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Today: What If Browns Win? Lose?

Our Cleveland Browns take on the 49ers today. What will the talking points be after the game if the Browns win today? What will they be if the Browns lose?

The media, much like fans, have narrative basis for everything they write, even simple news reports at this point. It isn't because all media are nefarious, having a narrative to start a story makes writing easier. It is why things like "QB wins" is still something media, and fans, talk about.

Wins should rarely be used as a stat for quarterbacks for a variety of reasons but Tom Brady in the Super Bowl is a perfect example. Brady played a good game but hardly "won the game by himself." He was actually on the sideline when the game was decided by Malcolm Butler's interception. Had the Seahawks scored in that situation it would have counted as "a loss" for Brady. Because his defense made a play, Brady "got the win" in the minds of the "QB wins" people.

At this point in the season we can likely predict the narratives that will come out of today's game whether the Browns win or lose. So here are the predictions so we can compare them afterwards and see if we got some of the narratives right:

Browns Win

With Manziel back at the lead of the Browns offense, a win backs up many who have stated that he should have been starting. This narrative will focus on what Manziel did right and, much like the "QB wins" group, that he led the team to a victory. If Manziel has a huge statistical game, those stats will be blown up everywhere. If he doesn't put up huge stats, the big plays he did make will get all the focus, even if his play wasn't a big part of the team's win.

Also, "Browns Don't Need to Look QB in the Draft" will be a part of this narrative.

  • The 49ers Paltry Offense Makes Browns Defense Look Okay/Good

Nothing that the defense does today will change how people feel about it or those who coach it. Some of that is reasonable: One game doesn't overcome the previous 12. Much of what the defense would do in a win would be discredited because the Niners offense is led by Blaine Gabbert and hasn't been good all year.

  • Nothing Can Save Farmer's/Pettine's Job(s)

Earlier this morning, Ian Rapoport tweeted what most assume: No one expects both Farmer and Pettine to make it to next year:

That there is a thought that one of them will return probably scares many Browns fans. We polled our Twitter followers on who they thought was most to blame for the Browns problems (Both wasn't an option on purpose) and most thought Farmer was the biggest problem, which we assume means they would be most okay with Pettine returning out of the two:

Obviously most fans want the whole thing blown up but, when forced to choose, put the blame on the GM.

A win today would lead to the narrative that either, or both, Farmer and Pettine have their fate sealed already. Nothing changes that.

  • Browns Win: Can't Even Tank Well

The "Browns Screw Up Draft Position" narrative likely gets a little play if the Browns win. If they win, the Browns would be at worst (best?) tied for the worst record in the NFL with the Chargers and Titans. Both teams are underdogs in their games this week as well. Strength of Schedule breaks the tie for the top pick, with the Browns hopes improving since they play the worst team of the three today.

If the Browns fall out of the top spot, and down to #3, some may look at the angle that the Browns should be playing all of their young players and not trying to win the game at all. We saw what playing a young player who is not ready, Cam Erving, can look like. Destroying youngsters' confidence is a concern with this model but some fans and media may see the Browns as screwing up their future in the NFL Draft.

Browns Lose (Not as detailed as we are far more used to these narratives at this point,)

  • Not Manziel's Fault, He Doesn't Have Weapons
  • Not Manziel's Fault, Pettine Wants (Set Him Up) To Fail

For Manziel lovers, nothing he does will change their mind. They have the Browns offense and Mike Pettine all lined up to blame even if Manziel looks terrible. "The offensive line, lack of running game and lack of big receivers are the problem, not our boy Johnny." While Pett may not have wanted Johnny drafted, and dislikes how he has handled himself (How anyone would like it is beyond me), believing he wants him to fail is a ridiculous. 

  • Manziel Can't Win in the NFL

The other group, the one who thinks Manziel is going to fail in the NFL no matter what. Whether it is due to his height, his style of play or his off the field issues, Manziel has drawn his droves of detractors. This group will use similar thoughts as the "QB wins" group if the Browns lose. Manziel could throw for 350 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INTs with the team scoring 28 points but lose 31 - 28 and his detractors will have their field day. 

