Warpaint Roundtable – Offseason Edition XIV

This week we discuss Tony Gonzalez, Brodie Croyle, Will Franklin, and mean streaks.

Do you think Tony Gonzalez is happy he re-signed with the Chiefs? Or does he regret it and wish he would have signed with a team like the Colts or the Patriots to get a ring?

Nick Athan: I don't think he regrets anything. He's a rich man thanks to the three huge contracts he earned, so I don't buy into any of the talk that he's unhappy to be a Chief. He had plenty of opportunities to opt out and be a free agent if he so chose, but Kansas City gave him the big bucks.

The thing for Gonzalez this year is that he focus not on receptions, but catching the ball in the red zone, and for touchdowns. Hey, he could have gone to the Colts or Patriots last year and he still would not have been a Super Bowl winner.

Michael Ash: Gonzalez has made it clear in various interviews that he wants to win a Super Bowl before he retires, but he had to see the writing on the wall when he re-signed with the Chiefs. The quarterback situation was up in the air, the offensive line was on the way down, so he had to know that the next few seasons would be rough. Knowing that, I can't imagine he regrets it too much.

C.E. Wendler: This might sound sappy, but I believe Tony Gonzalez has come to love Kansas City and his role in the professional sports scene here so much, he was perfectly happy to collect another huge payday and remain a Kansas City Chief.

Will he regret not winning a championship if the Chiefs fail to do so before he retires? Sure, anyone would, but many great players retire without rings – Dan Marino, Eric Dickerson, etc. No individual is entitled to a championship, and I'm sure Gonzalez knows that.


Which Chief has the biggest mean streak?

Nick: My answer might surprise you, as I think right now it's defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey. He's all business on the field and I love the way he attacks double teams. He's been relentless through the OTA sessions and I can't wait until the bullets fly for real. Dorsey gets after his own players in the huddle, and that tells me he's a leader.

Michael Ash: A year ago the runaway answer would have been Kyle Turley, but he's not on the roster anymore. Will Svitek is a natural choice, considering he used to get in fights at training camp on an almost daily basis. And I certainly wouldn't give any dirty looks to Larry Johnson or Brian Waters.

But my answer: Jean-Philippe Darche. If you're walking down the street one night and see him heading your way, don't look him in the eye. Don't make any sudden movements. Just lower your head, hold your breath, and hope that he walks on past.

C.E. Wendler: Larry Johnson. He has plenty to prove this year, and he knows it. I suspect we'll see plenty of angry running from him as the chip on his shoulder is as big as ever with two young, hungry running backs behind him. Did I mention Fantasy Football publications are lowballing LJ in the running-back rankings almost across the board? Our own Fox Sports fantasy magazine had Johnson ranked eighth.


If the Chiefs finish below .500 this year, do you see them picking up a quarterback in the first round next year?


What does Brodie Croyle's future hold?
Al Bello

Nick Athan: If Brodie Croyle wins six or more games, I don't see the team drafting a quarterback in the first round, but I think they'd take one in the second round. We're going to debate Croyle the entire offseason and regular season, so I'll go out on the limb and say Croyle is a better quarterback than Atlanta's Matt Ryan. Call me crazy, but I think he'll win more games this year. Clark Hunt has already stated, however, that he wants the Chiefs to have a pair of young quarterbacks in the pipeline at all times.

Michael Ash: If they finish below .500 because of Brodie Croyle, sure. He has to prove this season that he's capable of being a starting NFL quarterback. But if the team's struggles are unrelated to his play, I don't think they'll look to replace him unless they feel they have a shot at drafting a franchise-level player.

And it's important to remember the other side of that coin, too. Even if the Chiefs want to draft a quarterback in the first round next year, it doesn't mean one will be worth taking when they pick.

C.E. Wendler: No. For better or for worse, I think Herm Edwards has hitched his wagon to Brodie Croyle. He'll get at least this year and next to prove himself, because he won't be Ryan-Leaf bad this year – he wasn't last year, after all.


