Fred: I'm here
Barry: We're just missing that Taylor dude.
Barry: Heh... speak of the...
John: Not no more
Rich: Not anymore. Musta heard ya.
John: Ears were ringing
Barry: It's like saying "Beetlejuice"
Rich: We got ourselves a quorum.
Barry: Well, let's kick it.
Barry: 1. The Dolphins appear to be looking in other directions with respect to quarterback, and Trent Green remains available. If he's available for a 5th round pick, should the Browns grab him...
Rich: Chiefs asking a second rounder for him. hehehehe.
Rich: Chiefs won't accept a fifth rounder.
Barry: IF they would, Rich... IF....
Rich: That's a mighty big if.
Barry: Don't obfuscate with the facts
Rich: If you're pushing, then yes. But not gonna happen.
John: Chiefs won't get a first-day pick for Green
Fred: I agree with that
Barry: Alright, how high would each of you go for Trent?
Rich: Fifth round. And that's pushing it.
John: No more than a fifth.
Fred: fourth, as long as it isn't Trent Dilfer
Barry: Got it... Palm Beach Post said earlier today that the "Lions and Browns" were starting to look for Green. Believe them?
Rich: At this time of the year, I believe very little of what I hear.
John: A source told me earlier this evening that the story was false, but interest in Green could change if he's still available after the draft.
Rich: Let's not get too excited about Trent Green. He's 36 and on the downside of a career.
John: Exactly Rich
Barry: Who's getting excited? He's a short-term guy and a mentor for whoever is the QB of the future. That's it. We're hoping for a Gary Danielson.
Barry: Anyone expect any more?
John: Yer cranky tonight, Barry.
Barry: Shut up Taylor.
Barry: I am not.
John: Your honor, I rest my case.
Rich: I don't think he would want too come to Cleveland as a mentor. Unless he wanted to live there.
Barry: 2. Falcons DT Grady Jackson has filed a suit against the Falcons due to the release of medical records and looks to be angling to leave. You all laughed at me when I said "Get Grady" last year. Are you interested in him now?
John: He'd be mentoring Cleo Lemon in Miami.
Barry: No, the Trentster.
Rich: Quit dangling your participles.
John: Cranky AND confusing tonight. Nice.
Barry: John, by the time I'm done editing, I will appear brilliant.
John: Yer not gonna get me to look at my zipper, Rich. Amo not falling for that one again.
Barry: Stop avoiding my Grady question.
John: Anything that helps the DL I'm all for.
Barry: NO?!? How can you turn down a big fat guy named Grady?
Rich: I'm interested in anyone who can play the defensive line better than that group the Browns had last season.
Fred: It depends on the price
John: Of course.
Barry: Sounds like you're not a Grady Believer, Fred.
Fred: Unless it's Sizemore
Rich: The reason Jackson is suing appears to be HIPAA related.
Barry: That sounds right, Rich... speculation is that he was looking for a better deal or free agency.
Barry: I was just waiting for JT to somehow combine the "dangling participles" and "sizemore".
Barry: 3. Let's play create-a-rumor: If you were Phil Savage, would you place a phone call to Chicago to ask about Lance Briggs?
Rich: Too late. Dan Snyder reportedly is ready to break the bank for Briggs.
Fred: I wouldn't give up a top 10 pick
Fred: The Browns have too many other needs
Rich: Supposedly, the Bears are mulling over a deal with the Redskins.
Barry: That's true, but it looks like they'll turn it down.
Barry: They gave Briggs another contract offer tonight.
Fred: His agent is lobbying for the trade
Rich: Briggs appears to have shoved hard enough to move the Bears off dead center.
John: Now, if the Browns traded down in the draft, and Briggs were still available, I might consider it. I wouldn't give up the #3 overall for him.
Barry: So, #3 for #31 and Briggs is not OK, but #7 for #31 and Briggs would be?
John: What part of "might consider it" did you not understand?
Barry: The clock is ticking... the deal is on the table... you've dealt down to #7... would you swap it for Briggs and the #31?
Rich: I wouldn't give up the third pick overall for Briggs, who won't be the same linebacker without Brian Urlacher by his side.
Rich: No way.
Barry: Just getting specific John.
Fred: I wouldn't make the deal
Barry: I think I'd make that deal.
Rich: Urlacher made Briggs. Not the other way around.
John: I would consider it more than I would with the #3 overall. Also depends on if anyone I was targeting had slid in the draft.
Fred: There are a lot of variables.
Rich: He wouldn't be that good with the Browns.
John: Nobody ever is
Rich: In Chicago, he has a decent DL and Urlacher.
John: A system guy then?