It seems nuance is out the window when it comes to Manziel.

  • Pettine and/or Farmer Should Have Been Fired Already

A loss to the 4 win Niners will push the narrative that Jimmy Haslam should have fired either or both Farmer and Pettine during the Bye Week. Even though the Browns don't have a ready-made interim head coach on their staff (maybe that is a problem) and changes midseason rarely have big impacts on the outcome of that season, fans/media still feel like keeping them was a poor choice. A loss today, especially if it is bad, will lead to this storyline.

  • At Least We Still Have the #1 Pick

The NFL Draft has been our Super Bowl for years. At least we will have that to look forward to after a loss today.

What narrative/storyline do you think will come out from a Browns Win? Loss?


The OBR Top Stories

That there is a thought that one of them will return probably scares many Browns fans. We polled our Twitter followers on who they thought was most to blame for the Browns problems (Both wasn't an option on purpose) and most thought Farmer was the biggest problem, which we assume means they would be most okay with Pettine returning out of the two:

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Browns \"Chicken or the Egg?\" Poll. Who/what is to blame for the team's struggles? Vote Now!

\n— Orange and Brown Rpt (@TheOBR) December 8, 2015
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Obviously most fans want the whole thing blown up but, when forced to choose, put the blame on the GM.

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A win today would lead to the narrative that either, or both, Farmer and Pettine have their fate sealed already. Nothing changes that.

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The \"Browns Screw Up Draft Position\" narrative likely gets a little play if the Browns win. If they win, the Browns would be at worst (best?) tied for the worst record in the NFL with the Chargers and Titans. Both teams are underdogs in their games this week as well. Strength of Schedule breaks the tie for the top pick, with the Browns hopes improving since they play the worst team of the three today.

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If the Browns fall out of the top spot, and down to #3, some may look at the angle that the Browns should be playing all of their young players and not trying to win the game at all. We saw what playing a young player who is not ready, Cam Erving, can look like. Destroying youngsters' confidence is a concern with this model but some fans and media may see the Browns as screwing up their future in the NFL Draft.

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Browns Lose (Not as detailed as we are far more used to these narratives at this point,)

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For Manziel lovers, nothing he does will change their mind. They have the Browns offense and Mike Pettine all lined up to blame even if Manziel looks terrible. \"The offensive line, lack of running game and lack of big receivers are the problem, not our boy Johnny.\" While Pett may not have wanted Johnny drafted, and dislikes how he has handled himself (How anyone would like it is beyond me), believing he wants him to fail is a ridiculous. 

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The other group, the one who thinks Manziel is going to fail in the NFL no matter what. Whether it is due to his height, his style of play or his off the field issues, Manziel has drawn his droves of detractors. This group will use similar thoughts as the \"QB wins\" group if the Browns lose. Manziel could throw for 350 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INTs with the team scoring 28 points but lose 31 - 28 and his detractors will have their field day. 

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It seems nuance is out the window when it comes to Manziel.

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A loss to the 4 win Niners will push the narrative that Jimmy Haslam should have fired either or both Farmer and Pettine during the Bye Week. Even though the Browns don't have a ready-made interim head coach on their staff (maybe that is a problem) and changes midseason rarely have big impacts on the outcome of that season, fans/media still feel like keeping them was a poor choice. A loss today, especially if it is bad, will lead to this storyline.

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The NFL Draft has been our Super Bowl for years. At least we will have that to look forward to after a loss today.

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What narrative/storyline do you think will come out from a Browns Win? Loss?

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The media, much like fans, have narrative basis for everything they write, even simple news reports at this point. It isn't because all media are nefarious, having a narrative to start a story makes writing easier. It is why things like \"QB wins\" is still something media, and fans, talk about.

Wins should rarely be used as a stat for quarterbacks for a variety of reasons but Tom Brady in the Super Bowl is a perfect example. Brady played a good game but hardly \"won the game by himself.\" He was actually on the sideline when the game was decided by Malcolm Butler's interception. Had the Seahawks scored in that situation it would have counted as \"a loss\" for Brady. Because his defense made a play, Brady \"got the win\" in the minds of the \"QB wins\" people.

