It's a little early to know if he's our franchise QB for the future yet. But he sure looked good today. And to think that I was disappointed that they wasted a pick on him this last draft. Boy was I wrong, and I couldn't be happier about it. Kid shows improvement every week. And his composure on the field is a refreshing change from the Mike Vick circus that I've been suffering through for the last 2 seasons. Great game by the rookie today. Hope it continues.
Foles has playing well behind a line where King Dunlap is playing blind-side protector and Dallas Reynolds is calling the protections. That's impressive. Looking forward to seeing what Foles can do once the OL is healthy.
And Thursday will be a good test, short week and I know the Bengals have a good D despite coming off a loss today.
TrojanEagle446 wrote: Foles has playing well behind a line where King Dunlap is playing blind-side protector and Dallas Reynolds is calling the protections. That's impressive. Looking forward to seeing what Foles can do once the OL is healthy.
And Thursday will be a good test, short week and I know the Bengals have a good D despite coming off a loss today.
Not only that, but without Shady, DJax and Celek. Plus we only had 33 yds rushing today, and Foles had 27 of 'em himself. This was his win. Ever notice how much smoother the O seems to look with Foles behind the line instead of Vick, in spite of the patchwork OL?
Nick Foles drew up the 4th-and-5 play with 16 seconds left in the game that gave the Eagles a 22-yard gain before the game-winning touchdown. (USA Today Images)
TAMPA, Fla. – The Eagles’ offensive playbook is huge. Massive. Endless, almost.
There’s one play that’s not in it. And that’s the one that went for 22 yards on 4th-and-5 with 16 seconds in the game left Sunday.
The Eagles trailed the Buccaneers by five points and faced fourth down on the Buccaneers’ 23-yard-line with no timeouts remaining.
So Foles dropped back and found Jason Avant for 22 yards down the middle to set up his game-winning touchdown a moment later to Jeremy Maclin.
On a play that doesn’t exist.
“We don’t have that play,” Avant said. “He made it up.”
So not only did Foles throw for an Eagles rookie-record 381 yards and two touchdowns, not only did he rally the Eagles from 11 points down with four minutes left to a 23-21 miracle win over the Buccaneers in his fourth NFL start, he drew up one of the biggest plays of the game figuratively in the dirt (see Instant Replay).
“A little schoolyard,” Foles said with a shrug.
A little schoolyard? Seriously? At that moment?
“We don’t exactly have it in the playbook,” offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg said. “We do, but it’s two different plays, and he combined them.”
Basically, Foles told Avant to run a post instead of a crossing route against two-deep coverage.
“It’s a route I normally don’t run and we got it, so it was just a great job by Nick,” Avant said. “It wasn’t something we had, but we made it work.”
How can a 23-year-old quarterback who started his first NFL game 21 days ago have the presence of mind to do what Nick Foles just did?
On fourth down? With the game on the line? On the road? With 16 seconds left?
Who knows? But he did it.
“That’s just a quarterback knowing what’s going on and knowing that’s what the defense was giving us,” said Jeremy Maclin, who like Avant surpassed 100 yards Sunday. “He saw what they were doing and just came up with something he thought would work against it.”
Avant said he wasn’t sure whether Foles or Mornhinweg came up with the play. Mornhingweg said it was all Foles.
yankeeboy1046 wrote: He is looking like the player we thought he was during preseason. Behind that terrible OL and a good Bucs D. That was his game.
I'm a believer, and I was initially against signing him and Edwards. I don't remember ever being so happy to be wrong before. The O just seems to run so much smoother with him at QB than it did with Vick back there. Doesn't seem so erratic. He just doesn't seem to have as many problems behind the line as Vick did. Same as in preseason. I'm wondering if we wouldn't still be in the running for a playoff spot if we'd started him instead of Vick in the first place. We're scoring a lot more points since Foles took over. And Vick was playing with Shady, DJax, Celek and all the starting OL except Peters in the lineup. The D was also playing a lot better at the start of the season. Things might be a lot different for us right now if we'd gone with Foles instead of Vick.
