Barry: Let's roll
Barry: TOPIC #1: Terrelle Smith... GONE!! Reuben Droughns (who some of us were dreaming of sharing a backfield with Lewis)... GONE!! Reflect on what this means to the Cleveland Browns offense and the team's ability to throw fullback option passes.
John: Vickers was the man for the fullback option. Smith's release will not affect that part of the offensive arsenal.
Rich: It must mean that Lawrence Vickers has learned how to block.
Fred: It's clear they were going to go with Vickers ever since the third-and-one plays last year. I'm still wondering about Lewis and Peterson.
Rich: Unless, of course, the Browns plan on using an attack that doesn't feature a blocking back.
Barry: Oh no, not the return of the H-back!
John: They've had that the last three years, Rich.
John: Even when Smith was on the field, they were still in a one-back, no FB system.
Fred: I'm all for the two back system.
Rich: The question is: Is Chudzinski in favor of the two-back system?
Fred: It doesn't matter to me. I am.
Barry: Are you disappointed they got rid of Droughns?
John: "feh" on Droughns.
Rich: In retrospect, sure. He'd make a nice blocking back.
Fred: Only if he would have been the FB in place of Smith, I would have liked to see him in that role with Lewis.
Barry: And Chud had Lorenzo Neal on his team last year, for reference. Fullbacks played in San Diego.
Barry: So was Smith just done, or not worth the money? Does this mean a change in philosophy or is it just dumping a player?
Rich: Maybe Savage is planning on drafting a big fullback type.
Fred: I believe they feel they can get a younger cheaper FB in VIckers.
Barry: Well, the team has been looking at a lot of tight ends. Short tight ends are sometimes turned into fullbacks.
Rich: Could Vickers become this year's Terrelle Smith in that all he does is block?
Fred: I doubt it.
Rich: I'm not certain the club is certain where they're going to go with this.
John: He wasn't making a lot of money to begin with, but, IMHO, he was stealing that. Highly, highly overrated.
Barry: John, you don't give Smith much credit for Droughns 1200 yard season he had, eh?
John: Nope, not at all. He's lived on his Saints' rep the last three years.
Fred: The big indictment was they couldn't get a third and one first down the past three years on the ground.
John: Amen Fred.
Barry: That's the answer right there, Fred.
John: Cavs up by 28 (that's just to piss Passan off.)
Rich: Trade LeBron.
Barry: NOW RESPOND TO TOPIC 2!!!
Barry: TOPIC #2: Tim Carter, WR, Cleveland Browns. Canny trade by Phil Savage, or just Andre Davis trying to sneak back into town?
Rich: Tim Carter: Bust in New York. Tim Carter: Bust in Cleveland
Rich: Why in the world did they trade for this guy? He wasn't good coming out of college.
Fred: They were going to release Droughns so by accepting a trade (even for nothing) he could keep his contract.
John: They were gonna release Droughns regardless. They got a WR with speed who may or may not pan out. It was worth a shot.
Barry: Well, I keep seeing the word underachiever... lots of times coaches think they can turn those guys around.
Rich: When Ernie Accorsi drafted him, most people in New York said, "Who?" Then they said, "Why?"
Fred: Carter is a throw in and nothing more than a third or fourth receiver and possibly a return guy.
Barry: Possible kickoff returner?
Rich: Replacing Cribbs?
Fred: Was thinking more about Punt Return
Barry: Punt returner? (oops)
Barry: Edit that from the transcript John, to make me seem smarter.
John: Will do.
Barry: No you won't. I sense you plotting now.
Rich: Didn't return one punt for the Giants.
Rich: Is Antonio Perkins still on the team?
Barry: Practice Squad Perkins?
Fred: Practice squad
Rich: Another one of Phil's beauties.
Barry: I've never seen him return punts even in training camp.
Barry: Fred have you ever seen Perkins return a punt?
Fred: No...maybe in a preseason game his rookie year.
Rich: Didn't he lead the nation in his senior year in punt returns?
John: He was a helluva PR guy at Oklahoma
Barry: Yeah, he did. But I haven't seen him used at all for that here. Which is kind of weird.
Rich: Then why is he still around?
John: He's a Sooner, Rich.
Fred: Save face and use in stats that say how many of their choices are still around.
John: lol Fred
Barry: He practices even with a broken hand.
Barry: Gotta love that.
Rich: Then see ya later, Sooner.
John: Wow, that was bad.
Barry: Ow! With that....
Barry: TOPIC #3: Browns are interested in bringing in PK Olindo Mare. Trade talks with the Dolphins have reported gone well beyond the "idle chat" stage. Explain this, now.
Rich: Why not wait until the Dolphins release Mare? They just signed Jay Feely.
John: Because they want to get him before he hits the open market and they get into some kind of bidding war?
Barry: Because other teams are circling. We may not get him if we wait.
Fred: I don't understand that. There's many more areas than kicker.
Rich: Why waste a draft pick on a kicker? Makes no sense.
Rich: Also . . . how effective would Mare be in Cleveland in the fall and winter?
John: His stats vs. NE and Buffalo would tell something.
Barry: Explain to me why Phil Dawson needs to be upgraded... anyone know?
Fred: Is he better than Dawson?
John: I think so, Fred.
Barry: Here are two things I've been told by folks from Miami
Barry: 1. He nails kickoffs into the end zone nearly every time. No return game against him.