Out of Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, Brodie Croyle, and Jarrad Page, who do you see having the best season?

Nick Athan: I'd say it's a tie between Johnson and Hali. Both will be helped by the improved surrounding cast. Johnson is entering his fourth season in the league and appears to be someone who is ready to take charge. After talking to him this offseason and watching him through OTAs, he just looks like a better player who might reach his All-Pro potential.

Hali will improve by going up against rookie tackle Branden Albert. From their first snap against each other until the end of OTAs – Albert's injury set aside - Hali was impressive. Remember, he played hurt the last 12 games of 2007.

Michael Ash: Derrick Johnson, no question. That's probably an easy answer since he's been consistently better than the other three options, but I see DJ having one of the best seasons of anyone on the team. Things are falling into place for him to have a big year.

From the arrival of Glenn Dorsey (who will help keep offensive linemen off the linebackers), to Gunther Cunningham taking over as the linebackers coach, to the young corners, who will be able to cover receivers man-to-man and let the defense be more aggressive, it all works in DJ's favor. I'm not saying he'll make the Pro Bowl, as it would take a monster season for a 4-3 ‘backer to get noticed in the AFC. But I expect him to be worthy of making it there.

C.E. Wendler: Hali, simply because he'll be playing right next to Dorsey. He won't see a double-team all year. Some are skeptical of Hali's move to right defensive end, but he's played there before. When Jared Allen was suspended for the first two games last year, Hali played some snaps at his position. We've also seen Hali come bursting off the right side in Gunther's "Falcon" defense.

I expect we'll see Hali and Dorsey stunt quite a bit. The Titans utilized Kyle Vanden Bosch and Albert Haynesworth in this manner last season with great success. It's funny how Vanden Bosch's career took off when he finally got to play with a tackle like Haynesworth.


Jeff Webb has shown "flashes" of what it takes to be an NFL wide receiver, but if Will Franklin has a great camp and preseason, what are his chances of starting, and what do you see him bringing to the team?


Will Jeff Webb win KC's #2 WR spot?
Tim Umphrey

Nick: I'm just not sold on Jeff Webb and he'll be tested in River Falls. He may be Herm's guy but it'll be Chan Gailey that determines if he's worthy of playing ahead of Darling or Franklin. To me Franklin has the most upside of the three and if one of them doesn't step up this offense is going to be shaky.

Webb will get his chance, but he has to be productive early on if he's going to get any playing time. Heck, we haven't even mentioned Bobby Sippio, who has better hands than Webb. Should be a fun position to watch.

Michael Ash: Last week I listed Franklin as the opening day starter, which I based mostly on a recent comment from Herm Edwrds, where he said that if two players are tied, he wants the younger one to play. Obviously that's a quote with some wiggle room to it, as Darling and Webb would be considered young players on most rosters. But as long as Franklin remains in the hunt, I think he has a great chance to end up being the starter.

As for what Franklin would bring, he was drafted for his speed. He's a bigger receiver, which Herm likes, but he has the ability to stretch the field and open up room underneath for Bowe and Gonzalez.

C.E. Wendler: I don't think Herm Edwards is afraid to play rookies, and I don't think he'll favor Jeff Webb over anyone else to the detriment of the team. That's a Dick Vermeil trait, not a Herm Edwards trait. As for Franklin's chances of starting, I'm still skeptical, no matter how great he was in OTAs. That's because offseason workouts don't compare to real NFL games, or even preseason games for that matter.

If Franklin can actually fight through press coverage, get off the line consistently, and run routes in the middle of the field while linebackers try to take his head off, then yeah, he's probably got a good shot at opening up the field with that 4.3 speed. But that's a huge "if." Most rookie wide receivers struggle with the physical aspect of the game while still trying to get the mental part down. The smart money is still on Devard Darling.