I agree that the kid has done a good job since coming in. He has done a much better job of reading the defense and making adjustments at the line. I know he has done well even with the OL issues, but I don't know how much different things would be if we had started him from the get go. Granted it would have been nice to see what he could do with Shady, Jax and Celek, but realistically do you think Andy and Morning would have used the ground game "from the get go" as much as they have the past couple weeks. I believe they would have used Foles, and still been a 70- 30 passing team, and he wouldn't have been as successful as he has the past couple weeks.
Very impressive job by Foles. It looked like Tampa Bay game-planned to stop Bryce Brown, and understandably so, but doesn't impact the last couple drives, when you're expecting the pass. The offensive line did their best to get him killed, but he really hung in there admirably. Draft position notwithstanding, it was great to see Foles get a deserved win under his belt.
Foles seems to handle pressure a lot better than Vick. Everybody knows that the way to beat Vick is to blitz him and keep the pressure on him. It doesn't to seem to be as effective against Foles. Vick gets rattled and doesn't read it or go through his progressions very well. His first reaction seems to be to take off out of the pocket and run. Foles plays with a lot more composure. Goes through his progressions and keeps his eyes downfield. He really plays more like the vet than Vick does.
incidentally, Eli's rookie year he played about half the games and had QBR of about 55. Foles rookie season has been so much better than Elis...Foles could actually wind up with a rookie season QBR equal to or greater than Manning's career QBR....
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TheOrigionalEaglesRule wrote: incidentally, Eli's rookie year he played about half the games and had QBR of about 55. Foles rookie season has been so much better than Elis...Foles could actually wind up with a rookie season QBR equal to or greater than Manning's career QBR....
There were times during the game on Sunday when I had to remind myself that he was only a rookie with 4 games of NFL experience. Have to try to keep expectations low because he is just a rookie, in spite of the promising start to his career. Big test Thursday. Short week. Against a good team. With a real tough D. If he plays well, I'll forget about my wish for Geno Smith or Matt Barkley in the draft.
Nick Foles connected on 32 of 51 passes for 381 yards and two passing touchdowns against the Bucs. (USA Today Images)
• In the first quarter on 3rd-and-5, Foles faced a five-man rush. He moved out of the pocket to his left and made an across-the-body throw to Riley Cooper for 16 yards. What caught Baldinger’s eye was that Foles led Cooper -- “threw it to a spot,” Baldinger said -- and did it accurately while moving to his left.
• With two minutes left in the first half, Foles and Jason Avant executed what is known as a scramble drill. Foles left the pocket to elude the rush. When Avant saw Foles scrambling, he broke his route and turned upfield. Foles hit him for a 39-yard gain.
• On the next play, the Eagles called a screen pass, but the Bucs read it all the way. The defense flowed with the intended receiver Dion Lewis and left the right side of the field open. Foles started to run and noticed two things: Maclin was open in the end zone but because the timing of the play broke down, tackle King Dunlap was across the line of scrimmage.
Foles knew if he threw the ball it would have resulted in a penalty (ineligible receiver downfield), so he kept the ball and ran it in for a touchdown. It was a very heady play by the rookie quarterback. (Credit Maclin with throwing a nice block).
• In the third quarter, Tampa dropped into a two-deep, man-under coverage. Four Bucs rushed and the other seven turned their backs and ran with various receivers. Foles read it and took advantage, tucking the ball away and running for 14 yards before smartly going into his “don’t-touch-me” slide.
“He has what I call ‘functional mobility,’” Baldinger said. “He moves just enough to make the play. It is more about what he has up here (tapping his head) than his legs.”
• On the next play, the Bucs sent another blitz. Foles avoided it by stepping up into the pocket. He also pulled the ball in and secured it with both hands. Once he was clear of the rush, Foles reloaded and fired a pass to Avant for 23 yards.
• Later in the quarter, Foles threw a quick pass to tight end Clay Harbor for a seven-yard gain. It doesn’t look like much in the stat sheet, but it proved once again the advantage of having a tall quarterback. On the film, Foles towered above the pass rush, looking
over the wall of linemen and throwing to Harbor on a quick slant.
“A shorter (quarterback) might not be able to make that throw,” Baldinger said. “He might not see the receiver or get the ball batted down. But a guy like Foles, who’s that tall with an over-the-top delivery, won’t have that problem.”
• On the final drive on 3rd-and-14, Foles again rolled away from the rush and hit Maclin for a 23-yard gain. It was almost identical to a play Foles made last week when he completed a pass to Avant while running to his left.