Barry: 2. His field goal percentage was incredible, but thinks he has trouble specifically in Miami's stadium which means folks think he'll be unreal outside of it.
Rich: But can he do that in windy Cleveland Browns Stadium?
John: McBride: why not? Why should they not look to upgrade every position?
Rich: Because there are too many other important positions to fix.
Fred: Why did Miami go another direction?
Barry: Miami has a dirt infield, I guess, or something like that. It's been said he has trouble with that.
Rich: PK should rank low on the priority list.
John: Why can they not look at Mare? It's not like they are dropping everything else to acquire a PK.
Fred: We have painted green dirt. Does that count?
Rich: That's the old field, Fred.
John: I just don't get why it's a big deal that they are looking at Mare.
Barry: They can look, but if they start trading away draft picks when Dawson is here, it seems like a large investment for questionable gain.
Rich: For what it's worth, I wouldn't give up a draft pick for a kicker. In any round.
John: Even a 7th?
Fred: It's not. I just don't want them too preoccupied with that not to get a cornerback or dlineman.
Rich: In any round.
John: Hell, even a 6th.
Barry: We got Justin Hamilton for a seventh round pick. Seems like a decent use of a pick.
John: Yeah, because the Browns have nailed all of those late-rounders.
John: 'As would an upgrade at the PK position.
Barry: Stop with your fact-using Taylor. Draft picks are GOLD. GOLD!!
Rich: Careful, John, your sarcasm is showing.
John: Oops, I thought I tucked that thing in. My bad.
Barry: Good. We have that settled.
Rich: Or do we?
Barry: No, but I got Taylor to stop poking holes in my logic, Rich. That's all that matters.
John: Cavs up by 35.
Rich: When was the last time you saw any team trade for a kicker?
Barry: TOPIC #4: Bob Kain follows Randy Lerner into Cleveland from IMG and Aston Villa. Easy part-time gig or future Browns president? TYPE NOW.
John: Mentor for future Browns president.
Fred: Lerner went out of his way in the statement to say his role wouldn't be changed. What does that mean?
Barry: It means "I hope McBride doesn't ask a stupid question in next week's Death Chat"
John: Look at his responsibilities in the press release. the very description of a non-football president.
Fred: I think he's the non football answer to Ron Wolf.
Barry: Why have him here at all?
John: MENTOR! You not listening?
Fred: Keep him off the street.
Barry: Right, Fred. Last thing we need are rich guys with too much free time, lurking around.
Rich: I know Bob Kain. He's a good man with a great sense for business. The most important thing is that he's a Clevelander. He's smart, savvy and makes good, sound decisions. Will he stick his nose in football business? I hope not. I believe he's smart enough to distance himself from that part of the business.
John: You knew the original Cain, didn't ya Rich?
Fred: At first, I thought it was Bob Gain.
Rich: I interviewed both Bob Cain and Bob Gain. Bob Cain was the Detroit pitcher who threw to Eddie Gaedel, the midget.
John: I was talking the biblical Cain, Rich.
Barry: I think he was ignoring you, John.
John: And you bitch about me giving Cavs updates?
John: I'll get him to talk, Barry.
Barry: Did Gaedel take the walk?
Barry: If Bill Veeck was around today, he'd have Gaedel charge the mound. I'd pay money to see that.
Rich: Four straight balls. Bill Veeck threatened Gaedel. Told him that he placed a sharpshooter on the roof of the stadium with instructions to shoot if Gaedel swung the bat.
Rich: Oh. Sorry, Fred, never made his acquaintance.
Barry: Alright, back to football
Barry: TOPIC #5: Robaire Smith and the Browns keep talking contract, but Smith is also talking to Tennessee. Is he a "must-sign" or a "like-to-sign"?
John: He's a "would-be-an-upgrade" signing.
Fred: I think they need to sign him because unless there's something I don't know, they don't have a dline right now at all.
Rich: He is a must sign. This team needs help desperately along the defensive line.
John: Given the state of the DL, he could almost be viewed as a must signing.
Barry: We may have to exit... quickly... I just got word right now that R. Smith just signed. On to the lightning round.
Barry: LIGHTNING ROUND
Barry: 1. Phil Dawson: Should he go to a month-to-month lease? YES OR NO
Barry: Correct answer is "yes". You're all wrong.
Barry: 2. Raiders take JaMarcus Russell. Lions take Brady Quinn. You take....?
Rich: Adrian Peterson
Fred: Adrian Peterson
Rich: You cudda picked Joe Thomas.
Barry: 3. JaMarcus Russell works out in Louisiana. ESPN guy I've never heard of calls it "best workout in 10 years". Give your odds that Russell is a complete bust.
John: And Brady is at 5%
Barry: 4. Now, give your odds that Russell is a Pro Bowl QB.
Fred: 50/50...I'm going on the line
Barry: Excellent. Correct answer is 30%. You all lose again.
Barry: Final question
Barry: 5. Give your odds that I run out of lightning round questions by June 20th?
Rich: That's better
Fred: 100 percent
Barry: Rich and Fred are correct, win with one correct answer. We're done people!
Fred: No controversy
Rich: So who did R Smith sign with?
Rich: Well, that's a start
Fred: That's good news!
Barry: Yes it is. Now to slam it out. See ya!
Death Chat 2007: Robaire Edition
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