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\r\n\r\nDo you think Tony Gonzalez is happy he re-signed with the Chiefs? Or does he regret it and wish he would have signed with a team like the Colts or the Patriots to get a ring?\r\n

Nick Athan: I don't think he regrets anything. He's a rich man thanks to the three huge contracts he earned, so I don't buy into any of the talk that he's unhappy to be a Chief. He had plenty of opportunities to opt out and be a free agent if he so chose, but Kansas City gave him the big bucks. \r\n

The thing for Gonzalez this year is that he focus not on receptions, but catching the ball in the red zone, and for touchdowns. Hey, he could have gone to the Colts or Patriots last year and he still would not have been a Super Bowl winner.\r\n

Michael Ash: Gonzalez has made it clear in various interviews that he wants to win a Super Bowl before he retires, but he had to see the writing on the wall when he re-signed with the Chiefs. The quarterback situation was up in the air, the offensive line was on the way down, so he had to know that the next few seasons would be rough. Knowing that, I can't imagine he regrets it too much. \r\n

C.E. Wendler: This might sound sappy, but I believe Tony Gonzalez has come to love Kansas City and his role in the professional sports scene here so much, he was perfectly happy to collect another huge payday and remain a Kansas City Chief.\r\n

Will he regret not winning a championship if the Chiefs fail to do so before he retires? Sure, anyone would, but many great players retire without rings – Dan Marino, Eric Dickerson, etc. No individual is entitled to a championship, and I'm sure Gonzalez knows that. \r\n\r\n


Which Chief has the biggest mean streak?\r\n

Nick: My answer might surprise you, as I think right now it's defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey. He's all business on the field and I love the way he attacks double teams. He's been relentless through the OTA sessions and I can't wait until the bullets fly for real. Dorsey gets after his own players in the huddle, and that tells me he's a leader. \r\n

Michael Ash: A year ago the runaway answer would have been Kyle Turley, but he's not on the roster anymore. Will Svitek is a natural choice, considering he used to get in fights at training camp on an almost daily basis. And I certainly wouldn't give any dirty looks to Larry Johnson or Brian Waters.\r\n

But my answer: Jean-Philippe Darche. If you're walking down the street one night and see him heading your way, don't look him in the eye. Don't make any sudden movements. Just lower your head, hold your breath, and hope that he walks on past. \r\n

C.E. Wendler: Larry Johnson. He has plenty to prove this year, and he knows it. I suspect we'll see plenty of angry running from him as the chip on his shoulder is as big as ever with two young, hungry running backs behind him. Did I mention Fantasy Football publications are lowballing LJ in the running-back rankings almost across the board? Our own Fox Sports fantasy magazine had Johnson ranked eighth. \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n


If the Chiefs finish below .500 this year, do you see them picking up a quarterback in the first round next year? \r\n\r\n\r\n


What does Brodie Croyle's future hold?
Al Bello\r\n

\r\n\r\n\r\nNick Athan: If Brodie Croyle wins six or more games, I don't see the team drafting a quarterback in the first round, but I think they'd take one in the second round. We're going to debate Croyle the entire offseason and regular season, so I'll go out on the limb and say Croyle is a better quarterback than Atlanta's Matt Ryan. Call me crazy, but I think he'll win more games this year. Clark Hunt has already stated, however, that he wants the Chiefs to have a pair of young quarterbacks in the pipeline at all times.\r\n

Michael Ash: If they finish below .500 because of Brodie Croyle, sure. He has to prove this season that he's capable of being a starting NFL quarterback. But if the team's struggles are unrelated to his play, I don't think they'll look to replace him unless they feel they have a shot at drafting a franchise-level player. \r\n

And it's important to remember the other side of that coin, too. Even if the Chiefs want to draft a quarterback in the first round next year, it doesn't mean one will be worth taking when they pick. \r\n

C.E. Wendler: No. For better or for worse, I think Herm Edwards has hitched his wagon to Brodie Croyle. He'll get at least this year and next to prove himself, because he won't be Ryan-Leaf bad this year – he wasn't last year, after all.\r\n\r\n


