In 1958, the Green Bay Packers went 1-10-1. In 2005, they went 4-12.
In 1959, the Pack went 7-5. In 2006, they went 8-8.
In 1960, the regular season record was 8-4. In 2007, the regular season record is 8-1 so far.
In 1960, the Packers lost in the Championship game to the Eagles.
Will the 2007 team make it at least that far?
What are the similarities between the two teams? What are the differences?
One stark difference is at quarterback. The current version of the Packers has Brett Favre. The team from 47 years ago, had not decided on Bart Starr as QB. He alternated with Lamar McHan for those two seasons. In 1959 and 1960, McHan started at least 11 games. It was not until 1961 that Starr was the unquestioned starter and leader.
November 11, 2007
Pile on the Vikings
The Packers did just about everything right as they took it to Minnesota. The Vikings are not a powerhouse team and might have quit on their coach after the Troy Williamson paycheck kerfuffle. I would not bet the house on it, but I do not see Brad Childress coming back next year as head coach.
Regardless, it was an impressive win because of how the Packers won. In almost every game this year, it has either come down to the last few minutes or the Packers have gotten a break to get the win. Not on Sunday. They pounded the Vikes on all sides of the ball. The Vikes ran 44 offensive plays to the Packers 80. The Packers held the ball for more than 40 minutes. It was the only time in the history of the matchup that the Vikings were shut out and the largest margin of victory for the Packers in all the times they have played.
They ran the ball well. Ryan Grant had his second hundred yard rushing game is three weeks. It was the first hundred yard effort against the Vikings defense all year.
The offensive line, especially the guards, played very well, considering the scrutiny they were under after a sub par effort last week in KC.
They did not turn the ball over.
They converted on third down.
They controlled the clock with long drives and fourth down conversions.
They almost eliminated the stupid penalties that had been haunting them. They only committed four infractions and none really hurt them.
The defense kept rookie running back Adrian Peterson in check, eventually knocking him out of the game due to injury.
At the end of the third quarter, the Vikings only had around 100 yards total offense. By then the game was effectively over.
About the only negative thing you can say about this game is that they beat a really bad team. A team that started Brooks Bollinger at quarterback for pete's sake. In fact, with the exception of Eli Manning and Philip Rivers, I would say that the Packers have not beat a team with a quarterback who would be ranked in the top half of the league. Manning and the Giants were in disarray when the Packers played them and Rivers and the Chargers suffer from Norv Turner disease. Donovan McNabb might have been in the top half at one point, but no longer. Jason Campbell and Jay Cutler might be there some day but not yet. Kelly Holcomb, Brian Griese and Damon Huard are journeyman.
And looking ahead to next week, they will get more of the same as Vinny Testaverde, or David Carr or some other guy will start for the Panthers. Vinny was a player once, but not sure he can still do it. Green Bay needs to make sure that they do not get caught looking past Carolina towards the matchup with Detroit on Thanksgiving. It is a classic trap game.
I would never want to look beyond next week's opponent or even the week after. But I hope the Packers keep winning because I am looking forward to that game against the Cowboys. My dad is scheduled to flip the coin before the game with Tom Landry's son. It will be some kind of rematch of the Ice Bowl with my dad and Landry Junior standing in for their famous fathers. Hopefully you have the NFL Network so you can see it.
November 11, 2007
Best in the NFC
The Cowboys, Giants and Lions are the the other teams that wll challenge the Packers for supremacy in the NFC. I do not think any of these teams are in the same league as the Patriots, Colts and maybe the Steelers.
How do the Packers stack up to Dallas, NY and Detroit?
I will never be convinced that the Lions can take the Packers until they do. They have been too bad for too long for me to suspend my disbelief for even a minute. As for the Giants, the Packers handled them pretty easily in Week Two, but the Giants are a different team since then. And as for the Cowboys, I think they are good but overrated.
I watched the Giants-Dallas game after the Packers game and I see no reason why the Packers cannot beat both of them. They are both talented, but they are beatable. There is ample reason to think that the Packers have as good a chance as anyone to be the sacrificial lamb for the Patriots in the Super Bowl.
I saw Ron Kramer on Saturday. He was in Green Bay to sign his new book. You can find it on Amazon.com:
I have not read it, but if it is anywhere close to as entertaining as Ron is in person, it will be a great book.
November 11, 2007
Packer President Search
Take a look at this article in the Milwaukee Paper and then come back to read my comments and analysis.
None of this is surprising to me. Let us go back to an article I wrote a few months ago. Let me quote. These quotes are from my submitted version, I do not know if they were edited and changed.
Concerning Bob Harlan's participation in the process:
3. I do not think Bob Harlan will have one ounce of input into this decision. His last three major appointments have not set the world on fire. Mike Sherman as GM and John Jones as his successor have been utter failures. Ted Thompson as GM has not proven itself yet and is still a work in progress. Harlan will be given a prominent PR role, but I would be surprised if his counsel is taken seriously.
