds.  Then you need about 10 seconds for the rest of the mechanics to kick in.  I have seen a little bit shorter at times, but as a rule it’s about 16.”



11/22
7:38 PM

@Dennymayo The big boss already has one.


11/22
7:38 PM

@Dennymayo The big boss already has one.

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11/22
6:29 PM

Cracks In the Foundation: The limits of the Browns’ offensive capabilities were on display Sunday. http://bit.ly/eHKNmU


11/22
6:29 PM

Cracks In the Foundation: The limits of the Browns’ offensive capabilities were on display Sunday. http://bit.ly/eHKNmU


11/22
6:29 PM

Cracks In the Foundation: The limits of the Browns’ offensive capabilities were on display Sunday. http://bit.ly/eHKNmU


11/22
5:17 PM

@Dennymayo @WFNYScott @DonDelcoOBR If you want attention in a overcrowded market, rumor-mongering and/or outrage works nearly every time.


11/22
4:56 PM

Coaches, Players Still Searching for Answers: Browns players, coaches rehash Sunday’s 24-20 loss to Jacksonville http://bit.ly/eHfPEW


11/22
4:09 PM

Colt has an mri and well see where he is wed.

See, There IS Progress
Don Delco on November 22nd, 2010 AT 2:16 PM

Today, friend of the Orange and Brown Report Doug Farrar has issued his Midseason ‘No-Pro’ Team on the Yahoo! NFL blog, Shutdown Corner.

Earlier, I jotted down some reasons not to listen to the vocal minority that the Browns need wholesale changes after close losses to the New York Jets and Jacksonville Jaguars dropped the team to 3-7.

Farrar’s piece only helps bolster my argument.

On Farrar’s “No-Pro” team there is not a single Browns player. Now, I’m sure some would lobby for John St. Clair or Eric Wright, but considering the amount of Browns players that could be on this “No-Pro” list in season’s past, this is a huge step forward.


Find Some Perspective
Don Delco on November 22nd, 2010 AT 10:25 AM

The vocal minority was at it Sunday afternoon.

Blame Brian Daboll.

Fire Eric Mangini.

Replace Mangini with Mike Holmgren.

And that was just the thoughts on the Cleveland Browns' front office.

The vocal minority can be a dangerous group. They're the ones who are the most opinionated. They flood the message boards and sports talk radio with those opinions, some of which are excellent points and some of which are ludicrous.

Most of us are not in that vocal minority. But we can be easily persuaded. We must have a broad perspective of the current state of the Cleveland Browns.

For instance, two weeks ago after the Browns beat New Orleans and New England, everything was wonderful in Browns land. Daboll was an offensive genius. Magnini has this team going in the right direction and playoffs were even being discussed.

The Browns were 3-5.

And now, after losing in overtime to the New York Jets followed by forcing six turnovers and still losing to Jacksonville on Sunday, it is time to blow this thing up. Or so the vocal minority said.

On the Sunday before Thanksgiving last year, the Browns lost to Detroit 38-37 to fall to 1-9. Sandwiched between that Lions game, the Browns lost on Monday night to Baltimore 16-0, in which they had 160 yards of offense, and lost to Cincinnati 16-7, in which they had 169 yards of offense.

A year later, the Browns fewest total offensive yards in a game was 210. That was rookie Colt McCoy's first NFL start and a 30-17 win over the defending Super Bowl champions, New Orleans. The Browns may be 3-7, but their largest margin of defeat is 18 points at Pittsburgh. Last season eight of the Browns' 11 losses were by double digits.

This team is headed in the right direction under the current front office structure, that same front office that put players like Colt McCoy, Joe Haden and T.J. Ward out on the field Sunday. There is not a hopeless feeling like there was when the Browns were 1-11 early last December. No quarterback. No play makers on defense. No… nothing.

Think what this team can do with another year and another infusion of talent? We all know the problem areas, so, too, does the front office.

The Browns are competitive against teams who are among the NFL's best. Of the Browns 11 opponents, the only sub-.500 team they played is Cincinnati. The Browns have been competitive in each and every game.

It's frustrating they lost seven of 10 games, but it is hard to deny how well this team progressing. Just approach things from a wide perspective and tune out the vocal minority and suddenly things won't seem that bad.



11/22
10:17 AM

11AM: Interactive Video Chat: Break down the Browns loss with OBR and FSN Ohio Browns analysts http://bit.ly/ax1IWX


11/22
10:17 AM

Defeat of Browns Shows Jags Resiliency: The Jaguars had lots of opportunities to roll over for Browns, but hung tough. http://bit.ly/aVbYZa


11/22
9:46 AM

We’ve got a video streaming chat at 11AM on FoxSportsOhio.com with Zac, Fred, and/or Lane. Pose questions and get actual answers.


11/22
8:34 AM

@WFNYCraig I didn’t think St. Clair would be back -this- year, but chances are slim.


11/22
8:17 AM

Well, there’s that. Still very disappointed, like we all are. RT @cdkidd: @TheOBR Higher the pick the better the trade down options.


11/22
8:17 AM

Well, there’s that. Still very disappointed, like we all are. RT @cdkidd: @TheOBR Higher the pick the better the trade down options.


11/22
8:16 AM

Minus Cribbs, Fujita, Adams, and Womack, yes. RT @nic_leigh: @TheOBR THIS was the team that beat the Saints & Patriots?? ARGH!


11/22
8:16 AM

Minus Cribbs, Fujita, Adams, and Womack, yes. RT @nic_leigh: @TheOBR THIS was the team that beat the Saints & Patriots?? ARGH!

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11/21
9:02 PM

Fan View: Sooooo Close…: … to a top ten draft pick! Jeff Biletnikoff looks back on a frustrating loss. http://bit.ly/dCLeJX




  

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