Out of Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, Brodie Croyle, and Jarrad Page, who do you see having the best season?\r\n

Nick Athan: I'd say it's a tie between Johnson and Hali. Both will be helped by the improved surrounding cast. Johnson is entering his fourth season in the league and appears to be someone who is ready to take charge. After talking to him this offseason and watching him through OTAs, he just looks like a better player who might reach his All-Pro potential.\r\n

Hali will improve by going up against rookie tackle Branden Albert. From their first snap against each other until the end of OTAs – Albert's injury set aside - Hali was impressive. Remember, he played hurt the last 12 games of 2007.\r\n

Michael Ash: Derrick Johnson, no question. That's probably an easy answer since he's been consistently better than the other three options, but I see DJ having one of the best seasons of anyone on the team. Things are falling into place for him to have a big year. \r\n

From the arrival of Glenn Dorsey (who will help keep offensive linemen off the linebackers), to Gunther Cunningham taking over as the linebackers coach, to the young corners, who will be able to cover receivers man-to-man and let the defense be more aggressive, it all works in DJ's favor. \r\nI'm not saying he'll make the Pro Bowl, as it would take a monster season for a 4-3 ‘backer to get noticed in the AFC. But I expect him to be worthy of making it there.\r\n

C.E. Wendler: Hali, simply because he'll be playing right next to Dorsey. He won't see a double-team all year. Some are skeptical of Hali's move to right defensive end, but he's played there before. When Jared Allen was suspended for the first two games last year, Hali played some snaps at his position. We've also seen Hali come bursting off the right side in Gunther's \"Falcon\" defense.\r\n

I expect we'll see Hali and Dorsey stunt quite a bit. The Titans utilized Kyle Vanden Bosch and Albert Haynesworth in this manner last season with great success. It's funny how Vanden Bosch's career took off when he finally got to play with a tackle like Haynesworth. \r\n\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n


Jeff Webb has shown \"flashes\" of what it takes to be an NFL wide receiver, but if Will Franklin has a great camp and preseason, what are his chances of starting, and what do you see him bringing to the team? \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n


Will Jeff Webb win KC's #2 WR spot?
Tim Umphrey\r\n

\r\n\r\nNick: I'm just not sold on Jeff Webb and he'll be tested in River Falls. He may be Herm's guy but it'll be Chan Gailey that determines if he's worthy of playing ahead of Darling or Franklin. To me Franklin has the most upside of the three and if one of them doesn't step up this offense is going to be shaky. \r\n

Webb will get his chance, but he has to be productive early on if he's going to get any playing time. Heck, we haven't even mentioned Bobby Sippio, who has better\r\nhands than Webb. Should be a fun position to watch.\r\n

Michael Ash: Last week I listed Franklin as the opening day starter, which I based mostly on a recent comment from Herm Edwrds, where he said that if two players are tied, he wants the younger one to play. Obviously that's a quote with some wiggle room to it, as Darling and Webb would be considered young players on most rosters. But as long as Franklin remains in the hunt, I think he has a great chance to end up being the starter. \r\n

As for what Franklin would bring, he was drafted for his speed. He's a bigger receiver, which Herm likes, but he has the ability to stretch the field and open up room underneath for Bowe and Gonzalez. \r\n

C.E. Wendler: I don't think Herm Edwards is afraid to play rookies, and I don't think he'll favor Jeff Webb over anyone else to the detriment of the team. That's a Dick Vermeil trait, not a Herm Edwards trait. As for Franklin's chances of starting, I'm still skeptical, no matter how great he was in OTAs. That's because offseason workouts don't compare to real NFL games, or even preseason games for that matter. \r\n

If Franklin can actually fight through press coverage, get off the line consistently, and run routes in the middle of the field while linebackers try to take his head off, then yeah, he's probably got a good shot at opening up the field with that 4.3 speed. But that's a huge \"if.\" Most rookie wide receivers struggle with the physical aspect of the game while still trying to get the mental part down. The smart money is still on Devard Darling. \r\n
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