As for the rest of the Journal Sentinel article, I will step aside and let my earlier writing speak for itself:
There are members of the Packer Board of Directors who feel that the team should hire a President who has Green Bay ties. They want to go back to the age when a local businessman ran the team. They want to keep it in house so to speak.
Much of this is motivated by ego. Some of those same people want the job for themselves. The other side is power. If an outsider comes in and takes the job, these men will potentially lose their influence. Anyone worthy of the job will more than likely demand the authority to run the team as they see fit. Anyone who does not seek the power is probably not up to the task. Do you see the contradiction? The days of Vince Lombardi bossing the Board Members around are long gone. Is it any coincidence that when the person running the football side of the team is stronger than the Board, the team wins and when the Board meddles, the team loses?
There are other members of the Board who realize that a person with sizable experience in the NFL must be chosen. It is necessary in today's NFL. That was supposedly John Jones' strength, but it turned out he was never up to the job. Bob Harlan has been an amazing spokesman for this team and the person who replaces him must also have that ability. But they must be more than that. They must be experienced and knowledgeable about the league. The days of running the team out of a cigar box in a back room of the local newspaper are long gone.
There is middle ground though. They could appoint someone with ties to the area as President: someone with the understanding of Green Bay and its place in the community. Someone who is good in front of a microphone. Then find a person with League connections to be Chief Operating Officer. It could work if the COO is squared away, humble and the President defers to him on most issues, especially those related to football. The question is where does that leave Ted Thompson?
Once this internal squabble is settled, then they can go looking for the right person. If the decision is made to appoint a local person, then Attorney Tom Olejniczak and Larry Weyers, both board members, are considered possible candidates. If the faction looking to find someone with NFL Experience succeeds, then the number one candidate is Titans' GM and former Packer Exec Mike Reinfeldt. He has local ties and has been gainfully employed in the league for a long time. Assuming there is no bad blood left over since his departure for Seattle with Mike Holmgren, I would guess that it is his job to lose - if he wants it. Jason Wied may get the job if he can convince enough Board Members that he is up to it. He is a safe choice. A person with local ties, who has been working in the league. A good compromise choice. I could see some Board Members thinking they could control him. His weakness is his age and his lack of experience with anything football related. Odds are he will have the job someday, maybe after Reinfeldt.
If the decision is to appoint a local person and find a COO, there are many people qualified, but I am not sure any of them would like the arrangement. They all want to run the show at some date. Do they leave their current job which might be comparable for something unknown? Does this person have authority over Ted Thompson? Can this person hire and fire the GM and/or Head Coach? Without that authority, I am not sure that anyone who takes the job has the necessary ability to make it work.
Once it all shakes out, it will be imperative that the person who gets the title has to be someone who knows the game. The future of a team is wholly dependent on its on-field product. A winning football team is vital for the organization to thrive. There are too many decisions that need to be made in the near future that will impact the team for years to come. The new president will have to face life after Brett Favre and will need a GM and Head Coach who can whether the storm. That is a decision best left to a football guy, not a lawyer, banker, realtor or car salesman. The new Packer President will have to assume all of those roles but more importantly he has to be able to field a team that wins football games. Everything depends on a winning football team. And the next president had better be able to make that happen.
Since I wrote this I have begun to believe that Reinfeldt will not get the job. I am not sure the Titans will release him. A while back I heard that the leaders for the job are Tom Olejniczak and Dolphins President Bryan Wiedmeier. Nothing has changed on that respect. My gut tells me that that they will go in-house. They are not prepared to secede that authority to an outsider. Harlan has publically trumpeted the need to a football guy and since he has been sidelined, it only makes me think that a local guy is going to get it. That way the Executive Committee can run the thing as they see fit.
November 7, 2007
I hate to plug a competing website, but head over to Sports Illustrated online and check out their rankings of NFL Stadiums and which are the best experiences. Lambeau Field is number 1, which surprises nobody. Lambeau and the Packers got a total of 54 points out of a possible 70.
The categories are tickets, food and souvenirs, accessability, tailgating, the team, stadium atmosphere, and the surrounding neighborhood.
They were strong in everything but neighborhood (five of 10) and accessability (four of 10). I actually have never had a problem parking at a Packer game and find it pretty easy to navigate, but I suppose if you are not used to going to a game, like a SI reporter, it can be confusing.
As for the neighborhood, that is one of the things that I find endearing about the Packers. Lambeau backs up to houses and even though there are businesses and bars sprinkled about, it is actually part of the neighborhood as opposed to some other places which are out in the middle of nowhere or downtown. Anyway, check it out, it is fun to compare and constrast.
The next three, the Steelers, Browns and Lions, must have improved their facilities, because there is no way that their old stadiums would have made the list. Three Rivers was OK, but generic and stale. Cleveland's old stadium was a baseball field with the 50-yard line of the football field around first and third for a strange arrangement. The supposed best seats in the house were the farthest from the field. The Silverdome in Pontiac was as unappealing as they come.
Last on the list - The Jets at Giants Stadium. The Giants, who share Giants Stadium with the Jets are 25th. I guess the product on the field matters.
Other teams of note: Bears - 20th; Vikings - 31st
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