Barry: If I could get Lance Briggs and Aaron Ross/Justin Blalock/Ben Grubbs/etc when I'm done with the first round, I'm a happy guy.
Rich: You hittin' the sauce again, Barry?
Fred: I think he's a product of the system
Barry: Nope. Stone cold sober. Surprisingly.
John: Therein lies the problem.
Barry: Lance Briggs is a stud. A sure thing. You've still got a low first-round pick and whatever you got for trading down from #3 to #7. I'd do that deal.
Rich: The Browns don't need another inside linebacker. What do they do with Leon Williams and D'Qwell Jackson if they get Briggs?
Fred: Half of their salary cap will be at LB
Barry: Stop confusing me with depth chart questions.
Rich: Repeating . . . without Urlacher, Briggs is not that good.
John: I don't think you pass on a player like Briggs just because you have Leon or DQ on the roster.
Rich: You guys are seriously overrating this guy outside the Chicago scheme.
Barry: Move Leon outside. Problem solved.
John: Yes. Absolutely.
Rich: Then what do you do with Peek and McGinest?
Barry: This is probably the last year McGinest plays football, Rich.
Rich: Think outside the box here, guys.
Fred: Two years ago might have been the last he played football
Barry: Rimshot! for Fred
Barry: Alright, we have a difference of opinion. Dats cool.
Barry: 4. Let's try to get into the cold, heartless soul of AL Davis for a minute. The Raiders have sniffed around the availability of Josh McCown a little... do you think they're trying to figure out a way to rationalize drafting Calvin Johnson?
Fred: It sounds like the Raiders don't know what they'll do. They might draft another Kicker in the first round
John: I'm still not certain Al Davis is alive. I think animatronics are somehow involved.
Rich: No way. They're gonna keep Randy Moss and draft Russell.
Barry: You really want Randy Moss hanging around the same set of lockers as your impressionable rookie QB?
Fred: nor a rookie wide receiver
Rich: That's the kind of locker room Al Davis likes.
Barry: Well, let's ask this question first, then: Do you think that the Raidahs will find a taker for Moss?
Fred: I see a draft day taker
Rich: Takers pollute the NFL landscape. I don't think anyone will give up what Davis wants.
John: I don't think it will matter if Moss is on the roster or not as to whether CJ is the Raiders' pick.
Barry: Maybe it's just because I love Jamarcus Russell, in a manly way, but I'm looking for any sign they'll pass him up for CJ
Rich: I believe Davis likes a franchise quarterback more than he does a franchise wide receiver.
John: Who's the last franchise QB Davis has picked?
Barry: Follow-up, would the Buccaneers getting Calvin Johnson at #4 be the biggest draft steal in the last five years?
Fred: Very well could be
Rich: Try Shawne Merriman at #12 (if I'm not mistaken) a couple of years ago by San Diego.
Barry: But isn't Merriman a bit suspect at this point?
John: It would be one of, absolutely. If the scouting reports are correct.
Rich: Davis is still kicking himself for not picking Matt Leinart last year.
Fred: If he takes Johnson it will really make things interesting for the Browns.
Rich: If he takes Johnson, the draft tumbles out of control for the first five or so picks.
Rich: You asked for a draft steal. I give you Shawne Merriman. He has played more like a top 3 pick.
Barry: Yeah, he's a draft steal, but could CJ at #4 be like MJ at #3?
Barry: (With the Browns and Lions playing the role of Portland Trailblazers)
John: Nah, not a WR.
Fred: I wouldn't say so right now
Barry: Alright. I'm sounding like a hyperbolic ESPN commentator now. Someone get me a beer.
Rich: Wide receivers do not control games.
John: If the Browns get the Hakeem of the MJ draft, I'd be happy.
Rich: Nice crossover, John.
John: I'm the Tim Hardaway of the group. I'll break yer ankles.
Barry: You break your own, that's how good you are.
Rich: BTW, how're the Cavs doing?
Fred: Losing by one to the Knicks who are missing four guys.
Barry: So, really, the point is that there isn't an MJ in football, is there?
Barry: 5. A recent article by someone I've never heard of on some big corporate sports site said that the Browns have had a bad off-season because they haven't replaced Charlie Frye. If the Browns are starting next season with the same group of quarterbacks, would you consider the off-season a failure?
Rich: Depends heavily on how Phil Savage drafts.
Fred: I wouldn't call it a failure but it's a disappointment they can't upgrade Dorsey
John: It's a failure if they can't upgrade Frye/DA.
Fred: I agree, but you got to get at least one more guy.
Barry: So, if he does great in the draft, but it's still Frye/DA, that might be OK, Rich?