“The thing you see with Foles is his eyes are always down the field,” Baldinger said. “He is moving away from the pressure but he’s not looking at (the pressure). He is looking to make a play down the field.”
• After the fourth-down pass to Avant put the ball at the two-yard line -- a big-time throw down the seam -- Baldinger was impressed with how coolly Foles lined up the offense before he spiked the ball to stop the clock.
“Look how calm he is,” Baldinger said. “You’d expect a rookie to be flustered, looking at the clock, but he makes sure everyone is set and then spikes it. If he rushes it and the ball’s snapped before everyone is set it’s a penalty, a 10-second runoff and the game is over. You have to keep your cool. Just that alone (by Foles) is impressive.”
• And the winning pass to Maclin ...
“Sprint right option,” Baldinger said. “It’s one of the staples in the West Coast offense.”
Told that Foles suggested the call to Andy Reid and Marty Mornhinweg, Baldinger smiled.
Posted by Jimmy Kempski at 11:40:22 AM on December 10, 2012
At the 2012 NFL Combine, Nick Foles ran a 5.14 second 40 yard dash. Of the 14 quarterbacks that participated in that drill, Foles finished dead last. Yesterday against the Buccaneers, we saw Foles' complete lack of speed on his 10 yard TD run in the 2nd quarter. Foles' snail-like run prompted some funny reactions on Twitter, with these two being my personal favorites:
Nick Foles will never be mistaken for Michael Vick in terms of foot speed. However, foot speed should not be confused with mobility and pocket presence, which Foles displayed yesterday afternoon in Tampa. Let's look at 5 plays from yesterday's game when Foles did a good job evading pressure and making a play.....
What I like the most about Foles is that he plays like a QB unlike Vick, he make those short an easy throws that get an offense going and that our offense has been lacking with Vick, Vick is way to much all or nothing. Just hope Foles keep progressing he don't have to be the next Tom Brady, he just have to be a good NFL QB.
arpettho wrote: What I like the most about Foles is that he plays like a QB unlike Vick, he make those short an easy throws that get an offense going and that our offense has been lacking with Vick, Vick is way to much all or nothing. Just hope Foles keep progressing he don't have to be the next Tom Brady, he just have to be a good NFL QB.
Vick can't make those throws. He's not tall enough to see over the linemen. It's the reason that Vick has to use 5-7 step drop backs. Foles is a QB. Vick's a glorified RB. You can see the difference in the O since Foles took over. It doesn't look so erratic, in spite of the loss of so many of our starters. Same as in preseason. We should've started him from game 1. We might still be playing for something other than a higher draft pick now if we had.
Rookie QB rankings: Eagles' Nick Foles on top this week
Updated: Dec. 12, 2012 at 11:18 p.m.
Gregg Rosenthal watches every rookie quarterback snap and ranks them based on that week only.
I love writing this column because it forces me to closely watch some performances that I might have missed otherwise. The top performance this week was one of the most surprising showings of the season.
Remember, the rankings are based on this week only. There was not a close second place to Foles' effort in the Eagles' 23-21 win over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He showed very promising signs last week in Dallas, but this effort really will grab the attention of decision-makers in Philadelphia.
Foles' performance had some Andrew Luck-like characteristics. He absolutely was hammered by the Tampa Bay pass rush, but he kept firing. He showed terrific pocket movement to keep plays going. He made a number of "wow" throws on plays that looked over, especially on third down. He even scrambled for two key first downs and a touchdown. Foles had more passing yards (381) than the Eagles had total yards. Think about that.
Every week we analyze every player, on every play, of every game. So when we put forward our Team of the Week it’s more than just looking at which guys compiled the prettiest numbers.
It takes into account which quarterbacks made plays, and which ones let their receivers do all the work. Which defensive tackles stood up offensive linemen to redirect runners. Which cornerbacks were bailed out by dropped passes.
So with that in mind, enjoy our Team of Week 14.
Quarterback: Nick Foles, PHI (+6.1)
You read this right. You know Nick Foles, the guy who has looked pretty terrible so far. Well, this was Nick Foles the guy who could have a future in this league. He took more sacks than you’d like and still made some horrible throws, but he also made the kind of plays that make him an intriguing guy going forward. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/12/11/p ff-team-of-week-14/
Nick Foles' quarterback rating was 85.0 or higher in five of seven games. (USA Today Images)
How does Nick Foles stack up against other rookie quarterbacks throughout NFL history?