At this point in the season we can likely predict the narratives that will come out of today's game whether the Browns win or lose. So here are the predictions so we can compare them afterwards and see if we got some of the narratives right:

Browns Win

With Manziel back at the lead of the Browns offense, a win backs up many who have stated that he should have been starting. This narrative will focus on what Manziel did right and, much like the \"QB wins\" group, that he led the team to a victory. If Manziel has a huge statistical game, those stats will be blown up everywhere. If he doesn't put up huge stats, the big plays he did make will get all the focus, even if his play wasn't a big part of the team's win.

Also, \"Browns Don't Need to Look QB in the Draft\" will be a part of this narrative.

Nothing that the defense does today will change how people feel about it or those who coach it. Some of that is reasonable: One game doesn't overcome the previous 12. Much of what the defense would do in a win would be discredited because the Niners offense is led by Blaine Gabbert and hasn't been good all year.

Earlier this morning, Ian Rapoport tweeted what most assume: No one expects both Farmer and Pettine to make it to next year:

Discussed #Browns situation on @NFLGameDay. At this point, it's unfathomable Mike Pettine & Ray Farmer both return. Which will Haslam pick?

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) December 13, 2015

That there is a thought that one of them will return probably scares many Browns fans. We polled our Twitter followers on who they thought was most to blame for the Browns problems (Both wasn't an option on purpose) and most thought Farmer was the biggest problem, which we assume means they would be most okay with Pettine returning out of the two:

Browns \"Chicken or the Egg?\" Poll. Who/what is to blame for the team's struggles? Vote Now!

— Orange and Brown Rpt (@TheOBR) December 8, 2015

Obviously most fans want the whole thing blown up but, when forced to choose, put the blame on the GM.

A win today would lead to the narrative that either, or both, Farmer and Pettine have their fate sealed already. Nothing changes that.

The \"Browns Screw Up Draft Position\" narrative likely gets a little play if the Browns win. If they win, the Browns would be at worst (best?) tied for the worst record in the NFL with the Chargers and Titans. Both teams are underdogs in their games this week as well. Strength of Schedule breaks the tie for the top pick, with the Browns hopes improving since they play the worst team of the three today.

If the Browns fall out of the top spot, and down to #3, some may look at the angle that the Browns should be playing all of their young players and not trying to win the game at all. We saw what playing a young player who is not ready, Cam Erving, can look like. Destroying youngsters' confidence is a concern with this model but some fans and media may see the Browns as screwing up their future in the NFL Draft.

Browns Lose (Not as detailed as we are far more used to these narratives at this point,)

For Manziel lovers, nothing he does will change their mind. They have the Browns offense and Mike Pettine all lined up to blame even if Manziel looks terrible. \"The offensive line, lack of running game and lack of big receivers are the problem, not our boy Johnny.\" While Pett may not have wanted Johnny drafted, and dislikes how he has handled himself (How anyone would like it is beyond me), believing he wants him to fail is a ridiculous.

The other group, the one who thinks Manziel is going to fail in the NFL no matter what. Whether it is due to his height, his style of play or his off the field issues, Manziel has drawn his droves of detractors. This group will use similar thoughts as the \"QB wins\" group if the Browns lose. Manziel could throw for 350 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INTs with the team scoring 28 points but lose 31 - 28 and his detractors will have their field day.

It seems nuance is out the window when it comes to Manziel.

A loss to the 4 win Niners will push the narrative that Jimmy Haslam should have fired either or both Farmer and Pettine during the Bye Week. Even though the Browns don't have a ready-made interim head coach on their staff (maybe that is a problem) and changes midseason rarely have big impacts on the outcome of that season, fans/media still feel like keeping them was a poor choice. A loss today, especially if it is bad, will lead to this storyline.

The NFL Draft has been our Super Bowl for years. At least we will have that to look forward to after a loss today.

What narrative/storyline do you think will come out from a Browns Win? Loss?

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