Rich: I wouldn't consider it a failure if Anderson is the starter and has more to work with.
John: Yep, and if they go into 2007 with the same QBs, it's an abject failure in my book.
Fred: Hey rich, I see your man Kelly is an Eagle
Barry: I just keep remembering how Savage talked about how the Ravens had to trade up to get Boller...
John: They also have a Lombardi.
Rich: If Savage fails to give Anderson help (Adrian Peterson, Adrian Peterson), then I'd call it a failure.
Barry: So, the answers are "yes" from John, and "maybe" from Rich and Fred?
John: I could kind of go along with that, Rich.
Barry: LAST QUESTION BEFORE THE LIGHTNING ROUND...
Barry: 6. If drafting a quarterback could buy you a year of two of breathing space before the team is expected to win... if you're Phil Savage... does that enter into your calculations?
Fred: No, we've had nine years
John: If drafting a QB is best for the franchise, then you pull the trigger.
Barry: So, you wouldn't be tempted to buy another year of time to rebuild the team?
Rich: This team needs to starting getting competitive ASAP.
Fred: This year
John: If I can get somebody who I felt was going to be a franchise QB--given the current state of the position--I wouldn't hesitate.
Barry: Because... with as many holes as this team still has... I'd be tempted...
Rich: Not if it meant losing some of your fan base.
Fred: They need to take a QB if they think he's a franchise player
Barry: LIGHTNING ROUND LIGHTNING ROUND LIGHTNING ROUND
Barry: 1. The Browns are suddenly in the position that they can pick whoever they want on 4/28. Name your player. No explanations, equivocations, or obfuscation. Who do you want? Pick.
John: Brady Quinn
Rich: Surprise!!!!! Adrian Peterson.
Rich: And you??
Barry: You're all wrong. The correct answer is Jamarcus Russell.
John: Barry and Jamarcus, sittin' in a tree...
Barry: Yeah, you're the one who is in love with the cover boy
Barry: 2. Rumor: Browns are considering trading up to get Jamarcus Russell. Is the rumor believable or pure lunacy?
Rich: At this point/ who cares? Let's see where that rumor is on April 27.
Barry: Fred and John get one point. It's lunacy.
John: That answer wasn't very lightning-like, Rich
Rich: Old age.
Barry: 3. If the Browns traded Charlie Frye for a draft pick, which round is a fair price?
Rich: If they get a seventh, they should be thrilled.
John: Do they still have a ninth round in the draft?
Fred: Cavs lose to the Knicks!
Rich: Who cares?
Fred: I wouldn't trade him for a seventh
Barry: You still have to name the round, Fred
Rich: What round?
Barry: What would you trade him for?
Rich: You're dreaming, Fred.
Barry: Fair enough. Fred gets a half-point. The correct answer is "5"
Rich: You, too, Barry.
Fred: a 7th rounder isn't going to help you
John: Neither is Charlie. :-)
Rich: But that's all you'll be able to get for him.
Barry: 4. EXTRA CREDIT: Jason Kline of the Mansfield News-Journal recently said that the OBR was more reliable than ESPN, FoxSports, and SI.com. Question: Is Jason Kline the most brilliant judge of media quality in history?
Rich: Is there any question?
(we then return to arguing about Charlie Frye's draft worth)
Fred: Why trade him then?
Rich: Gotta get something for him.
Fred: He's only played 16 games.
John: I've seen enough, frankly.
Barry: Really, the answer is totally dependent on whether they draft a QB in the first.
Barry: BUT this is lightning round, and logic plays no role here.
Rich: Logic? What's that?
Rich: No one would be stupid enough to give up a five for him.
Barry: Rich, this is a league which has employed Matt Millen for, what, five years?
Barry: Someone's dumb enough.
Rich: The league hasn't employed Millen. The Lions have.
Rich: Not even Millen would be dumb enough to trade a five for Frye.
Barry: Just ask yourself: who is this year's Dwight Clark?
Barry: Find your Dwight, get your fifth.
John: No. Way.
Barry: Alrighty, then, the Death Chat ends of a note of discord.
Rich: And what better way.
John: You set the tone with your crankiness.
Barry: John Taylor wins with two points for his correct answers on questions 2 and 4.
John: Finally. There is justice. I'd like to thank my parents and...
Barry: With that, I'll offer up a cheery "Shut up Taylor!" and we'll be on our way.
John: Nope, he's bitchy tonight.
Barry: My pizza was undercooked. Later!!
Fred: have a good one
John: Later fellas.
Death Chat 2007: Undercooked Pizza Edition
Fred: I'm here