The numbers might surprise you.
Now that Foles’ season has ended one game prematurely, thanks to a hairline fracture in his right (throwing) hand, we can try to put his passing numbers in context.
Foles started six games and played in seven overall in relief of Michael Vick, and not only did he break most Eagles rookie passing records despite playing less than half a season, his numbers stack up pretty well against most rookies in NFL history.
The final numbers: Foles completed 161 of 265 pass attempts (60.8 percent) for 1,699 yards with six touchdowns and five interceptions.
What does it all mean? Welcome to Nick Foles By the Numbers!
• Of the 116 quarterbacks in NFL history who threw 200 or more passes as rookies, Foles’ 60.8 completion percentage is fifth-highest, behind only Ben Roethlisberger of the Steelers in 2004 (66.44 percent), Robert Griffin III of the Redskins (66.40 percent) so far this year, Russell Wilson of the Seahawks (63.4 percent) so far this year and Matt Ryan of the Falcons in 2008 (61.1 percent).
• With just five interceptions in 265 pass attempts, Foles averaged one interception every 53 pass attempts. That’s the second-best figure in NFL history by a rookie, behind only RG3’s one INT every 63 pass attempts. Griffin would probably have to be picked off at least three times by the Cowboys Sunday for Foles to pass him for the best interception ratio in NFL history by a rookie quarterback.
• Foles' average of 243 passing yards per game is third-highest in NFL history by a rookie, behind only another current rookie, Andrew Luck (279) and a rookie last year, Cam Newton of the Panthers (253).
• Foles' 60.8 completion percentage is fourth-best in Eagles history, again based on a minimum of 200 pass attempts. The only more accurate seasons were turned in by Donovan McNabb (64.0 percent in 2004, 61.5 percent in 2007) and Michael Vick (62.6 percent in 2010).
• Foles’ 1,699 passing yards are the second-most in NFL history by a quarterback who played seven or fewer games. Brian Griese threw for 1,803 in seven games for the Bears in 2007.
• Foles is only the third rookie QB in NFL history to throw for more than 1,600 yards with five or fewer interceptions. The others are Hall of Famer Otto Graham (1,834 yards, five interceptions) for the Browns in 1946 and, once again, RG3 so far this year.
• Foles is the first rookie in history with two games of 340 or more passing yards and a 62 percent completion percentage. Jeff Garcia had two such games for the 49ers in 1999, but because he had played in the CFL, he wasn’t technically a rookie.
• In just six starts, Foles had four games in which he completed at least 65 percent of his passes (on 20 or more attempts). Only eight rookies have had more such games in an entire season.
• Foles is the second rookie in history with two games of 340 or more passing yards within his first seven starts. Newton did it last year.
• Foles is only the 17th quarterback in NFL history to have a season with at least 250 pass attempts, a completion percentage of at least 60 percent and five or fewer interceptions.
• From 1933 through 2011, there were only five games in which a rookie quarterback had a passer rating of 85 in a game for the Eagles (with 20 or more attempts). One each by 1987 replacement QB Scott Tinsley, plus one by Koy Detmer, Donovan McNabb, Mike Boryla and John Reaves. This year alone, Foles had five such games in just seven appearances.
• Foles had three games in six starts with 45 or more pass attempts. Only Luck (six games) has had more games as a rookie in NFL history with 45 or more pass attempts.
• Foles’ 265 pass attempts are the most in NFL history by a quarterback playing seven or fewer games. The previous high was Griese’s 262 in 2007 and Steve Grogan’s 261 in 1989.
yankeeboy1046 wrote: Remember he is playing behind a bad OL. And he is a rookie. He should be OK depending on who runs the show next season.
It's even more impressive than that. At one point the only starter left on O for Foles was Evan Mathis. Vick had everybody except Peters at the start of the season. And our D was playing a lot better (ranked #5 at one point). He's definitely been doing a lot more with a lot less than Vick was. We should've started him from the beginning. Both he and Edwards looked better than Vick in preseason. I guess with his job on the line Andy didn't want to take the chance on the rookie.